Commodity or Cornerstone

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Maybe it was indicative of how fragile the Leafs psyche had become after relinquishing such an unexpectedly high draft pick to the Bruins, or maybe it was just a reaction to the mid-summer boredom brought upon as the Kovalchuk saga stop-gaped the NHL trade wires, but the recent trade rumours surrounding Luke Schenn suggests a seismic shift has taken place in Leafs Nation with regards to the future and how to obtain long sought after success.

One that seems to have embraced a cap defiant means of rebuilding in an age of tank-to-win.

Indeed, prior to the hiring of Brian Burke, Leafs Nation appeared for maybe the first time in its history, to be ready for a long overhaul. Be it a troubling necessity in the cap era, the 29 teams that don’t boast the Red Wings scouting staff have largely had to fail before they could succeed. Building through the draft has subsequently becoming a byword in commentators’ circles and certainly helped secure championships in Pittsburgh and Chicago, both an early barometer to the ultimate effects of a prolonged revenue based cap.

Foregoing months of argument, the virtues of Kessel over draft picks and whatever merits he may bring, the building through the draft avenue appears closed for now in Leafland and while there is no need for panic yet; placing a sophomore, 5th overall defenseman on the fantasy trading block is a troubling end result.

Call it buying in by necessity; while many accepted Burke wanted a quick turnaround in Toronto, few anticipated the cost would be first round draft picks, yet be it on name or reputation, Burke has done a stellar job weathering a year of criticism that rained down when expectation met dreadful performance.

Termed a retool as opposed to a rebuild (read: lose, rinse-and-repeat), the Kessel trade has implemented a line of thinking deemed unimaginable when belts were buckled for a few torrid seasons in the leagues basement. A back-to-the-future approach to building a winner; trading out potential for proven talent.

And in one respect it is easy to buy-in, after all Phil Kessel does not represent previous Leafs GM’s attitude of trading away picks and potential for veterans, circling the coil on their careers. Kessel is 22 and already has two 30 goal seasons to his name.

But recent whispers surrounding Schenn are different; Tyler Seguin was never a hero in Toronto, while amidst the number 17’s, number 93’s and number 13’s there is an ever growing contingency of number 2’s adorning paying fans backs. Schenn is one of the faces of the new age of the Leafs; an ingrained symbol of the franchises rebirth and you would think untouchable as a result.

But every player has his price. The Leafs are in tough for scoring and need another top line big body to fill the void of pugnacity up front. Schenn for Ryan or Schenn for Neal? While the improbability of both has quietened the initial speculation, the former would make sense.

Having traded away Pronger on draft day 2009 and Scott Niedermayer calling time on his storied career this summer, Schenn would make a good fit in Anaheim and alongside Luca Sbisa the Ducks would have one of the finest young-defensive tandems in the game. Meanwhile the Leafs would gain another proven scorer, one who teamed up with Wilson, Kessel and Burke en route to a silver medal in Vancouver and who could provide a hardened foil on a previously soft frontend.

On the face of it, the Leafs would win a coup. Schenn was a shadow of his former self last year while Ryan appears on the up and up.

But is Luke Schenn that disposable considering the developmental curve for a shutdown defenseman is glacial compared to a player such as Bobby Ryan?

As the old football adage goes offense wins you games, defence wins you championships and while teams such as Pittsburgh and Chicago have recently scrubbed that ideal from hockey, the principle remains.

Last season Schenn was the victim of a deeply rooted ideology that you always have to work on your strength as well as your conditioning. There is no doubt you have to keep elite-level fit to remain competitive at the top, but the idea that you have to keep adding to your strength is somewhat redundant when you enter the league at 6-2, 215lbs. Over bulked and still suffering from the knee injury that plagued him at the end of his rookie campaign, Schenn suffered a sophomore slump that was not helped by those around him.             

Regardless of his struggles, the sentiment remained largely the same. Fletcher worked his tail off to secure this kid who can hit and fight and block with the best of them and still only 20. In a team largely devoid of personality, Schenn is a humble Canadian kid far removed from many of the leagues young prima donnas and thoroughly likeable both on and off the ice, Many, if not most, Leafs fan’s favourite players.

Even those who dare to suggest trading Schenn seem to hate the idea, but the concept is also indicative of another shift in the fan base. One that has begun to question what return, if any, previous blue chip commodity Tomas Kaberle will yield.

With a waning contract and a stagnant trade pool exacerbated by numerous clubs cap struggles, many anticipate Kaberle’s value has grossly reduced on the market and is unlikely to return a bona-fide top 6 forward.

And subsequently the focus shifts to younger Leafs and a pattern; trading away prospects alongside picks, a well trodden and questionable tactic even if the return is youth in kind.

So does speculation amount to a return to the days of trading away draft picks and youngsters for immediate success?

Not in the manner one could attribute to JFJ, or any of Brian Burke’s predecessors for that matter considering the return is comparable both in talent and age. But the irksome thing about Schenn is he represents something far greater at this point in Burke’s era. A conscience for a younger, unproven team still grappling with its identity, a player much adored both within the hardcore and casual fan base.

Many may deny it, but much of the good faith Brian Burke rode into town on was eroded by the Kessel trade, and continued to be so as the team peaked and troughed its way to a 29th place finish. Trading away Schenn, for whatever return, would only serve to alienate certain corners of Leafs Nation further still and in particular those that never gave up on the full scale rebuild to which Schenn and Kadri represent a fork in the road.

But this is all rhetoric. Burke, who drafted Chris Pronger in 1993, is a known fan of Schenn while Ducks GM Bob Murray has unequivocally iced rumours concerning Bobby Ryan. Therefore it is the stuff of fantasy, but what it stands for is perhaps more significant; that Leafs Nation has dropped the notion of building through the draft and has reluctantly bought into the necessities of Burke’s old school approach, even if it is an approach many thought unthinkable prior to the Kessel trade and even if it’s an approach that has the potential to leave a bad taste in the mouth for supporters and detractors alike.

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  • Only_crime

    and youve got holzer mikus aulie and gysbers

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  • moimoi28

    @ ndk:
    Oh yeah, I forgot about him. Probably still need’s time in the AHL though. Blacker still has one year left in the OHL.

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  • slowburn

    It appears the ‘Bring back Poni’ camp just won’t completely go away. Eight years of futility with the Leafs & an abysmal failure with the Pens. He doesn’t do anything particularly well & has zero passion. Let’s just move forward with the kids.
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    Luke isn’t getting traded. Period.
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    Mr. Sweatt — meet Mr. Phaneuf, Mr. Orr, Mr. Brown, Mr. Schenn, Mr. Armstrong, & Mr. Komisarek.
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    Go Leafs Go.

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  • Richard-Steven Williams

    Gysbers was brutal in the AHL, but the kid hadn’t been there long when I saw him, but of the two Germans we have, Holzer is by far the more exciting IMO. Mueller is a season or two away from the NHL.

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  • Kostas

    I think from now on… Phaneuf should be sitting beside Nonis and Burke when dealing with young kids and their dumb ass agents. Just have him sit and look at the kid the whole time. Not blinking or anything…

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  • Mortagleus

    I know Burke has withdrawn offers to sweat but mabey they have come to and agreement to wait until Sweatt becomes a ufa. Just curious if Burke were to sign him now would it have to be an entry level contract or could it be a regular contract? If Burke signs to an entry level contract like bozak’s then Sweatt may have to wait until there is Cap space available (long term injury)to get his chance just like bozak did at the end of the year. But if he signs a 2 way ufa contract with out the bonuses lets say for 1 mil( i know he’s not worth that yet) he could make himself a more viable call up then if he signed say 650 000 + 2 mil in bonuses Cap hit 2.65mil (could be higher Bozak was 3.75mil). Sweatt would in essense would be guarenteed more money and better chance to play in the bigs and leafs could more easily place him on the leafs without worring about being penalized by the Bonus issues at the end of next year. Please give me your thoughts.

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  • AussieLeaf

    @ moimoi28
    Thin on Defense – I think not. Gunnarsson and Lebda and their price tag made Kaberle and Beauchemin expendable assets to obtain assets we need. Marlies 4 refers to Gysbers, Holzer, Aullie and Mikus. You are correct about Versteeg and Setoguchi not playing together in the WHL. They played together in Lethbridge as kids and remain best friends running a local Hockey school together.

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  • rustynail

    New blog is up

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  • Only_crime

    I really believe burke has withdrew offers to sweatt because hes tired of dealing with this kids agent im sure hes hoping the kid gives his agent an earfull and tell him to get a deal done with toronto. I would not have any hard feelings towards this kid if he did eventually sign here because i think his agent is doing most of the talking at this point. What im saying is lets not pass judgement on this kid till we hear something come from his mouth directly because hes probably getting fucked over by his agent at the moment.

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  • Kostas

    @Only_crime

    I don’t get it. At the end of the day, it’s the kid’s reputation that’s being damaged here. He has the final say in the matter. He now looks like an ass in front of the whole league. First Chicago couldn’t sign him, now Toronto. The agent tells the kid what’s on the table. Sweatt ultimately will decide if he wants more money or not. Why are we giving this kid a free ride and bashing the agent?

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  • leafs89

    @ Killer:
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    I cannot understand why people keep saying that this team is no where near a playoff team! We were stuck with a pretty crappy team last year lead by Vesa, and it only took them a couple of months to sink the ship. After we got Phaneuf and Giguere, we were playing PLAYOFF paced hockey. Now take this playoff paced hockey team and add Versteeg, Armstrong and to a lesser extent Brown. That is definitely an improvement. I still love the Versteeg deal even though we lost Sweatt. Versteeg >>>>> Stalberg, and the rest of the equation are all prospects, nothing more. I’d be surprised if 2 of the 4 involved make it to the NHL. Also, I’m sick of people saying “get whatever you can for Kaberle” If the deals aren’t good, you keep him because the team is more playoff bound / competitive with him in the lineup than without. That being said, I have no doubt that he will be traded. Burke just has to play the waiting game. If he calls other GM’s about a Kaberle deal, he will be giving the game away. Things will soon pick up, especially after the Kovy deal, a small bidding war will take place and Kaberle will be gone. Just be patient! Also, Schenn is NEVER going to be traded, unless the return is ridiculous. I laugh every time I hear his name mentioned in trade rumors.

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  • Irishfanman

    Lets change it up

    Kabs Beauch Bozak Hanson Finger for Thornton and Clowe

    Clowe3.5 Thornton 7.2 Kessel 5.4
    Kulemin 2.3 Kadri (3.7) Versteeg 3.1
    Sjoes .750 Grabbo 2.9 Armstrong 3
    Brown .537 Mitchell .725 Orr 1
    Caputi .833

    Phaneuf 6.5 Schenn 2.97
    Komi 4.5 Lebda 1.45
    Gunnar .800 Aulie .800
    Holzer .800

    Gigs 6 Gus 1.35
    tucker 1

    cap hit 61 with bonuses, should be under cap with schenn and kadri bonus adjustment

    D weakened but Schenn Phaneouf and Gunnar are big minute D and Lebda is probably reday to step up too

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  • Dan hockey fan

    I think there has to be a better definition of power forward. I have been trying to read all the scouting reports on prospects and it seems most rank all big forwards as power forwards. What a waste of an evaluation.
    Eighty percent of big forwards have nothing to do with being a power forward.
    The true definition requires the forward to be able to play on the first and second line and not hurt the team defensively. He must be able to score. I have never seen a play making power forward. Yeah some power forwards can make plays but they are better scorers.
    Last and most important when a line mate is dirtied they are there with out exception. Justice must be handed out immediately. This raises the ability of all first and second line players. When their back is covered they will play with more heart. Why it has even been seen that a pansy will throw his weight around when a true power forward is on the ice covering his back.
    This is Canadian hockey as in Canada not Montreal. This should be Leaf hockey. Where is Burke’s Wendel? No team will trade one away once they know they have one. You have to draft one or trade for one while they are still a prospect. The Leafs need one bad. Armstrong is the closest thing they have and most keep wanting to play him on the third line.
    Kaberle should be traded for a Wendel prospect. Grabovski should be traded for a Wendel prospect.
    I don’t think I will use the word power forward anymore. Too many people are using it for big wimps. I hope somebody can come up with a new name for this type of player but for now he is a 1st line enforcer who can score. Burke your job is to go get one.
    When you don’t have one most coaches would put a third or fourth line enforcer on the ice with their top lines to protect them. This is one of Wilson’s failures. He has shown he will not do that.
    I don’t mind seeing Orr pound the other teams enforcer but this does nothing to protect our small skilled forwards. If the other teams forwards dirtied Savard or Kessell when he was with Boston Lucic came to their aid.
    Under Wilson the Leafs depend on the referee or a stretcher. This is not Canadian hockey nor was it the Leaf hockey I grew up watching. Why even Shack was better than what Wilson puts on the ice to protect our forwards. Since Wendel left the Leafs have not had one.

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  • honesthockey

    @ Dan hockey fan:

    It’s 2010!

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  • Dan hockey fan

    @ honesthockey:
    Last I looked Lucic and lots like him are still playing just not on the Leafs top two lines. Look where the Leafs finished. Nuff said.

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  • honesthockey

    Dan hockey fan wrote:

    @ honesthockey:
    Last I looked Lucic and lots like him are still playing just not on the Leafs top two lines. Look where the Leafs finished. Nuff said.

    Name the lots like him? And if you didn’t notice Lucic didn’t do much this past year when he wasn’t injured. He had 4 majors as well. Besides the way Kessel played, name me the other “parimeter” top six forwards.

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  • http://www.christian-discipleship.com/ Greg

    If they trade Schenn, I will quit being a Leafs fan. That would be the ultimate slap in the face.

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  • Dan hockey fan

    @ honesthockey:
    Iginla, Dustin Brown, Lecavalier, Getslav, Perry, Byfuglien, Toews, Mike Richards, Hartnell. Backes, Stewart to name a few
    Other than Armstrong, Orr and Brown all the other Leaf forwards need protection. All could be intimidated by a tough team in a series. This does not mean that Bozak, Kadri, Versteeg, Kessell and Kulemin are not good players. This means that players on the above list could physically punish them. Kulemin is getting stronger but I have never seen him go toe to toe with any on the first list.

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  • Joe50

    Dan hockey fan wrote:

    @ honesthockey:
    Iginla, Dustin Brown, Lecavalier, Getslav, Perry, Byfuglien, Toews, Mike Richards, Hartnell. Backes, Stewart to name a few
    Other than Armstrong, Orr and Brown all the other Leaf forwards need protection. All could be intimidated by a tough team in a series. This does not mean that Bozak, Kadri, Versteeg, Kessell and Kulemin are not good players. This means that players on the above list could physically punish them. Kulemin is getting stronger but I have never seen him go toe to toe with any on the first list.

    You make a valid point. I have faith in Burke to address this before season’s start, therefor let’s not waste time thinking about it.

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  • honesthockey

    Dan hockey fan wrote:

    @ honesthockey:
    Iginla, Dustin Brown, Lecavalier, Getslav, Perry, Byfuglien, Toews, Mike Richards, Hartnell. Backes, Stewart to name a few
    Other than Armstrong, Orr and Brown all the other Leaf forwards need protection. All could be intimidated by a tough team in a series. This does not mean that Bozak, Kadri, Versteeg, Kessell and Kulemin are not good players. This means that players on the above list could physically punish them. Kulemin is getting stronger but I have never seen him go toe to toe with any on the first list.

    You have listed 2 players from the Stanley Cup champions. One and the only one from that team I would consider even somewhat intimidatiing in Byfuglien has been traded. Toews, other than his skillset is hardly physically intimidating. Look at how many of the players you listed didn’t even qualify for the playoffs.
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    I get what you are saying somewhat but you confuse the issue profoundly with the word intimidation. High quality players who are bangers maybe but intimidating? Nope. Take Mike Richards for instance. Do you need to be aware when he’s out there? Yep. Based on what I have seen from Kadri you better also be aware when he’s on the ice.
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    When you say toe to toe with the first list are you suggesting Kulemin turn into a fighter to be better? Because physically I would match him up against any one on your list in winning puck battles. Fighting not so much.
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    From a physical standpoint I would match our defense up against any in the league. Are they intimidating? Would I like a big tough winger on our top 6? Yep. Who wouldn’t but as far as the group being intimidated and losing battles. I don’t see a problem.

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  • Dan hockey fan

    Toews and Richards were the most physically dominating players for Canada at the Olympics. They both play hard, game in and game out and do not back off an inch. Even mentioning Kadri in the same breath as them is an injustice to Kadri. He is still a boy. We can only hope at this point that he could stand up to players on this list in two to three years. If he is left to fight his battles by himself with the group I have mentioned his development will be set back. If he is going to play on the Leafs he needs someone riding shotgun. He would then be able to play with confidence. A lot of young players suffer from what some call a sophomore jinx. It is no jinx. Most players come into the NHL on a adrenaline high which gives them added strength and confidence. This wears off after being continually pushed around by stronger more powerful men. Then you see them thinking more which is when there game starts to suffer. This is not a jinx this is being somewhat intimidated which causes you to play with less moxie. When Kadri has really gained all the strength he most assuredly will over the next couple of years let us hope his drive has not been lost by then.

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  • honesthockey

    Dan hockey fan wrote:

    Toews and Richards were the most physically dominating players for Canada at the Olympics. They both play hard, game in and game out and do not back off an inch. Even mentioning Kadri in the same breath as them is an injustice to Kadri. He is still a boy. We can only hope at this point that he could stand up to players on this list in two to three years. If he is left to fight his battles by himself with the group I have mentioned his development will be set back. If he is going to play on the Leafs he needs someone riding shotgun. He would then be able to play with confidence. A lot of young players suffer from what some call a sophomore jinx. It is no jinx. Most players come into the NHL on a adrenaline high which gives them added strength and confidence. This wears off after being continually pushed around by stronger more powerful men. Then you see them thinking more which is when there game starts to suffer. This is not a jinx this is being somewhat intimidated which causes you to play with less moxie. When Kadri has really gained all the strength he most assuredly will over the next couple of years let us hope his drive has not been lost by then.

    Wrong on sentence one. Toews was solid and probably Canada’s best overall player but physically dominating? Nope. Richards either. If you are talking about effort than that’s different and I would suggest that we better get full effort from all players to make a forward move. That was clearly lacking in previous seasons and one of the biggest Leaf culture problems. By all accounts a Versteeg is considered a relentless checker and his giveaway/takeaway ratio indicates such. Kulemin is solid along the boards and Bozak won his fair share of board battles as well.

    In the pre lockout era of hockey I would agree with you. In pre lockout hockey the hooking and holding that occured would wear on a younger player. Today not so much. Anyone taking liberties will still have to deal with one of the leagues best fighters in Orr. Past Leaf lineups have been physically un-imposing. This lineup boasts plenty of physicality and effort.

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  • Dan hockey fan

    @ honesthockey:
    Any star player taking liberties with any forwards will not have to deal with Orr. The modern NHL has definitely drifted to make the enforcers role nothing more than entertainment. Heavyweight enforcers only go toe to toe with other heavyweight enforcers.
    This has only made players like Iginla, Dustin Brown etc more valuable. They can go toe to toe with any forward and will not have to deal with Orr. Wilson would never even put Orr on the ice against them.
    Orr only protects his fourth line, linemates. The enforcer’s role is ridiculous. If a first line player however gets in a spontaneous tussle with your first line player he has to stand up for himself. The third man in rule stops other players involvement.
    Most of the best fights are spontaneous fights between star athletes who are competing to win the hockey game, not staged for entertainment fights that modern hockey has adopted.
    Battles for the puck, with physical contact, wear down the weaker player and that is why you usually see them drifting away from the corners or in front of the net. A player like Armstrong if he is on the ice with the first or second line can make opponents tkink twice about taking liberties with non power forwards, giving them much more ice to operate in.
    I won’t even address the Toews comment, every NHL player would disagree with you. Toews is the ideal physically dominating forward who is only going to get stronger. You will never see him shy away from contact.

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