Charlie wrote:
the_cause2000 wrote:
Charlie wrote:
the_cause2000 wrote:
Charlie wrote:
1) If Kovalchuk hits free agency and his demands are semi-reasonable and he’s not against signing in Toronto, he WILL be a Leaf.
LOL
well that’s a pretty safe prediction…so basically, if the leafs have a free shot at him, they’ll take it? ya wh doesnt think that.
However, reality says he’s going to get roughly 8.5 – 10.5 per year and is looking for 6-10 years.
If his demands are reasonable, 50% of the NHl is going to try to sign him. If his demands are unreasonable, only a handful of teams can afford to make him an offer. If Kovalchuk becomes a leaf, it means we paid him a boatload of money to be here.
So by your argument, he WONT be in Toronto next season
You’re making your own definition of what reasonable is.
Yes, if Kovalchuk signs for $5 mil a year, the whole league would take him. But obviously that’s now what I meant by reasonable. If rumours of him wanting the league max are true, that’s not reasonable.
At the end of the day, if he has a reasonable contract (that does NOT mean below market value or a steal) and obviously he has nothing against Toronto, then he will choose the Toronto offer.
so what’s reasonable then? $8-9mil? 7-8 years? I’m sure a lot of teams can afford him at that price.
Toronto only comes into play if Kaberle and Finger are axed and the contract is $10mil+….otherwise, more competeive teams will come knocking with visions of a Stanley Cup…soemthing we’re about 3-4 years away from
That’s my point!!! A lot of teams will want him and he will choose the Leafs. Hence my guarantee…. you’re finally catching on.
Right. I get what you said, but you’re wrong.
If Toronto is trying to compete with 15 other teams to sign Kovalchuk at a reasonable price, and the majority of them are contenders, your guarantee makes little sense. Why would he pick Toronto over a better team also in a large market?
Toronto’s ace in the hole is cap space, and the only way they can get Kovalchuk, other than dumb luck, is to overpay and outbid every team for his services.
Being condescending doesnt validate your hollow gaurantee

No shit it’s a hollow guarantee. What the hell else can it be. I don’t work for MLSE or Kovalchuk, nor do I have naked pictures of them mounting Burkie’s son. It’s a personal prediction/guarantee. So get over it.

And my point is, he WILL choose Toronto even with other teams bidding for him. That is part of the guarantee.

I’m not trying to be condescending, but holy hell I have never experienced someone trying so desperately to find fault in a prediction I have.

the_cause2000 wrote:
Charlie wrote:
the_cause2000 wrote:
Charlie wrote:
1) If Kovalchuk hits free agency and his demands are semi-reasonable and he’s not against signing in Toronto, he WILL be a Leaf.
LOL
well that’s a pretty safe prediction…so basically, if the leafs have a free shot at him, they’ll take it? ya wh doesnt think that.
However, reality says he’s going to get roughly 8.5 – 10.5 per year and is looking for 6-10 years.
If his demands are reasonable, 50% of the NHl is going to try to sign him. If his demands are unreasonable, only a handful of teams can afford to make him an offer. If Kovalchuk becomes a leaf, it means we paid him a boatload of money to be here.
So by your argument, he WONT be in Toronto next season
You’re making your own definition of what reasonable is.
Yes, if Kovalchuk signs for $5 mil a year, the whole league would take him. But obviously that’s now what I meant by reasonable. If rumours of him wanting the league max are true, that’s not reasonable.
At the end of the day, if he has a reasonable contract (that does NOT mean below market value or a steal) and obviously he has nothing against Toronto, then he will choose the Toronto offer.
so what’s reasonable then? $8-9mil? 7-8 years? I’m sure a lot of teams can afford him at that price.
Toronto only comes into play if Kaberle and Finger are axed and the contract is $10mil+….otherwise, more competeive teams will come knocking with visions of a Stanley Cup…soemthing we’re about 3-4 years away from
That’s my point!!! A lot of teams will want him and he will choose the Leafs. Hence my guarantee…. you’re finally catching on.

Right. I get what you said, but you’re wrong.

If Toronto is trying to compete with 15 other teams to sign Kovalchuk at a reasonable price, and the majority of them are contenders, your guarantee makes little sense. Why would he pick Toronto over a better team also in a large market?

Toronto’s ace in the hole is cap space, and the only way they can get Kovalchuk, other than dumb luck, is to overpay and outbid every team for his services.

Being condescending doesnt validate your hollow gaurantee

@Charlie
Kessler is one of my fave players..that would be sweet
I still think that if you package Grabs, Poni along with Kabs, could snag a couple good players who are equal to the same cap hit…for some reason this comes to mind…
TOR trades
Grabs-26yrs old–GP42/G7/A18/P25– 2.75M
Poni-29yrs old–GP56/G19/A20/P39–2.50M, (UFA)
Kabs-31yrs old–GP56/G5/A38/P43–4.25M
Cap hit-9.5M
to Dallas for
B.Richards-29yrs old–GP53/G15/A44/P59– 7.8M
B.Morrow-31yrs–GP50/G14/A15/P29– 4.1M
2nd round pick
cap hit-11.9
We get an instant first line C and LW to play with Kessel, captain material in Morrow, and both are only 30ish and have some good years left in them. We also recoup a pick for taking on such a big contract.
Dallas, on the other hand, gets a real good puck mover in Kabs, get a relatively young player in Grabs who has some upside, and Poni who actually is younger than Morrow and has better numbers, this year anyway, and they also trim 2.4 million of the books, almost 5M if they don’t resign Poni.

Call me crazy, but I’d be pretty close to pulling that trigger.

Richards would be excellent as #1 centre. And Morrow is an absolute beast! The very definition of a power forward, plus his leadership qualities are excellent. Poni is a UFA, Grabo could be an odd man out if Kadri and Bozak pass him and Kaberle, well we need him to get forwards.

I like it a lot.

Question is, does Dallas 1) trade away their captain and 2) trade away their top scorer.

I’m not sure they do.

I still think that if you package Grabs, Poni along with Kabs, could snag a couple good players who are equal to the same cap hit…for some reason this comes to mind…

TOR trades
Grabs-26yrs old–GP42/G7/A18/P25– 2.75M
Poni-29yrs old–GP56/G19/A20/P39–2.50M, (UFA)
Kabs-31yrs old–GP56/G5/A38/P43–4.25M
Cap hit-9.5M

to Dallas for

B.Richards-29yrs old–GP53/G15/A44/P59– 7.8M
B.Morrow-31yrs–GP50/G14/A15/P29– 4.1M
2nd round pick
cap hit-11.9

We get an instant first line C and LW to play with Kessel, captain material in Morrow, and both are only 30ish and have some good years left in them. We also recoup a pick for taking on such a big contract.

Dallas, on the other hand, gets a real good puck mover in Kabs, get a relatively young player in Grabs who has some upside, and Poni who actually is younger than Morrow and has better numbers, this year anyway, and they also trim 2.4 million of the books, almost 5M if they don’t resign Poni.

Kinger wrote:
Charlie wrote:
The King wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Let me clarify my Kovalchuk guarantee:
If Kovalchuk hits free agency, he WILL be a Leaf.
The only two things that will stop that is:
1) If he hates Toronto for some reason
2) If his demands are crazy. As in, league maximum crazy.
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I would love this to be true, problem is it will be for the league max or there abouts. He will get 10 yrs at 10 mil per.
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So he will not be a Leaf, though I still hope
If that was his contract, I wold be very happy that Burke says no.
I’m with you, Kovalchuk should not be making anymore then Crosby, so if we could get him around there or maybe a lil bit higher then Crosby I’d go for it other then that, I would pass, How ever if that price was the case, every team would try to sign him (who don’t have cap problems), and I bet he would have re-signed, but never know he could want out of Atl, but playing it off like they just can’t afford him, only time will tell.
Whoever signs Kovalchuk won’t have a 10 million dollar cap hit. Likely, it will be similar to the Hossa deal excpet more money. Hossa has a cap hit near the 5.2 million dollar range. Excpet Kovy’s cap hit to be around 7 million which is pretty affordable for what he brings. His salary for the first few seasons will be 10 million, maybe a bit more though.

If that were the case, my guarantee applies. (Again, unless he has something against living here)

Charlie, BB – Gilles relations arent great. Can you sense another Kessel situation? We cant give up more picks

No, not for picks. I was thinking more along the lines of Kaberle.

The thing is, their need for defense is now because of three significant injuries, not next year.

Charlie wrote:
The King wrote:
Charlie wrote:
Let me clarify my Kovalchuk guarantee:
If Kovalchuk hits free agency, he WILL be a Leaf.
The only two things that will stop that is:
1) If he hates Toronto for some reason
2) If his demands are crazy. As in, league maximum crazy.
.
.
I would love this to be true, problem is it will be for the league max or there abouts. He will get 10 yrs at 10 mil per.
.
.
So he will not be a Leaf, though I still hope
If that was his contract, I wold be very happy that Burke says no.
I’m with you, Kovalchuk should not be making anymore then Crosby, so if we could get him around there or maybe a lil bit higher then Crosby I’d go for it other then that, I would pass, How ever if that price was the case, every team would try to sign him (who don’t have cap problems), and I bet he would have re-signed, but never know he could want out of Atl, but playing it off like they just can’t afford him, only time will tell.

Whoever signs Kovalchuk won’t have a 10 million dollar cap hit. Likely, it will be similar to the Hossa deal excpet more money. Hossa has a cap hit near the 5.2 million dollar range. Excpet Kovy’s cap hit to be around 7 million which is pretty affordable for what he brings. His salary for the first few seasons will be 10 million, maybe a bit more though.

It also makes me not even wanna bother speculating on trades or reading the rumour sites because they have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. The confidentiality of this deal was superior and contributed to a far better deal than would be done if there were leaks and crap.

Well done Burke and Sutter. Youre both professional winners here.