Early Draft Speculation

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In a season geared more towards the June entry draft than an April playoff berth, and with the World Junior Championships, the annual showcase of young hockey talent, stealing the hockey headlines as of late – at least in Canada, – it’s hard not to start dwelling on the possibilities available for the Maple Leafs when June rolls around. There are perhaps more imminent Leaf matters at hand in the form of the changes Brian Burke is expected to execute in the nearer few months, but I think I speak on behalf of all of Leaf Nation when I say last June, the time at which the Leafs welcomed Luke Schenn to the organization, was one of the most exciting and promising moments for the fanbase in recent times. This June will hopefully bring about similar jubilation and promise as Burke adds at least one more prized first-round pick to the fold of the re-building Maple Leafs.

The debate as to which position Burke should look to bolster with his first-rounder this summer is preliminarily underway over at Pension Plan Puppets, as Chemmy attempts to delude us into thinking we don’t need the second-coming (John Tavares) and that the pint-sized Ryan Ellis will shore up our defensive woes ;) . Kidding aside, in what appears to be a very deeply talented draft pool, there is definitely a disparity among fans as to which player’s just-the-thing for the Leafs’ future. After his transcendent performances for Canada thus far, Tavares in most books has gained a leg up on big Swedish blue-liner Victor Hedman for the right to be the projected 2009 number one/New York Islanders draft pick. It seems that the Leafs, while bad, are not bad enough to compete for the top two draft picks, unless pre-game soccer warm-ups continue to suspiciously take their toll. The choice between the consensus top two ’09 prospects appears to be the imbroglio of some other team’s brass. But Burke will nonetheless have a tough decision of his own to make: identifying which of the remaining, talented potential draftees is best suited to help lead this team to the distant promise land. Fortunately, he definitely won’t have a dearth of options to choose from.

In addition to the position debate, there’s another preamble that must be set before considering potential draft candidates. Is Burke only willing to draft players that fit his required characteristics of “pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence?” Additionally, is Burke xenophobic?

Burke has been quick to extinguish the notion that he’s anti-European, challenging those of the opinion that he’s a xenophobe to examine his draft record and prove it. One that argues in favour of Burke in this respect would be quick to point out that he worked concertedly to acquire the Blackhawks’ pick in order to procure both Daniel and Henrik Sedin, twins of Swedish nationality, back in 1999. Studying it a bit further, Burke has presided over a total of seven drafts in his career as a general manager, selecting 41 North Americans and 21 Europeans in those drafts. That stat alone would seem to affirm Burke’s counterargument, as 21/62 is proportional to the number of Europeans currently skating in the NHL (29%). But, apart from the Sedin twins in ’99, Burke’s never drafted a European in the first round of an entry draft. Additionally, in his three seasons in Anaheim, Burke had, on average, an 18% European roster. There’s certainly something to be said about the fact that Burke left the Ducks with but two Europeans on the active roster (not including back-up ‘tender Jonas Hiller), one of which plays a very North American brand of game in Samuel Pahlsson. That said, we’ve seen in both his selection of the Sedins and his taking to Teemu Selanne that Burke does have a recognition of the value of a highly-skilled player, whether he’s North American or not. On the whole, though, I’d deem it likely that Burke will opt for a North American with a physical edge to his game, particularly if he rightly identifies a need for some added physicality on this Leafs team if they’re to fit his mandated profile of “pugnacity, testosterone, truculence and belligerence.”

Onto the position debate. On paper, this doesn’t take much deliberation: Burke needs to import top-line forwards, ASAP. But statistical trends of offense and defense belie that postulation. The Leafs, now without Sundin (who many, including myself, thought breathed most of the offense into this team directly and indirectly), are ninth overall in the goals-per-game category and tenth in power-play success. It’s defense that seems the main shortcoming for the Leafs, as the Buds sit 29th in both goals-against-per-game and penalty killing efficiency. This is the same trend as last year despite the aforementioned loss of the Leafs’ best offensive contributor and the addition of some own-zone help in the form of Jeff Finger, Luke Schenn and Jonas Frogren. But we’ve yet to see this current group play in front of consistently solid goaltending or anything even close, and based on what we’ve seen so far, that has had much more to do with this club’s defensive woes than the play of the defenseman themselves. Looking forward, Luke Schenn will only grow to be a stronger defensive force and his role will continue to expand, Wilson’s defensive system will continue to take root and, hopefully, a true number one goaltender will emerge be it Justin Pogge or a Burke acquisition. Undoubtedly, an additional defensive defenseman is needed within the system but should be an option Burke looks at with a pick in the subsequent rounds (or if he manages to acquire a late-first).

For the purposes of this exercise, let’s assume the Leafs sit 6th overall at the end of the season. Add up all of the above considerations, and the first name that comes to mind is Saskatchewan native Brayden Schenn, a centerman that has Brian Burke written all over him. He’s the complete package; a player that can do just about everything well, ala Mike Richards. He may not have the scoring knack of the other forwards in the top end of his draft class, but has finished efficiently by grinding the net and picking up re-bounds. Additionally, he supplements his skill with a belligerent trait, known to be an able body-checker and fighter. Like his older brother Luke, he’s got leadership moxie and size. Schenn exploded onto the WHL scene as a rookie, recording 71 points (28-43) in 66 games played. Schenn’s stock has fallen a little bit in his sophomore season, however, as he’s not really improved on his first-year numbers. He hasn’t quite competed statistically with the likes of Matt Duchene, Evander Kane, Nazem Kadri and Jordan Schroeder. Nonetheless, I think Schenn remains a very possible pick at 6th overall. Scouts look at a lot more than just stats, and Schenn offers plenty of intangibles that don’t show on the scoresheet (even though his numbers are still quite good). He’s a sure-fire NHLer and would be a key piece of the Western hockey-style system Burke and Wilson are attempting to usher in. Similarly, Evander Kane, a wizard with the puck, has a physical dimension to his game that may attract Burke.

May I make a case for Jordan Schroeder. He’s by no means physically intimidating, but most scouts will probably agree that he’s the pleasant surprise of the WJC tournament. He oozes offensive ability – owning a lethal release – and has amazing wheels. He’s also a three-zone player who brings it every shift. His size is a bit of an obstacle, but in every other respect he fits the profile of a Wilson and Burke system.

It would get even more interesting if the Leafs were to drop into the three-four range. Magnus Svensson-Paajarvi has the makings of a Markus Naslund type based on what I’ve seen at the WJC, with perhaps a bit more of a physical edge, but he doesn’t have an accomplished defensive game. Would Burke make his first first-round European selection since the Sedins if he were to have a shot at Paajarvi? His weak defensive game definitely gives me my doubts. Canadian Matt Duchene, while not an overly physical player either, is a more accomplished defensive player with similar offensive upside, and would probably win out.

I’m interested to know your guys’ thoughts.

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Alex Tran will check in tomorrow with Volume 2 of the Prospect Tracker.

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  • TML35

    Well Mizuno, things will change between now and the draft. And he doesn’t hate/dislike Europeans. I once wrote a blog on this very same topic, and I remember that the numbers between Euros drafted and NAs drafted were different at every place that he’d been. In Vancouver he drafted quite a bit Euros, more Euros than Americans I believe. In Anaheim he drafted less Euros. I’m sure it will be different this time around. He’ll draft players to fit our needs, not because “he doesn’t like Euros” What kind of businessman operates like that?

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  • Mizuno

    Oh and also i forgot to mention about Burke’s interview: “I also have a hard time getting guys to talk to me about the draft now.” Ladies and gentlemen, this indicates that we are very unlikely to get a first round pick from anyone. Hence, don’t expect Antropov or Kubina to fetch us a 1st round pick.

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  • Hockey_Guru

    Ouch Mizuno, when was this interview?

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  • TML35

    Mizuno I think you are \ really really off on this. in the same interview he said he needed to acquire more draft picks. I wouldn’t his words too seriously…things are never the way Lawyers like Burke make you think it is. He’s a smart man, and knows how to talk to the media.

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  • vesku35

    great blog and great discussion guys. alec, you nailed it about the anaheim comparison. the schenn bros are bringing lord’s stanley mug back to t.o.! :)

    watching jordan schroeder over the tourney made me wonder about him too. reminds me of st louis.

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  • Mizuno

    This interview is on TSN in the NHL section. TML35, i am not saying “for sure” Burke will follow what he said in interviews and such. I know this is really breaking Leafs fans’ hearts including myself, but i truly believe Burke is going in this direction.

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  • vesku35

    TML35 i think Burke meant the lower round picks fletcher stupidly moved

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  • Mizuno

    It sucks that we lost a 2nd, 3rd and 4th pick in this year. I mean whoever got our second (i think the 2nd was lost by the trade for Toskala to SanJose is it? Im not sure, and the 3rd or 4th from fletcher? not sure either), in any case, the teams are really lucky to have our second and third. I mean the draft is so friggin deep, I am having a boner right now.

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  • Hockey_Guru

    Well if he gets prospects like Voracek instead of 1st rounders I am just as happy.

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  • TML35

    I dunno there’s really no way of knowing what he meant. He could have very well been talking about 1sts, and 2nds..

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  • Mizuno

    Think about what the team with our second round pick can get considering we are sixth seed meaning “36th pick in this deep draft.” i mean second rounds are almost worth 1st rounders this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if Burke has trouble acquiring a second round pick.

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  • TML35

    I really would. There is a market for players like Antropov and Kaberle. Like the case in every draft, teams will be willing to move picks for players.

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  • http://admin Alec Brownscombe

    Schenn’s this draft’s Hodgson IMO, with a bit of added physicality.

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  • Hockey_Guru

    In all fairness, Mizuno, it would have been 37th. lol

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  • Daniel

    ya but first rounders from columbus r sick, and who we draft depends on prospects that we get at trade deadline day, but i would take kane over th swede, or schenn, but the american i would love to have

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  • Mizuno

    I speculate considering Burke’s spoken plans and the non-willingness of teams to give up draft picks that easily that
    a) Antropov will fetch a second at the trade deadline with Columbus or hopefully Voracek considering with recent rumors b/w Columbus and Leafs. Colombus needs a quality center.
    b) Kaberle and Kubina will not be moved unless Burke rejects what he said: “i will not approach Kaberle to waive his NTC.” Kaberle and Kubina will be moved in off-season. I have doubts Kubina and Kaberle will want to move their NTC clause, unless Burke is really convincing.
    c) Above average players will be moved like MVR, White and Blake. MVR can fetch us a late 2nd round pick, white can possibly fetch us a fourth, Blake may fetch us another 3rd.
    d) Moore will stay put because I believe he fits into Burke’s philosophies of “testosterone, pugnacity and beligerence.” He’s hardworking and does the gritty stuff plus provide a bit of offence. He definetely is a bottom 6 forward. Remember Burke said: “Bottom 6 does all the plumber’s job like PK etc.”
    e) Grabovski, Schenn, Finger are staying put as he said before: “Schenn and grabovski are the real deal and Finger is a pretty good player.”
    f) Toskala will be moved for a decent prospect. He does seem big enough nor envisioned as top notch goalie for the leafs, although Wilson really loves him. Toskala is Wilson’s teacher’s pet sorta thing.
    g) Poni will be moved for a late 2nd round pick or perhaps a prospect that is physical that belongs in the bottom 6 lineups.
    h) Stajan is staying put, he is improving with RW’s style.

    Feel free to disagree with me or what not, but this is what I am speculating. You guys may think, I am underrating the players, but i am also considering the buyers’ sides of what’s fair or not as well. I truly believe this is what you need to do, stockpile them draft picks because we are very low in propspects and depth right now. Now, fill in the picture with what is left.

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  • Hockey_Guru

    Thank god you said feel free to disagree cause I am gonna rip this thing apart…

    Antropov a 2nd round??? not a chance… if we don’t get atleast a 1st round for him he doesn’t move. Better to try and resign him than ship him away waay undervalued.

    I didn’t think anybody actually beleives Burke when he says these types of things… But maybe he’s right… he won’t ask them to waive… he will tell them to waive and let them know in the summers to come they don’t have a say where they go and it will not be a fun time.

    You must be insane to assume that Blake will fetch us more than Ian White will… I don’t think I even need to explain why.

    Stajan isn’t a big deal to move at this point. He does play a nice two way game but he is in no way a game breaker and isn’t nearly physical enough for Burke’s stly.e

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  • Mizuno

    Yo Hockey_Guru, you did not rip me apart that hard lol! Dude, you only disagree me with 2 pointers.

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  • Mizuno

    I guess everybody slept at this time, but i have 3 things to say:
    1) Guru, imagine you know a player in another team who has 13 goals and 17 assists right now (this is Antroprov’s stats as of now). Just take anyone for example. Would you really give up your first round pick considering he is not an ELITE SUPERSTAR. I would have to rethink deeply about what you just said. :D
    2) TML35, you are officially a HockeyBuzz and Leafs geek. I see you posting everytime in Hockeybuzz non-stop 24/7 lol!
    3) Don’t you Leafs Nation enjoying the best time of your life with the buds? You are now living the process and moment of a rebuild. I rather enjoy this curve rather than watching the Leafs win every game and stink in playoffs. Go Leafs Go!

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  • dan

    In the same Burke interview, he said that he will not likely make any trades until the deadline because that is when he will get the best return. He has offers from team’s but he is not going to pull the trigger because he doesn’t feel that the return value is where it should be. Whereas it will be much higher come the trade deadline.

    Burke didn’t say he’d have a problem acquiring draft picks, whether they be 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounders. He said that since he’s made a splash in the draft in previous years it is difficult to talk to other GM’s on DRAFT DAY. He was indicating that he will unlikely move-up in the draft, but said nothing about being able to stockpile draft picks. Actually, he said that his intended strategy IS to stockpile draft picks.

    And first rounders have been traded for less than superstar-valued players. Look at Mezsaros. TB overpaid for him because they were desperate for defense. How many teams planning to make a cup run will be desperate for secondary scoring come trade deadline? There will definitely be a market for a guy like Antropov. He is on pace for another 20-goal/50 point season, has tremendous size and is relatively young and cheap, teams will be ready to overpay to add him to their roster.

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  • alec

    schenn may not be the most appealing prospect in the draft in terms of providing sexy, highlight reel fodder but don’t underestimate the value of a Mike Richards type, it’s these complete players like getzlaf and brindamour that time and time again prove to be the backbone of any playoff success. You build your forward core around a guy like Schenn.

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  • daniel marois

    And lets not forget that Adam Foote went at last year’s trade deadline to the Coloado Avalanche for a first round pick. Yes, a FIRST round pick!

    Don’t get me wrong, Luke Schenn was a great pick-up for the Leafs organization but take a look at the forwards taken after Schenn:

    - Nikita Filatov by Columbus. Taken right after the Schenn pick. His speed and skill alone has the makings of a top-3 forward.

    - Colin Wilson by Nashville. Selected right after Filatov. His performance at this year’s WJC should already be turning some heads.

    - Cody Hodgson by Vancouver. Drafted at the #10 spot, the Canucks are thanking their lucky stars he slid that far in the first round. Ditto the comments about Colin Wilson. Hodgson could turn out to be a steal at the time he was selected, based on the other forwards taken after Stamkos.

    What I am getting to is, the Leafs are completely bare of any forward prospect who has the potential to be a top-3 high-impact forward. Don’t even get me started on Jiri Tlusty (Please read my comments about Tlusty in Alex Tran’s blog about Anton Stralman).

    Buds need to draft a foward with their first pick, without a doubt. Forget about Victor Hedman and Jared Cowan, we can always pick a d-man with our next pick. If the Leafs are drafting near the #10 spot or higher and Braydon Schenn is available, then so be it, draft him. But the Leafs cannot use the great PR they would attain by drafting Schenn to pass up talented forwards like Magnus Svensson-Paajarvi or Jordan Schroeder. Course that will ONLY be possible if the Leafs are drafting in the top 5 because I believe both of those players should be gone by then.

    I would love for Toronto to draft Ryan Ellis who would be the heir-apparent to Tomas Kaberle to QB the power-play (provided they have an additional first round pick to use in the #14-21 draft slots and of course Ellis is still avaialable).

    I will say this, as ridiculous as it sounds, the Leafs are certainly not out of the Tavares sweepstakes yet. Undoubtly, Burke is not going to have the ability to make this team tank far enough to 30th in the league. The Buds will have to legitmately do that themselves.

    They are only 8 points behind the Islanders (as of today) and losses to the Sens tonight and Florida next week, coupled with a Isles win here or there, and that gap drops to six (By the way, Atlanta won last night and are only 5 points behind Toronto). We are closing in on the half way point of the season and with another 41 games to go, if the gap can remain within 6 points between the Leafs and Isles, Toronto will be right there for the #1 draft spot.

    I will say this, after seeing Steven Stamkos languishing in Tampa Bay, how do you think Tavares feels about the prospect of playing in Long Island? Or even Atlanta and Tampa Bay for that matter. No doubt John Tavares is praying to the hockey gods to finally give the Leafs the break they need put themselves in a position for the #1 pick in this year’s draft.

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  • daniel marois

    Sorry, it was Garrett Bauman’s blog, not Alex Tran, about Stralman being called up. Wanted to clarify in case someone wanted to read my comments about how the Leafs royally screwed themselves from drafting better players then Tlusty :)

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  • JSGTPD

    If we have the sixth pick, what about flipping it to Tampa with say Jeremy Williams (if he still is playing well) for Stamkos?

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  • Garrett Bauman

    I think we should move past the talk of stockpiling 3 or 4 first round picks, which some Leafers think Burke can actually do.

    Sorry, but it’s a deep draft and other teams are just as excited about it as we are, guys. Those first-rounders won’t be moved for just anything. Antropov this season is playing as though he may be worth a first, but a rival GM will look at his history, not just this season, in making that determination. Toskala hasn’t done anything to warrant a first either … he was hot over a 2 month span last season and that’s it. Sorry fellas but a 2 month hot streak does not get you a 1st round pick.

    So let’s put the focus where it’s a bit more realistic: 2nd rounders. This is not a bad thing.

    Antropov realistically could be traded straight up for either a young gun on a team looking for experience and size, or he could be moved for a 2nd round pick. Highly doubt you see a 1st for him, certainly not straight up … it would have to be Antropov + for something like that to happen. I’m sort of partial to Antropov + Tlusty for Voracek + 2nd, myself.

    Toskala might get us back that 4th rounder we gave up for him, at this point. If he gets hot, perhaps we can get back the 2nd rounder instead. But even that may be wishful thinking. Looking at his career stat lines, why would I as a GM trust him to be my #1 during the playoffs? And if I can’t do that, then why on earth would I move my top pick for him?

    Kubina and Kaberle will probably not waive, if the team continues to sit around the .500 mark. However, both can be dealt freely in the offseason, as I understand it. Which means draft-day dealings may be afoot.

    Kaberle could get this team another 1st rounder. That I won’t deny. Kubina will either get the Leafs a 2nd, or be used to move up in a round, if dealt at the draft. The only way Kubina nets the Leafs a 1st is if he waives at the deadline, and a team desperate to make the playoffs makes one those “deadline day panic deals” we all know and love.

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