Playing The Odds

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As the Trade Deadline approaches, speculation will continue to grow over which Maple Leaf players may be moving on to new NHL destinations.

The following is my own personal estimation of the likelihood of regular roster players actually getting dealt, based upon contract status, playoff/stretch drive impact potential, comments from players/coaches/management, and of course the metaphorical smoke & fire (the amount of repetition in the rumour mills).   To quote the great Chazz Palminteri, “a rumour’s not a rumour that doesn’t die”.

Note: trade likelihoods are in reference to March 4th only, not the upcoming offseason.

NIK ANTROPOV
The big winger is by far the most likely candidate to be moved at the Trade Deadline, due primarily to his affordability and pending UFA status.   After having his game publically questioned by the coach and GM, Antropov has rebounded with a solid effort.    Burke will reportedly not move Antropov for less than the equivalent of a 1st round pick, but a playoff-desperate team in the 8-10 spot in the conference might be willing to pay the asking price, especially if size up front is a concern.

Pros: size, scoring touch, can play centre
Cons: limited playoff experience, not overly physical, pending UFA
Possible Return: 1st rd pick / prospect drafted in 1st rd / 2nd rd pick + prospect
Possible Destinations: Anaheim, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Washington
Likelihood of Being Traded: 90%.

JASON BLAKE
It’s been a rebound season for the speedy winger, who has played very well on a lacklustre squad.  But he is 34 years old, with 3 years remaining on his contract, at $4 million per season.   If Burke can find a team desperate for speed, veteran savvy, and/or struggling to meet the cap floor, there may be a deal to be had — but don’t bet on it.

Pros: Speed, experience, aggressive forechecking
Cons: 34 years old with 3 years remaining on his contract
Possible Return: 3rd or 4th rd pick (age and contract work against the team)
Possible Destinations: Atlanta, Los Angeles, Nashville
Likelihood Of Being Traded: 10%.

TOMAS KABERLE
Leaf fans are salivating over the potential return for one of the league’s top offensive rearguards.  The problem is, Kaberle has only suggested he would consider waiving his NTC, and Brian Burke has openly pondered the difficulty of replacing Kaberle’s skill set.  Ultimately, whether or not a trade happens will depend on whether Burke feels an offer is simply too good to pass up … and whether or not Kaberle wants to play for that team.

Pros: top offense-producing blueliner since the lockout, contract is a relative bargain
Cons: average in his own zone, not a physical player, wants to stay in East
Possible Return: 1st rd pick + top-rated prospect is the rumoured starting point for negotiations
Possible Desitinations: Boston, Buffalo, Montreal, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay
Likelihood of Being Traded: 50%

PAVEL KUBINA
He is the subject of many rumours, but he has been adamant in his refusal to waive his NTC.  Teams looking for veteran defenders, playoff experience, and a good point shot will without doubt be calling, but the ball remains squarely in Kubina’s court.  At this point, he is more likely to be dealt at the draft when his NTC expires, than at the trade deadline.

Pros: experience, hard right-handed shot on the powerplay
Cons: below average skater, prohibitive contract
Possible Return: 1st rd pick / 2nd rd pick + prospect
Possible Destinations: Buffalo, Carolina, Columbus, Vancouver
Likelihood of Being Traded: 25%

DOMINIC MOORE
A role player who has all the intangibles playoff-bound GMs are looking for: grit, speed, heart, defensive insticts, and playmaking ability.   The consummate third line centre, Moore may not be the most talented player, but is among the most dependable in all areas of the ice.   Look for Burke to try to trade Moore with the intent of re-signing him as a UFA next season.

Pros: Dependable, can fill a variety of roles (including wing), excellent on the PK
Cons: Would play a lesser role on deeper teams, is a pending UFA
Possible Return: 3rd or 4th rd pick (career role player)
Possible Destinations: Boston, Calgary, St. Louis, Washington
Likelihood of Being Traded: 75%

ALEXEI PONIKAROVSKI
The other big winger on the Maple Leafs is a model of inconsistency.  Poni has loads of talent, but rarely does he play a physical game, or use his size to create offensive chances.   If anybody needs a fresh start, it may be Poni, but is there a GM willing to take the risk that his coach can get through to him?

Pros: great size, strong on the puck, decent shot, affordable contract
Cons: tends to play on the perimeter as opposed to in traffic, effort has never been consistent
Possible Return: 3rd rd pick (too inconsistent to merit more)
Possible Destinations: Anaheim, Columbus, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh
Likelihood of Being Traded: 60%

MATT STAJAN
Stajan has had a breakout year, offensively, while maintaining his solid two-way play and leadership on and off the ice.   While he is not a player that will put a team over the top, he could be a solid complimentary player in both a secondary scoring and special teams role.  The question facing Burke is: how easily could he replace all the things Stajan does well?

Pros: playmaking insticts, defensive play, faceoffs, leadership, young & affordable
Cons: not overly physical, average scoring touch, no playoff experience
Possible Return: 2nd rd pick / 3rd rd pick + prospect
Possible Destinations: Columbus, Florida, St. Louis
Likelihood of Being Traded: 40%

VESA TOSKALA
After displaying several moments of brilliance last season, Toskala has looked as though he is on another planet for most of this campaign.  His reflexes are lightning-quick, but his focus has left much to be desired, especially when facing unscreened shots from the wing.    A team desperate in net may be willing to take a flyer on the off-chance that Toskala rediscovers his game with a better defensive unit in front of him. It is more likely that Burke will hang onto him in the hopes that he can sort his game out over the summer, to provide better trade value at next year’s deadline.

Pros: Quick glove, moves well in net, has started in the playoffs
Cons: Small, not very aggressive, loses focus easily
Possible Return: 3rd or 4th rd pick (poor play all but eliminates trade leverage)
Possible Destinations: Columbus, Detroit, St.Louis
Likelihood of Being Traded: 25%

MIKE VAN RYN
This year’s Mr.Infirmiry for the Maple Leafs has been a very effective player this season — when he has been in the lineup, that is.   Given the rate at which he has been injured this season, league interest will likely be minimal.   Expect Burke to hang onto Van Ryn in the hopes that a healthy campaign next season will increase his trade value.

Pros: Decent offensive instincts, good PP quarterback
Cons:
Can’t seem to stay healthy
Possible Return: mid-level prospect (too many injuries to command more value)
Possible Destinations: Ottawa, San Jose, Tampa Bay
Likelihood of Being Traded: 10%

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  • Garrett Bauman

    IMO Antropov, Poni and Moore will all likely be dealt. As for the other rumoured players, I am not too sure. Burke has been suggesting that while the Leafs are sellers, it will not be a fire sale — that is, he will not purge the roster for the sake of cleaning house.
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    If the offers are good, Burke will listen, and will certainly approach his NTC players if an offer comes in that is too good to refuse. But trading Kaberle and Kubina is ultimately not up to him; and those two players have made their feelings quite clear.
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    Bottom line, don’t expect a huge day of wheeling and dealing, lest you come away from the 4th feeling disheartened at Burke’s perceived lack of movement. Two, maybe three deals are all that I expect to see. I firmly believe the bulk of the changes to this roster will happen in the offseason when the two NTCs no longer apply, starting with the Entry Draft.

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  • vesku35

    awesome stuff from both you and alec.

    i’ve speculated to death on these topics, i just can’t wait to see how it plays out.

    for the record, i’m betting just antropov gets traded.

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  • http://admin Alec Brownscombe

    No way I would deal Moore…. sure, there’s the possibility of a gentleman’s agreement taking place, but things change, particularly if Moore realizes there’s greener pastures elsewhere after a playoff run with his new club. Not only has he been awesome himself but he’s consistently shown an ability to open doors for his line-mates to step up their own games. That’s such a valuable characteristic to have in a player especially during a youth movement… there’s no way I’d risk losing it.

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  • betterforsome

    Trade ‘em all. Trade ‘em all and let god sort it out.

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  • glgbill

    If Vesa only attracts a 3rd or 4th, we should keep him. This season is the first in which he’s been the de facto #1 and he clearly needs a little competition for ice time. It may or may not be Pogge, but I’ll go on record saying that Vesa will rebound to form next season — it’s a contract year we’ll most certainly have a better back-up. His trade value will be better in a year.

    I agree with most everything else, except for the chance the prices could still inflate (slightly) at the deadline. I’d interpret these values as ‘shop early and save’ prices, with a slight premium paid at the 11th hour. I also expect at least one deal to be done at least a few days before the deadline, if only to help minimize the number of simultaneous conversations.

    Great stuff as always…cheers!

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  • Garrett Bauman

    @glgbill:
    Definitely, that’s a possibility. It’s difficult to estimate trade return values on the best of day, for the exact reasons you mentioned. I always feel it is safer to estimate on the low end, to give at least a general idea of what the return may be. After all, nobody truly knows what the market for any of these players is, except for the GMs themselves.

    @Dan:
    If it’s true, I would seriously consider it … although I would be more inclined to ask for Blake Wheeler, instead of Colborne.

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  • Wook

    Do any of you gents know (for a fact) whether or not Kaberle’s NMC applies throughout the remainder of his contract? For example, if Kaberle doesn’t get dealt before the window closes in the summer and the Leafs happened to squeeze into the playoffs next season, what happens then? What about Kubina’s contract if he doesn’t get dealt before the deadline in the summer?

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  • Greg

    @ Dan – That’s realistic return for a player with the skillset of Tomas Kaberle. That’s definetly the type of deal Brian Burke would be satisfied with.

    @ Garrett – I agree about Blake Wheeler, as I believe he’ll develop into a better all-around player over time that Joe Colborne. Wheeler could slid into the second line, right winger spot alongside Brayden Schenn (yes, I want the Leafs to draft him).

    With just over 8 days and counting until NHL Trade Deadline ’09, I can see the speculation is heating up. I can’t wait until March 4th because the Maple Leafs organization, and it’s fans, has a lot to look forward too!!!

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  • taterchips

    With Kubina announcing that he won’t waive, I believe the likelihood that Kaberle moves increases. His current contract won’t be in play when the Leafs are ready to contend, which means his price goes up (substantially) or he tires of the scrutiny in Toronto. I believe Burke needs to leverage him for picks/prospects while the getting is good, and work on developing Kaberle 2.0 from within. And I don’t believe, with the tightness of the playoff race as it is, that the payoff will be better at the draft. Should be an interesting few days leading up to the deadline.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    @Troy:
    Don’t get me wrong, I’d be fine with Poni staying put. But I do think he is a likely trade candidate, as his lack of consistency is a cause for concern. He’s been in the league long enough that it is safe to suggest his develop has plateaued. Yes, he can get hot for stretches — but he disappears for equally strong stretches as well.
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    There comes a point where you need more from your players than stretches of 8 games where the player is a factor followed by 8 games where he is not. The point totals are misleading in that regard. However, you are correct that his plus/minus has been a nice surprise on a poor defensive squad.
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    If it were up to me, I would consider keeping him around for another season, but I have my doubts as to whether or not Burke sees him as a part of the lineup he would like to build.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    @Wook:
    To my knowledge, Kaberle’s contract works as follows.
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    On February 11, 2006 he signed a five year extension for 4.25 million per season. Some hockey writers felt this was a terrible overpayment at the time … how times do change.
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    The extension came into effect on July 1, 2006, or in essence it came into effect for the 2006-07 campaign. The contract runs out after the 2010-11 campaign.
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    The contract contained a fully-restricted No Movement Clause, effective for the first three years of the deal (06-07, 07-08, 08-09). The full NMC will expire immediately following the 2008-09 playoffs, and be replaced with a limited NMC which allows the Leafs to trade Kaberle during the 2009 and 2010 offseasons … but only if the team were to miss the playoffs during the previous season.
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    The limited NMC remains in place for the rest of the deal, as far as I am aware. Basically, Kaberle can be traded this offseason if the Leafs do not make the playoffs, and next offseason also if the Leafs do not make the playoffs in 2009-10. He cannot, however, be traded during the season at any point, unless he waives the NMC.

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  • Troy

    @Jordan
    You were right, 8m 2 years. I no longer trust nhlnumbers.com. hockeybuzz.com/cap-central seems to be a more accurate source.

    Garrett,

    I agree about Poni not being in Burke’s plans since, to fit his system, he would have to plan a much more physical game. Although, as far as the consistency, He would be a 3rd-4th line player, which doesn’t demand consistency like a 1st or 2nd liner would. At least not during the re-build.

    The point I’m trying to make is that if you can only get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him, if that, why not see if he can take his game to the next level by next trade deadline? With the added responsibility since Mats left, he has improved his two-way game. Perhaps in the year 12 months he can improve his consistency.

    P.S. Great post!

    P.S.S. How sweet would Kaberle for Derick Brassard, a pick (maybe conditional based on Brassard’s health next season?) and Pascal Leclaire be? Brassard is out for the season, so I figure with the pressure on Columbus to make the playoffs, it could happen, and Leclaire might just need a change of scenery.

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  • Wook

    Garrett, thanks for the info as always. So it seems that Kaberle’s NMC becomes limited like that of Kubina’s after this season. Given the current Kubina situation (or lack thereof) coupled to BB’s respect for NMCs, more the reason to jump on Kaberle’s potential-ten list while we still have the chance. If BB somehow puts together a more competitive team next season I can definitely see Kaberle pulling a Kubina come next trade deadline. As for Kubina, he really should have been dealt last summer.

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  • CarltontheBear

    Everyone’s always on Kubina’s case about not waiving his NMC last deadline, but if the deal was for Kyle McLaren like Berger reported, then thank god he didn’t waive.

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  • Jonah

    I hope they don’t trade Moore, their is 0 chance they can get a 2nd rounder or better for this guy, and if you are just going to be trading him for an average prospect or a 3rd-4th rounder, might as well just keep him as he is a great 3rd liner, if you can lock him up for at least 3 more years to play center for Blake it’d be better than tossing him for nothing that good.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    @Troy: Brassard has #1 centre written all over him. If Scott Howson offered that deal, I would have absolutely no issue with Burke taking him up on the offer. I would actually include Toskala (Columbus needs a veteran to back up Mason), and remove the conditional tag from the pick.
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    As a side note … Brassard may not be a physical player, but the “Burke player” labe only actually applies to his bottom 6 forwards … his top 6 have always contained finesse players (Selanne in Anaheim, the Sedins in Vancouver, etc). It would be nice to have a young star tandem up front … he would look great paired with any of Schroeder, Duchene, or Kane.
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    @Johah
    I believe that if the Leafs do trade Moore, they will try to bring him back next season. He loves playing in Toronto and there is a very good chance they would be able to re-sign him in the offseason. I am not referring to any sort of gentleman’s agreement either, as was suggested earlier. Rather, I think the move ultimately needs to happen so the Leafs can give John Mitchell more responsibility for the rest of the season. They need to find out what they have in him. Adding an extra draft pick as a part of the process is a nice bonus.

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  • Troy

    Garrett on Moore:

    What about the Burke/Steve Moore connection? Would this play into Dom’s decision to re-sign in the off-season. I can’t see it effecting Burke’s decision, but I would think Dom owes his brother some kind of loyalty.

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  • Jeff

    @Troy: Loyalty? For what? Burke didn’t punch him in the back of the head!

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  • Troy

    @Jeff

    He defended Bert throughout, and is involved in the lawsuit.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    Means nothing. It’s professional sports. Burke was only doing his job as GM, defending a player on his team. If Moore didn’t want to play for a team that Burke was working for, he’d have requested a trade already.
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    Now, if Crawford were the coach … that would be more interesting, as he was more directly tied to the situation than the GM.

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  • Gerard

    Garrett,
    Great article.
    Looks like Steve Simmons (Toronto Sun) reads the site. LOL!
    http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/steve_simmons/2009/02/24/8504996-sun.html

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  • CarltontheBear

    lol Garrett you should be suing for plagarism.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    Nah, all that tells me is that I did not, as it turns out, have too many sangrias after all before writing the post. Phew! ;-)

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