Thank You Ron Wilson… and Jamal Mayers

by on March 12, 2009 in Uncategorized - 357 Comments

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Link: “We’re going through a phase right now where I challenge our players to get better every day and the only way you can do that is by attempting to win.”
-Wilson

“If you want to teach them to be professionals and get this organization going in the right direction, which the coaching staff and management is doing, then you have to teach guys how to win. Anything less than that is unacceptable.”
-Mayers

I’ve had just about enough of the Tank debate. Let the draft pick land where it may and go from there. A re-build has far more to it than simply drafting. Remember all the work Cliff Fletcher performed to combat the alleged “country club” atmosphere that had permeated the Leaf dressing room? Creating an atmosphere in which losing is in any shape or form acceptable is a serious case of backwards thinking.

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  • crayn

    The TML HFBoards is for the most part dirt because of all the prospect-loving tank nation nerds. It really makes you sick to see fellow fans getting mad and throwing insults at players after we won a god damn game.

    If being a Leaf fan was embarrassing before.. How about now?

    We could finish 9th and draft Zack Kassian or Dmitri Kulikov and I’ll still be happy. At the very least it is looking like the Leafs have good scouting, especially in later rounds (Dido, Stefanovich, Flaake.. even that dude we traded for Grabo is apparently really good).

    What’s important is the Leafs have good coaching and good management. This is a HUUUUUUGE step up from when we had JFJ/PM.

    PS. We will make the playoffs next year.

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  • CarltontheBear

    “PS. We will make the playoffs next year.”

    Easy Paul Maurice :P

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  • Saurabh

    I think I speak for most fans when I say that I appreciate a hard-fought win and the fact that the win is based in the work of youngsters. However, I don’t get upset this season if they lose either. As long as they fought hard and showed that they can be a part of the Leafs future.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    Blair,
    My point wasn’t that drafting isn’t essential … of course it is. But it can’t be the sole mechanism a team relies upon to build. Ideally, a balance between deft drafting, smart free agent aquisitions, and properly-structured contracts (e.g. front-loaded, low cap hit) to maintain core roster players will lead a team to greater success than putting the majority of the focus on just one of those areas.
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    For instance, the New York Islanders have had great draft picks for how many years now, and where has that gotten them? The Philadelphia Flyers went to great lengths to lock up the core of their team, and now face serious cap problems with over 44mil committed through the dreaded 2010-11 season. And the New York Rangers, well, we all know the results of their endless UFA spending sprees.
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    Counter that with these examples: Anaheim and Detroit are two of the best examples of teams that have built their squads for success now, and with an eye toward the future.
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    The core of the Ducks are mid-first round picks Getzlaf and Perry. Both of these guys are signed through 2013 at a very fair 5.3mil cap hit. They found a goaltender with potential (Giguere, what a steal of a deal that was) and developed him into star. They were able to swing a trade for an impact player (Pronger) using picks and prospects they had previously accumulated. And they maintained enough cap space to sign two key free agents (Neidermayer, Selanne) put them over the top.
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    As for Detroit, the Wings do three things better than anyone else: find talent in late draft rounds, develop young players, and find free agents who fit their system. Rarely do the Wings go after the best free agents available (Hossa was an interesting exception); rather, they go after players who will fit into the team’s on-ice philosophy/style of play. Further, the Wings are also one of the top teams in the league in terms of keeping their own talent in the fold. Seriously, how many key players leave Detroit via free agency in any given year? They’ve got it right, and will continue to be a contender for several years as a result.

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  • Garrett Bauman

    The point is, a balanced approach between the three main facets of building a team (drafting, locking up the core, and the free agent market) will generally lead to a much higher rate of success both now and in the future, than putting the focus on solely one of those areas. The NYI, Philly, and NYR examples are proof of the risk of making one of those areas too high a priority over the others. Whereas Detroit and Anaheim (as well as San Jose and New Jersey) will continue to have competitive teams year in and year out as a result of their balanced strategies toward building their teams.
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    Yes, I know Anaheim has struggled this season, but injuries and players contemplating retirement will do that to a team. They’re still a darkhorse to keep an eye on, however, if they make it into the playoffs. And the Whitney trade is proof of that team’s commitment to consistency: a good young player who can help now and in the future, as the (eventual) replacement for Neidermeyer.

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  • Cool Hand Luke

    “Let the draft pick land where it may and go from there.” -Alec

    Thank you alec. And notice the followers: it only takes an intelligent writer to produce such a to-the-point blog for 30+ leaf fans to realize hockey is a game, and draft lotteries are just ping pong balls.

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  • Cool Hand Luke

    with NYI winning, they are living proof that ‘tanking’ isn’t in the vocabulary of hockey players.

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  • Blair

    Again, no one, not even tank nation, expects the Leafs’ organization to tank on purpose. As everyone knows, NO ONE TANKS PURPOSEFULLY. The idea is that if they lose it’s no big deal, heck, it may even be better for the franchise (from the fan’s perspective, not the players). That’s what Tank Nation believes – know your enemy before you comment on them. It’s been nice to think that way this season because now when they do lose I don’t feel disappointed. I have no problem with the coaching staff trying to instill a winning attitude in their players – even though a lot of them won’t be part of the team going forward – but if they lose, they lose. It’s only for one season. If there is any hockey fan out there that would rather win meaningless games for the remainder of the season than have a shot at drafting a player like Lecavalier, Ovechkin, Malkin, etc, than you’re putting your team in a position for years in the future to not win as much as you could have with that superstar player. As a fan, I know the Leafs are going to be bad this season, so why not make it worthwhile? If they’re going to be close to that draft position anyways, why not cheer for them to get closer to it? If all goes according to plan, the Leafs won’t have a shot at a such a high draft pick for the next decade.

    And let’s not kid ourselves here. Yes, you can draft quality players later in the draft outside the top ten. But the idea of the draft is that the best players go first. Not always true, but more likely than finding as good a player later in the draft.

    Obviously, the draft is only one faucet, but in a rebuild’s first year when your organization lacks front line talent, this draft is probably the most important draft for the Leafs to achieve success according to their time frames for success.

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  • Ron Guillet

    I would never want the Leafs to purposely lose, as a team who is structured to fail will do just that…..fail.

    I’m just not bothered by them losing, especially close hockey games, because in the end, it will increase their chances significantly of getting more elite talent through the draft.

    As I said, I don’t want the team to have a losing attitude, because obviously that would be detrimental towards their development, but I do hope they lose close hockey games. This club lacks a lot of talent, and although the draft is not the only tool in rebuilding, it is certainly an important one.

    So please, keep losing Leafs!

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  • Ron Guillet

    Hm, so I guess basically…..I agree with Blair 100% :D

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  • keon

    Well said… I too have had enough from the limp-wristed crowd.

    Play like men win like men, lose like men.

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  • Mark Ribble

    AMEN, Alec, AMEN.
    It’s about damn time.

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  • Roacho

    @Alec
    “Creating an atmosphere in which losing is in any shape or form acceptable is a serious case of backwards thinking.”
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    I think most people understand that the players want to win and TRY to win. It’s very clear that they are pros and are playing to continue their respective careers at the NHL level. However as a fan I do not see anything wrong with hoping to get a high first round pick. In the end is there really anything wrong with wanting to see Tavares, Hedman or Duchene in a Leafs uniform, I don’t think so. There would be something seriously wrong if the Leafs brass were purposely trying to throw games, but that’s not the case. I’m fine with letting the chips fall as they may, but I DO HOPE that the Leafs drop in the standings for the obvious reasons stated above. Your blog seems to be an attack on those that want the high pick, but directed to a VERY small percentage that actually expected the players, coaching and management to lose on purpose. The majority of us know that things don’t work that way. You’re right this is backwards thinking in some ways, but the expectation from “tank nation” is that this team will need to take a step backward before it takes one forward. We’re just hoping that a low finish in the standings will accelerate the process.

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  • daniel marois

    I wil say this. If you look at all teams at near the bottom (NYI, ATL, OTT, TB, COL) they are all playing to win, not losing on purpose to get the first pick overall. It is unfortunate that those teams stand a better chance at getting a great prospect in the top five of the draft, despite those teams winning games recently.

    Yes, we would all love to see the Leafs with either Tavares, Duchene or Kane but all I recommend is to wait till the end of the season and after the lottery draft. Perhaps our wish comes true and the lottery pushes the Leafs a few spots up.

    To give some solace, I do think Burke will do his best to move the Leafs up the draft without giving away the farm.

    It is remarkable to see a team filled with second and third line forwards to remain competitve every night.

    Fletcher chose wisely in hiring Wilson and his coaching staff who have done more than a remarkable job this year. It can be said that once this roster is filled with some highly-skilled forwards, look out. This team will be a force in 2-3 years.

    I realize we don’t have any blue-chip forward prospects (Stefanovich, Flaake, Dido still have to prove they have NHL top-forward potential) but perhaps in time they will develop into them.

    Hopefully Flaake comes over to play in the WHL next year and forwards like Dido and Dale Mitchell will graduate to the Marlies next season, whom I am sure will get a call-up to the Leafs at some point dueing next season.

    Biggest hop for this franchise is indeed Pogge. If he can assert himself as a big-time $$$ goalie in the AHL playoffs, Toskala will finally have some legit competition for the #1 job next season.

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  • leafswest

    If the leafs tanked Wilson would just blame it on the media.

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  • http://admin Alec Brownscombe

    Blair, the Leafs have featured more rookies than any other NHL team this year. How, then, is seeing this club succeed with a youthful roster not a good thing within the context of a re-build?

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  • Chance

    @Leafsweet
    Sorry couldn’t hear you, seems like you’ve got your mic off.
    @Alec
    Completely agree. The leafs did exactly what I wanted and hoped would happen this year. Play and showcase as many rookies as they could, while remaining competitive and instilling a sense of tenacity and belligerence in the entire roster. We lose games; bummer. Not a huge loss though as it means a quality draft pick in June. We win; excellent. A a win is always great. Here’s too a season devoted to learning.

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