The Poni Debate

by on January 27, 2010 in Uncategorized - 337 Comments

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On the heels of Saturday night’s rumour from the Hockey Night in Canada Hot Stove panel that the dealing of pending free agents Matt Stajan and Alexei Ponikarovsky is a virtual certainty, TSN’s Darren Dreger has listed the pair as the fourth and fifth most-likely trade candidates this trade deadline (Stajan followed by Ponikarovsky) as Brian Burke seeks to re-equip his club with picks lost or equivalent prospects.

On the topic of the big Ukranian, I sarcastically remarked in the Leafs-Kings game day thread “[Who knows?] that late 2nd round pick we might fetch for Alexei Ponikarovsky might turn out being as good as Alexei Ponikarovsky some day if we’re lucky.” To prove this wasn’t just some uneducated quip, I’ve amassed a list of all players drafted between 45th and 60th overall inclusive of entry drafts 2000-2005, working under the assumptions that the best return on the market will be found in a playoff team or contender (therefore later on in the order) and that the market’s ceiling for a player of Ponikarovsky’s credentials is set in the second round. Here’s that list of 90 players:

2000 – Mathieu Chouinard, Jarret Stoll, Jared Aulin, Gerard Dicaire, Jonas Nordqvist, Sergei Soin, Kris Vernarsky, Shane Endicott, Alexander Tatarinov, Andreas Lilja, Antoine Vermette, Alexander Suglobov, Matt DeMarchi, Vladimir Sapozhnikov, Ivan Huml, Dan Ellis

2001 – Martin Podlesak, Mike Zigomanis, Alexander Polushin, Tuomas Pihlman, Mike Cammalleri, Chris Thorburn, Jaroslav Bednar, Ed Caron, Kiel McLeod, Noah Welch, Jason Pominville, Andrei Medvedev, Jay McClement, Nathan Paetsch, Matt Keith, Victor Uchevato

2002 – Tomas Linhart, David LeNeveu, Alexei Kaigorodov, Alexei Shkotov, Kirill Koltsov, Sergei Anshakov, Anton Kadeykin, Dan Spang, Barry Tallackson, Duncan Keith, Denis Grot, Vladislav Yevseyev, Matthew Stajan, Jiri Hudler, Maxime Daigneault, Adam Henrick

2003 – Dan Fritsche, Matt Carle, Dmitri Chernykh, Shea Weber, Ivan Baranka, Colin McDonald, Corey Crawford, Evgeny Tunik, B.J. Crombeen, Stefan Meyer, Patrick O’Sullivan, John Doherty, Jeremy Colliton, Michal Barinka, Marc-Andre Bernier

2004 – Ryan Garlock, Adam Pineault, Blake Comeau, Dane Byers, Carl Soderberg, Enver Lisin, Bruce Graham, Raymond Sawada, David Booth, Nicklas Grossman, Brandon Dubinsky

2005 – Guillaume Latendresse, Dustin Kohn, Tom Fritsche, Philipp Gogulla, Chad Denny, Dany Roussin, Mason Raymond, Chris Durand, Andrew Kozek, Dan Bertram, Adam McQuaid, Marc Andre Cliche, Matt Kassian, Nate Hagemo, Pier-Olivier Pelletier, T.J. Fast

Players I’d confidently prefer above Alexei Ponikarovsky include: Mike Cammalleri, David Booth, Jason Pominville, Duncan Keith and Shea Weber.

A total of five players out of 90 players (or 5.55 percent) could be considered of greater value to their franchises than Alexei Ponikarovsky – a consistent 20-25 goal scorer for a club that drafted him in the fourth round and developed him into a competent defensive presence with the goal-scoring upside to be a two-way contributor in the supporting cast of a winning team. While Ponikarovsky may not be a game-changer and has come under criticism for not using his weight more aggressively, he’s coachable, possesses great physical tools and is one of few on the current club willing and able to screen an opposition goaltender effectively. He also loves the city, appears to want to be a part of the winning formula and is a considerable developmental success for the organization as a former fourth round draft pick – going against the odds in acquiring a second rounder seems like a case of throwing away a homegrown asset simply because he’s earned a pay raise.

The expiring contract and Ponikarovsky’s worth dollars-wise is going to be the subject of much debate in the coming weeks, but there’s something to be said about how if both sides can hammer something out to the tune of $3-3.99 million, Ponikarovsky is an asset worth keeping on a two or three year contract.

There’s always a certain allurement to a draft pick due to the element of the unknown – technically it’s not impossible, if very unlikely, that the Leafs could turn over a Cammelleri, Pominville, Keith or a Weber. The counter to the argument presented throughout this blog will suggest that the second round pick is not a bad investment return for a fourth rounder who has gone on to serve the club in parts of 7 seasons and contribute more than 100 goals during his tenure, and that it’s time to change the guard and let the developing likes of Christian Hanson and Victor Stalberg assume his playing time. Both, however, have plenty to prove yet – Hanson doesn’t appear to quite have the offensive upside of a Ponikarovsky, and while Stalberg does appear to have more natural offensive talent, he has a while to go before he becomes a consistent NHL scorer.

There also other options in terms of clearing roster space and playing time that make more practical sense than moving a player like Ponikarovsky. We’ve all had to go through the painful process of accepting the fact that Jason Blake will have to play out his contract in Toronto. But Niklas Hagman, despite teasing us with spurts of offensive flair, struggles with consistency and doesn’t have as clearly defined of a role etched within Burke’s mould. If you factor in the fact that Lee Stempniak’s contract is expiring, finding top 9 playing time for a Hanson or Stalberg on the wing next season shouldn’t be an issue even with Ponikarovsky in the fold.

I’m curious as to your thoughts,

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  • rockydundas

    @ paso:

    I was thinking as I was reading all the above posts, it certainly isn’t the ‘worst trade ever’ by the Leafs. God! Tell me the memories aren’t that short here! Courtnall for Kordic. 1st.(Niedermayer) for Kurvers. Getting Clark back with Schneider and sending a bunch of players and a first to NYI The first turns into Luongo.

    Oh God. Where’s my meds?

    I think it’s an interesting deal but not maybe what either team needs the most at this time. We need help at forward way more than defense. Maybe if Halak was somehow involved. I think the biggest thing is the draft choice. We just have to recoup the picks…

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  • derek

    @ rockydundas:
    maybe we could see if the leafs can beat the blues

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  • wags31

    Good to see Justin Pogge getting his confidence back after a Ron Wilson filled piece of shit year, Today Ronnie is once again crying to reporters about doing their job, calls them vultures, what the hell are they supposed to follow Ronnie? A winning streak? A win? A playoff bound team? When Hamilton said they wanted an NHL team, word is Brian Burke said so do we…I agree its not all Ronnie, but he needs to take a page out of Burkes’ latest book, how to shut up and disappear when you haven’t done a dam thing to improve this team. Last year it was all Vesa’s fault, this year Vesa again along with the monster, and the high priced defence Mr. Burke gathered in the off season. So next season when Vesa isn’t here , will it still be his fault Ronnie? Your coaching days have been long surpassed by a new NHL, in short, You Suck! The team hates him, as did the San Jose Team before, Bring in someone to work with the team, not ridicule the players after every game. One more year of Ronnie Hockey, and we lose some more young players like Schenn, the guy is a Keenan wanna-be, problem is he wants his players to play tough, this coming from the biggest whimp that every laced them up, who is going to listen? Move on Burkie, the Ballard train is still rolling!

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  • rockydundas

    @ derek:
    Hahaha! Dundas or St. Louis? Not sure they’d have a chance at either! LOL!

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  • derek

    @ rockydundas:
    i was thinking dundas……and your right they would have a hard time…

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  • B Leaf

    At this point I could care less what happens to Wilson, but I think he is an OK coach. The problem with this team is BURKE! This team is carrying 6 players or more who would barely play in some teams farm system. Vesa Toskala is actually statistically worse than Raycroft was! Rickard Wallin- C’mon man! John Mitchell- nothing more than a third liner on a farm team! Exelby- farm hand. Stempniak- this guy will not make a playoff teams roster (maybe a 13th forward). Primeau wouldn’t crack a playoff team top 12 forwards either. What a disaster.
    I said it last off season that by keeping Kaberle around they never really changed the clubhouse atmosphere. Kaberle was Sundinized and continues to go out on the ice with no defensive purpose.
    If we held our picks we would be happy right now at the prospect of getting a franchise player. But no Burke has ruined that. This team is the biggest joke in all professional sports right now. Last place bound and no picks for two years- C’mon man! Burke’s trades for Kessel, Exelby, and the signing of Komisarek, Wallin, and Primeau are evidence enough to get this guy out of town before he does more damage. FIRE BURKE!

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