Marlies on the Ball; Gilbert Not Renewed

by on June 7, 2009 in Uncategorized - 24 Comments

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While the Leafs made the decision not to renew Marlies coach Greg Gilbert, some of the players are truly on the ball.

Some Marlies have traded their skates for runners, augmenting any off season training program with participation in a Tier II ball hockey league.

Marlies, Darryl Boyce (3-5-5-10), Phil Oreskovic (5-2-3-5) – Andrew and Jason Oreskovic too – and Kris Newbury (2-0-1-1) are ranked there.

The biggest surprise, Justin Pogge - throwing away more than just skates – ranked third in scoring (5-5-2-7). Yes, that was right, he’s playing out, not as a goalie.

Those who’ve played organized ball hockey, know how an orange ball hockey ball behaves very differently from a puck. The ball hooks and curves and is quite unpredictable. The game is different, a game of passing and positioning more so than ice hockey. Add a floating blueline (once the zone is gained onside, the red line at center becomes the ‘blue’ ine to clear the zone .. defensemen set up in the offensive part of center ice instead of inside the blueline) and it changes the complexion of the game.

The one good aspect of playing in a polished cement floor rink is the necessity to keep feet moving, a trait that scouts love to see with players on the ice. There’s no way of floating out there in a ball hockey court. It could be a very good experience for all those playing it out.

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Greg Gilbert

Brian Burke, president and general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, announced Friday that the club will not renew the contract of Toronto Marlies head coach Greg Gilbert. Marlies assistant coaches Joe Paterson and Jim Hughes have been given permission to pursue other opportunities.

“Greg has been a valuable and loyal member of our organization,” said Burke. “We appreciate the dedication of the Marlies’ coaching staff and we wish them well in their future endeavours.”

Greg Gilbert completed his third season behind the bench with the Marlies in 2008-09. Prior to joining the Marlies, Gilbert coached the Worcester IceCats (AHL), the Calgary Flames and the Mississauga IceDogs (OHL).

Courtesy of mapleleafs.com

The drastic change undergone in minor league affiliate. Its a big impact for Gilbert.

I’ve found the coach was put into a difficult position starting from the first season at Ricoh, taking the upstart Marlies to a North Division crown, and a deep run into the third round of the Calder Cup Playoffs, one series away from the Finals, primarily with a lunch pail crew. Injuries to Robbie Earl and Darryl Boyce and omissions like Jeremy Williams and Anton Stralman forced him to juggle secondary talent getting the most out of the players in the lineup.

He had the biggest impact with John Mitchell, who looked ready for an NHL spot during the 2007-08 Calder Cup Playoffs, earning the spot at training camp, and further a developing third line center role for the parent club, Toronto Maple Leafs.

Gilbert will likely be eulogized as the coach that decided veteran Scott Clemmensen would start in the playoffs over Justin Pogge, much to the head-scratching chagrin of Leafs fans, media and some scouts. The decision in retrospect wasn’t bad in terms of performance from the veteran netminder – simply outstanding at crucial times with the Baby Buds on the ropes. But it didn’t do much for the development for Pogge. Or did it?

Pogge nailed to the bench, may in retrospect be one of the best for his long-term development. To be a professional, one has to learn to conduct himself as a professional, and this situation certainly was a deep lesson for the young netminder.

Last season, with even less offensive talent in the lineup, the Marlies struggled into the playoffs and bowed out to the Manitoba Moose in the opening round.

The essence of being a good coach is using the talent in the lineup to it’s fullest value, with the added responsibility of developing the talent at the minor league level for preperation for the NHL.

Gilbert was a primarily defensive coach with a dissimilar style to Leafs bench boss, Ron wilson, and quite possibly one of the reasons he wasn’t renewed.

Listening to him talk about the game emphasized a strong back end leading to transition and scoring chances. A very smart x’s and o’s tactician, who stressed accountability and execution, regardless of game results. He was very open with his feelings, without tipping his hat to strategy.

Not likely to be without a job for long, Gilbert earned a lot of accolades for the work done with the Marlies.

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  • Burn

    I wasn’t pleased with his coaching in this playoffs. Guys like Hollweg and Hamilton got more ice time than Tlusty and Stapleton. At one point with the Marlies trailing 2-0 to start the second period he went 5 mins without putting Tlusty or Stapleton on the ice. He started the second with Hollweg’s line, then went to the Hamilton line, then they got a penalty and then another and finally the Moose scored a PP goal with 2-man advantage. After over 5 mins without playing and now being down 3-0 the Tlusty/Stapleton line went out for the first time in the second period. Plus it took him 5 games to put Stalberg into the lineup. In his 2 games he showed that he could be one of the best players for the team, but Gilbert hardly played him.

    I don’t know if he’d be interested, but my suggestion would be Stan Butler. I also came across Don Hay and think that he’d be a good candidate. Someone at another site suggested Craig Hartsburg. I like those 3 suggestions. What do you think of the suggestions Gus? What are the readers suggestions??

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    Not sure about Butler or Hay, but I’m not a fan of Hartsburg. I considered him to be a source for the problems with Ottawa at the beginning of the season. Part of a coach’s effectiveness like I outlined is about utilizing his resources to their potential. With the Sens, considering the lack of mobility and footspeed from the back end, they kept reverting to starting the play from a static position behind the net. This in turn limited the speed of forwards going through the neutral zone and play after play, the opposition picked off passes, or broke up plays before it hit their blueline. Surely he would have recognized this as a weakness, and gave him the benefit of the doubt until a quarter way through the season, they were still doing this! It’s no wonder he was let go. Granted he’s had success with the Canadian Jrs and in the OHL, but not sure he’s a candidate.

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  • Leafer_84

    I won’t miss Gilbert at all. I don’t think he’s a terrible coach by any means and I know that the goal for any coach is to win but the bottom line is that the AHL is a developmental league. When you sacrifice the development of young players with the hope that a bunch of career AHLers will win you a few more games you are not doing your job, IMO.

    He didn’t give the young guys the ice time they needed and totally botched Pogge’s development (either the benching hurt it or he didn’t address any problems early enough to avoid needing to bench him later on). I hope Burke puts a guy in there that puts the emphasis on developing future Toronto Maple Leafs players but still can manage to make the team competitive enough to draw a crowd.

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  • http://www.tmlfans.ca Schenn

    GOOD!!!
    I’ll never forgive him for playing Clemmenson ahead of Pogge in last years playoffs!

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  • Burn

    @ GUS, I agree with the HArtsburg thing, just suggesting it since someone else on another site mentioned it. When you say you’re not sure about Butler or Hay what do you mean? Do you mean they wouldn’t be good candidates in Burke’s eyes(doesn’t fit with his profile) or that you don’t think they’d be suitable overall or that they might not be interested??

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    @Burn – never took those coaches into consideration. Sometimes coaches are better at specific points in players development, and maybe Hay falls under that. Butler did great with the Battalion, and the WJC. Perhaps both are good candidates. Don’t really have an opinion on either.

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  • CarltontheBear

    lol nice play on words in the title Gus

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    Carlton, I keep telling people I’m more than a pretty face … haha.. maybe one day they’ll believe me …

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  • Burn

    @ Gus, OK. What would your preference be, if you have one?

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  • Patrick

    I’m glad he’s gone. I hate the positive spin people continue to try to put on Pogge being sat for the 08 playoffs. He shouldn’t have been sat, it’s pretty simple. Horrible decision on Gilberts part, and it should have cost him his job last year.

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  • Joshua Gilbert

    i’ll never forgive fletcher for signing joesph and letting clemmenson go

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  • Brian

    what about Doug Gilmour?

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  • Joshua Gilbert

    nah… he just started coaching in junior.. i think he would want to become a better coach before making a jump to the ahl

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  • Joshua Gilbert

    what about steve ludzik
    he’s coached at this level before
    he seems like a burke kind of guy straight up no non sense type of person
    seems like he knows his x’s and o’s

    steve koulie thinks he’s qualified for a nhl job
    whats your opinion on him gus and/or other readers?

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  • Peter Bruins

    Simply put this coaching staff did not cause Pogge, Stralman or others to improve enough to make them more valuable as potential NHL players for the Leafs. I love the move to retool this coaching staff. With all the young player signings I will follow the Marlies a great deal next year, they promise to be young and fast.

    Didomenico, Dale Mitchell, Stefanovich, Strahlberg, Bozak, Hansen, Tlusty and others will blossom under the right coaching and can be made available to the blig club.

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    @Burn – I am not sure about who would be considered a good coach. Burke might go out on a different tangent.

    @Joshua Gilbert – Wasn’t Ludzik the coach that sat Cam Neely and Kevin Stevens for an entire game just to show his dominance/ Not sure this is any better a choice than Gilbert was.

    @ Peter Bruins – I liked Gilbert’s hockey accumen, and there are other reasons Pogge wasn’t started. Stralman is a good talent, but felt he deserved a shot at the big club without any time in he minors. He told me about going to the Worlds two seasons ago was to be playing against the best players in the World (sort of true), but to become a good NHL player, one must learn to grind out a long, arduous playoffs schedule. Fletcher allowed him to play in the Worlds, but he played in the AHL Calder Cup Playoffs this season prior to hitting the Swedish Team for the Worlds in Switzerland …

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  • Joshua Gilbert

    @ Gus Katsaros – I’m not an old guy but didn’t Steve Ludzik and Cam Neely play in the same era… not sure if Ludzy would have been coaching Cam…

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  • Burn

    @ Gus, Ludzik never coached Neeley or Stevens. He coached TB for 2 seasons, but was mostly in the IHL and a little in the AHL.

    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=3223

    I think that you may have been thinking of Steve Kasper.

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  • http://www.McKeenshockey.com Kats

    Yes! Kasper. That was it. My mistake.thanx guys.

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  • leafs4life

    didnt ludzik coach chicago blackhawks as well for a short time?

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  • shrapnel

    Guess that’s what happens when you switch goalies in game 6 two years in a row. How can your prospects be steady with mr.panic running the show? Here’s hoping the leafs can persuade Hunter to coach the marlies.

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  • Wags

    If Patrick Roy can coach a NHL team or so they say, I think it is time to let Dougy Gilmour have a crack at it, if he doesn’t want it, how about Rick Vaive, former leaf and canuck Burkie should like that…

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  • CarltontheBear

    Patrick Roy has been coaching junior a few years longer than Dougie, or Vaive.

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