Draft Watch ’09: Part Three – Chatting up the Expert

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For much of the year, scouts from NHL clubs and private scouting agencies scour the globe for the next generational talent, the next franchise player, and the next late round steal. On Draft weekend, a year’s hard work is condensed into a single list of names, a few of whom teams hope will become the future building blocks for their franchise. In Part Three of the ’09 Draft Preview, the readers of MLHS are in for a special treat, as I recently had the opportunity to pick the brain of E.J. Mcguire, the Director of the NHL’s Central Scouting Services and perhaps the most well-recognized face of the scouting world, about the upcoming June Draft.

Q -  Hi E.J., thanks for taking the time. Let’s dive right into this. In a few words, what is the role of the NHL Central Scouting Service?

A – Well Alex, the NHL Central Service serves as an early warning system for NHL teams as they prepare to make selections for the upcoming NHL Draft. There are 9 full-time scouts, 16 part-time scouts and 3 administrators in North America. There are also 9 full-time scouts and 2 administrators in Europe.

Q – Last year’s draft saw an unprecendented amount of players immediately making the jump to the NHL, 10 by my count, including Toronto’s own Luke Schenn. Should we expect something similar next season?

A – By virtue of the NHL Salary Cap, we’re starting to see a growing inclination for teams to bring those players in at an earlier age. That amount of talent on an entry-level contract is much more economically feasible than say, a veteran free agent to fill the same role. I think you’re going to see more of draftees making an immediate jump to the NHL as we go forward.

Q – How would this year’s draft class stack up against those of recent years in terms of top end talent and depth through the later rounds?

A – It’s very similar to those strong draft classes of recent years. It’s a very deep draft and very even. By very even, I mean that you’re not going to see a whole lot of dropoffs or plateaus, for example a distinct top 10 or top 15. I feel that this is one of those draft classes where you’re going to see a few 3rd and 4th round picks making a meaningful impact at the NHL level a few years down the line. Having multiple selections, particularly in those middle rounds is a big bonus.

Q – Since last season, much of the focus has been around the unquestionable Top 2 status of John Tavares and Victor Hedman. However, we’ve recently seen a few scouting services boldly project Duchene as a top 2 selection. Is the gap close enough that this may be the case on draft day?

A – Matt Duchene is an excellent player and will absolutely be a top 3 pick, but where he’s selected will very much be based on the need of that particular team. If a team is looking for a high end defenseman, they will lean towards Victor Hedman. If that team is looking for a dynamic scorer, they’d lean towards John Tavares. And if that team is looking for more of an all-around player who can make an immediate impact, then that’s the team that’s going to take Matt Duchene.

Q – One player who seems to have fallen out of that Top 3 discussion since the beginning of the year is Jared Cowen whose stock seems to have taken a hit since that devastating injury. Is the injury a long-term concern for NHL teams and if healthy, what can he offer an NHL team?

Well, Jared Cowen successfully went through the NHL Combine and took all the required tests and medical diagnostics. At this point, it’s in the hands of the GM’s and their respective medical staffs. From what I’ve heard, all reports indicate that he will be completely healthy by early next season. If his stock took a “hit”, it’s probably more because of unrealistic expectations from myself and other scouts after watching him excel last year when he won the Memorial Cup with the Spokane Chiefs as a 16-17 year old draft ineligble player.

Q – How will Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson’s game translate over to the tighter, more physical style of play in North America?

A – The World Junior Championship presents a very similar style of game to that of the NHL, albeit at a lower level, but serves as an excellent tool to evaluate both North American and European talents. He looked very comfortable, recording 7 points for Team Sweden during the tournament. I think that he will do just fine at the next level, especially as more of his peers start to appear in the NHL.

Q – Last June, we saw Windsor’s Josh Bailey, who was ranked 14th among North American Skaters, make a surprise jump into the top 10 when he went 9th overall to the New York Islanders. Are there any players whom you feel may sneak into the top 10 this year?

A – Well that’s tough to say. Our Central Scouting list comes out fairly early, and our focus is not about where those players will be selected on draft day, but rather how well those draftees project as NHL players 5 years from now. If we have a player ranked at #153 and he doesn’t play a single game in the NHL, but the player at #154 does, then shame on us. Because that would mean that we did not do our job.

Q – Ever since Brian Burke came on board as Toronto GM, the team’s fanbase has been excited about the prospect of building a meaner, tougher team in the mold of the Getzlaf-Perry-Ryan trio in Anaheim. Two players that are likely to be near the top of Burke’s draftboard are Vancouver’s Evander Kane and Brandon’s Brayden Schenn. How are these two players similar and how are they different?

A – Both Kane and Schenn are power forwards from Western Canada, who love to get their noses dirty around the net. Both are physical players with some nice scoring ability. Schenn is more of a natural centerman while Kane is… well come to think of it, both players could probably handle either the center or wing position at the next level. It’s tough to differentiate between the two because they’re really actually very similar players. If you want to talk about tough, power forwards then there’s also Zach Kassian, who we currently have ranked as the 10th best North American Skater. And you can’t forget about Scott Glennie either, a hard-nosed two-way player who was a teammate and linemate of Brayden Schenn for Brandon.

Q – E.J., thanks again for taking the time out of what I’m sure is an extremely tight schedule as you make final preparations for the Draft next week. Any parting words?

A – My pleasure Alex. Make sure you all tune in on Draft Night to witness history being made. Scouting is a tough job, an inexact science, but it is an immensely rewarding job. Once again, good luck with everything.

Always a pleasure,

Alex Tran

[email protected]

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  • Paynter Graham

    I’m with you Alex, I would rather see Kaberle dealt for draft picks. He is our biggest asset, we have to take full advantage of that.
    Yes, Harding is a good young goalie, but who is currently, I believe a RFA. Zidlicky is a UFA after this season.
    While this is an intriging possible trade, I would rather draft some talented young, forwards/d-men and get the goal-tending later (hopefully a good young one in the second round).

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  • Josh G

    this trade would depend on if that swedish kid signs or not

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  • Ryan F

    why not josh harding and cal clutterbuck?

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  • Paynter Graham

    Yes Josh, if we sign Gustavsson, then we have a back-up goalie without trading an asset. No trade with Minnesota is necessary.
    If we are absolutely unable to trade Kaberle to secure a top draft choice (like TB’s) – I would offer Kaberle and a 2nd rounder to Minnesota for Harding (signed), Zidlicky and their #12 draft choice. A fairly even deal!

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  • RJ

    @ Blue Max
    Stajan for Boogard??? You’re crazy, maybe for Boogard and their 2nd round pick.

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  • Blue Max

    I didn’t say exactly what else should come back, I just added a name to be included. Yes, it could/should be picks coming back, but I value an enforcer a lot. I was originally thinking Mayers+, but the Wild probably won’t bite. Stajan is one of those players Burke will probably replace with Williams, or a UFA as rumours have it, so why not? You want tough, Boogaard is tough!

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  • Blue Max

    @Josh G

    “HAHA why do you hate stajan so much everytime you mention a trade you throw stajans name out there”
    .
    Are you talking about me hating Stajan? Where did you get that from? I don’t remember having mention his name in a trade before.
    Read my previous post if you need to know why I put him in there.
    You must have missed all the speculation in the media about him basically being on his way out.

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  • Jordan

    Quick thought here, but Rask is still not signed by Boston. What would it take to get him back in Toronto? How many picks?

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  • Peter Bruins

    I think there is a better than average chance that Brayden Schenn will be available at the 7 slot. Phoenix is going to take Cowen or Kulikov or Lekman at 6 and that means slots 4 and 5 are Kane, MPS and Schenn. But I think Kane is ranked higher than Schenn so Id put him at the 4 slot. And 5 is LA and they would take the likes of MPS to fit their team culture. So I think these clubs can play Burke a bit but signalling they will take Schenn in order to draw a trade up deal.

    I agree with all of you who indicated that a trade of Kaberle must result in an additional first rounder. The Minnesota trade idea isnt very good because if I were Burke and I didnt get Gustavsson, I would approach Gerber for a 1 year $1.5million deal and we would have a very good tandem for the year. Gerber needs a good year to raise his value again.

    I think Atlanta is a trade possibility but I dont think LA is as LA needs a power centre and they are stacked with DMen both on the roster and in the pipeline. My perfect draft has getting Schenn and Glennie into the Leafs system and losing any three off the existing roster (except Luke Schenn) to get it done is good by me!

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  • Peter Bruins

    I also think Hagman would draw the interest of Dallas in a deal. He was terrific down there (in Dallas) and I believe they know they made a big mistake in letting him go. I really like Hagman but if we can find a way to get Dallas first round pick that would be fantastic.

    How about Hagman and Ian White plus our 50th pick for their first rounder #8. Dallas has 3 great centers, an aging and slowing defense.

    Id love to see some of the trades you guys would table for picks between #8 and #20 with certain teams and why. Thats where we can pick up real depth I think.

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  • Peter Bruins

    Id also pitch Pavel Kubina and Tim Stapleton to Nashville for their two 2nd round picks #40 and #41 They have only 4 D signed for next year. They are at $32million in committed salary as well. They need to have success next year in terms of making the playoffs and Kubina is a big strong reliable guy to help them get there and he is also a tradeable asset at the deadline if they dont.

    Tim Stapleton is a really slick Steve Sullivan type of guy but Sulli is a 35 year old injury prone UFA.

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  • Leafer_84

    I’d rather trade Kaberle for picks and prospects or in a bid for a top 2 pick…but Harding is a good young keeper and wouldn’t be too upset if that went down. Well, assuming that Gustavsson had already signed elsewhere.

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  • Joe

    I agree…Kaberle for Picks. I wonder if a deal for Harding could suggest Gustavsson talks are not going well. or maybe they are and someone has interest in Toskala

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  • Jordan

    I think its more on an insurance thing with Harding. If Gustavsson goes elsewhere, this is just a head start basically. I would also like to keep Kaberle for picks but seriously, we all know what good goaltending can do and if Harding can provide this we could be set for a while.

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  • http://www.mckeenshockey.rivals.com Gus Katsaros

    Go through the first few pages of this thread. Hilarious.

    http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=19870874#post19870874

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  • Josh

    what about kaberle, white and something (one of tlusty/dido/d.mitchell/2ndrounder/kulemin etc) to TB for the #2 and a salary dump (one of vrbata, malone, prospal)
    .
    i know everyone on this site has a hard on for ian white but i think its one that could work so put your biases aside. TB would get an elite puck mover in kaberle, a serviceable young one in white and would still get a decent forward prospect or pick along with shedding some salary. provided the isles take hedman the leafs would get the #2 giving them tavares to build their offence around and could help by taking a contract. i would prefer vrbata or malone. malone would be great as a #5 or 6 forward for the next 4 years (although some sites say 6 more i think). vrbata wouldnt count against the cap if he doesnt come back over and MLSE could just eat his contract.
    .
    i think this makes sense from a hockey standpoint and helps both clubs. obviously the isles need to take hedman though or TB likely wont move that pick

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  • Corey

    Jw, Could Gustavsson be signed at any time or do we have to wait till free agent day to see where he goes?

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  • http://gfeajg hockey_guru

    He can be signed at any time.

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  • canucksnaphook

    @ GUS

    That is some of the funniest shit I have seen in a long time. The pictures are priceless and I was laughing out loud while reading those posts. Thanks for the link it made my day.

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  • canucksnaphook

    I am still reading and laughing so hard my wife came to see what I am howling for…..wow good stuff.

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  • the Surreal McCoy

    Gus, thanks for the link! too funny!

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  • Mizuno

    @Gus. Johnson Tavarsson LOL!!! and Johndeep Tavaresignh

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  • frank spanky

    This years draft and subsequent free agent and trading period promises to be one of great activity, not just with the Maple Leafs.

    But slow down people, a snowball has to roll before the avalanche (no reference to Colorado) starts.

    I said who before so I won’t repeat it…but Burke will get the man he wants next Friday night and the goalie will follow.

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  • canucksnaphook

    Franky….your sources?

    I dont have time to look back at your comments so please enlighten us so I can bookmark this conversation.

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