Clarification

Over the past 24 hours or so, there has been a ton of speculation regarding the rumoured Toronto-Tampa Bay trade talks.  Before these rumours start spinning too far out of control, perhaps a bit of clarification on how this all got started may be in order.  As such, I’ve been doing some digging this evening to try to straighten out the story.

Here’s the update on the recent rumours flying around Leafland, from what I’ve been able to gather.

1.  HNIC’s Elliotte Friedman broke the rumour of the Leafs 1st round pick for the Lightning’s 1st plus Ryan Malone, on the Fan 590, saying “everyone around the league is convinced” that the Leafs will wind up with the second overall pick.

2.  Shortly thereafter, ex-Blue Jackets’ GM Doug MacLean broke the rumour on Sportsnet that the Lightning were demanding the Leafs 1st, plus Kaberle and Schenn, for the 2nd overall pick.   The report suggested the story was confirmed by Leafs GM Brian Burke via email.  More on this in a moment.

3.  Brian Burke is said to be right pissed at Sportsnet, and at MacLean, over that report.  Burke had to scramble to call both Schenn and Kaberle to tell them that no deal had been discussed, and to disregard all media reports of a possible deal.  Good luck to Sportsnet, and particularly MacLean, for landing any inside info from the Leafs in the near future.

4.  What’s the story with the supposed email MacLean referred to in his report?   A few possibilities:

(a) Burke and MacLean had an email exchange where Burke suggested the Lightning wanted too much for the pick. Burke was upset that it was reported it on air, and is now trying to quash it. I could certainly see the story developing out of that; Schenn and Kaberle’s names were bandied about at the deadline in reference to Tampa Bay, so it would be reasonable speculation to plug them into a story about TB wanting a heavy price for their pick.

(b) A “source” told MacLean that the source or someone close to the source had received or been forwarded said email, and MacLean ran with that without seeing the email himself.

(c) The email MacLean received was a fake, and he got played in front of a national audience.   Normally I would disregard this possibility, but the Brian Burke fake Twitter fiasco is still way too fresh to brush this possibility aside.

(d) There was no email and the whole thing was speculation.   Which I think is highly unlikely … MacLean doesn’t strike me as the sort of guy to just make something like this up out of thin air.

5.  Another rumour, whose origins remain somewhat unclear but are likely tied to members of the media picking up on MacLean’s report, broke suggesting that what was actually discussed was the Leafs 1st, plus Kaberle OR Schenn, plus Grabovski OR Tlusty, for the Lightning’s 1st overall pick, a prospect, and Ryan Malone.

6.  The latest iteration of the rumour (#5 above) has picked up a fair bit of momentum online, but has yet to see serious play on the airwaves.  There is probably nothing to it, although the speculation involved seems far more realistic than MacLean’s version of the rumour, for whatever that may be worth.

7. MacLean’s report has been denounced as completely false by just about everyone connected to the Maple Leafs and Lightning.  Burke’s response was that there was not a remote possibility he would make such a deal.

8. Friedman’s report has been denounced as completely false by just about everyone connected to the Maple Leafs and Lightning.  Burke’s response was that such a deal “has not been discussed on [the Leafs'] end.”   The Score’s rumour blog reported that team sources claimed the Lightning are enamored with Hedman, and not at all eager to trade the pick.

9. All hell continues to break loose in the Barilkosphere as trade speculation runs rampant in Leaf Nation.

10.  The only thing anyone really knows for sure is that it is possible that someone from the Leafs and someone from the Lightning could have been in touch, and that the possible price of the 2nd overall pick may possibly have been the topic of discussion.   In other words, the only thing anybody knows for sure is that nobody knows anything for sure.   It’s pure speculation, at this point … on all sides.

That’s the story thus far, from what I can tell.  Feel to make of it what you will.

GB

  • Chance

    Agreed with Hockey_Guru.
    How long till Luke gets the “C”?

  • HBM

    @Odd man I have been supporting this team for well over a decade now…so bandwagon I think not more the fan that is sick and tired of seeing young talent shipped out for what if scenarios. I have had it up to here with MLSE and Luke Schenn would be just another thing this team did amoungst others that would send me over the edge. Schenn overrated not at all he’s a defensive defense man and is going to be one hell of one at that. Look at Detroit a good mix of defensive and offensive minded D men.
    I could care less if he pots 40 points a season as long as he buries guys infront of the net and sticks up for his team. If he’s traded for a pick I would puke. Especially when goal production is not what this team lacks…..it’s D and grit.
    Why does this team need star power ??? to sell tickets , or is it merch……… TML doesn’t and we should take advantage of building a team and not a gatorade commercial.

  • Dave

    Why would Burke want 2nd overall, and not 1st. I thought that Garth Snow liked Tavares more than Hedman.

  • canucksnaphook

    43 days to go.

  • LT73
  • the_cause2000

    The only deal I’d take is TBay 1st and Malone for Toronto 1st. Every other deal is a rip off and I’d rather keep the 7th overall pick, or try another avenue and move up to the 4th or 5th spot…

    Trading Schenn to get Hedman seems like a sideways step anyway? agreed?

  • http://gfejag hockey_Guru

    It makes no sense to trade schenn for another pick when he was a top 5 last year, and as we know around here, they don’t grow on trees.

    @ Dave:

    Burke might not even want Tavares… how often have we seen Burkie play the media to try and get what he wants? I think he might be trying to force snow’s hand into taking Tavares because Burke really has his eyes set on Hedman or Duchene. The more I think about it, the more I am convinced Burke wants Hedman though… build from the net out… and a big offensively gifted Dman to play with Schenn who is big but not offensive at all.

    Personally, I really want to grab Duchene, his skating ability is the best in the draft and he really seems like a leader. He plays the WHOLE game, not just scoring like Johnny T. Either way, a top 3 pick will ensure a franchise player IMO. Either way, next year is going to be one hell of a ride!!

  • Chance

    Someone made a parallel to selecting Duchene this year and then (if we’re lucky/unfortunate enough) selecting Taylor Hall in next years draft; having two players similar to Toews and Kane. Even if we got Brayden Schenn I’ve heard he plays a game similar to Mike Richards.
    Regardless of who we pick I am just way to damn excited for draft day and the upcoming season. I mean RJ Umberger was traded for a first round pick. I can’t imagine what Burke wants/will get for Kaberle.

  • Goal Post

    Any word on the negotiations with Gustavsson. I read some comments from Ron Wilson stating he thought Gustavsson stole a game away from the US squad. Other than that there has been no chatter.

  • frankspanky

    Burke
    wants
    Duschenne

    ….the end

  • Mizuno

    @Chance Yup that was me lol!!

  • JMAC

    @ Goal Post

    Gustavsson’s mother is gravely ill and he left the WC to be by her side. Burke respecfully helped arrange flightes ect for him and said he will not be pushing contract negotions until his family situation was settled.

    Gustavsson did say he will be in the NHL next year and will make a discion in the next couple of weeks

  • HBM

    @ hockey guru: Personally I would rather Cowen I think he is going to be the steal of the draft especially if he falls as far as 7th. I would love an attempt at the 5th pick to secure him and keep our 7th to pick the best center available. Cowen is only an inch shorter then Hedman but hits harder plays bigger. Not as much of the offense as Hedman but I think Shea Weber when I see Cowen.

  • Schenn

    Wouldn’t it be great if Burke could somehow aqcuire the 5th and 6th overall picks in order to draft J. Cowen and B. Schenn!!

  • http://gfejag hockey_Guru

    @ HBM:

    Yes, Cowen was ranked high in the beginning but has dropped due to injury. Can the Leafs really afford to take a risk on a guy who’s already had a knee injury? I have visions of Carlo Colaiacovo dancing in my head…

    It sucks trying to decide which guys to draft, because I want them all!! haha

    Hedman never impressed me at the WJC and that’s the only time I saw him play. I heard he was injured, so maybe that is why he didn’t live up to the big hype. If only Burke could swing a deal to keep our 7th and acquire the 2nd overall. Then we could get Duchene and Cowen… I would be happy with that. If Cowen is already scooped up by 7, then we have a shot at Schenn or MSP. I know it’s a pipe dream, but that’s what the off season is for haha

  • HBM

    It was said of Carlo that he wasn’t in good enough shape which caused all his injuries. I think that Cowen will be so spurred on to disprove the injury has slowed him down that he will be in the lineup all year. My problem with Hedman is is physical play. He’s soft and has a tendency to hold on to the puck to much. Ithink that we have enough O minded D men that we should try for another corner stone stalwart in a Cowen typ guy.

    All this talk of Ellis i don’t buy….. we already have an Ian White why do we need 2.0. I think people overvalue offense especially on the blueline.. He’s shorter then White even.

    I would love Duchene but I don’t see a move up that far costing to much, either to much salary or picks. This is why I don’t mind a move up to 5th while keeping the 7th as high hopes but not impossible.

  • HBM

    edit I would love Duchene but I see a move up that far costing to much, either to much salary or picks.

  • http://www.tmlfans.ca Schenn

    I’d love for the Leafs to acquire the 5th overall pick and end up with 2 of Schenn, Cowen and MSP!!

  • Jordan

    I think if Burke doesnt get JT he will go for Schenn and/or Cowen. He loves Luke Schenn so Im sure he would want to clone him for forward lol

  • Amoroq

    @canucksnaphook

    When my current season ticket expires that is all she wrote for me.

    40 days and 40 nights till the draft!