MLHS FanPost – “A True Schenn-derella Story”

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It’s time for another MLHS FanPost, DefenceWinsChampionships stops in again and this time takes a closer look at the stats of Maple Leafs defender Luke Schenn, and how those stats stand up beside comparable players.

A True Schenn-derella Story

By Byron Nelson (aka: DefenceWinsChampionships)

Anyone that remembers my last fan post: “A Comparison of the Toronto Maple Leafs’ Defensemen”, will already be well-aware of my love of statistics. In that specific piece of writing, I took a look at the 2009/10 season stats for each current member of the Toronto Maple Leafs’ defensive corps. I then used the information I had gathered to make a comparison between them. What was a surprise to many, was the amazing amount of success young blue-liner Luke Schenn seemed to have, finishing in 1st place in the statistical comparison, despite supposedly suffering from the dreaded “sophomore slump” during the season. As a result of this, I decided to do a follow-up fan post on Schenn, this time comparing him to some of the NHL’s elite defensive defensemen.

For this experiment, I used a group of eight players: Luke Schenn, Brent Seabrook, Robyn Regehr, Anton Volchenkov, Zybinek Michalek, Brooks Orpik, Andy Sutton, and finally, the sophomore version of Brent Seabrook. I included Seabrook’s sophomore self due to the fact that he is highly regarded as arguably the best defensive defenseman in the National Hockey League. I wanted to see where he was at statistically, while being at the same level of development Schenn is currently at.

For my comparison, I used five different statistical categories: Goals per 60 minutes of ice-time, (G/60), Assists per 60 minutes of ice-time, (A/60), Hits per 60 minutes of ice-time, (H/60), Blocked-shots per 60 minutes of ice-time, (BS/60), and Takeaway/Giveaway Ratio, (G/T). In attempt to curve the results, rather than just seeing which player was the best in every category, I added up each player’s numbers, (in each category), to get a total value for each of the categories. I would then get a player’s percentage of the total of each stat, thus giving credit to players that are well above the pack in any given category. For example, if Player A has an A/60 of 1.00, while Player B sits at 0.50 in the same category, Player A’s %G/60 would be 66.67%, due to 1.00/(1.00+0.50) equaling 0.6667.

Here are the statistical results:

Player Age Season %G/60 %A/60 %H/60 %BS/60 %T/G Total%

Luke Schenn 20 2nd 20.18% 11.11% 14.84% 11.78% 14.44% 72.35%

Andy Sutton 34 12th 17.54% 06.79% 15.31% 18.80% 10.16% 70.20%

Brent Seabrook 24 5th 11.40% 17.70% 13.12% 11.44% 14.97% 68.63%

Anton Volchenkov 27 7th 15.79% 09.26% 13.20% 17.58% 10.96% 66.79%

Brooks Orpik 29 6th 07.02% 19.34% 19.86% 10.81% 09.09% 66.12%

Zybinek Michalek 26-27 5th 09.65% 10.70% 05.60% 12.79% 18.72% 62.25%

Soph. Brent Seabrook 21 2nd 12.28% 14.61% 09.92% 10.38% 11.76% 58.95%

Robyn Regehr 29 10th 06.14% 10.49% 08.15% 06.25% 09.89% 40.92%

Notice how Schenn sits at the very top of the list, and is one of only two players to have double-digit percentage values in each one of the categories. He’s also the youngest player, and has significantly less experience than everyone else, except for the sophomore version of Brent Seabrook, whom Schenn

absolutely destroyed in this comparison. Note that I used the age that each player was for the majority of the season, not their current age. (Michalek turned 27 in January, so I couldn’t choose 26 or 27 alone) You also should keep in mind that Schenn was on the worst team, and that Seabrook and Orpik were playing on teams that may have inflated their offensive statistics, especially Seabrook, who spent a far greater amount of time on the powerplay than anyone else in this comparison.

Pretty surprising numbers if you ask me. Luke Schenn, the 20-year-old, sophomore defenseman, beats out all of his elite competition in this statistical comparison. Am I going to come right out and say that Schenn is better than all of these players? No, I’m not. But he definitely is a lot better than he has been given credit for by the fans and media in Toronto. His sophomore slump seems to have been merely a fabrication by the media as a result of his slow start to the season, in which he looked worse than he actually was, due to being left “hung out to dry” on his off-hand side of the ice by a oft-pinching Francois Beauchemin.

After a solid second NHL season, Luke Schenn is coming into a contract year, and has apparently been working very hard this offseason, having bulked up to a rather impressive 235 pounds. He got better as the season went on last year, especially after the arrival of Dion Phaneuf, and will be another year older, at 21, for the majority of the season. He is definitely poised for a great year, and will hopefully both continue experiencing, and continuously build upon the upward progress he encountered last season. This is definitely a player to be excited about Leafs Nation.

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  • DefenseWinsChampionships

    Lots of people are saying that these numbers may be biased or slanted in Schenn’s favor, so I feel I should let everyone know that I didn’t look for stats that made Schenn look good, I simply did the research and was surprised by the results.
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    The point has also been brought up that these numbers may just reflect the style of the players, and ignore their positioning. It is important to note that I left out my CPM (Comparitive Plus/Minus) stat in this comparison. It is the stat I used in my previous FanPost that takes the difference between the defenseman’s plus/minus, and the plus/minus of his average defensive partner, using weight ratios based on how much even-strength ice-time the player spent with each different partner. I didn’t have the 2 days of time neccessary to find these values out for each of the eight players, but I can tell you that I remember doing it with five of them a while back, and Schenn was either 1st, or barely behind Michalek in 2nd. I can’t remember 100%. And a quick look suggests that none of the additional players would have beaten Schenn in that stat.

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    @ DefenseWinsChampionships:
    Shit, where are my manners? I forgot to say, great article DWC aka BN aka Your Real Name. Excellent research once again, sir. Loved the read.

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  • Cameron

    Leafslifer wrote:

    this is what i would like to see more out of Kulemin. if he does this little more often and score around 25 goals. we have a great first line player.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJDaFaIwXGA

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    He was doing this quite often towards the end of the year. I think people forget how dominating physically he was. He was literally tossing people off the puck at some points. And how about his devastating hit on Holzer after the season. Safe to say that physicality is now a big part of his game. He’ll score 20+ goals if he’s given a scoring role instead of a checking role – it’s not rocket science.

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  • Cameron

    @ DefenseWinsChampionships:
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    I don’t think the article is biased at all. Sure, you could say this group of stats favors aggressive defensemen because they will go looking for the hits more than others, but I don’t understand how that would benefit Schenn over say, Gunnarsson in any of the other categories. Shot blocking isn’t about being aggressive, it’s about positioning and willingness, and ability to read the play – hockey smarts.
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    I also, I don’t know what it was exactly, I can’t put my finger on it, but I didn’t like your other stat comparing ice time with partners and so on and so forth. I think something was off in that article. Somehow that just doesn’t tell the whole story. But this one was solid. Hopefully Schenn can be dominant this year like we all hope.

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  • Cameron

    @ DefenseWinsChampionships:
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    Didn’t stop Burke with Perry and Getzlaf. He doesn’t fear not being able to resign guys – players love him, and he knows it.

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  • Cameron

    @ Stanley goes to White Kessel:
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    That is sick. I couldn’t decide which Leaf’s jersey I would buy when I get my next jersey (although I’m trying to wait for some modicum of success to justify the purchase), but I think that just sealed it for me…Kulemin.

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  • Cameron

    @ Loric:
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    I also love the clip of his first NHL goal. I think, once this team completes the rebuild, the image of Kulemin with his arms in the air after that goal will be the clip used right after Schenn putting on a Leafs jersey in all sorts of compilation videos. He’s going to be a very good player for us, and that makes me happy.
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    @ Stanley goes to White Kessel:
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    Interesting. At any rate, it doesn’t seem to be an issue according to the agent, so it shouldn’t technically stop a deal getting negotiated and signed.

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    @ Cameron:
    Yep the first goal vid was good too. And that tribute video I posted was from 3 years ago. Man I can’t wait to see his development this year. I think he’s been somewhat underrated around here.
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    On the Kaberle thing, I think *IF* (big IF) there’s a problem between him and RW, Kabs will grin and bear it. Look at how much he’s put up with so far being a Leaf, and he still wants to stay. He’ll stay and try to outlast the coach. As long as we get the October 2009 Kabs and not the April 2010 version, I’m happy.

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  • Cameron

    @ DefenseWinsChampionships:
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    No doubt, and if you or I were running the team, it would almost certainly be done this way. I think Burke doesnt’ care though, so I just wouldn’t expect things to be done the “safe” way.

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    @ Loric:
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    Yea, it’s a good point. I think this is Wilson’s year to prove his worth. He has a team almost entirely assembled by Burke. The offense is a little light, but filled with potential, and it’s still better than it was last year no matter what criticisms you can put on it (and funnily enough, it wasn’t even an issue last year for most fans). So Kaberle knows that this is going in two directions, assuming he’s staying:
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    1.) The Leafs miss the playoffs, Wilson gets fired, Kaberle has new contract anyways.
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    or
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    2.) The Leafs make the playoffs, Wilson stays, but it’s well worth it to stick around with the Leafs being in the hunt again, and the city finally breathing a sigh of relief.

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  • flappypaddle

    Awesome article, as it really makes you look at what the media says and whats actually happening and I really think if you broke down Schenn’s stats of last season he “slumped” for really only 15 games or so and it was when the defence was utter chaos. He seemed to get progressivly better the more pressure put on him.

    Just a pun for defensewinschampoinships, I’d like to point out its actually outscoring them that wins lol….. LAME I know.

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  • rustynail

    Yay Rookie tournament tickets arrived. Only 18 more sleeps.

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  • DefenseWinsChampionships

    There’s been lots of Kulemin love on here today. This will be an extremely important year for him, as we’ll get to see if his 15 points in 16 games in March was just a hot streak, or if he just needed the opporitunity to play on the first line to show what he could do.
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    He was pointless in 5 games in April, but everyone was bad as a result of playing against teams that were desperately trying to fight for playoff spots. Here are the Leafs’ last 5 opponents of the season:
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    April 1st – Buffalo (They just own us)
    April 3rd – Boston (Fighting for playoff spot)
    April 6th – Philidelphia (Fighting for playoff spot)
    April 7th – New York R. (Fighting for playoff spot)
    April 10th – Montreal (Fighting for playoff spot)
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    It’s not like the Leafs lost all of these games, and I think we can all remember the game against the Habs, but these were very tough oppenents to play against.
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    These last 5 teams also explain why Schenn was -2 in April. He was -5 in October, 0 in November, and +9 from the start of December to the end of March, including a +4 in December and +1 in January, so his turnaround definitely started before Phaneuf came along.

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    @ DefenseWinsChampionships:
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    Yea, and the other thing too, is that points don’t tell the whole story there either. Wilson was trying new line combos at that time, putting the frat pack back together, and Kessel was just completely spent. Kulemin’s play was locked down by the opposition, but that took the focus off of Hanson and others who finally started to break through. I don’t think that Kulemin was bad just because he didn’t score during that stretch.

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  • flappypaddle

    Its a good thing we didnt aquire Lupol he has yet another set back with his back…
    http://ducks.ocregister.com/2010/08/23/lupul-has-setback-will-miss-start-of-training-camp/42769/

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