NY Post: Snow’s Counter Offer

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According to Larry Brooks of the New York Post, it seems that Islander GM Garth Snow has turned on the tables on Brian Burke. Apparently, “the Islanders would be willing to deal, all right . . . willing to deal for Toronto’s seventh-overall selection, that is.” Quite the interesting twist.

Sensing Burke’s “reluctance” to select at 7th overall, our buddy Garth Snow is offering to take that pick off Toronto’s hands in exchange for a package of draft picks in the first two rounds. As it stands, the Islanders are holding a wealth of early draft picks in the upcoming NHL Draft, including their own 1st overall selection, San Jose’s 1st round pick (26th-30th overall, acquired from Ottawa via the Campoli trade), their own 2nd round pick (31st overall), Toronto’s 2nd round pick (37th overall, acquired via the Luke Schenn trade), and Boston’s 2nd round pick (60th overall).

Supposedly, the counter-offer would include Toronto’s 7th overall pick going to the Islanders for San Jose’s 1st round pick, New York’s 2nd round pick, and Boston’s 2nd round pick. So basically, you’re getting a pick in the early 30′s and a pick in the early 60′s to move down from 7th overall to 26th-30th overall. If true, Snow must have a very short memory because he established the same price on Cliff Fletcher to move up TWO spots, never mind 20 spots at last year’s draft.

In a draft class that’s more top heavy than deep, quality not quantity is the name of the game, and Burke of all people knows this, having already outlined his desire to move up. That said, he hasn’t altogether ruled out the notion of trading down, but it would take a heckuva lot more than this. Most likely, this “rumor” is either someone’s imagination running a little wild, or Snow’s way of getting a jab back at Burke for being so open about his motives.

Rumors are going to be running rampant from now right up until the moment Burke walks up to the podium on draft day. Until then, take everything with a grain of salt and enjoy the ride.

Always a pleasure,

Alex Tran

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  • Strickland

    @vesku. You mean the point you made about how most of the expensive seats in the ACC are bought up by corporations, thus proving how loyal the Leafs fans are?

    Like I said, Leafs suffer from the same fate as the Rangers – rich corporations buy up the first level of the arena, pushing the actual fans to the rafters. If you’re going to compare fanbases, then no doubt, Leafs have more fans. No one argued that. You’re the #1 team in a good sized market. The Islanders COULD be big in their market, but they’ve put the fanbase through so much crap that they’ve got to earn that trust back.

    I know the Leafs are bad (so are the Isles) but there’s a difference between “bad” and “whatever it is the Isles inflicted on their fanbase.” I mean, in the past 15 years we’ve had, a criminal buy the team with no money, another guy who wound up in jail, another owner bought the team and tried to have the NVMC condemned, a circus clown GM trade an All-Star team of players for little in return, a back-up goalie turned GM (who might be an okay GM), about 10 coaches and zero (0) playoff series wins.

    And while I didn’t mean to bash the ML fanbase, there were some ignorant comments posted above that do nothing more than raise the ire of Isles fans.

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  • Strickland

    @BlueBudBC. You’re right, the Leafs ARE trying to improve. Burke helps that. But, do they have the assets to pull off the quick turnaround Burke wants? I don’t know. Meanwhile, while the Island might be a losing organization right now, they’re doing things in what I think is the right way. Slowly and steadily. Much like Chicago and Pittsburgh and Washington. Will Tavares and Okposo be on a few losing teams? Probably. But so were Ovechkin, Crosby, etc.

    What’s important is that they build a core the only way a less attractive to UFA’s team can — through the Draft. What’s kind of sad is that as an Islanders fan, I think they’ve got hope for the first time in years. And it’s not just Tavares. But he sure helps.

    I’ll go buy tickets now. I’ll support the team with my hard earned cash. But I make no apologies for refusing to support a team with Yashin as its captain or a team that can convince me that Mike Comrie is a worthy first line center.

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  • BlueBudBC

    @Strickland

    If this is the case, then you are in the exact same position as the Leafs are currently in, an organization that finally, after how many years, has something that may be worth enjoying and spending money on. The tone though you have set in this forum is one of somebody who has a point to prove, which I think was lost within all the bashing back and forth.

    The Islanders are a team with an upside right now, though still a couple years away (comparable to LA, though a little further back), much the same as the Leafs, so lets get back on track and do what is necessary….bash the Habs!!! Wow have they looked horrible! lol

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  • jq

    While the Isles and Leafs are in comparable building modes, this is probably the only similarity.

    MLSE is the flagship franchise financially and remains a historical pillar even if they haven’t produced a champion in 42 years.

    The media attention is relentless, and the new GM has decided to be upfront and blunt to defang the scribes. I’m not sure why it is wrong for Burke to make known that he wants to move up in the draft and if given the chance, he’ll take Tavares.

    Snow’s reaction (on the Am640) was transparent when he refused to name Burke and noted that he prefers to operate more discreetly. Then Snow decides to play the game by letting it be known his interest in the 7th pick. So, Mr. Snow just ruins whatever credibility he had on the matter.

    While it is understandable that those on the Island are feeling a bit underappreciated and beat up, a GM’s role is all about tactics. Rather than creating a maelstrom out of nothing, if Snow had laughed it off and thrown out his interest in the Leafs pick immediately, then the whole incident becomes nothing more than friendly banter.

    At this stage of the rebuilding teams, I’d much prefer friendly banter than fans pissed off at literally nothing. Let’s leave the animosity when it means something like the next time the two teams meet on the ice in the playoffs.

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  • ndk

    @Strickland – “a circus clown GM trade an All-Star team of players for little in return” what were you referring to? I never followed hockey history (a bit of a new age fan myself… probably why I’m still hopeful for the Leafs =D). Who was the GM and what did he trade?

    Guys stop bashing eachother. Discuss. Bashing is for the HB boards. (i know i was part of it… but i realized my err =P)

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  • CarltontheBear

    @ndk

    Mike Milbury would be that clown.

    To NYI:
    Trevor Linden

    TO Canucks:
    Todd Bertuzzi
    Bryan McCabe
    1998 3rd round pick (Jarkko Ruutu)

    To NYI:
    Mark Parrish
    Oleg Kvasha

    To Florida:
    Olli Jokinen
    Roberto Luongo

    To NYI:
    Alexei Yashin

    To Senators:
    Zdeno Chara
    Bill Muckalt
    2001 1st round pick (Jason Spezza)

    Those are just some of the few idiotic trades that he made that come to my mind, I’m sure there are more. Just think of what the Islanders would be like if they currently had Luongo, Jokinen, McCabe, Bertuzzi, Chara and Spezza…

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  • BlueBudBC

    @CarltontheBear

    I think they would be without an arena! HAHA

    All kidding aside though they would probably have been contending for the cup a couple times now, but that is hypothetical at this point. Who knows, maybe it was for the best he did that and the team would have had zero chemistry if he retained those names. What we can agree on though is he got screwed by whomever he traded with.

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  • K^2 Kid

    @strickland
    are you saying Leafs aren’t taking the step of slow and steady. Yeah, Burke said he wants to make the playoff next years, see the word here is “WANT”, every fucking GM wants to make the playoff, or maybe not your fucking Islander’s GM.
    As for your comment of pushing real fans to the 3rd level. Well this is the culture of the Leafs, we don’t care we sit in the press box or standing in front of the TV, we are supporting our team. So what if our 100 level seat are coporate holders, it is not like they are not the fans of Toronto Maple Leafs, who cares about their position, if they are the Leafs fan, i don’t give a shit.
    Yeah you should go support your team, and tell the ISLANDERS fans to do so too!!

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  • Roacho

    @STRICKLAND
    I wish the NY Isles all the best moving forward. Looks like they are committed to building through the draft which is the way to go. I don’t see them passing on Tavares, from a business perspective it would be too good to have this player in the fold.
    ~
    My view on the Leafs fans as I am a hardcore fan of the blue and white is as follows. Like many other teams you have your fans and your bandwagon fans. In Toronto for the reason I will outline after, there are far more loyal fans than bandwagon jumpers. Why? Unlike in Montreal where the fans are used to a storied history of winning and demand it year in and year out. In Toronto, due to the Stanley Cup drought fans have become TOLERANT to mediocrity. The average fan accepts TML failure and often makes excuses for the club’s state of being. They love their Leafs and have historically gone into seasons with unattainable expectations for the team. The Ballard era much like what NY Isles fans had to endure recently sucked the life out of the fanbase. What brought life to this franchise was the team managed by Cliff Fletcher, that re-ignited the passion in Toronto and fans have been excited ever since. Ask any Leafs fan 25 and over what they think of Kerry Fraser and that will show what passion Leafs fans have for the team. Like in Montreal, the NYI will fill the building once the ice a competitive team which shouldn’t be too long from now

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  • leafslunch

    sigh.

    is it draft time yet?

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  • Roacho

    What I meant to explain by the Kerry Fraser example is not to show Leafs fans passion, but asking a Leafs fan about this controversy with Fraser when the Leafs played the Kings in the conf Final, is that the passionate response you get when asking that question shows to what point Fletcher, Pat Burns, Gilmour, Clarke…. had a major role in re-capturing the imagination of a growing fanbase. Finally Leafs fans had something to get excited about and realized that maybe the Leafs would one day win the cup.

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  • Strickland

    @Roacho. You brought up a good point, the bandwagon fans. I’m sure the Leafs (like all popular teams ) have their fair share of bandwagon fans. That’s something the Isles lack, the casual fan. Let’s face it, to be an Islanders fan at this point, you’ve got to be nuts. That’s where JT helps. He gets the guy who had not interest in the Isles, interested in the Isles. Around the 2001-2002 season, the Isles sold out a ton of games. You guys remember how nuts the NVMC got for that playoff series. Except what was for you, a cool series in a string of series wins, was for a generation of Islanders fans, their one shining moment. A series we lost. I was 10 when David Volek scored to upset the Penguins. I’ve got that and Bates’ penalty shot. It’s all crap other than that. So I’m sorry if I come off as an ass. Isles fans need this. We don’t need a bigger team coming in and trying to bully Tavares to them. It’d kill the franchise.

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  • Old Man

    Roacho – You guys had Ballard, we had faceless evil owners. You had JFJr, we had Milbury. I think we have both had more than our fair share of hardship as fanbases.

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  • Roacho

    @OldMan
    that sums it up quite well. I’m not going to sit here and say that Ballard ruined my team cause I was born in ’83, but from what I gather he sure did suck the life out of the fanbase.
    @strickland
    once the arena issues are settled, JT shows his stuff and the team becomes respectable, I’m sure you’ll see some fans jump on the bandwagon.

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  • Roacho

    @Oldman
    I can admit however that Milbury was a nightmare compared to the reign of terror that saw MLSE puppet a helpless JFJ.

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  • K^2 Kid

    JFJ was indeed a nightmare for Leafs fans…that trade will hunt me for life, Rask for Raycroft *shivering*

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  • Odd Man Rush

    Can you believe anybody would say White is untouchable what a joke .The only reason he’s untouchable is because nobody wants him….We have to many FANs who think like JFJ,and thats scary…………..

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  • Roacho

    Burke was offered a 2nd rounder for White and he turned it down. Although that is the right price for his services, I see upside in keeping him cause in my mind he’s a poor man’s Brian Rafalski and he fits under the cap quite nicely. He’s not untouchable, but he’s hard to move, cause lets say the most you get offered for him is a 2nd rd pick, but that gets turned down and you know nobody will offer up a 1st rounder, so you’re then stuck unable to trade he guy. Maybe he’s overvalued in Toronto, but at his minimal cap hit and consistent game I think he’s worth keeping unless a 1st rounder comes our way which is unlikely.

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  • K^2 Kid

    White showed some offensive skills this year, and he is consistent on the defensive end. You never know what kind of player he might become, so i say keep him for another year see if he developed into a better player.

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  • Odd Man Rush

    If Burke could have gottten a second rd pick for White im sure he would have taken it . He’s ok for a 5th or 6th D but we have 8 of them. He had a good year with more ice time than he would have got on a good team just like Moore and Grabo 3 rd line players.We do not have a 1st or 2nd line player on D or up front on this team maybe Schenn in a year or 2 .Only time will tell. thats why BB is looking to sign top line players. Some of the kids we have may turn out to be top line players..We have a lot of good PROSPECTS , do i have to explain what that is ,don’t try and over rate them till they play in the NHL….We will SEE……..

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  • CarltontheBear

    Odd Man Rush, the comment you just made about White getting more icetime because of our lack of depth on defence is really rather ridiculous. White was benched the first couple of weeks of the season because there was no room for him on the team. He patiently waited for the opportunity to play and worked himself into a regular spot. The Leafs currently have an overabundance of Dmen.

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  • looshV

    Ian White shares the team lead in plus minus at a +6 on a team that allowed a staggering 286 goals against and he averaged 22:50 mins/sec for second highest on the team…that’s right more than Kubina, Schenn, Finger…etc. So please with this business that he is a 5/6 man because of the “lack of depth” on the Leafs blue line.

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  • HBM

    @ Odd Man Rush I have to disagree. I don’t think that a first will ever come our way for White as he is now. However the talk of Gilroy and what is his worth makes White an interesting topic for a couple of reasons.
    1) they are the same age
    2) they both showed tremendous heart and professionalism with how they reacted when told they weren’t good enough. (Matt with fighting hard even though he was undrafted. White for sitting out as a healthy scratch but working hard to make the team and stay with the team.)
    3)both are good skaters with excellent vision and a good first pass out of their zone.
    4)both have an gift at getting the puck through traffic on net.
    Now lets look at the differences.
    Gilroy is taller and has the potential skill set as White. More of a Burke type player, skill and size.
    White is a bonifide NHL’er who proved he belongs to be playing top 4 minuets. Gilroy was playing against 18-23 y/o and has not set a skate on NHL ice.

    The point is would you trade Gilroy right now for a second rounder? I would guess no. So why would you be so quick to dissmiss White when he is already playing at a NHL level and very much the same player as Matt Gilroy?

    I know you didn’t bring up Gilroy I am just trying to give you prespective on what we might have in a player. So don’t go undervalueing the players that have played well already in the NHL.

    On the D…..if you don’t see Kubina or Kaberle or Schenn as first line talent you will never be happy with what a team can do in this cap era.

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  • SASH

    To all non leaf fans on this site, why be here? this is leafs news. The Toronto Maple Leafs are the greatest sports franchise on the EARTH and this just kills the rest of you. I remember a lot of people questioning Burke and saying he ruined Anaheim, well last time I checked there beating the Stanly Cup Fav’s 2-0. My point is the future has never been brighter for the Leafs, and I beleive the winnings seasons will be at our door much sooner, then expected. If we had stronger goaltending this year, we would of been playing Boston last night. Sure we may of been stinking it up, but at least we would of got some playoff hockey. Anyway again, to all you leaf haters, why dont you hit up NYIhotstove.com. I’m thinking the reason you dont is because Garth Snow is the only one on there, messaging himself. GO LEAFS GO!!!

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