To trade or not to trade

by on February 11, 2009 in Uncategorized - 38 Comments

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Most recent Leafs trade talk in the mainstream media centers largely around Pavel Kubina and Tomas Kaberle. Just about enough has been mentioned on those fronts; Brian Burke will not compromise in his return demands for either of his coveted blue-liners and it appears that only time will tell. Here are three other interesting to trade or not to trade scenarios:

Jason Blake – Will his surge in offensive production since a January 15th hat-trick against Paul Maurice’s Carolina Hurricanes persuade a playoff contender desperate for additional scoring down the stretch to bite and swallow that burdensome contract? If so, should the Leafs deal Blake when the return value seemingly won’t be great? Almost as impressive as his rebound so far in terms of offensive production (currently on 30 goal pace) is Blake’s +6 plus/minus rating on the worst defensive club in the league. If Blake continues his sizzling pace through the month of February there could well be a market out there for a player that Cliff Fletcher was willing to say was outright immovable last deadline. As is typically the case, Blake would garner more at the trade deadline than in the summer as clubs won’t have the free agency option available to bolster their scoring cast. Stanley cup hopefuls in need of some additional scoring help for the playoffs may very well come knocking without a whole lot of middle of the line offensive alternatives to choose from on the current market. One speculated suitor has been Minnesota, a team that by a clear margin scores the least of any current playoff club in the West. While they do in compensation allow the least goals of any Western club, some scoring help seems in order to put them over the top as a perennial playoff participant that’s failed to do post-season damage since their 2003 Conference final appearance. There’s also the hometown dynamic at play as Blake is a native of Moorhead, Minneapolis. Nonetheless, a potential move here would be largely contingent on the contract situation with Marian Graborik in terms of whether or not money and cap space needs to be available to lock him up before he walks to unrestricted free agency. Additionally, netminder Niklas Backstrom is due up for a contract before season’s end so these two factors could heavily hinder Minnesota’s ability to be buyers this trade deadline.

The question for Brian Burke and us Leaf fans centers around the return value. While Blake’s certainly turned on the offensive jets as of late, teams are not likely to sell the farm for a player that’s largely disappointed save for this recent upsurge. $4 million for a 30 goal, 60 point player (if that’s what he turns out being this year) is palatable. The fact that he’s signed to that figure until the age of 39 isn’t. If the return is just a mid-level draft pick, I’d be far more inclined to keep Blake aboard as someone who might be able to put the puck in the net during the next few re-building seasons with Nik Antropov and Tomas Kaberle, two chief offensive contributors, very possible trade candidates. Remember that whole “justifying the price of the ticket” thing? Blake’s responded well to Wilson’s approach and I don’t just say this because of his recent jump in production but because there’s also been a visible change in his demeanor and work ethic since day one of the season. I’d keep him, but on the condition that the following player stays, who seems to have played a major role in Blake’s offensive upwell:

Dominic Moore – The reason why Moore’s name has come up in rumour circles as of late is because, alongside Nik Antropov, he’s the most movable asset in the Leafs’ dressing room. At a 900K cap hit, Moore is the ideal playoff time pick-up. He’ll fit neatly under just about any team’s cap without too much difficulty and he very much plays the playoff brand of game, able to add valuable depth to a team that plans on embarking on a lengthy, grating playoff run. When the news broke about Burke submitting his “trade” list I was kind of surprised not to hear Moore’s name mentioned among those untouchable. He’s a coach’s dream and fits the Wilson and Burke marque to a tee. The reason why Moore appears available for the right price seems to be a name that was listed as untouchable, John Mitchell. Mitchell offers a similarly complete package and has been stranded on a line with two players that are really just hockey players by definition alone. The gameplan appears to be to provide Mitchell with more ice-time for development next season and that’s difficult to accomplish with Matt Stajan, Mikhail Grabovski and Dominic Moore ahead in the depth chart order among centermen. Mitchell looks like a very formidable up and coming third line pivot, rendering Moore to some degree expendable.

I understand the logic, but I don’t think the need to provide Mitchell with more ice-time is reason alone to deal Moore, unless Moore’s value is much higher than I expect it is. Moore’s 28 years old and seems primed to become a leader of this club when the time comes around for the Leafs to [hopefully] become competitive again. Moore’s not an offensive superstar by any stretch of the imagination but would provide a valuable leadership presence to a developing club. He excels in areas of the game that can be taught and learned – penalty killing, faceoffs, work rate, defensive responsibility, etc. We’ve yet to see Mitchell tested for any length of time in a heavier role nor do we know if Grabovski’s going to manifest the consistency needed to be a top 6 center. It seems premature to cut ties with perhaps the Leafs’ best all-around performer this season.

Does it make more sense (pun intended) to move Matt Stajan instead? Stajan seems to have come down to earth after a promising start in his new role of increased responsibility. An intangible to consider with Stajan is that he’s proactive in the community and seems primed to become a permanent alternative captain down the road.

Nik Antropov – Considered by many the likeliest Leaf trade candidate at the deadline as a very economical option that can bolster the attack of any playoff-bound team. His impending UFA status will hurt his trade value to some extent as he’s due for a pay raise come this summer, as will questions about the long-term sustainability of his knees should a team be looking for something beyond a rental situation. His value has been priced at “a solid prospect and/or a high draft pick” by The Fourth Period. Whether it’s “and” or “or” plays a big role in the decision making process in this blogger’s view. A high draft pick means a first rounder from a playoff team – therefore a lower first round pick. An organization is doing pretty well if a late first rounder turns out a 25-30 goal scorer. To me, what it all boils down to is whether or not Antropov can be re-signed at a reasonable ticket (in the $3.5 million range). It’s known that Antropov loves the city and the country, recently acquiring his Canadian citizenship. In my view, Antropov’s very much a keeper if he can be signed at a discount price. If not, take the pick and – hopefully – the prospect. Another factor to consider is the pair’s role in aiding the development of Mikhail Grabovski and Nik Kulemin.

Brian Burke didn’t appear to have this interest in retaining Antropov, or at least there was no discussion of a contract extension for some time after Burke’s arrival. That’s until Burke publicly denounced Antropov’s play this season on Monday afternoon, which could indicate many a number of things, the most plausible of which (in my view) is that Burke’s trying to eliminate worry that he’s attempting to execute a trade and retrieve scenario. He could be voicing such sentiments to set the record straight because he truly doesn’t want Antropov back, or it could be an attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of other GMs so that he can maximize his trade value and also re-sign him on July 1. What also supports the latter theory is that Antropov loves the city and the country and has said on a few occasions that he would like to stay put. Another theory floating about is that Burke’s attempting to drive down the re-sign asking price on Big Nik.

Interest from the Boston Bruins has been mentioned in rumour circles for some time and Columbus is another rumoured suitor that’s picking up steam as of late, with Jakub Voracek – a seventh overall pick in 2007 – being mentioned as a possible talking point.

Contingent upon any possible plans of re-signing Antropov in the off-season, would Alexei Ponikarovsky be headed out the door alongside Big Nik? Ponikarovsky is having a career season in terms of goals and points, so should the Leafs sell high or is Poni showing what he’s made of in a role of increased responsibility now that Sundin’s ruining the Canucks? It again seems to me that if the return is anything outside of a first round pick (which I don’t think it will be), the Leafs don’t stand to gain a whole lot. Now, if a Ponikarovsky-Antropov package deal can be arranged involving the likes of Columbus’ Voracek, then we might be talking.

Your thoughts, specifically on the situations of Blake, Moore/Stajan and Antropov/Ponikarovsky?

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  • RickyBobby

    PLEASE KEEP MOORE !!!!

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  • Bender17

    Williams is on waivers, really? Why, don’t get this one, seems like a mistake

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  • Wook

    I agree with you daniel marois. The cap does not allow the Leafs to create a team like those in the past with a flash. We must build from scratch. This Williams story is making me nervous, I hope we find out the underlying story sooner than later.

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    We’re all dancing with Mr. Brownscombe.
    He’s still knockin’ He won’t leave me alooooone …

    (Modified) GnR … I heard it last night.

    Good writing, dude…

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  • daniel marois

    I am sure someone from the organization will be on the radio today or tomorrow to explain what was the purpose behind waiving Williams.

    I know the two-headed monster of Burke-Nonis will do their best to net the best available picks and prospects for any Leaf trade.

    I just hope all this anticipation is all for not because other GMs out there do not feel trigger-happy on March 4th.

    But if Burke does not make any significant deals by the deadline, I am sure he will indicate that players like Kaberle and Kubina will be in play to be traded on the day of the draft.

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  • vesku35

    thanks for a great read.

    either keep both of blake and moore or trade both. like you, i don’t see any value out there that justifies trading them. both seem to work very well within wilson’s system. I vote KEEP

    antropov. in terms of what i’ve heard about his return value, it’s been all over the map. some have said first rounder and a mid level prospect. other’s just a first. dreger said maybe just a second, which shocked me. I would not deal him for a second but would for a first and certainly for a first+prospect.

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  • dan

    How was Williams able to bounce up and down between the AHL and the NHL before without going through waivers? He hasn’t played that many NHL games this season has he?

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  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com Alec Brownscombe

    It’s not the number of games played, dan, as he’s only played around 30 collectively. It’s that he’s now over 25 years of age and has been signed to an NHL contract for more than one year.

    I understand why Burke’s willing to risk this. Williams doesn’t quite fit either the top six skilled players or bottom six plumber categories. He’s not particularly fast or physical. But – personally – I think it’s far too soon to cut ties with one of few young players we have with natural offensive talent. He’s got those silent sniper qualities that could be lethal in the right situation.

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  • daniel marois

    I guess we will have to wait till tomorrow at noon to see if Williams is still Leaf property.

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  • dan

    I agree Alex,
    And I’ve heard that several others (Newbury, Bell, Ondrus) will also be going through waivers at some point this year.

    It seems like Burke is going to tear down the farm the same way he is in the big leagues. Even though those three mentioned above play with a mean streak

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  • Blair

    You trade Blake for what ever you can get for him. He’s helping his value at the moment, but don’t hang on to him just because the return isn’t great. I’d rather free up that cap space so a marquee player can be signed, like Nash. I have to admit I can picture Blake in a Wild uniform.

    Burke had better not trade Moore. I’d keep him over Stajan any day. Although right now I’d try to trade Grabovski. I enjoyed his play earlier this season but I don’t see him fitting on this team. He’d fit better on a team like Pittsburgh or Washington in my opinion.

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  • Scot Loucks

    I kinda feel bad about missing this discussion…..

    Good stuff.

    I really don’t understand why they would put Williams up for free on waivers. Since he has been injured couldn’t they have put him down for a reconditioning stint?

    Considering the fact that it was the grouping of Williams/Blake/Moore that got Blake moving I would have thought they would keep Williams around for a look see.

    Moore is a UFA this summer…. if there is interest he should be traded…. nothing stopping the Leafs from resigning him after July 1st. (and yes I do like his game). Blake? If they can trade him they should.

    Kaberle and Kubina have submitted lists to Burke as far as who they would go to if asked to waive their no trade. Maybe it’s better to hold onto them until after July 1st when Burke can trade them to any team he wants.

    The seriously positive thing about trading Antropov and Moore is that the Leafs will get worse. Mitchell will get more ice time and the Leafs will have a top 5 pick… guaranteed

    This Leaf fan is looking forward to seeing something he hasn’t seen in recent memory….. going into the trade deadline and knowing we aren’t out there buying an Owen Nolan… we are moving towards the future.

    Cheers

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