Is history repeating or will this time be different?

by on April 2, 2010 in Leafs News - 174 Comments

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Brian Burke has done an outstanding job of refacing the Leafs organization in a very short period of time.  I for one am predicting a very surprising season from the Leafs as early as next year or the year after, once again propelling them into the playoffs and a very respectable playoff drive.  The cumulative effort of acquiring several players and prospects that are “NHL ready” is absolutely and positively an impressive feat.  Acquiring a player with the pedigree of Dion Phaneuf for almost zero significant cost was sheer brilliance.  His relentless pursuit of, and ultimate acquisitions of players like Bozak, Hanson and Gustavsson inspire the type of confidence and hope that has been lacking in this city and in this franchise for almost a decade.

Having said all of this, any Leaf Fan old enough to remember the Tom Kurvers for a 1st round pick fiasco are left waking up to night tremors and cold sweats when thinking about the Phil Kessel trade (2 1st round picks + a 2nd round pick).  The Leafs of course finished near the bottom of the standings that season, and although Tom Kurvers was a premier offensive defenseman in the NHL for the Leafs when acquired and on a couple of other occasions thereafter, the organization never did recover from the loss of Scott Niedermayer (drafted 3rd overall).  Now, almost 20 years later, seeing the Leafs season play out in the exact same manner, and worse yet, another 1st round pick to come next year, one has to wonder what the fallout of this transaction will be a few years down the road.  It is quite possible neither Burke nor Kessel will be representing the Leafs Blue and White at that time, yet, the fans may be left, yet again, wondering “what if”???

The New Jersey Devils went on to win several Stanley Cups, defeating the very same Maple Leafs in a hard fought, 7 game semi final series, on the way to the cup in 2000 (a full 10 years after the dreaded trade).  Anyone who watched that series would be telling fabulous and fabricated tales if they could not admit that the series and likely the Cup would have gone to the Leafs had Niedermayer been a Leaf instead of a Devil.  New Jersey won 2 more cups in 1995 and 2003.  Of course, Niedermayer played a key role in those cup victories as well – Leaving Leaf fans to wonder exactly how many cups they may have won over the last 20 years if they had not traded away a high end 1st round pick.  Coming “close” themselves on a few occasions over that same time period, since that dreaded draft day right up until the trade deadline heading into the lockout, the Leafs scoured the NHL in a series of failed transactions and experiments, trying to fill the void left by losing out on drafting Scott Niedermayer.

What is really eerie about this situation though is that the similarities do not end there.  The Leafs had built a very competitive team starting with a trade with Calgary that brought Doug Gilmour to Toronto in exchange for several players that failed to make a significant impact in Calgary after the trade.  The similarities to the Dion Phaneuf trade Burke recently closed with the same Calgary Flames are simply too similar to ignore.

Regardless of the optimism rightfully portrayed by Leaf fans, the reality of this situation is that the ultimate outcome of this trade will not be known for at least a decade.  Over the next 10 years, if the Bruins win one or more Cups, with significant contributions from the players drafted with our high end draft pick(s) then the cycle will have repeated itself yet again.  If the Bruins defeat the Leafs in a hard fought 6-7 game series, with key contributions from assets that “should have” been wearing the Blue and White on the way to winning the cup, how will this trade be looked upon by all that follow the club?  Leaf fans will be compelled to disagree and defend their hope and emotional investment with the typical and anticipated arguments to these statements.  Yet, it has happened before, and, at least to me, seems to be shaping up to happen again.

Personally, I have ZERO doubt that Burke is building a contending and dangerous team in Toronto.  I am eternally grateful for the youth movement that has been initiated and realized in Toronto – and I fully recognize that Burke is to thank for this transformation.  However, the movement of two first round picks (and at least one assured to be a top 1-3 pick) is completely unforgivable for an organization in a full rebuild mode and absolutely wreaks of typical political posturing where the future is neglected in place of immediate public gratification.  This is quite a common tactic in politics, where assets are sold for well below future market value in order to make the immediate and short term bottom line more appealing to  the public (Canadians only need to compare the sale price vs the current market price of assets like Petro Canada and the ETR-407 to understand these comments).  Unfortunately, it is quite possible that Leaf fans will not realize the real impact of this move for almost a decade.  Ultimately however, if the worse comes to fruition and the mistakes are recognized, in typical self preservationist Leaf fan mentality, the moves will be dismissed as ancient history and a new regime will be in place with new hope and new promises – as is typical in Toronto, all previous sins will be forgiven and the eternal fountain of hope will prevail.

I myself am as guilty of this as anyone else.  I will be paying big bucks into the MLSE financial machine for tickets, ad revenue, merchandise, etc – cheering and screaming for the Leafs to win along side everyone else.  But the margin between being a competitor and being a champion is very, very small.  1-2 higher end (or, worse yet, elite) players can easily be the difference between winning and losing a series and a Cup.  In 5-10 years time (or sooner), when the Bruins and Leafs are locked in an epic playoff battle, and I am watching Leaf draft picks bury my beloved Leafs on the way to a Cup victory, I will think back to the Phil Kessel trade and I will absolutely cringe at the thought and understanding that this was ultimately inevitable – and as a full fledged Leafs junkie, I will hope beyond hope that the next GM will not make the same mistake…

The opposite view point also carries some validity and is worth mentioning as it is certainly plausible.  This is a different era, under a hard cap system.  The window to build a contender and ultimately win the cup is much shorter.  Player movement has increased, and although typically teams have locked up their own drafted stars into long term and highly lucrative contracts, it is possible this trend will not continue and more and more of these talented players will be actually available at younger and younger ages – and the possibility exists that MLSE management will maintain the cap flexibility and abundance of home grown and inexpensive youth required in order to accommodate the acquisition of these high profile players via the expensive UFA and trade routes.  The Bruins may not be able to hold onto the picks acquired from Toronto long enough to realize the benefits. The high 1st round pick may end up being a bust, and the immediate results gamble that is Phil Kessel may pay off will result in the Leafs hoisting the Cup.  Bad managerial decisions on behalf of the Bruins, or absolutely brilliant maneuvering from Burke (or the future GM), may negate the cycle from repeating itself.

I am quite hopeful that Burke can overcome this and creatively acquire these high end assets via alternate methods and in the short time frame required to fall within Phil Kessel’s – not too mention his own – shelf life in Toronto.  For a seasoned veteran like myself, I find this unlikely, but, like everyone reading this blog, I maintain hope.

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  • Kostas

    lol. It feels good to have a GM that gets things done.
    I personally don’t see Calgary wanting Stajan if it wasn’t for Kessel. Stajan’s stock went up due to Kessel’s scoring abilities… seriously stajan would have been playing with Blake if not for Kessel and we all know how that could have turned out. Now let’s not forget what do we do with Bozak and Kadri had we drafted Seguin? Thing is Seguin or Hall could pull a Hedman. Look at Myers for Buffalo… he’s playing like he should have gone 2nd overall. It’s a chance that you take on these kids. Why not go for the sure thing and grab Kessel who is showing that with a true #1 line, he could put up 50 goals a year.

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  • Darkjester

    i’m Thinking leafs go 3-1 for the rest of the season and Tampa goes 1-3. It doesn’t look likely that we will pass Florida in the standings but i’m praying to the hockey gods we drop a spot in the draft lottery. Making the draft order. Panthers, Oilers, Lightning, Bruins, Islanders.

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  • Doorman

    Reality Check!

    I cant imagine going into next season with-out Kessel on the Team!

    Say we did not trade or #1 pick and #2 for this year. What would we be looking at for a team next year? (no Kessel)

    We stunk the season out and now we are looking forward to what; Hall, or seqin as our fist pick. Boy thats a lot faith and hope for next year!

    I for one am pumped that we have a 22 year old who has the potential to score 40 to 50 goals a season. He is one piece of the puzzel; But
    Now Burkie can work on geting another piece (forward ) who can fit in
    with Kessel to add more scorring depth to his line. Kessel is a sniper; Leaf nation has never had one of these guys before. ( 22 & 30g)
    Got to like it! This is a cap system now; dont compare before the lock-out. ( apples and oranges).

    Im just saying we are a way better team with Kessel now; then waiting
    on what or who might be our 1st pick next year. Even if pick turns out to be a franchise guy. We have one NOW!

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  • Darkjester

    I’m not sure if anyone has brought this up but do you guys think Grabs is playing with kessel to raise his trade value like he did with Stajan. Just an interesting thought i thought i would share.

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  • Kostas

    @Darkjester

    Yea, I believe that Grabo is gone during the summer. Either packaged with Kabs for a top 6 forward or to get us a 1st, 2nd, and a prospect at this year’s draft.

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  • Johnfergusonjr

    @ Kostas:
    Lol pull a Hedman, his numbers are almost identical to Doughty’s from last season. Hedman has franchise written all over him. (I doubt he becomes as good as Doughty in offensive production but he is already similar in defense).

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  • Kostas

    @ Andrew

    I totally agree.

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  • Kostas

    @Jr

    Hedman has Stamkos, Lecavalier, St. louis, Malone… need I go on?

    Who did Doughty have besides Kopitar?

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  • BleedBlue8

    Phil Kessel will be a 50 goal scorer, there is no doubt in my mind. In the next couple years, we add a few more offensive pieces to this team including a play maker, he pots 50. Hall and Seguin may be quality players down the road but there is no way they will ever have the same release/goal scoring abilities as Phil. I find it funny that the Toronto media never mentions that the Bruins are the lowest scoring team in the league this year and thats why I believe they miss Kessel more than we miss our two 1st’s. Kessel may be soft on the puck and might be a bit greedy when it comes to trying to do it all himself at times but I’m 20 years old and the Leafs have never had a young legitimate sniper in the 15 years I’ve been a fan so I think we should just enjoy it and forget about the large price we gave up. You have to give a lot to get a lot.

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  • Johnfergusonjr

    @ Kostas:
    Frolov and Brown were on that team and he played the most minutes on his team + the most PP minutes. Hedman barely sees the PP. Their numbers and skill are very comparable.

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  • Jordan

    @Andrew
    I like you and like the way you stick to your ideas….but man, I don’t see how you can so wrapped up in the draft hype like this. Hall and Seguin are just talked about so much because of default and there’s not Tavares, Crosby, Malkin or OV this year. There’s a good chance that they will be great for sure but you REALLY wanna test our drafting luck? When was the last time (other then Schenn and Kadri let’s hope) that we can look bvack and say “wow, lucky us”? Never is the answer. That’s what I’m allllll about. Is that there’s no way we get screwed in the kessel deal because we %100 own him at the perfect age. Also, what if Seguin turns into Kyle Turris? Same exact numbers comming up and same hype. If that happened we would be FUCKED as a organization for even more year. That’s all I think about it. Burke is playing the odds and the odds of a player drafted with those pick is better then Kessel is pretty low.
    You can also pick apart kessel and say he isn’t physical enough and whatever, but Hall and Seguin will have flaws too you know. Phaneuf, Schenn, Kessel, and Kadri are enough of a young core to build from. Bozak and Gustavsson (for free mind you) are just gravy
    ALSO lol, there is soooooooo many different reasons that the Phaneuf trade would have not happened if we didn’t have kessel. Sou ds stupid but remember on the Simpsons when Homer sneezed on the Dinosaur and it changed history? Lol well same thing. What if White got hurt? Stajan got hurt? Someone offered a decent deal for Hagman because he looked better because he scored a few goals more (ones that Kessel scored)? Stajan for sure mooched off Kessel a bit and made him better and he was the key in the deal I think. Sutter needed a legit (well he thought he was) #1 center. The Phaneuf deal I would bet didn’t happen and Burke would have delt other players for other things.
    Our team is exactly how I like them to be now, and to be as blunt as I can….fuck the 2 1sts, we got good value for that trade, and if they were people I woulld punch them in the ear….
    Ugghhhh, please appriciate this post cause I’m on my BB and it took forever lol

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  • Kostas

    Hey I’m just saying, for what Hedman has surrounding him and for what Tyler Myers has surrounding him there is no way a 12 overall pick should be putting up better numbers and getting more ice time than a second overall pick that’s suppose to be a franchise player and is “NHL ready.” If Hedman was NHL ready than he would have been playing on the PP and such. Fact is Hedman was overrated. I’m not saying he’s not a good player by any means….
    Now I’m off to work so don’t post anything till later tonight when i can read it and comment on it.. lol.. CHeers boys!
    GO LEAFS GO

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  • Jordan

    @ scowild:
    True, I never understood why people talk about PIMs being a good stat. Unless your name is Colton Orr, no player we own should have a lot of PIMs

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  • Jordan

    @ Kostas:
    Work? On a weekend? What are you a female? Sit the fuck down and have a beer lol

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  • Johnfergusonjr

    @ Jordan:
    Epic…yet so masoganistic. The perfect blend.

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  • rockydundas

    I would be interested to see what the demographics are with respect to the ages of people who don’t like the Kessel deal. I’m 39 so I will assume I am on the older half of the ledger here. I’ve seen so many players become stars with picks that had belonged to someone else.

    Lafleur
    Corson
    Niedermayer
    Luongo
    Bourque
    Lafontaine

    My biggest concern is five or six years from now. Seguin and Hall will just be reaching their potential. Kessel may be signing as a free agent somewhere else. The youth pipeline needs to stay strong so burke will have to do some very good drafting in the next two years to ensure the continued success down the road

    If Hall turns into a superstar as Kessel is leaving, how will people feel then? It’s a REAL question folks!

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  • Jordan

    @ rockydundas:
    There’s no chance in hell a player like Kessel hits UFA at 26 years old. The only guy who is a top player and hit the UFA is Kovalchuk, but that’s Atlanta, not Toronto. It just won’t happen. Even so, what if then 3 years later Hall/Seguin does the same? Same odds for every player. I just hope to God we pass just ONE team and this talk is vanished. Other then Hall, and Seguin it seems pretty empty. Tsn will never say that though but it does

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  • scowild

    @ rockydundas:

    Clearly depends on our success attained while Kessel is here, and whether or not he actually decides to leave.

    If Hall turns into a superstar, at the time Kessel leaves, presumably they will feel like “hmmm…we had success FIRST, as opposed to LATER”. You wanna feel good about the Leafs now or later bud?

    Say he extends early, which is obviously going to be of very high importance for Brian Burke going forward if he’s still around during the last 2 years of Phil’s contract, which, he damn well should be…then we’ll feel like we gave up a not ready superstar for a present superstar who is still a superstar. K?

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  • Bring the Cup Home

    i would not trade schenn. period.

    this guy is going to be an absolute beast starting from day 1 next season. a beast. for years to come. in blue and white. he is awesome and i would not want to see him go.

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  • rockydundas

    @ Jordan:
    @ scowild:

    I get your points…I’m just sayin’ that history is not too kind to teams that trade away first picks. I’m very excited about this team and I love watching Kessel. it’s just that it kinda feels like a payday loan or something.

    I will say however, that the point that makes the Kessel deal different than some of the trades I mentioned above, is that the player that the Leafs got was young and oozes potential. Historically, picks were traded for players past their prime, at the trade deadline for a push for the cup. This trade will never be as bad as the Kurvers deal or the the Luongo deal. Even if Hall becomes a Steve Yzerman type player but Kessel is potting 50 by the time he’s 24, I’m ok with it.

    I just get the distinct feeling that the people that are ok with the deal, are people who didn’t sit there cringing at the 1991 draft.

    A lot of the Leafs good young players are going to be approaching free agency age when Hall and Seguin will be reaching their potential. Doesn’t anyone else see that as a problem?

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