Getting To Know You: Justin Pogge

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JUSTIN POGGE (# 29) – G

Player Facts

Birthdate: April 22, 1986
Stargazing: Taurus
Hometown: Fort McMurray, Alberta

Size: 6-3, 204 lbs (team listing)
Catches: Left

Acquired: Drafted by Toronto in 2004 (3rd round, 90th overall)
Cap hit: N/A (plays in AHL); $683,333 if recalled to NHL
Signed through: 2008-09 season
FA status: RFA after 2008-2009 season

You May Not Know This, But

  • Pogge was a model for Bootlegger during the summer of 2006
  • Shared an apartment with ex-Marlie Robbie Earl
  • Classic rock fan; counts Kiss, Led Zeppelin, and The Rolling Stones among his favorite bands
  • Did not start playing hockey until he was 10
  • His mother credits him with saving her life – while she was pregnant with him.  This is seriously an amazing story; check the comments below for how you can read it.

Scouting Profile

Strengths

Pogge is a big goaltender whose large frame fills the net.  He has a quick glove and good lateral movement for a big man.  He handles the puck well in passing situations, and can poke-check with the best of them.   Pogge is aggressive and when his game is on, he will play near the top of the crease and cut down shooting angles with ease.  Pogge is extremely confident and can easily shake off a bad goal, or a bad game.

Weaknesses

There are a couple of concerns with Pogge’s game.  His major flaw is rebound control.  Although he is very reliable when handling the puck, he needs to control the amount of rebounds he allows to bounce back into the slot.  Pogge is also sometimes a bit too impatient in net. He has a tendency to get overaggressive, coming too far out of the goal leading him to be susceptible to rebound goals, or dropping into the butterfly far too early and exposing the top of the net.

Career Notes

2003-04
Posted a record of 17-18-2, with a 2.83 GAA and .900 SV% with the Prince George Cougars during his first WHL campaign.  Was drafted in the 3rd round of the NHL Entry Draft by the Toronto Maple Leafs.

2004-05
Traded to the WHL’s Calgary Hitmen midway through the season, Pogge finished the year 24-21-5, with a 2.50 GAA, .907 SV% and 6 shutouts.  In 12 playoff games, he was 7-5, with an excellent 1.94 GAA and .928 SV%.

2005-06
In his final Junior season, Pogge compiled an incredible 38-10-6 record, with a 1.72 GAA, .926 SV%, and 11 shutouts. His playoff numbers (7-6, 2.54, .911) were once again solid.  He delivered a spectacular performance in the 2006 World Junior Championships: a last-minute invite to training camp, Pogge quickly earned the starter’s job and went undefeated in the tournament (6-0-0), allowing 6 goals and posting 3 shutouts en route to Team Canada’s gold medal victory.

2006-07
Pogge’s first season with the AHL’s Toronto Marlies was inconsistent, as he struggled to adapt to the faster Pro game against more experienced shooters.  He finished 19-25-2, with a 3.03 GAA, .896 SV% and 3 shutouts.  After a tough first half, his numbers improved dramatically during the latter stagies of the season.

2007-08
Pogge’s second AHL season was a marked improvement on the first, as he found a comfort zone en route to posting a 26-10-4 record, with 4 shutouts, a 2.34 GAA and .908 SV%.  He appeared in only 4 playoff games however, as coach Greg Gilbert decided to go with the hot hand in Scott Clemmenson.  Nevertheless, Pogge recorded a 1-1 playoff record during 2 starts and 2 relief appearances, posting a 2.09 GAA and .918 SV%.

2008-09
Pogge has earned several NHL callups this season, as the rebuilding Toronto Maple Leafs try to ease him into NHL action.  Playing behind a poor defensive Leafs squad, Pogge has posted a 1-3-1 record in 5 games, with a 3.94 GAA and .855 SV%.  He has also struggled somewhat in the AHL this season (20-17-4, 2.77 GAA, .893 SV%) behind an inconsistent Marlies squad.

From The Grapevine

The most common questions heard around Ricoh Coliseum these days are “when is Pogge going to make it the the NHL?” and, of course, “what’s a Pogge?”.  Pogge has done just about everything he can do at the AHL level, shy of winning a Calder Cup for the Marlies.  Those who attend Marlie games regularly rave about his confident play in net, and his ability to bounce back from shaky NHL call-ups to provide solid play for the Marlies.  Nothing rattles this kid, I am told.  Rather than getting down on himself over his difficulties thus far at the NHL level, Pogge instead uses those experiences to motivate himself to become a better player.  Marlie and Leaf observers alike have been duly impressed by his growing maturity, his willingness to accept being sent back to the AHL without complaint, and his candidness about the areas of his game in which he needs to improve before he can earn a starting role in the NHL.

Notable Quotables: Leafs’ goaltending coach Corey Hirsch

On Pogge’s NHL potential …

“It’s Toronto, and Justin was built into the Next Coming, and that’s not fair. So much of goaltending is from the mental side, and maturity plays a huge role in that, and where Justin is actually at in his maturity, we don’t know. But we know he has the potential to be a good goaltender.”
(National Post)

Notable Quotables: Maple Leafs’ coach Ron Wilson

On giving Pogge some starts this season …

“He’s a young goalie. He needs to develop, he needs to play.  Because he’s right in our own backyard we can get him some games and experience in the NHL as well.”
(Toronto Star)

On the advantage of Pogge’s size …

“When he is in a butterfly, all he has to do is move two or three inches. ”
(Associated Press)

On the dangers of rushing a young goaltender into the spotlight …

“I don’t want Justin Pogge to be what Carey Price is today, a shell of himself.”
(The Fan 590)

Notable Quotables: Justin Pogge

On GM Brian Burke‘s comments that he has done nothing to earn an NHL job …

“It’s the truth.  If this was a playoff race, you don’t want to be throwing a young guy in there. I’m happy to get a shot. I’m just fortunate for the situation.”
(Toronto Star)

On what he has learned from his NHL experiences thus far …

“I’ve learned that you’ve got to be a little more patient than I was – flopping around like a fish.”
(The Hockey News)

On his track record of early struggles followed by prolonged success …

“I have never had anything work out right away for me, ever. I have always had to work at it … I feel that I have been getting better.”
(National Post)

On the long road to the NHL …

“Everyone’s different. Sidney [Crosby]‘s an exception. He probably could have played in the league at 16. He’s just one of those players. A lot of guys, including myself, need a couple of years just to mature. The body’s gotta grow, and your head’s gotta grow too. You’ve got to be ready and mature enough to get to the next level.”
(Toronto Star)

Video Highlights

Justin Pogge and Robbie Earl show off their apartment for Leafs TV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqpO6I_yWY4

Justin Pogge lampoons the Nick Lachey AXE commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOvDCxWKGLY

In My Humble Opinion

It is far too early to tell whether or not Justin Pogge will be the long-term answer in goal for the Toronto Maple Leafs.  Certainly, he will be given every opportunity to stake his claim for the job.  It would not be unrealistic to expect him to be the Marlies’ starter in the AHL playoffs, and to earn the backup role behind Vesa Toskala on the NHL club next season.  It is, however, unrealistic at this point to expect this kid to be the savior of the Leafs’ franchise.   He has much to learn and should not be rushed – or pressured – into a starting role before he is ready.  Patience is a virtue, and patience with Pogge – on behalf of the management, coaches, and fans of the Toronto Maple Leafs – is what will lead to his best chance for success.  Pogge’s strong work ethic and terrific self-confidence give him the potential for a very bright NHL future.  If Pogge continues to work on his fundamentals, and maintains his excellent attitude toward the game and his future as a Leaf, he has a very real shot at becoming the Leafs full-time starter in net by the 2010-11 season.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    Here is the info on the article I mentioned above …
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    “The boy whose kick saved his mother” – Globe & Mail, Dec 29 2005
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    This is an incredible story about Justin Pogge, how his life almost never came to be, and the struggles he and mother faced. Well worth the read, whether you are a Leafs fan or not. Unfortunately, the Globe & Mail does not provide free access to its archives.
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    How to get the article:
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    (a) If you have subscriber access to the Globe & Mail, you can find it by searching their website.
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    (b) Visit your local library. If they subscribe to any online databases, see if they have one which archives newspaper articles. Many of the Gale databases include the past 20 years or so of the Globe & Mail (this is how I found it, actually!).
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    (c) Drop me a line at [email protected] and I can send you the article via the database.

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  • Wook

    “2008-09
    Pogge has earned several NHL callups this season, as the rebuilding Toronto Maple Leafs try to ease him into NHL action. Playing behind a poor defensive Leafs squad, Pogge has posted a 1-3-1 record in 5 games, with a 3.94 GAA and .855 Sv%. However, he has played brilliantly in the AHL (26-10-4, 2.34 GAA, .908 SV%, 4 SO).”
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    Those are his stats from last year, this year’s AHL stats (20-17-4, 2.77 GAA, .893 SV%, 0 SO). He has played rather poorly in the AHL, hence the growing concern that he is just not good enough for the NHL – at least not just yet.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    Fixed.
    Had the ’07-’08 info in my notes twice. Glad you caught that. :-)

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  • Jordan

    Hes still only 23 guys, hes gonna be a good starter, just needs time. There is noway they give up on him, that would just be braindead

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  • betterforsome

    I’ve never been as optimistic about this guy as some people (say, those who were predicting he’d be our starter next year). He seems like a nice guy but I think he’s still got a lot of proving to do at the AHL level, never mind the NHL. Goalie prospects become busts with a depressing regularity and it sometimes feels like Pogge gets the amount of attention he does in Toronto simply because of our utter lack of goaltending depth (a.k.a. the Mikael Tellqvist effect).

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  • BarryB

    I think he will surprise the hellout of people when his time comes.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    I hope he does. However, expectations need to be tempered, when it comes to young goaltenders. Pogge has shown flashes of brilliance, and has definite potential as a starting goaltender in the NHL, but his game still needs a lot of work. The major concern is the amount of pressure that will be put on him from a media (and fan) perspective … witness the booing he received from Leaf fans during the Buffalo game. Which was both shameful and embarrassing.
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    Pogge could be a very good goaltender for this team down the road … but he still has a long way to go before he gets there. He will not become a star overnight, it will take a lot of work, and there will be struggles along the way. He is at least two years away from being the regular starter (I think he will have a serious chance to win the job in 2010-11), and those members of Leaf Nation who like to deify every prospect as “the next one”, as Corey Hirsch put it, need to keep their expectations in check for the time being.
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    I have no doubt that this kid has the ability to become an impact player for this team. But I have serious doubts as to how soon that will happen … Pogge will need to develop at his own rate, and the media and fanbase will need to be patient throughout the process. Management and coaching are not a concern in that regard … they understand the development process better than anybody … but as we all know, coaching and management is not where the pressure comes from in Toronto.

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  • Goal Post

    Justin has the all the attributes required to be an NHL goaltender. The only flaw I see in his game is the tendancy to lose focus when the play is outside the blueline. His is caught out of position or flat footed when the opposing team quickly counter attacks from a neutral zone give away. Even when Justin is having a good outing there always seems to be that one questionable goal. He should talk to past stars such as Ken Dryden or Grant Fuhr and ask them how they maintained concentration on those great Habs and Oiler teams. I also think Justin would benefit from having a personal goalie coach. I see that the Leaf goalies are over committing to plays within the butterfly and are out of position on late passes. This has been a problem for Justin for many years but is now showing up in Toskala’s game as well. This looks to be a coaching philosophy that does not work with the current Leaf netminders. Justin should also have a look at the games he played in the World Junior Championships. He was under control at all times and did not slide himself out of position. He is large and should use that to his advantage. When Justin understands this he will be ready to take on a full time role in the NHL.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    Most analysts will tell you that goaltenders don’t usually “break out” until they are about 26, on average. I agree that Pogge has shown enough potential in his Junior, WJC, and AHL stints to be a solid starting goaltender in the NHL for years to come.
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    The only question is how soon it will happen. Pogge has had a career-spanning tendency of starting slow at every level, and finishing strong. This has been especially true this season, as his play during the second half of the AHL season has been much stronger than it was earlier this season. Here’s hoping this means that his early struggles in the NHL will lead to great success further down the road.

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  • Joshua Gilbert

    why does it always say hes from fort mac i lived here all my life and never heard of the guy till 4 yrs ago

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