FanPost: Why Not Frolov?

by Michael Cuttell

Put your hand up if you think the Leafs are only one or two pieces away from winning a Stanley Cup this year. OK, I admire your enthusiasm, but put your hands down! There’s actually a good reason I’ve posed this question and I’ll come to it again in just a minute. With the long awaited Kaberle trade still looming, many in Leafs Nation have asked the question: If he could be had so cheaply, why didn’t Burke sign Frolov? The answer is that he didn’t want him; and trust me Leafs’ fans, you don’t want him either!

Frolov did not sign with New York to win a Stanley Cup. New York did not suggest, in their sales pitch to Frolov, “Come to New York and you can be part of a team that’s making a run at a championship.” Frolov wouldn’t care if they were. His one-year contract, with a team desperate for top-tier offense, in one of the world’s largest sporting markets, is designed to give Frolov an opportunity to showcase himself to the league. If he plays his cards right, he thinks he can put himself back on the market next year and get a big long-term contract to round out his career. Frolov want his payday. He’s going to play one year of big-time hockey in a big-time market to get it.

Don’t misunderstand me, Frolov is a talented player. His contract locks him up at a reasonable price; one that this analyst predicts Frolov will more than earn this upcoming season. However, to a team in the Leafs’ position, he’s useless. As we established from the beginning, the Leafs are not realistic contenders for the Cup this year. When they finally are ready – even one year later – Frolov would not be around. In the mean time, he’d take up a valuable roster spot; valuable as a tool for imparting priceless experience on a young player who is going to be part of future Leafs’ Cup runs.

Lets, try one more way to contextualize it: If you somehow possessed the power to guarantee the Leafs a championship, and asked Dion Phaneuf if he would give up his 7 million USD salary this year to be the captain of the first Toronto Maple Leafs team to win the Stanley Cup in over 4 decades, do you think he’d take the deal? Conversely, if you made an offer to Frolov to earn that same 7 million dollars to play for a team that was guaranteed not to win, or even make the playoffs, do you think he’d take the deal? Try the same equation with Luke Schenn or new Leaf Colby Armstrong. I’m not saying Frolov doesn’t play to win or doesn’t want to win. I’m saying he doesn’t want it bad enough to make it on the squad Burke is putting together to accomplish it.

The players who wear the Blue and White and lift the Stanley Cup for the first time in over a generation will become the stuff of legend. Their names will pass from the lips of Fathers and Grandfathers, in hushed reverent whispers, to the children who are the next generation of Leafs fans; telling of how they were there – they saw it happen. The players who carry that honour will be those who are willing to go to the wall for it. Those are the players Burke wants. Who do you want on your team?

Of course, every player wants a payday, and if the Leafs were a genuine contender for the Stanley Cup this year, I would be one of the people chirping about the lost opportunity to sign Frolov. For you poolies out there, this is going to be a very big year for the talented winger, so don’t miss out. Next year, however, Frolov will not be a Ranger. He will not be a building block in the franchise’s future. He will not hoist a cup with them. There is a talented young prospect, somewhere in the Rangers organisation, with a career that’s going to feel the impact of that fact at least as powerfully as the Ranger’s place in the final standings will.


  • canucksnaphook

    Fuck the Bruins.

    I think we could get more from the Kings.

    Matt Barry is suggesting Oscar Moller plus? Naw…

    Bring on Schenn !!

  • gunner_36

    Mind Bomb wrote:

    All the talk about Neal and ryan, clowe and everyone else but the guy we are getting.
    Here is what Burkie is working on.
    To Pitsburgh. Kaberle, Kadri, Kulemin, Riemer, 2nd round pick
    To Toronto Evgeny Malkin
    Pitsburgh has to much of there Cap at center. and other than Kunitz they really have a poor set of wingers. Their Centers are now Crosdy,, Staal, Kadri the add a pmd and a really good winger in kulemin In essence they lose one Malkin but upgrade 2 other positions and have a
    number 1 center prospect in Kadri to ease the loss.
    Peace @-@

    corykc11 wrote:

    @ Mind Bomb:
    Although I don’t think there’s a chance in hell this would happen, if Burke were somehow able to pull it off, I definatly think Kulemin would be sticking around. It’s no secret that these two are friends and really enjoy playing with each other

    We don’t want Malkin. If were giving up that much, we want a consistent, COMPLETE player, who doesn’t get lost during game, then make bad mistakes, who doesn’t get angry and take bad penalties (that take him out of important situations), and a player who doesn’t disappear in the playoffs at times.
    Oh Malkin! Geno?!? Where’d you go?!?

  • gunner_36

    canucksnaphook wrote:

    Fuck the Bruins.
    I think we could get more from the Kings.
    Matt Barry is suggesting Oscar Moller plus? Naw…
    Bring on Schenn !!

    Brayden Schenn = Mike Richards

  • BeLeafer

    kaz wrote:

    Tim Horton wrote:
    @ kaz:
    Why trade Kaberle and replace him with someone whos potential is to be maybe 1/3rd as good as him I just don’t get that logic…
    1) Stralman is 23, Kaberle’s numbers when he was a younger guy are actually very close to Stralman’s.
    2) Most people are looking to trade Kabby now where we have no replacement for him? Gunnarsson is an excellent player, but you usually want more than one puck mover on your team. Stralman and Gunnarsson as depth on the back-end would make moving Kaberle much easier and keep our d-men generally mobile.

    you still going on about Stralman….LOL, buddy.. we have enough guys in Phaneuf, Beauch, gunnar (even Schenn will get there)…. don’t see what you love so much, he’s not a big time puck mover or someone that would’ve replaced what Kabs brings to the table…. let’s move on… our D is stacked be happy

  • Cactus

    @ gunner_36:
    You really feel that way about Malkin? I think he’s the best Russian in the league. He puts up a shitload of points, yet doesn’t have the megalomaniac persona that Ovechkin has (Datsyuk 3rd). I think he’s as complete a player as the NHL has to offer. He’s also over a PPG in the playoffs, which is outstanding.

  • Cactus

    Stralman is much more akin to MA Bergeron than Kaberle. He has the offensive skills, but he is absolutely brutal in the defensive zone and will likely see his minutes get skewered towards offensive situations and the PP.

  • BeLeafer

    Cactus wrote:

    Stralman is much more akin to MA Bergeron than Kaberle. He has the offensive skills, but he is absolutely brutal in the defensive zone and will likely see his minutes get skewered towards offensive situations and the PP.

    exactly….

  • gunner_36

    Cactus wrote:

    @ gunner_36:
    You really feel that way about Malkin? I think he’s the best Russian in the league. He puts up a shitload of points, yet doesn’t have the megalomaniac persona that Ovechkin has (Datsyuk 3rd). I think he’s as complete a player as the NHL has to offer. He’s also over a PPG in the playoffs, which is outstanding.

    Don’t get me wrong- Malkin is a great player. He puts up lots of points. And he’s not full of himself like OV.
    .
    BUT, he’s not as consistent as he needs to be. And COMPLETE? What are you watching.
    Trust me, Ive watched a ton of Pens games, and he is not the playe most think he is.
    When you’re talking about players of this level, you may as well talk about getting almost any player. I’d much rather have a more complete player.

  • gunner_36

    Here is a number of younger Leafs. There is first a player they are comparable to (doesnt necessarily mean they will be as good/bad as player, just play style SIMILAR) and then a player that they will post similar numbers to. This is all IMO, and based on stats in other leagues, and other information from other sources. Player could be same for both
    .
    .
    Tyler Bozak: Mikko Koivu, Mikko Koivu
    .
    Luke Schenn: Adam Foote, Adam Foote
    .
    Mikhail Grabovski: Evgeni Malkin, Daymond Langkow
    .
    Carl Gunnersson: Alex Edler, Alex Edler
    .
    Nazem Kadri: Doug Gilmour, Mike Richards
    .
    Nikolai Kulemin: Ryan Clowe, Ryan Clowe
    .
    .
    That’s all I got for now.
    .
    Once again, this is an optimistic view.
    .
    The player they are compared to DOESN’T mean they will be as good as that player.
    .
    Take from it what you will.

  • Mind Bomb

    gunner_36 wrote:

    Cactus wrote:
    @ gunner_36:
    You really feel that way about Malkin? I think he’s the best Russian in the league. He puts up a shitload of points, yet doesn’t have the megalomaniac persona that Ovechkin has (Datsyuk 3rd). I think he’s as complete a player as the NHL has to offer. He’s also over a PPG in the playoffs, which is outstanding.
    Don’t get me wrong- Malkin is a great player. He puts up lots of points. And he’s not full of himself like OV.
    .
    BUT, he’s not as consistent as he needs to be. And COMPLETE? What are you watching.
    Trust me, Ive watched a ton of Pens games, and he is not the playe most think he is.
    When you’re talking about players of this level, you may as well talk about getting almost any player. I’d much rather have a more complete player.

    Ok you dont like Malkin, hmm wierd but ok, I personally would take Malkin as my number 1 center and have about 27 other jealous NHL GM’s. My Point is Burke is TRYING to land a really big Fish.

    Peace

  • Mind Bomb

    gunner_36 wrote:

    Here is a number of younger Leafs. There is first a player they are comparable to (doesnt necessarily mean they will be as good/bad as player, just play style SIMILAR) and then a player that they will post similar numbers to. This is all IMO, and based on stats in other leagues, and other information from other sources. Player could be same for both
    .
    .
    Tyler Bozak: Mikko Koivu, Mikko Koivu
    .
    Luke Schenn: Adam Foote, Adam Foote
    .
    Mikhail Grabovski: Evgeni Malkin, Daymond Langkow
    .
    Carl Gunnersson: Alex Edler, Alex Edler
    .
    Nazem Kadri: Doug Gilmour, Mike Richards
    .
    Nikolai Kulemin: Ryan Clowe, Ryan Clowe
    .
    .
    That’s all I got for now.
    .
    Once again, this is an optimistic view.
    .
    The player they are compared to DOESN’T mean they will be as good as that player.
    .
    Take from it what you will.

    Where you compare Malkin with Grabo and Langkow, this is a typo right ?

  • gunner_36

    @ MindBomb

    Did you not read??? I said the first player is someone who plays a SIMILAR style to the player. They may not be as good as the player.
    .
    Grabovski isn’t as good as Malkin, and I highly, highly, highly doubt he ever will be.
    .
    BUT, he plays a style similar. They are both playmaking forwards who like to have the puck and gallop up the ice, skating in and around opponents. They’re not the best players defensively, or on draws. They sometimes make bad passes (behind the back passes to no one).
    .
    It was hard to find someone to compare Grabovski to, so I went a little off the board. BUT, I’m pretty sure I EXPLAINED that already.
    .
    Oh, and the question isn’t “Do we want Malkin as our no. 1 center”, it’s “do we want a player of Malkins calibre as our top player”.

  • leafs89

    not sure if it was posted, but

    “As Eklund wrote this morning, the Kings have been talking with Toronto about Kaberle. Burke still insisting on Schenn (not gonna happen Brian!!!) but more likely Oscar Moller being dangled.”

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matthew-Barry/Greene-Out-3-4-Months—Westgarth-Hurt/125/29535

  • gunner_36

    Only problem is that Oscar Moller is a terrible return for Kaberle.

  • I_am_I

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