Allaire Positive for Pogge, Toskala and Monster

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Justin Pogge

Newest goaltending consultant to the Leafs, Francois Allaire, father of the modern butterfly with exceptional credentials including working with Patrick Roy, Brian Hayward, as well as the guy who morphed Guy Hebert into an All Star in 1997 and J.S. Giguere. Most recently he worked with Ducks back up-turned-starter, Jonas Hiller to backstop the Ducks to a seven-game Round 2 of the 2008-09, Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Fine credentials indeed, but what can he do with the batch of Leafs goaltenders?

I won’t mince words and openly admit my admiration for Vesa Toskala. Inconsistent and difficult season aside, I believe he could be one of the NHL’s best entering the final season of his two-year contract.

In another post, I pointed out the notion of goaltender predictability after a drubbing of the Montreal Canadiens at the hands of the Maple Leafs, in light of the disastrous season of Carey Price.

In an interview on the FAN590, Allaire shirked talk about specific goaltenders before training camp, and also revealed something that had plagued my mind ever since the announcement of his hiring into the Leafs ranks.

Would he try to force the butterfly style on the Leafs stable of goalies?

The first reaction was that he would force improvement onto Vesa Toskala, and Justin Pogge using the butterfly style. It was comforting to hear him talk about working on speed and comfort level, as well as recovery.

It wasn’t the butterfly style that made Roy a hall of fame goalie – despite its effective way of taking away the lower part of the net – it was his ability to recover and get back into position with ease.

This is how Allaire worked and helped mold him into a legendary goalie. The pattern was evident with his other goalies, and what Price missed in Montreal last season – and partly why Roland Melanson was let go.

The Pogge era in Toronto was dead according to Steve Buffery’s article in the Toronto Sun. Brian Burke was quick to point out how a decision on the future of the 23-year old goaltender had not been made, noting this process as one of the unglamorous aspects of being a professional athlete, while management decides whether the athlete falls into the organization’s plans.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of the 23-year old netminder, but it wasn’t a death knell, yet.

The hiring of Allaire may prove to be a sign indicating Pogge will be return in Marlies silks; not a bad decision, given the alternative should he be cut loose. Unlikely the Fort McMurray, Alberta native lands a back up role with another NHL club – let alone a starting position – and likely to continue development in the minor ranks. To qualify him, the Leafs will have to offer his contract with a 10-percent increase. So why not keep him in the fold as an asset, allowing him to further develop as a homegrown talent in their revamped minor ranks?

The question remains; will Pogge develop into a viable NHL goaltender?

If Burke can hire just as good a candidate for the Leafs AHL affiliate, Pogge’s retention falls under different circumstances with the Marlies; a new coach, new outlook, different, more complimentary style to that of Ron Wilson, with a crop of different more homegrown prospects to collectively develop.

Toronto will have to make a decision and soon, and the hiring of the ‘Goalie Guru’ is as good as it gets as a positive indication for the Leafs. Competition breeds Champions, and furthers along the development curve.

Along with infrastructure, the availability of Jonas “The Monster” Gustavsson still out there, the added incentive to entice the goaltender by the hiring makes a lot of sense.

Joe Resnick, the agent for ‘The Monster’ was on Hockeycentral last week and indicated how the goaltender would be visiting, Colorado, Dallas, San Jose and Toronto this week as part of a tour to make a decision on where he would like to sign.

There have been preliminary discussions with all teams, with the expectation he plays in the NHL next season. Burke indicated this would be the case in Toronto.

San Jose, with one of the best defenses in the league would surely help him, in particular, masking any deficiency.

However, mentoring under Toskala would be a plus, and while Gustavsson has worked with Allaire in the past, it isn’t the main factor to have him sign in Toronto.

But it sure must be enticing, short and long term.

The tour starts this week, and could last about 8-9 days; the agent wants to have his placement sooner rather than later, so Gustavsson could attend summer camp working with goaltending coach.

Under the current collective bargaining agreement, The Monster falls under the definitions of the entry-level contract and will only get a one-year deal for the following season.

The vision, and components to make the vision a reality are being put into place, an encouraging overall development in the management staff and execution of the vision, and in Leafs development. Part of the reason late round picks develop into valid NHLers is how they challenge their players providing tools to grow.

The infrastructure is being slowly assembled, and from early indications, the 2009 NHL Entry Draft seems to be the only viable milestone to have it firmly in place, with assets ready to be dealt should the opportunity arise.

Interior management is being molded into the vision for the future Buds. With the addition of the legendary Allaire, a solid piece of development and affirmation of one of the most important positions, goaltending, is shaping up.

Let the player additions begin.

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  • LT73

    Great read Gus…

    I’m eager to see what our Goalies will be capable of with someone of Allaire’s ilk running the show. I’m really hoping that Burke doesn’t give up on Pogge yet. My honest feeling is that he’s just a really slow developer. Give the kid time with a world class coach.

    Should be fun to watch.

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  • Adam Woikin

    This is great to see a solid foundation being assembled. I firmly believe that Burke will turn this ship around, and be accountable if he doesnt. I can wait until draft day….. Drooled a little.

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  • Jordan

    I’m sure Burke will resign him. This is just a wake up call to Justin, showing that he needs to step him game up. Unlike how JFJ did, and just named him the number one at the age of 19-20, and we seen how that works out. I’m only 22, and while I’m intelegent in hockey sence, I can’t imagine the pressure Pogge has on himself mentally. With a bit more time I can see him callanging for the number 1 spot in Toronto, he’s still only 23, and it takes time. Great read!

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  • Jordan

    ****Intelligent lol

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    That was great, Jordan …

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  • Roacho

    I really can’t wait to know if the monster chooses Toronto. The Leafs have a 25% chance with an appealing situation. I think you can rule out San Jose, IMO. With Toskala on the last year of his contract, it’s quite apparent that if he impresses, Gustavsson could be the go to guy by 2010-11 if not earlier. Colorado is lacking managerial and coaching stability, Dallas still has a quality number one goalie playing for them.

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  • Peter Bruins

    I am already nervous about Gustavsson, that situation with Brunnstrom last year smacks similarly. If he is asking around and requires terms relating to where he will play next year then his ego has outstepped his development. Until someone has tried they NHL they cannot assume they are ready to play there. He smells like a partial attitude problem. But I will defer to Burke who seems pretty intolerant to an attitude issue, except for his own mind you. lol

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  • jq

    I think Burke is just trying to deliver a ‘reality check’ and squash any ‘entitlement’ notions still lingering with Pogge. In the end, I’ll be surprised if Pogge is not resigned. As I suggested on the previous thread, Burke should draft a goalie with one of the Leafs 2nd round picks in the upcoming draft. (ie. Roy, Hackett or Pasquale) If Gustavsson signs and Burke drafts one of the goalies at this year’s draft, the Leafs depth at goal will be improved immeasurably over last season.

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  • Roacho

    @Peter Bruins
    why the attitude problem? I don’t see that at all, the guy has a rare chance to pick where he wants to play, I don’t blame him for taking a good look, also his mom died last month so lets cut him some slack on the tardiness. I’m sure we’ll have an idea where he’s going once his tour is over with.

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  • Matt K

    Good read. I’m confident Pogge can progress. Even furthermore than Allaire’s hiring, I think the firing of Gilbert will help. Let me explain.

    You can’t progress when there isn’t a good player/coach relationship, which was obviously the case 2 seasons ago when Gilbert ran with Clemmensen (a non-asset to the Leaf organization) when he should have been giving Pogge the ice time. Especially playoff experience in the AHL. He only gave Pogge a chance in the playoffs that year when the series was on the line. It was a live or die scenario. To put a kid like that in such a situation where you play him ONE GAME in which the Marlies playoff hopes rested on his shoulders was ludicrous. Gilbert basically threw Pogge under the bus, and yet they let Gilbert coach another year. He should have been fired on the spot.

    Fast forward to this past year in the NHl and they did something similar. Bringing him up for one off’s, playing him once and re-assigning him to the Marlies. If they (the Leafs) want to see what kind of poise Pogge has in NHL situations, he should have had a run down the stretch. We were already eliminated from playoff contention. Do some R&D. Give him 5-10 games and then evaluate where you’re at. Instead you play Joseph? For what? He’s not being brought back. Every game is a chance to learn and move forward in a positive way, not regress even further in both the standings as well as team development.

    They have missed the mark with Pogge many times. His slow development is not entirely his fault.

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  • JMAC

    @ jq

    I had the same though…but throw in the media aspect…Burke trying to call off the dogs so to speak.

    I think he has every intention of signing Pogge and this hiring will only help him regain some of the momentum that got Leaf Nation excited about him in the first place.

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    @Matt K
    I understand your point. My question is, how does everyone know that it wasn’t MLSE telling Gilbert, go with the veteran Clemmensen to get further in the playoffs, simply for the gate receipts and attempt at fan attention? Not saying that’s the case, but it’s a typical MLSE characteristic, right?
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    Also, there are reasons Pogge was sat, which I won’t go into here. Its not mainstream, but in the end, the benching was more beneficial to him, than starting. My humble opinion.

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  • bear

    @JMAC I’m with you 100%.
    Poggee has not remotely been given a chance to play at the NHL level.
    The Leafs hung him out to dry in Buffalo
    The kid can play and an eventual duo with Gustavsson wouldn’t be so bad.

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  • Matt K

    @ Gus

    I see what you’re saying. But you’re suggesting MLSE said go with Clemmensen, then throw in the young kid when they’re at the brink of elimination? MLSE execs are skewed, but they aren’t that far gone.

    I will respectfully disagree. If you’re going to go on record and say Pogge doesn’t have the necessary characteristics to be an NHL goaltender at this point (as Burke stated), what are you basing this off of? You need to give him some consistent time in the NHL before you start labeling guys.

    @ jq

    I realize Burke is on this ‘sense of entitlement’ kick, but seriously, what sense of entitlement does Pogge have? He’s been splitting time on the Marlies and gets an NHL start thrown his way once in a blue moon. What does he think he’s entitled to? If anything, he’s at the point where they’ve killed his confidence, and where he thinks the organization doesn’t believe in him. And without giving him a fair chance I might add. And if the Leafs don’t believe in him, it’ll be hard for him to believe in himself.

    And one final thought, on this whole ‘build through the draft’ front. That rarely works, you can improve your team some by way of the draft, but that isn’t a one size fits all solution like guys like Howard Berger and other media would have you believe. The leafs have squandered the draft so many times, it’s makes me sick. Take a look at the past drafts and who’ve we’ve drafted in the first round. Most years you’ve never heard of them.

    Here’s my suggestion: There is NO salary cap on personnel, namely scouting staff. Get the best scouts money can buy, spare no expense. Spend it wisely where it counts. We won’t get anywhere drafting Tavares because we gave up our first rounder, Schenn, etc. PLUS, knowing our draft history, we’ll get Tavares and he’ll turn out to be another Alexander Daigle

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  • brokensilence

    @ matt k:
    the pittsburgh penguins just proved that building through the draft works. granted, they lucked out on the crosby lottery, but much of their core was acquired through the draft.

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  • Wags

    Matt k:
    Lucked out, are you kidding me,
    Crosby , Malkin, Staal,Lemieux ,Jagr…Name another team that was not at a point of selling out that can boast that kind of talent. We don’t want a five year losing streak, We have a chance to rebuild alot quicker than that and Burke is the right man at the right time. :)

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  • Matt K

    @ Wags

    I didn’t say anything about lucking out… got the wrong guy lol

    @brokensilence

    Pittsburgh and who else????? They are the exception, and it took 2 #1 picks, and 2 #2 picks to do it, not to mention the other QUALITY assets they have and they were still on the brink of missing the playoffs this year.

    If you rely heavily on the draft to rebuild the Leafs, it’ll be AT LEAST another 42 years.

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  • Jordan

    http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

    Hedman is now #1, maybe Tavares to Toronto isnt as farfetched as it may seem….

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  • Matt K

    @ Jordan

    It would be nice to be able to deal with Tampa over Garth Snow and the Islanders, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hedman will not go #1. Zero chance. I realize Tavares lost a little stock lately, but whoever has the #1 pick come the 26th will draft Tavares. And to steal a line from Kris Draper, “Make sure you write I said that!” ;)

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  • Anonymous

    @Matt
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    There’s no way Tavares to NYU is set in stone. If Hedman fills out his potential, you’re looking at a Pronger/JBo type beast. Can you honestly say that is not worthy of the 1st overall pick, passing on a lets say Joe Thornton???
    .
    Some teams might value an elite defender over an elite forward, with the minimal supply of the former
    .
    With the marketing opps Tavares has in store for MLSE, I think they’d push for Burke to do whatever possible to get Tavares. I agree with the above posters stating that the ONLY hope the Leafs have to getting Tavares is from Tampa NOT New York.

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  • Jordan

    If Burke gets that 2nd pick from Tampa, Im sure he would do whatever possible to swap it with Snow. I dont think it would take much sence Snow still hasnt decided who to take. Honestly though, when I really thing about it, if Burke can get that 2nd pick without bombing what we build so far, I would we glad to see Hedman in a leafs uniform. If Gustavsson signs we would friggin set and building from the net out like Burke said he wants to do.

    G – Toskala, Gustavsson, Pogge

    D – Schenn, Hedman, White, Stralman, Finger, Kubina if hes still here

    Man that lineup looks apsolutely sick

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    @Wook
    I’ve also gone on record to say that goaltenders are a hard read for me. I like Toskala’s athleticism and flippy-floppy nature, opposed to Raycroft and his stagnant butterfly with little recovery. To put it even a step further, I would include Toskala as a secondary goalie option for next season. He’ll be totally discounted at the draft table and you could get an amazing player with earlier picks, with a great late pick.
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    @ Matt K
    It was more a speculative remark, not easy to prove or refute, only a past tendency.

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  • Anonymous

    @ Jordan
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    I highly doubt it’s worth it to trade up to #2 to take Hedman, when Cowen who was ranked just one spot below him before his injury, can be had with #7. I see Burke only targeting Tavares with the 2nd pick. If New York decided on Tavares, then the Leafs should just try to get Schenn Jr.

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    Anyone ever consider, for a lark, if Toronto could get Radim Vrbata out of the Lightning, too … $3 mill may be a bit steep, but he scored (18-12-5-17) in the Czech League, and has shown he has a scoring touch … if he’s not playing for the Lightning, and a possibility for swap, (assuming he would be willing to coe back to the NHL) it might be a decent pick up. I like his goal scoring ability, as long as he’s not playing a perimeter game …

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