Post-Deadline Thoughts

by on March 4, 2009 in Uncategorized - 36 Comments

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It’s official:  the trade deadline has come and gone … not with a bang but a whimper.

Aside from the agonizingly slow pace throughout most of the day, some fascinating moves (and non-moves) took place, for both the Maple Leafs and the league as a whole.

Here are my thoughts, in the aftermath of Deadline Day:

1.  The players we expected to see moved were moved.  Namely, the two pending UFAs, Moore and Antropov, were dealt as expected.  Thus, the Leafs avoid the risk of losing them for nothing in the offseason.

Verdict: successful in terms of being able to net a return for two pending UFAs that the Leafs were unlikely to re-sign.

2.  Draft picks were the focus of Burke‘s trades, and he was able to re-stock the cupboard with a couple of 2nds and a 4th.   The Leafs now have picks in every round, including two in the 2nd in what is being called the deepest draft in years.

Verdict: successful in terms of the Leafs acquiring draft picks for a change, instead of giving them up.

3.  First round picks were clearly at a premium.  At the end of the day, the fears over a likely cap decrease in 2010-11 is speculated to have led teams to hang onto their top picks (entry level deals max out at under $1 million).   Only one 1st rounder was moved, and that was Calgary’s in the Jokinen trade.  The Leafs held out right until the last few minutes in the hopes of getting a 1st for Antropov, but at the end of the day not enough buyers were willing to part with that high of a pick.

Verdict: moderately successful in that Burke was at least able to get two picks (2nd + conditional) in return for Antropov when his hopes for a 1st were dashed.   Jokinen – a consistent performer his entire career – garnered a 1st due to his reputation as a “name” player among GMs … whereas outside of Toronto, Antropov – consistent only the past two seasons – simply isn’t seen in that light.

4.  Top prospects were clearly at a premium, also.   It is fun to imagine trade scenarios such as Antropov for Voracek, but put yourself in the other guy’s shoes.  If you are Scott Howson, and you are building a team in Columbus, why deal a possible future star (Voracek, Brassard, etc) for a player who is most likely a rental?  It makes very little sense.  Now, if Columbus was on the cusp of a playoff spot, it would be a more sensible deal, but the way they have been playing lately (currently 6th in West), it is simply not worth the risk to move the long-term future for a short-term gain.

Verdict: neutral — no major prospects were moved on draft day, other than Matt Lashoff, who has looked to be closer to bust than boom thus far at the NHL level.   The reality is, lack of prospect availability was a league-wide phenomena, not something exclusive to the Leafs.  I can live with that.

5.  GMs made trades largely based on “needs” this year, as opposed to “wants”.   Parity would be the reason for this: with so many teams fighting for playoff spots this year (tightest race in a long time in both conferences), GMs were more apt to go after players who filled a need, rather than simply the best players available.  Case in point:  Columbus traded Leclaire and a 2nd for Vermette, and some wondered why Antropov, a better player overall than Vermette, couldn’t have gotten a similar deal (if not gone in that deal instead of Vermette).  Simply put, Columbus identified team speed at the forward position as a critical need, and speed is not a part of Antropov’s game.

Verdict: GMs were responsible on trade deadline day?  Say what?  Truth be told, I would probably say moderately successful here, in terms of the Leafs … when the deal they wanted simply wasn’t available, they found the next best deal they could.  See the verdict for #3 above.

6. Creative trades.  Gotta love that salary cap!  The four-team deal with Edm, Car, LA, and Buf may take a week to sort out, and was quite an impressive feat to pull off.  The Leafs taking on salary to move a mid-range prospect for another mid-range prospect and a 4th was quite brilliant in its own right.  And conditional picks always add to the fun.

Verdict: the late deal with TB moves this into the successful category.  Burke was able to add an extra draft pick, and a prospect, for a prospect who at best is equal to one of those.   All he had to do was take on two injured players who won’t play the rest of the season to make it happen.  Still waiting on the terms of the conditional pick in the Antropov deal … last I heard it was based on NYR’s playoff success, not on Antropov re-signing in NY.

7.  The action was really slow today.   All told, the final number of deals will be in the neighbourhood of 20, which is not bad considering 20-25 was what most were expecting.  However, few of these deals were of the “major” variety, and a large number of the deals did not happen until the final hour.   The reason?  (a) Fears of the 2010-11 cap decline caused teams to decide to commit to their prospects rather than deal them for expensive veterans, and (b) so many teams are in tight in the playoff race, that nobody felt is was worth risking their future players for short-term help.   9 points separate 4th from 10th in the East, and 9 points separate 6th from 13th in the West.   In other words, teams feel they have a great shot, with around 18 games remaining, to make up that existing ground without tampering with team chemistry or giving up a member of the team’s future.

Verdict: The deadline, on the whole, was moderately successful.  Personally, I expected a slow day for the reasons above, and to that point the lack of action highlights the level of parity the league has been seeking to achieve among its clubs.   If there is too little a gap between too many teams, the number of trades will decrease as GMs will generally believe they can compete with their existing rosters.   There are simply too many teams in the middle of the pack, and as a result there were only a couple of buyers who were willing to take a significant risk (Calgary, NYR were the only two teams willing to give up a lot for one player).

Final thoughts: Today was what I expected.   Three Leaf trades, draft picks back to the Leafs, and not much action league-wide.   I was mildly surprised at the lack of 1st round pick availability (less surprised at the lack of prospect availability), but the more I think about it the more it makes sense.  The closeness in the standings among the majority of teams, along with fears of a cap decline two years from now, ultimately served to cripple the trade market at this year’s deadline.   Look for more movement to occur over the offseason (when the cap can be exceeded, buyouts can occur, limited NTCs expire, etc) than we’ve seen in past years.

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  • Joe

    Disappointing day. not a total bust, we did some things we needed to in getting our picks back but as a leaf fan this year I’ve been waiting for 2 days since October. Deadline day and Draft day. Like I said, it wasn’t a bust but it was certainly boring and way over-hyped. I hope for more come draft time.

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  • Ace Pinball

    It was a buyer’s market this year and teams were holding on to their young assets tightly. In my opinion, the ‘first major move’ of Burke’s tenure here as GM is deferred to what happens at the draft. That’s when you’ll see the return for the two 2nd rounders.

    The easiest route is to draft with those picks, and have, potentially, some prospects coming up as depth? (ideally, 2nd rounders have a 3-4 year timeline).

    Or they could potentially move up spots. Last year, the cost to grab Schenn was a second round pick+, so the Leafs now have the option of moving up again, either into the top 5 if they continue to play well or perhaps into the more coveted 1,2 spots everyone covets.

    But you know, sometimes teams do strange things at the draft. A few years ago, Philly traded two 2nd round picks and a couple scrubs for the #4 overall pick. So, you could potentially make a trade to land Brayden Schenn with, say, Phoenix’s pick. A Brayden Schenn/Patrick Kane type prospect for Antropov and Moore wouldn’t look so bad… We’ll see if Burke can get creative.

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  • Jes

    Wouldn’t Antropov be better for the Bruins than Recchi? I mean the Bolts got prospect Lashoff. I wonder if the Leafs even attempted to go for him.

    So there were some prospects available. Not much agreed, but I would have taken Lashoff for him over the 2nd and conditional from the Rangers.

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  • Ace Pinball

    Ah- but the Bolts also gave up a second to Boston in that trade.

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  • Joe

    what happens to hockeybuzz now! “Sources say Toronto and Washington are talking about playing this thursday (e3)…more to come. I’ve seriously pumping hockey websites into my veins for weeks now. I’m lost. maybe i’ll read a book.

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  • the Surreal McCoy

    i think you’ve made an excellent assessment here Garrett. well done! the only thing i would add to this, in terms of success, is that Burke’s deals were could also fall into an “addition by subtraction’ category, in that losing 2 of our top players and bringing in Gerber really should help the Buds sink back into the bottom 5. bring on the draft!

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  • Jes

    Oh o.k the bolts did include a 2nd. Seeing as how that will be a pretty good 2nd that changes things a lot than.

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  • Mizuno

    Alright, I hope the draft day will be exciting. Burke is smart, he’s traded Antro and Moore and acquired a bad goaltender to help us get that top 5 spot in the draft. Can’t wait until the draft day!

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  • Karm

    Overall, this could have been a lot better, at least that’s what everyone expected. But 3 picks additional picks in the top 100 for nothing while strengthening Tank Nation isn’t too shabby either.
    … One thing I can’t seem to figure out is why is Kubina such a pieca shiat, for the love of God, this team is gonna finish near the bottom with ZERO chance of a playoff spot. Who in their right mind wants to stay on a team that simply sucks, when they can be on in a Cup race?? I sincerely hope he gets traded to the shittiest place in the off season, Nashville or Phoenix, see how much the douche enjoys playing in front of an empty arena.
    … Time collect the shattered hopes and dreams and to set forth new ones for the draft and Tank Nation!!! Matt Duchane here we come!!!

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  • Blair

    I hope that conditional is a first… in that Toronto gets a first rounder if the Rangers get tossed in the first round of the playoffs, 2nd round pick for NYR bowing out in the 2nd, etc… makes symetrical sense.
    I’m glad I didn’t stay home from work to observe a religious holiday today. It was like Christmas without the presents and turkey.
    A 2nd rounder for a waiver pick up UFA isn’t too shabby. I’m willing to bet Moore doesn’t play as well in Buffalo and comes back to the Leafs in the off season.

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  • Mizuno

    @Karm. You’re calling Kubina a douche? lol

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  • hockey_guru

    Blair, that makes no sense. The return would be higher on the conditional pick there better the rangers do, not the other way around. Also… is the condition as to how the rangers do or whether Antropov resigns?

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  • king

    Blair what are you talking about?? They give a 1st if they lose in the first round?? but give a 2nd round pick if the get thrown out in the 2nd round??? You have it the wrong way… the further the Rangers go the higher the pick should be not the other way around. Maybe you meant something else.

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  • hockey_guru

    haha no doubt, or else we could send Antropov there to screw shit up and try to get the rangers to lose… then resign him hahaha

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  • Karm

    Well there’s two ways of looking at the benefit to the Leafs of the Ranger’s fate. If they Rangers make the playoffs and get the “conditional 4th pick”, the Leafs might get the #56 pick and the #115 pick. If the Rangers don’t make the playoffs at all their 2nd rounder could become the 42nd to 44th pick. I think I’d have a slight preference towards the 44ish pick.

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  • ZSC Jamie Heward

    i agree with Moore’s situation: great deal by Burkie.
    look how Moore’s going to look out of place in Buffalo. he’ll be happy to sign with the Leafs for 2 years at 1 million per season on July 1st & be the 3rd line center he’s supposed to be.

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  • king

    ^^ I have a feeling both Antropov and Moore will come back to the Leafs at cheap prices. Moore won’t be able to produce for the Sabres with limited time unlike the first line minutes he was getting here.
    Antropov just likes the Leafs too much for him to stay in NY. I don’t think he’s going to perform well enough for the Rangers, but you never know.

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  • lf4l

    I believe the conditional pick for Antropov goes if the Rangers make the playoffs the Leafs get a 5th. Additional rounds raise the pick.

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  • taterchips

    Rangers have to win 2 rounds for the Leafs to get the pick at all. In the case they do, it’s a 4th.

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  • leafs89

    people had their expectations way too high. This is a good first step. You can’t evaluate Burke based on this. He’s smart and patient. He didn’t make trades just for the sake of making them. They have to make sense and fit in with his vision of this team.

    P.S. Have you guys seen the Eklund Rumor Generator program? You click a button and it picks a random name going to a random team with a random E rating. Pretty funny : )) (probably what he does too :P )

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  • http://admin Alec Brownscombe

    I found the returns underwhelming, but to be expected considering the circumstances.

    It’s easy to compare the Leafs’ deals with those of Vermette and Carcillo, however, both players are younger and signed beyond the summer.
    Antro and Moore are rentals. With the economic decline implicating a lowering of the cap, picks are all the more valuable and therefore can’t be wasted on rental players and the returns reflect that.

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  • leafslunch

    Hockeybuzz is a joke, I can’t believe I wasted two refreshes on that page.

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  • http://admin Alec Brownscombe

    Also… the reason why Lawson was looking to shed more salary with in excess of 6 million dollars in cap space was because the Lightning needed to descend below the salary midpont line of 48.7million in order to become a recepient of revenue sharing. Trade sure was slimy, but well played by Burke.

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  • Lanny14d

    Ok, thats over. Lets start freaking out about the UFA’s July1!

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  • Jes

    Lost in all of this is that Burke paid 500k for a 4th round pick.

    Great job with that Burke. :)

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