Leafs get D Lashoff for Giliati and Berry

by on August 27, 2010 in Leafs News - 262 Comments

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The Toronto Maple Leafs and the Tampa Bay Lightning have made some minor league moves this afternoon, with the Leafs sending Marlies’ forwards Alex Berry and Stefano Giliati in exchange for minor league defenseman Matt Lashoff.

In Lashoff, the Leafs are getting a young, depth guy who will likely play out the year for the Marlies.  A former 1st round Bruins draft pick, Lashoff has some size and offensive skill, but couldn’t translate his ability beyond the AHL level for any extended period of time.  In 63 NHL games between Boston and Tampa, he’s tallied 1 goal and 14 assists and is a career -15.  Still young at 23, he’ll have stiff competition for a spot on the Marlies blue line and a chance at a fresh start after showing promise in both Norfolk and Providence.

The Leafs lose two foot soldiers on the forward ranks in Berry and Giliati.  Meat and potatoes type of players with little NHL upside, they will be missed for the leadership and experience.  However, the move offers more opportunities for up and coming forward prospects such as Jerry D’Amigo, Marcel Mueller and Brayden Irwin.

This is seen by most analysts (Dreger, for example) as a way for the Leafs to offload a contract to open up a space on the 50 man roster.  With a log-jam of AHL ready prospects at forward, this is a minor, albeit important deal for the buds as it will help give some youngsters some ice time.  Further, this deal suggests that Burke might not yet be done with off season signings or trades.  Expect Christian Hanson to be re-signed shortly.

And now, dear readers, I’ll leave you to rampant speculation and trade proposals…

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  • Tim Horton

    @ Only_crime:
    The talk was Beauch and Grabo for Richards at the deadline if we are fighting for the 8th spot… That is an overpayment for a good but 7.8 mil player for 20 games, whether you like it or not, plus why would you get trade two roster players if your fighting for a spot, the hole thing just doesn’t makes sense….
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    different topic, but does someone know a site where I can get DEL stats, I want to compare Mueller…? Edit never mind found one…

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  • Cameron

    @ Tim Horton:
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    eliteprospects.com

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  • Tim

    gunner_36 wrote:

    Morning all, good night.

    Ciau gunner have a good one.

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  • Only_crime

    ryan smyth who many could argue is not as good as richards went for 3 first round picks and then left town. This just adds to my point grabo and beachemin no matter what the situation is just fucking stupid

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  • Tim Horton

    @ Only_crime:
    Why is the story over – Story continued… Kovalchuk did not get 2 roster players as a rental … Oh and Robert Nilsson and Ryan O’Marra and a first-round pick is not worth 2solid roster players.. .This doesn’t add to your argument at all…

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  • Tim Horton

    Cameron wrote:

    eliteprospects.com

    I have to say he did not light it up that well… He was one of the youngest to score over 50 points, but there were a couple 22 years olds that did it. I guess its his size and skill that makes him so dreamy. Also I’ll trust Burkes judgment I read on HFB that he has been checking up on him since he was 18…

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  • 2 Minutes for Looking so Guru

    @ Tim:

    They could possibly have a deal where Grabo is flipped to another team for a pick or something. Either way, it fills two roster spots instead of one for less money. I don’t think the Leafs will make any moves though, so it doesn’t matter.

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  • Cameron

    @ Only_crime:
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    Beauchemin has very solid value. It’s likely that he is the defensemen whom Burke was offered a 1st round pick for at the draft. It is complete fantasy that Beauchemin was awful all year. He was pretty solid from game 15 onwards, and prior to that, had impressed at Team Canada’s orientation camp. Prior to that, he had returned from injury and was Anaheim’s best defensemen in the playoffs – outplaying both Niedermayer and Pronger. Hockey minds don’t look at 15 games and make a judgement call. Everyone is well aware of the circumstances which allowed for Beauchemin’s collapse.
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    Just remember, guys like Niclas Wallin are worth multiple picks at the deadline. If you think Beauchem is bad, you should rethink that and look at what far inferior, and way older defensemen go for. I expect that the Beauchemin return, when/if he is traded, will be very solid. You’re judging him based on a very limited time frame and expanding that over an entire season, which just isn’t accurate.
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    Moreover, your point about Ryan Smyth only proves the opposite point. Yes, those three picks/players seemed fantastic at the time – 3 first round picks, who could turn that down? Well, it just goes to show you that the proven package is always more valuable. Grabovski and Beauchemin are known commodities. Grabovski is going to give you at least 50 points, and Beauchemin is going to give you 25 minutes a night and 25 points a season against the other team’s best forwards. That would be a gross overpayment for Richards.
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    Look back to see what Richards was traded for last time, when he had time to actually help a team, and not just 20 games. A shootout specialist, a backup goalie, and a 4th round pick. I see no reason why we should give up a 2nd line center and a top 4 defensemen for 20 games.

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  • Major Conn

    @ Tim:
    Exactly what i’ve been saying too Tim. It will be mostly for financial reasons on Dallas’ end so they wouldn’t take back almost equal salaries. These team needs to slash payroll so yes Grabo & a prospect (Stefanovich?) would seal it IMO.

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  • Tim Horton

    @ Only_crime:
    Your right I went to edit the Kovalchuck thing and was too late so I thought I would leave it and give you something to argue…
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    This is a stupid topic because any trade Dallas would do would be for picks or futures. And if the leafs are trying to push for a playoff spot why would they get rid of two regulars…
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    But value wise it makes sense… Beauch is a top pairing D man… He would be Dallas’s 2nd best D and play huge minutes and grabo would be there number 2 centre Glennie can take over… To me I would much rather this package then a bunch of prospects who may or may not turn out.. especially if Dallas needs to compete sooner rather than later…

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  • Cameron

    @ Tim Horton:
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    Yea, if Dallas is moving Richards, is because they can’t afford him. I also really doubt Burke is a buyer at the deadline. He’ll try to sell off spare parts like Sjostrom and Mitchell, maybe even Brown if he figures one of the Marlies is better – guys who might help in a playoff run. I think he’ll move Beauchemin, but like Kaberle, he’ll want a ransom for him, so it’s possible the return he wants won’t materialize. With a year left on his and Grabovski’s deals, he isn’t obligated to move them during the season. They can both be moved at the draft if they aren’t part of the future.

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  • Only_crime

    Dallas is on the verge of being sold so money concerns will not be a problem for dallas in a month or two.

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  • kingkessel

    Don’t know if this was a Burke or Nonis deal. But the Leafs win another trade.

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  • Cameron

    @ Only_crime:
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    No, the rest of the league did not take notice. That is just a ridiculous statement. The man was a minus 3 over the course of 67 games with the Leafs (outside of the first 15), with Toskala in net for half of them. No one took notice except Toronto fans hell bent on pointing out every turn over he made. Several people remarked that he was stellar down the stretch, earning top minutes over Phaneuf when we were winning, and then went on to be Team Canada’s best Dman at the World Championship.
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    On the flip side of that argument, no, it wasn’t a different story at the time. RIchards is still one of the worst defensive forwards in the league. He still has a staggeringly bad plus minus rating despite scoring 91 points. It’s unheard of that he could be that far in the minus posting those kind of numbers, yet Richards gets a free pass because he has some long forgotten glory days. Grabovski on the other hand, who’s proven he is a center who can produce at at least a 50 point pace with mostly shit for linemates, gets shat on despite being a sound defensive forward – and our only forward to post a plus. It’s just pure hypocrisy. Jokinen was nothing more than a shootout specialist at the time. All the analysts saw him as such back then. He was responsible for several Dallas shootout wins. MIke Smith was showing flashes, but was ultimately unable to wrestle a job away from an aging and slowing Marty Turco.
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    Unfortuneately, you can’t just make up a different scenario for the trade to happen in to spin it to your advantage.

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  • Tim Horton

    @ Only_crime:
    The story is not over when you say it is, is that your way of getting the last word… Richards still has a terrible +/- … All the prospect that keep getting mentioned never really turned out, and thats because a prospect doesn’t have as much value as a roster player… How can you call Beauch and Grabs two guys who are not bad players … Seriously, Beauch almost made team friggen Canada over some elite players… Grabo scored 48 points his first season( Thats more than Dallas’s star youngster James Neal in his first season) … Then he had an injury plague season and still put up decent numbers.
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    I would go on but Cameron is making me redundant…

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  • Major Conn

    @ Only_crime:

    Ya but just because they will have a new owner does not automatically mean they will spend to the cap ceiling…hey could be the exact opposite for the first few years?

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  • Cameron

    Anyways, it’s all irrelevent as I really doubt Burke trades for Brad Richards. The only way he’d come here is if he was signing here for free. Burke has shown us multiple times now that he will trade for young talent, and sign talent in Richards’ age bracket. Outside of that, Richards doesn’t really do the responsible defensive game WIlson hopes to teach his forwards. Money poorly spent in my opinion.

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