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		<title>By: Tampa real estate info here</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tampa real estate info here</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Tampa real estate info here...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Dan J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joshua - Depending on his development, yes, he could be 3rd/4th line with additional minutes on possibly the second PP and definately the PK. He&#039;s good don&#039;t get  me wrong I just don&#039;t think Stajan should be a second line centre unless he has a breakout season of 60 or more points. Last season could&#039;ve been considered breakout for him but overall, yes 3rd line maybe 4th on a team like Detroit or Pittsburgh, which is ideally what the Leafs are trying to become, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joshua &#8211; Depending on his development, yes, he could be 3rd/4th line with additional minutes on possibly the second PP and definately the PK. He&#8217;s good don&#8217;t get  me wrong I just don&#8217;t think Stajan should be a second line centre unless he has a breakout season of 60 or more points. Last season could&#8217;ve been considered breakout for him but overall, yes 3rd line maybe 4th on a team like Detroit or Pittsburgh, which is ideally what the Leafs are trying to become, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter Bruins  i agree with you 100% man we need to hold on to stajan... hes 25 had 50 points last season i believe he led all forwards in the hitting as well... look at burrows in van city he looked like a 3rd line plug before now hes the perfect winger along side the sedins...
@ dan j.. you think stajan is a 4th line center???.. your just another negative leafs fan who doesnt know a thing about hockey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter Bruins  i agree with you 100% man we need to hold on to stajan&#8230; hes 25 had 50 points last season i believe he led all forwards in the hitting as well&#8230; look at burrows in van city he looked like a 3rd line plug before now hes the perfect winger along side the sedins&#8230;<br />
@ dan j.. you think stajan is a 4th line center???.. your just another negative leafs fan who doesnt know a thing about hockey</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bruins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Bruins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Stajan gets in his forechecking zone he looks awesome, he seems to always come out of the corners with the puck.  That would make for a top level 3rd line center.  Also we have never seen him play in the playoffs and I think he has the ability to escalate his game when the pressure heats up, I would love to see that at least once before we give up on him.  He is someone we are sure to regret losing if we trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Stajan gets in his forechecking zone he looks awesome, he seems to always come out of the corners with the puck.  That would make for a top level 3rd line center.  Also we have never seen him play in the playoffs and I think he has the ability to escalate his game when the pressure heats up, I would love to see that at least once before we give up on him.  He is someone we are sure to regret losing if we trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRAFT SCENARIOS
Scenario 1 – Take either MPS or Ryan Ellis
Scenario 2 – Trade and take Ryan Ellis, while signing Gaborik later on in the offseason and laughing in Minnesota’s faces after.
Scenario 3 – Nope, if I was to give up arguably my best player and my first round pick in the same trade, it would have to be for a top 2, if not the first overall selection.
Scenario 4 – I would make the trade, then sign Kessel long-term...However I would then seek to trade either Kaberle/Kubina and one of my second rounders for another first round selection, hopefully ranging from 15-23. 
Scenario 5 – No, being the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs of all teams, this would be unacceptable.
TRADE SCENARIOS
Heatley – I wouldn’t bother with Heatley to be honest, he’s quite a prolific point-getter however he needs players to set him up, and the Leafs definitely don’t have anyone really capable of allowing Dany to reach his full potential, not to mention one would assume he would like to go to a contender.
JJ – I would definitely offer for him, even though it appears he’s already off the market with Anaheim. I would offer Kubina and possibly a second rounder for him, which would seemingly be fair considering his value has no doubt declined over the last season. However with the addition of JJ to a defence core already armed with Kaberle, Luke Schenn, possibly Ryan Ellis and Francois Beauchemin if I could manage to sign him, defence would be the last of the Leafs worries.
Dion – I’m sorry but I cannot justify trading Tomas for Dion when I could just as easily sign Beauchemin for about 4mil/season, then instead of paying 6 mill for just Dion, I could pay 8 for the services of 2 top 4 defenceman.
J.S.G – I don’t see much point in trading essentially anything for someone who is coming off one of the worst seasons of his career and is owed $12 million over the next 2 seasons regardless of his role as a starter, or possibly a backup to Toskala, who is also a decent goalie, not to mention keeping them both would simply tie up too much money at the goalie position.
Jovocop – you gotta be kidding me...There’s no use for him on any team looking to rebuild and be successful in the future...to me he’s become more of a guy you’d trade for at the deadline if you were a contender, that’s about it.



FREE AGENT SCENARIOS
Gaborik – I would definitely sign him, to either a one or two year deal, even if he asked for a NTC. I would start him around the 3.5-4mil/season range, with his deal being worth up to 7.5/8mil provided he plays in at least 75 games, scoring 40 or more goals and having 90 or more points.
Beauchemin – As I stated earlier, I would sign him given the opportunity at 4mil or so per season, for 3-4 years.
Mike Cammalleri – $5.5mil for a 39 goal scorer who was in an idle situation with Calgary last season? Not likely...Especially considering I believe he has only topped 30 goals one other time in his career...You simply cannot give up big money for guys who haven’t proven to be CONSISTANT...Jason Blake anybody?
The Sedins – They are not the answer to our rebuilding system in my opinion and therefore I’d stay away from offering them long term lucrative contracts because thinking long term, we wouldn’t win the cup next season with them anyways, and the 2010 FA class is looking slightly more inviting than the Swedish brothers. If anything, I’d take just Henrik
M.K – Finger, White, MVR, either Kaberle or Kubina, Schenn, Beauchemin, Frogran, Stralman, Phil Oreskovic, possibly Ryan Ellis or JJ...That already is more than enough defenceman, let alone money invested into them to be bidding for another one who, while I’d rather have him for 4mil/season than Jeff Finger, still isn’t worth 4 mil on a team that, with all these defenseman should really be focusing on offence.
INTERNAL ROSTER SCENARIOS
Scenarios 1 &amp; 2 – I would essentially assemble my forth line out of young players such as Hansen, Bozak, Stalberg and so on, so if they were to have a decent camp I would give them their AHL roles to begin with, while at the same time giving each of them a shot, depending on their AHL performances are progressing, at becoming a stable 3rd/4th liner, for the time being.
Scenario 3 – Dido will most likely not be playing at all next season, so he is out of the question here, and as for my buddy Dale Mitchell, I’d recommend moving up into the AHL as opposed to staying back in the OHL. Chances are he would be reunited with fellow Spitfire and Memorial Cup winner Ryan Ellis for at least the early part of the season in the AHL, assuming I was to draft Ellis and not MPS with the 7th pick.
Stajans Role – I really like Matt Stajan, however he just isn’t effective enough to be a top 6 forward when it comes down to it...I’d like to see him have a good start to next year so we could possibly get some good offers for him down the stretch, especially if we are not contending quite yet, however Matt Stajan, unless he’s okay with 4th line centre and PK time on my Leafs, isn’t an asset to the organization’s future.
Regarding the “C” – I would hold off for another year, unless Luke Schenn develops into a monster-shutdown top dman during the season, in which case he would receive it, however, it would be him receiving it eventually regardless, it’s just a matter of letting him mature/perform into the role, as opposed to just dumping it on him, kinda like we did our franchise player tag.

P.S – Great article, hands down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRAFT SCENARIOS<br />
Scenario 1 – Take either MPS or Ryan Ellis<br />
Scenario 2 – Trade and take Ryan Ellis, while signing Gaborik later on in the offseason and laughing in Minnesota’s faces after.<br />
Scenario 3 – Nope, if I was to give up arguably my best player and my first round pick in the same trade, it would have to be for a top 2, if not the first overall selection.<br />
Scenario 4 – I would make the trade, then sign Kessel long-term&#8230;However I would then seek to trade either Kaberle/Kubina and one of my second rounders for another first round selection, hopefully ranging from 15-23.<br />
Scenario 5 – No, being the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs of all teams, this would be unacceptable.<br />
TRADE SCENARIOS<br />
Heatley – I wouldn’t bother with Heatley to be honest, he’s quite a prolific point-getter however he needs players to set him up, and the Leafs definitely don’t have anyone really capable of allowing Dany to reach his full potential, not to mention one would assume he would like to go to a contender.<br />
JJ – I would definitely offer for him, even though it appears he’s already off the market with Anaheim. I would offer Kubina and possibly a second rounder for him, which would seemingly be fair considering his value has no doubt declined over the last season. However with the addition of JJ to a defence core already armed with Kaberle, Luke Schenn, possibly Ryan Ellis and Francois Beauchemin if I could manage to sign him, defence would be the last of the Leafs worries.<br />
Dion – I’m sorry but I cannot justify trading Tomas for Dion when I could just as easily sign Beauchemin for about 4mil/season, then instead of paying 6 mill for just Dion, I could pay 8 for the services of 2 top 4 defenceman.<br />
J.S.G – I don’t see much point in trading essentially anything for someone who is coming off one of the worst seasons of his career and is owed $12 million over the next 2 seasons regardless of his role as a starter, or possibly a backup to Toskala, who is also a decent goalie, not to mention keeping them both would simply tie up too much money at the goalie position.<br />
Jovocop – you gotta be kidding me&#8230;There’s no use for him on any team looking to rebuild and be successful in the future&#8230;to me he’s become more of a guy you’d trade for at the deadline if you were a contender, that’s about it.</p>
<p>FREE AGENT SCENARIOS<br />
Gaborik – I would definitely sign him, to either a one or two year deal, even if he asked for a NTC. I would start him around the 3.5-4mil/season range, with his deal being worth up to 7.5/8mil provided he plays in at least 75 games, scoring 40 or more goals and having 90 or more points.<br />
Beauchemin – As I stated earlier, I would sign him given the opportunity at 4mil or so per season, for 3-4 years.<br />
Mike Cammalleri – $5.5mil for a 39 goal scorer who was in an idle situation with Calgary last season? Not likely&#8230;Especially considering I believe he has only topped 30 goals one other time in his career&#8230;You simply cannot give up big money for guys who haven’t proven to be CONSISTANT&#8230;Jason Blake anybody?<br />
The Sedins – They are not the answer to our rebuilding system in my opinion and therefore I’d stay away from offering them long term lucrative contracts because thinking long term, we wouldn’t win the cup next season with them anyways, and the 2010 FA class is looking slightly more inviting than the Swedish brothers. If anything, I’d take just Henrik<br />
M.K – Finger, White, MVR, either Kaberle or Kubina, Schenn, Beauchemin, Frogran, Stralman, Phil Oreskovic, possibly Ryan Ellis or JJ&#8230;That already is more than enough defenceman, let alone money invested into them to be bidding for another one who, while I’d rather have him for 4mil/season than Jeff Finger, still isn’t worth 4 mil on a team that, with all these defenseman should really be focusing on offence.<br />
INTERNAL ROSTER SCENARIOS<br />
Scenarios 1 &amp; 2 – I would essentially assemble my forth line out of young players such as Hansen, Bozak, Stalberg and so on, so if they were to have a decent camp I would give them their AHL roles to begin with, while at the same time giving each of them a shot, depending on their AHL performances are progressing, at becoming a stable 3rd/4th liner, for the time being.<br />
Scenario 3 – Dido will most likely not be playing at all next season, so he is out of the question here, and as for my buddy Dale Mitchell, I’d recommend moving up into the AHL as opposed to staying back in the OHL. Chances are he would be reunited with fellow Spitfire and Memorial Cup winner Ryan Ellis for at least the early part of the season in the AHL, assuming I was to draft Ellis and not MPS with the 7th pick.<br />
Stajans Role – I really like Matt Stajan, however he just isn’t effective enough to be a top 6 forward when it comes down to it&#8230;I’d like to see him have a good start to next year so we could possibly get some good offers for him down the stretch, especially if we are not contending quite yet, however Matt Stajan, unless he’s okay with 4th line centre and PK time on my Leafs, isn’t an asset to the organization’s future.<br />
Regarding the “C” – I would hold off for another year, unless Luke Schenn develops into a monster-shutdown top dman during the season, in which case he would receive it, however, it would be him receiving it eventually regardless, it’s just a matter of letting him mature/perform into the role, as opposed to just dumping it on him, kinda like we did our franchise player tag.</p>
<p>P.S – Great article, hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bruins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Bruins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Phaneuf thing is a possibility if we throw in something else like a depth player but only if Calgary has knowledge that they are signing Bouwmeester.  So this is what the Leafs look like next year if some of the thinkable and unthinkable happen according to this article.

Pjaarvi            Stajan         Gaborik
Ponikarowski   Grabovski    Kulemin
Hagman          Mitchell       Tlusty
????               Deveraux     Hansen

Schenn           Van Ryn
Komisarek      Phaneuf
Stralman        Finger
White

In the system
One other first round selection via a Kubina trade
Dido
Dale Mitchell
Stefanovich
Stahlberg
Bozak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Phaneuf thing is a possibility if we throw in something else like a depth player but only if Calgary has knowledge that they are signing Bouwmeester.  So this is what the Leafs look like next year if some of the thinkable and unthinkable happen according to this article.</p>
<p>Pjaarvi            Stajan         Gaborik<br />
Ponikarowski   Grabovski    Kulemin<br />
Hagman          Mitchell       Tlusty<br />
????               Deveraux     Hansen</p>
<p>Schenn           Van Ryn<br />
Komisarek      Phaneuf<br />
Stralman        Finger<br />
White</p>
<p>In the system<br />
One other first round selection via a Kubina trade<br />
Dido<br />
Dale Mitchell<br />
Stefanovich<br />
Stahlberg<br />
Bozak</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Bruins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Bruins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Draft Scenarios
1 - Draft Pjaarvi
2 - No
3 - No
4 - No
5 - No
Trade Scenarios
1 - No never, guy is a quitter, has no idea how to win
2 - Yes Kubina/mid prospect for Jack Johnson
3 - Yes in a heartbeat! Phaneuf and Schenn together, beautiful
4 - No never
5 - Yes but only if it was part of a package to get more youth since this is a dump of salary.
Free Agent Scenarios
1 - Yes, take a chance on a superstar
2 - Yes
3 - No
4 - No
5 - Yes
Internal Roster Scenarios
1 - In the NHL please but trade oreskovic as part of one of the above packages
2 - Keep them in the AHL for the whole year.
3 - Put them in the AHL for the whole year
4 - Stajan needs to be the 3rd line centre
5 - To be determined based on the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Draft Scenarios<br />
1 &#8211; Draft Pjaarvi<br />
2 &#8211; No<br />
3 &#8211; No<br />
4 &#8211; No<br />
5 &#8211; No<br />
Trade Scenarios<br />
1 &#8211; No never, guy is a quitter, has no idea how to win<br />
2 &#8211; Yes Kubina/mid prospect for Jack Johnson<br />
3 &#8211; Yes in a heartbeat! Phaneuf and Schenn together, beautiful<br />
4 &#8211; No never<br />
5 &#8211; Yes but only if it was part of a package to get more youth since this is a dump of salary.<br />
Free Agent Scenarios<br />
1 &#8211; Yes, take a chance on a superstar<br />
2 &#8211; Yes<br />
3 &#8211; No<br />
4 &#8211; No<br />
5 &#8211; Yes<br />
Internal Roster Scenarios<br />
1 &#8211; In the NHL please but trade oreskovic as part of one of the above packages<br />
2 &#8211; Keep them in the AHL for the whole year.<br />
3 &#8211; Put them in the AHL for the whole year<br />
4 &#8211; Stajan needs to be the 3rd line centre<br />
5 &#8211; To be determined based on the above.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, your right. That just proves again that unless your drafting in the top part of the draft where you KNOW you getting a great player, it come down to alot more then just the number pick you have. As long aas we keep all our pick we should be geared</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, your right. That just proves again that unless your drafting in the top part of the draft where you KNOW you getting a great player, it come down to alot more then just the number pick you have. As long aas we keep all our pick we should be geared</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Bauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett Bauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jordan:
Agreed.  Except that the problem wasn&#039;t so much trading #1 picks ... every team moves a top pick at some point or another.  The way I see it, the problem was twofold:  first of all, identifying the top players available at that spot in the draft order.   And secondly, developing those players.
.
Detroit doesn&#039;t succeed just because they find the Zetterberg&#039;s and Datsyuk&#039;s in late rounds.  Those guys were not exactly widely heralded among league scouts at the time ... and coming from Sweden and Russia both were heavily scouted by many teams.   
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Detroit succeeds because they recognize that quantifiable skills (skating, shooting, technique) can be developed, but intangibles such as intelligence and heart (&quot;hockey sense&quot;) cannot.   They focus on drafting the players who have that hockey sense, who are committed to two-way play (&quot;team game&quot; mentality), and develop the finite skills from there.   
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Who else could have picked Dan Cleary off the scrap heap and made him into the player he is today?  Or turned the once-unheralded Zetterberg and Datsyuk into superstars (and guys like Filppula and Hudler into future stars)?   It&#039;s all about development, which is why they succeed, year in and year out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan:<br />
Agreed.  Except that the problem wasn&#8217;t so much trading #1 picks &#8230; every team moves a top pick at some point or another.  The way I see it, the problem was twofold:  first of all, identifying the top players available at that spot in the draft order.   And secondly, developing those players.<br />
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Detroit doesn&#8217;t succeed just because they find the Zetterberg&#8217;s and Datsyuk&#8217;s in late rounds.  Those guys were not exactly widely heralded among league scouts at the time &#8230; and coming from Sweden and Russia both were heavily scouted by many teams.<br />
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Detroit succeeds because they recognize that quantifiable skills (skating, shooting, technique) can be developed, but intangibles such as intelligence and heart (&#8220;hockey sense&#8221;) cannot.   They focus on drafting the players who have that hockey sense, who are committed to two-way play (&#8220;team game&#8221; mentality), and develop the finite skills from there.<br />
.<br />
Who else could have picked Dan Cleary off the scrap heap and made him into the player he is today?  Or turned the once-unheralded Zetterberg and Datsyuk into superstars (and guys like Filppula and Hudler into future stars)?   It&#8217;s all about development, which is why they succeed, year in and year out.</p>
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