NY Post: Snow’s Counter Offer
According to Larry Brooks of the New York Post, it seems that Islander GM Garth Snow has turned on the tables on Brian Burke. Apparently, “the Islanders would be willing to deal, all right . . . willing to deal for Toronto’s seventh-overall selection, that is.” Quite the interesting twist.
Sensing Burke’s “reluctance” to select at 7th overall, our buddy Garth Snow is offering to take that pick off Toronto’s hands in exchange for a package of draft picks in the first two rounds. As it stands, the Islanders are holding a wealth of early draft picks in the upcoming NHL Draft, including their own 1st overall selection, San Jose’s 1st round pick (26th-30th overall, acquired from Ottawa via the Campoli trade), their own 2nd round pick (31st overall), Toronto’s 2nd round pick (37th overall, acquired via the Luke Schenn trade), and Boston’s 2nd round pick (60th overall).
Supposedly, the counter-offer would include Toronto’s 7th overall pick going to the Islanders for San Jose’s 1st round pick, New York’s 2nd round pick, and Boston’s 2nd round pick. So basically, you’re getting a pick in the early 30′s and a pick in the early 60′s to move down from 7th overall to 26th-30th overall. If true, Snow must have a very short memory because he established the same price on Cliff Fletcher to move up TWO spots, never mind 20 spots at last year’s draft.
In a draft class that’s more top heavy than deep, quality not quantity is the name of the game, and Burke of all people knows this, having already outlined his desire to move up. That said, he hasn’t altogether ruled out the notion of trading down, but it would take a heckuva lot more than this. Most likely, this “rumor” is either someone’s imagination running a little wild, or Snow’s way of getting a jab back at Burke for being so open about his motives.
Rumors are going to be running rampant from now right up until the moment Burke walks up to the podium on draft day. Until then, take everything with a grain of salt and enjoy the ride.
Always a pleasure,
Alex Tran
alex.tran@mapleleafshotstove.com
April 21st, 2009 at 7:46 am
Anyway again, to all you leaf haters, why dont you hit up NYIhotstove.com. I’m thinking the reason you dont is because Garth Snow is the only one on there, messaging himself. GO LEAFS GO!!!
HAHAHHAHA so true
April 21st, 2009 at 8:23 am
My guess is that once the tire called hype loses air (i.e. lets see how much of a good passer Gilroy is out of his own end when NHL forwards are blocking his lanes, or how he reacts after a guy like Vanek turns his heels inside out one on one, etc.) we may be praising BB once again. Call me a typical fan of the Buds if you will, but no matter how good or bad Gilroy turns out to be in the NHL I admire BB for setting his price and not wavering on an overaged-unproven-undrafted college player. Just imagine if JFJ was in charge going against Sather in a bidding war… yikes.
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As for the Islanders fans posting here, I personally love it. Not only have you guys brought in “different” perspectives on things, you have also indirectly preoccupied the minds of the daily whiners on the meaning of meaningless wins. Having said that, I will flat out call you liars if you tell me that you would rather have Snow as your GM over BB should you have the choice.
April 21st, 2009 at 8:49 am
Burke is throwing up a smoke screen. He doesn’t really want Taveres, imo he really wants Snow to draft him, which is why Burke is pushing. His ultimate goal is Tampa’s pick and with that he would choose Hedman. If for some reason Snow decides to draft Hedman over Taveres and Burke has the second pick, he will take Taveres. Its a win/win, furthermore, dealing with Tampa, Burke has a shot at also keeping the 7th pick, plus whatever he gets for Kaberle/Kubina. Man Burke has a full cupboard of options right now
April 21st, 2009 at 9:05 am
Kabs and Kubs + prospect and a Second for the 2nd overal and a bad contract?
April 21st, 2009 at 9:19 am
@ODD MAN RUSH
I’m telling you that it was reported by many sources including BB that the Leafs were offered going into the weekend before the trade deadline a 2nd round pick for Ian White and Brian Burke turned it down. He stated along the lines that he likes White’s determination and has a good head on his shoulders.
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In my estimation you undervalue what White brings to the table. Imagine that he had better stats than Kubina and gets paid about 1/5 the salary. That’s a keeper cause at worst he’s #4 dman and can work the PP.
April 21st, 2009 at 9:36 am
I dont think Tampa would take Kubina again for 5 mil.
I think something like
Kaberle, one of our top prospect we own (Tlusty, Kulemin, dido, D. Mitchell etc.), a roster player like Ponikarovsky, Stajan, Mayer, and at least one of our second round picks, plus either Virbada or Malones salary. If that ment to keep our 7th and get the second I would do it in a heart beat. Im imagine the combos we could have in a days time
Tavares/Cowen
Hedmen/Schenn <—- my personal favourite
Duchene/cowen
Tavares/Schenn
April 21st, 2009 at 9:40 am
Another thing I would LOVE too see Burke go for is
-keep our 7th
-trade for another 10-15 overall
-draft Schenn and Glennie
-so we end up keeping all our prospects without trading them
-get 2 solid players with solid chemestry
April 21st, 2009 at 10:02 am
Likeliest scenario:
The Leafs draft 5th overall. Make a trade with LA involving a second round pick or a roster player such as Stajan or Stempniak and we move up to #5 and take Brayden Schenn. The Leafs won’t be drafting 7th. I’ve heard PHX and LA scouts say they are high on Cowan and Paajarvi, respectively. They could let Brayden slide to 7th but will likely make Burke pay for him, and they will draft at #7, and get who they wanted all along.
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From there, we could trade one of Kaberle or Kubina plus Ponikarovsky for a mid-round 1st from Columbus or other mid-range team. With that pick we likely take Zach Kassian. A team like Columbus who is looking like they might get sweeped out of the first round of their first playoff appearance knows that they need some proven veteran experience for next season. They can’t afford to wait 2-3 years for another prospect to develop, especially with the thought of potentially losing Nash to free agency at the end of the year.
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Basically, the Leafs would be taking a centre and right-wing power forward that would define the core of the future Leafs as a rough, determined, gritty but skilled team. Tavares, Hedman, Duchene would be great but the price to pay for them would be too high when you can just as easily get two players who can drastically impact the culture of your team. They are Brian Burke prospects, more so than anyone else in the draft.
April 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
If the Leafs are in fact trying to move up the draft order, I would like to see Duchene in the blue and white, I think he can be a front line center in this league.
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If moving up doesn’t work. I’d like to see BB unload Kaberle for a mid 1st and a prospect. Regardless of where the Leafs wind up come time to make the announcement on the podium on draft day, I’m sure it will be a fruitful draft for the Leafs. After this draft, the Leafs will finally have a solid core of prospects IMO.
April 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am
@ Jordan April,
The Schenn-Glennie situation would be absolutely AMAZING. Both will need to go back to the W after this season for one more year, and both will most likely stay on the same line for that entire time. Both will most likely be candidates for the WJC and would be shoe-ins for the memorial cup in 2010 (Since Brandon will be the host city).
If Burke pulls that off, I will personally finance the Bronze statue of his likeness to be placed in front of the ACC !!!
April 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I don’t know much about Scott Glennie, what do you guys know about him? Why would he be selected ahead of Schroeder, Ellis or Kassian? I had my doubts about B Schenn, but when one scout compared him to Mike Richards, because he has a good 2 way game and demonstrates excellent leadership skills, I started thinking that maybe he’s not a product of Luke’s success.
April 21st, 2009 at 1:54 pm
I would dream to see Hedman – Schenn defense pairing. I can see Leafs can get Tampa to trade their 2nd round pick. Also the price for this pick doesn’t have to be so high because we took on the salary of TB, and we can pick up couple more salary from them. If Burke can pull this off, I would personally donate money to build a statue of him at ACC. LOL
April 21st, 2009 at 2:04 pm
i’m with jordan and bluebomber. drafting both schenn and glennie would be spectacular! schenn will be drafted higher, but i’ve heard that glennie may one day be the better player.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:58 pm
The Isles play in NY so they don’t get a penny of the revenue sharing. They actually are getting screwed if you ask me.
April 22nd, 2009 at 9:53 am
all i have to say is whatever burke does i hope he doesnt trade schenn. hes the best prospect the leafs have drafted in quite some time and i think it will be taking a step backward if the leafs decide to trade him
April 23rd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Garth “Dick Gobblin’” Snow can eat the shitty underwear that I threw out last week.
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