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I’ve been trading a few emails of late with some “non-sources” (I want to be very clear about that) employed by various media outlets in the Toronto area, to get their take on the rapidly-churning Maple Leafs‘ rumour mill.

Although these folks are obviously not directly tied to anyone you would call a “source” affiliated with a team, their insight is often valuable as they are privy to more of the backroom chatter with those who are connected to the so-called “sources”.

The following is a compilation of some of the chatter that has been bandied about.  Nothing overwhelming here, although it is beginning to appear that some of the rumours floating around the Maple Leafs of late may have more to them than originally anticipated … and others, far less.

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Here we go, in no particular order:

Mikhail Grabovski:
“If he doesn’t re-sign in Toronto, he will wind up in the KHL.  Most of the talking heads feel didn’t do enough last season for the Leafs to recoup the 2nd rounder they gave up for him via trade or offer sheet.  But there are idiots everywhere, so who knows?”

Tomas Kaberle:
He’s at the heart of every major rumour due to that rare combination of all-star skill, affordability, and an expired NTC.  However, it must be understood that Brian Burke is quite content to hang onto Kaberle through the 2009-10 season.  “Burke will look to move him because of his trade value, but if an acceptable deal cannot be made, Kaberle is still an asset to the Maple Leafs.”

Pavel Kubina:
Quote 1:  “He’s a Ron Wilson favorite, he is expensive, and he has lost a step with age.   Those are all reasons he is not likely to be traded.   His experience is an asset for a young team and he is effective on the PP … more reasons he is not likely to be traded.”   Quote 2:  “Either Kubina goes, Kaberle goes, or neither goes.  But not both.  The one thing we can be sure of is that at least one of those two will be on the roster next season.”

Luke Schenn:
Luke Schenn is not going anywhere, unless a future star is coming back the other way.  “Not. Gonna. Happen.” was the direct quote I received on this one.

Jay Bouwmeester:
In the event that Tomas Kaberle is traded this offseason, Burke will target  a certain puck-moving defenseman on the free agent market … to a certain price point.  “The team has enough confidence in the young guys (White, Stralman) to risk striking out in free agency, should a deal involving Kaberle come along which is too good to pass up.”

Marion Gaborik:
It is highly unlikely that Marion Gaborik comes to Toronto.   “Too many $$$ for too few games.”  If he doesn’t stay in Minnesota, LA and Vancouver are the only two teams who (as of now) are seriously interested.

Jonas Gustavsson:
It is beginning to look as though Jonas Gustavsson will sign with either Dallas or Toronto.  “Pro: he gets to play sooner, and more often, in Toronto.  Con: the media pressure, and constant attention, that comes with playing in Toronto.”

Ryan Malone:

The swapping-picks-taking-back-salary rumour with Tampa Bay that Toronto reporters have been salivating over the past few weeks is rapidly losing credibility.  “Ryan Malone’s contract was front-loaded for a reason.  Forget the cap number, his actual salary will decline over the next few seasons making him easily affordable for TB.   The TB sports media – who are far more connected to the team than anyone here in Toronto – have spent the last few weeks laughing at how ridiculous these rumours are.”

Rick Nash:
Very unlikely to happen.  From a contact in Ohio:  “The only way Rick ends up in Toronto is via trade.   Scott Howson won’t let him hit the FA market without getting something in return.   And it would take much more than a Kaberle to get Nash, guaranteed.  And no, Hitch doesn’t want a headcase like Grabovski.   But that’s all beside the point.  Why would Nash want to leave a team as stacked for the future as the Jackets are, to come to the mess that is the Leafs?  Everyone I’ve talked to says he loves it here.”  Agreed.

The Sedins:
Multiple people have mentioned that the Sedins-to-Toronto talk is seriously heating up (Toronto Sports Media is reporting the same thing, so I’m far from the only one hearing this).   I put out the following questions to the email list in response:  The twins have not performed to expectation in Vancouver, so how well will they manage under the spotlight of Toronto?   And has their play justified the money they want? I got a quick answer:  “Not well, and no way.”

Mats Sundin:
Word is, members the Leafs front office has been very coy when asked about the possibility of Mats Sundin returning to the team.   “It’s the ghost of JFJ … the neither confirm nor deny approach.”  Read into that what you will.

Trading Up 1:
“Everyone keeps forgetting it’s a deep draft this year.   Burke will not give up the farm to move up four or five spots with this many good players available.  Even if the Islanders decide to put the top pick on the market, Burke will not set his team back just to get that one pick.”   I agree.  It takes more than one player to build a team, and everything he would give up in that deal would have to be replaced, which could take years to do.  And if the player you draft after making such a trade flops … disaster.

Trading Up 2:
“Brian Burke was not lying when he said he was interested in drafting John Tavares.   If he cannot move up high enough (or if the price is too high) to draft him, he is supposedly quite intrigued by the speed Matt Duchene could bring to the lineup.  But who isn’t?”  I’ve also heard that should an acceptable deal to move up far enough in the draft not be available, speculation is that Burke would be quite content to make a smaller move in order to secure Brayden Schenn at 5 or 6.

Trading Up 3:
“Don’t bet on a trade with Colorado to move into the #3 spot in the draft.   The Avalanche are in need of two things:  goaltending, and scoring depth.  The Leafs can help them with neither.”  It stands to reason that if the Avs do indeed move their 3rd overall pick, it will be to trade down and stockpile additional picks.

Old Hat:
And, finally, the rumour that will never die.   Kaberle-for-Jordan Staal has been bandied about since last year’s offseason.   With Ryan Whitney no longer in Pittsburgh, and Sergei Gonchar’s durability a serious concern, not to mention the centre depth on the Penguins, the rumour does make a ton of sense.   No one I’ve talked to has received any real indication that it could actually happen, but it’s worthwhile to mention eyebrows are raised that the chatter has lasted as long as it has.

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That’s it for the rumour roundup, courtesy of my non-sources in the backrooms of the Toronto media machine.    I want to stress that there is nothing substantive to any of these rumblings; they are merely snippets of the chatter that has been going on amongst people closer to those in the know than most of the rest of us.

Remember that it’s all just talk – and though talk is cheap (in this case, free!) – it is nevertheless intriguing.

Cheers,
GB

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  • Fiend

    To Dan I’m glad you’re not the GM – 1) the Leafs D sucks and 2) Grabbo will probably go to arbitration and it’ll be around 2.5 mil. Period. Thinking overwise you’ve lost your mind.

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  • http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com Pension Plan Puppets

    The twins have not performed to expectation in Vancouver, so how well will they manage under the spotlight of Toronto? And has their play justified the money they want?

    The Sedins have definitely performed this past year and up to a certain level (I’d say around $6M) their play justifies their contract demands: http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/4/18/843358/why-the-sedins-have-arrived-as

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  • Dan

    @ Fiend
    What the fuck does the Leafs D have anything to do with this conversation?
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    And Grabovski… yes he is a selfish, stubborn hockey player who is going to take a respected and equally stubborn Leafs GM to arbitration after one decent season? And you think Burke will pay him what he wants? No. He will get traded or let his whiney euro ass walk to the K.
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    I’m saying he’s worth no more than 2M at this stage. Others are saying they’d give him 3.25, and I’m the one who’s lost my mind?

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  • CarltontheBear

    @Jordan

    I think it’s in Dale Mitchell’s best interest to see some time with the Marlies before jumping up to the Leafs to play 4th line minutes.

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  • CarltontheBear

    @Dan

    How do you expect Grabovski to make over 500k less than Stempniak? Not going to happen. It’s one thing to offer a player what he’s worth and have him refuse and leave for the KHL, but if Burke won’t offer him more than 2mil he’s not offering him what he’s worth and then it’s really not selfish of him to walk.

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  • Dan
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  • Dan

    Stempniak is actually the perfect example of what not to do with Grabovski here.

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  • leafs4life

    what about offering grabovski 2 mil plus incentives which could bring it up to no more than 2.7 mil. make the incentives based on team play and not so much individual stats. some personal achievements can be mixed in there but it should be based on like team points, wins, making the playoffs, advancing to the second round and third round, that kind of stuff. i think that would be good for him. if he has a bad attitude i think ron wilson and his coaching staff will get that out of him quickly. i could see him changing his team play as the season wore on. especially when playing with ponikarovsky. i think this year will be a very good year for grabovski, if he gets signed, and will hopefully show more skill than we saw last year. i think his potential is very good.

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  • Paynter Graham

    Still think the Leafs will re-sign Grabovski – and trade him – hopefully in a package for a 1st round draft pick – Atlanta’s?

    Do like leafs4life idea of a “team concept” though for Grabovski’s contract!

    Can someone please tell me why we ever traded Steen and Colaiacovo (spelling?) for Stempniak? Not much salary difference! Was that Fletcher’s idea or Burke’s?

    Dale Mitchell’s stock is rising – Grabovski, Mitchell and Ponikarovsky to Atlanta? I’d do that for #4! Would Atlanta?

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  • Wendel_Rules

    @ paynter 3 players for one pick ……NOT A CHANCE! Stempniak better be off the leafs in 2009!

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  • Paynter Graham

    Wendal_Rules – perhaps you’re right? I just have a gut feeling that Brian Burke is not a big fan of Grabs. If we could get, say Evander Kane, I just think it might be worth it.

    Not sure how highly rated a prospect Dale Mitchell is? Is he a blue chipper?

    Perhaps this is a stupid question, but, can someone tell me, the trade deadline like was back in February, when can teams start making trades again – at the draft – or before?

    Stempniak off the books, I agree, but how?

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  • Chance

    Trade freeze lasts until the post season is over. You could buy out Stemps contract, throw him in the minors and attempt to trade him.
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    Dale Mitchell is a gritty third line fourth line guy who’s described as having the frame of a fire hydrant. He’s having a great playoffs with Windsor and carrying that momentum into the memorial cup it seems.

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  • Jordan

    @ Paynter Graham
    Your right about Stepniak not being on the team next year. Its easy, place him on wavers and if nobody takes him hello Marlies. But your dead wrong on Steen/Colaiacovo. Colaiacovo couldnt stayhealthy for the 5-6 years he was here. After the lockout he only played 108 game out of a possible 328. Even in 2002 when I watch the World Juniors here in Halifax he was hurt with a broken hand. We have enough depth players on defence right now so his 1/3 avalability is no loss.
    As for Steen, all I have to say is he is GARBAGE. Did you ever look a his stats? Stepniak is miles ahead of him, and a way better player. Fletcher did dump about $400 000 of salary, and now its easier to dump one player you dont want then 2. Oh and heres Steens stats the last few years….

    06-07 15g 20a 35p
    07-08 15g 27a 42p
    08-09 8g 20a 28p -10
    Thats pretty bad because he played with Sundin alot, and he was invisible alot of the time. I am glad he made that trade even though Stepniak hasnt worked out, but still he puts up better numbers

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  • Paynter Graham

    Yea Jordan, I agree with you on Steen, decent skater but we’re not figure skating – and to some degree Colaiacovo. No doubt about it injury prone, but some talent when healthy, “when” being the key word! I was always the first guy to say trade him, when healthy!
    Guess I am just very disappointed in Stempniak, and how we are stuck with him. Don’t see much hope in trading him, so, I guess it is “Hello Marlies”! Of course play him – and we could be in the Taylor Hall sweepstakes – but can’t see us going that route!

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  • B Leaf

    @Leafs4life
    Your right. My comments were harsh. I will try to do better. I was reacting in defence of Grabovski. I personally do not know him, but I have seen nothing or heard nothing that would suggest he has any head problems at all. The “headcase” comment the first time I heard it came from Nick Kypreos who ironically truly is a headcase (cuncussed). Anyway I just think the negatives thrown Grabovskis way originates with Leaf haters.
    I do not appreciate opinions that cast shadows over someone without any facts, whether it repeats someone else or not.
    Thanks for you insightful comments and well meaning criticisms.

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  • B Leaf

    Here are some questions I would love comments on:

    If Duchene is so good why did Kane get the nod over him for the world juniors???

    If Cowan stayed healthy, where does he get picked???

    Has anyone heard updates on Chris Didomenico?

    If Didomenico heals properly the Leafs have a fantastic 3rd line for the future in Dale Mitchel, Chris Didomenico, and Victor Stalberg. Agree???

    Just how bad is Tampa Bays financial situation? How do you know??

    Thanks
    B Leaf

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  • Jordan

    @beleaf

    -I think Duchene has shown that his potental is alot higher then others while Kane is a scoring machein right now. Thats why he got the nod
    -If Cowen was healthy I bet he would be top 5 for sure. Thats why whatever team picks him will get a steal, just like Hodgson at 10th last year
    -Didomenico broke both his femer and kneecap. Last I heard he left the hospital almost 2 weeks ago after getting pins in his leg. The leaf staff will be rehabing him so he should come out ok.
    -There are even more prospect who would make a great 3rd line but we still are in need of that one number 1 center to build around which sucks
    -Vinny will be traded for sure I have been hearing from everyone I know even close to anyone who deals with rumours. I would bet he is for sure as well because when asked by the media he just says “they said they will let me know when something happens”. Thats far from when they ALL said he wouldnt be traded, but then weeks after that trade names were surfaced in the media. I would guess Montreal but really what can the offer? Al Strachan says L.A. is making a huge push too on his notebook thing so who knows

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  • CarltontheBear

    @B Leaf

    I believe the reasoning behind Kane making team Canada over Duchene and Schenn was because Duchene was the best offensive talent between the three, Schenn was the most physical and Kane was the most well rounded which was what they were looking for.

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