Dollars and Sense

by on August 30, 2009 in Uncategorized - 88 Comments

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Hang in there folks, we’re almost into September…

The Globe and Mail has got a very interesting article up discussing the latest developments in the ongoing battle between Jim Balsillie and the NHL. At the very centre of whole controversy could be an antitrust lawsuit filed by Balsillie if he feels he can prove that the NHL was acting to protect the position of the Toronto Maple Leafs, rather than the league as a whole. If it is shown that the Maple Leafs have the right to veto such a move (and it’s speculated that the Leafs organization believes that’s the case), then that would be in violation of the antitrust law, and thus illegal.

The Toronto Star reports that the Leafs may get very little if any money at all in compensation if a new team should enter the Soutern Ontario market, a belief certainly contrary to the speculated territorial rights reaching astronomical figures as high as hundreds of millions of dollars. The article quotes findings from a recent economic investigation in saying that Leafs fans could expect lower ticket prices, but demand would likely still be high enough to sustain the sellouts.

And now a question to all the readers, particularly the ones in or around the Hamilton area: Do you support the notion of another NHL franchise in Southern Ontario, and would you consider switching and/or splitting allegiances?

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  • Far From Good

    @Luke Schenn
    I know how you feel, i lived in Calgary for a few years back in the hay day of the red mile, now being that my roomates were from Eastern Canada, which you may know Albertans hate already we walked through me waering my 1980′s CLark Jersey (what a classic that is) and my roomate both wearing a Gilmour Jersey. Never have ifelt so affraid in my life. Though i was gonna get lassod and lynched. Needless to say we hopped in the first cab we saw. To this day i think he took us on a joy ride around Calgary just to triple our fare. Good times though.

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  • http://admin Alex Tran

    @ Grahamzky/Schenn:

    I’d take a good look at Travis Zajac if he’s still on the board around that time. I’m predicting a 70-80 point campaign from him next season.

    Aside from that, Patrik Berglund from St. Louis seems primed for a huge year as well.

    As for defensemen, don’t sleep on Erik Johnson. Out for the season last year, but contributed 33 points in 69 games as a rookie. There’s a candidate for a 50+ point blueliner.

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  • http://admin Alex Tran

    P.S., agree on Kunitz. Nearly put up a PPG rate with the Pens last season, and there’s no reason to think he couldn’t hit 70 points this coming year.

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  • Grahamzky

    @Alex – yea Erik Johnson should be definite sleeper pick, probably around the 45-50 pts. Should be an excellent selection! Have a feeling that Letang will increase his points by 10-15 as well. Great in a points only pool.
    Travis Zajac got pegged for 70 pts. and Berglund 65 – both should be great picks – and perhaps have some upside as well IMO! Both “should” be long gone before pick 100 but if they’re not – bingo! And if you’re in a “keeper” pool, all the better!

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  • RJ

    @Grahamszky

    I don’t think I could do it 4th overall, I think I can get a couple of 40 – 45 pt D late in the draft. I’d likely take either a goalie or someone who is a very dependable 80 pts, with 90 pt potential i.e. Savard, Thorton, Getzlaf, I think LeCalvalier is going to have a huge year, but would try to get him on the way back up. Now 15th overall, with 2 picks in a row and he is still there, I’d almost for sure pull the trigger then. I would have no problem announcing Green and either the best forward or goalie that is left with #15 and #16.

    @ Alex

    Zajak worries me because the master of the trap, to hell with offence, is back behind the bench in NJ, but again, there at pick #100, no hesitation. Totally agree with Johnson though, I’m hoping to steal him with a late pick and I’m for sure taking him in my pool that has a salary cap that more than one guy can own him.

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  • Conn Smythe

    Although I’d love to see Baldsilly get a team for the Hammer, I would never, ever switch allegiances from the Leafs.

    To even consider is an act of treason, ha…

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  • Melon

    When this whole Balsille saga began in regards to Phoenix and the relocation to Hamilton, I will admit that I was really pumped. I was of the frame of mind that another team in Toronto would be a goldmine (it would,) that our beloved Leafs would never miss a beat financially and their on-ice product would not suffer (it wouldn’t …if anything it might improve due to having to battle for fans, however unrealistic that is to assume,) and that a ton of die-hard hockey fans would be able to start seeing NHL hockey without traveling 2+ hours to Buffalo, 4+ to Ottawa/Montreal, or paying $130 for scalped nose-bleeds the furthest back the ACC goes.

    As things dragged on, I started to think a little bit more about what JB is doing here and the more time I have to consider this, the more I dislike it.

    I LOVE the idea that another NHL team would be in the GTA and there is not a single argument with a legitimate foundation behind it that says it wouldn’t work, bottom line. I think that everybody knows that, including the NHL, JB, the media, and us the fans.

    That being said, JB is going about things in the worst possible way, and not just for the NHL or the Leafs, but for professional sports in NA as we know them. He will set a horrible precedent that will haunt major league sports for the foreseeable future with a winning verdict that basically would create a loophole for anyone with the money to buy and relocate a sports franchise, effectively bullying the league’s into submission. Things have never been this way for a reason and although change is often a good thing, I doubt that many sports fans outside Hamilton (or even the GTA for arguments sake) would consider this change a good thing.

    I haven’t said much that anybody else hasn’t also touched on, so here is my view after long hard consideration as a Leafs fan:
    I hate the senators. I hate the habs. I would go see a hockey game in either of their arenas in a heartbeat, and I have done so in both places many times because I am a hockey fan first and a Leafs fan second.
    I would think it was cool to have another team in the GTA at first, but can any single one of you honestly tell me that after the “Hamilton Coyotes” knock us from 8th to 9th place the last game of the season, or eliminate us from the playoffs, that you’d even consider cheering for them again? I know that I wouldn’t.. sure I’d go to games all the time but knowing that they will be a main rival of the leafs sooner or later, I figure that I may as well get a head-start on the Hamilton hating as a Leafs fan.

    …I will go, and I will enjoy it no matter who they play, but I will sure never cheer for them…. unless they play the habs or sens, because I hated those two teams passionately first. :) Splitting allegiances is not possible with two teams that would play each other so often – not in my mind anyways!

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  • 13Leafs35

    @ndk
    i have no doubt that there will some die hard Coyotes fans in Hamilton, but my key point here is this. For the people in the GTA, and the bandwagon jumpers, if the Leafs were to become a contender then Hamilton starts to lose money….they will not be able to get the revenues if the Leafs become a perennial playoff team with Stanley cup chances…….its just going to hurt them too much…IMO

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  • ndk

    @13Leafs35 -
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    I agree, that if the Coyotes remain an under acheiving team indefinately they will not be able to do exceeding well in Hamilton. They will however continue to sell out every game they play against a Canadian team or any other popular team (Pens, Caps, Red Wings etc…) especially since they are a Western Conference team, they will be facing teams that people in SW Ontario dont get to see as often. Call it a niche product in a very large market. I think they’ll be successful in Hamilton, because of that and because they have enough youth to be a very skilled and effective team in the coming years. They just need some stable management to make a few good moves IMO.

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  • Scot Loucks

    There are two teams in Alberta. There are 3 teams in the New York area when you include Jersey.
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    Southern Ontario doesn’t deserve another team…. we deserve two more teams and they would both jump into the top 10 in terms of value of franchise. They would both sell out… and… they would have zero effect on MLSE profit or popularity.
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    Corporate sponsors? Every team can only have one beer sponsor, one car sponsor, one pop sponsor, on bank, one credit card… etc. etc. They are already lining up and signed on for a team in Hamilton.
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    TV/Media? Leafs already have Leaf TV and are moving more and more games over to it. If anything a new team or two in Southern Ontario would stop this one and I for one would be happy.
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    The BS they are publishing about MLSE and their veto power is pure BS in my opinion….. a team in Hamilton has zero effect on Toronto.
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    It could have a serious effect on Buffalo though….. and Copps is just outside the Sabres territory.
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    Has anybody considered the possibility that MLSE and Bettman are protecting Buffalo?
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    Balsillie has played this badly and made it rather obvious that this is a war between him and MLSE. Not sure it is one he can win.
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    If he really wants a team, he should be building an arena on land that RIM already owns, just off the 401 between Cambridge and Kitchener. That would take MLSE out of the equation.
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    Phoenix? they belong back in Winnipeg if they are going to move.
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    Cheers

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