What Does Loyalty Mean To You?

by on January 19, 2011 in Opinion - 759 Comments

What Does Loyalty Mean To You?
July 27, 2010 New Leafs Colby Armstrong and Kris Veersteg make their first appearance as Leafs at a Coca Cola promotional event at the Mastercard Centre for Excellence, the Leafs training facility in Toronto. TORONTO STAR/STEVE RUSSELL
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Loy·alty (-tē)

Noun pl. loyalties -·ties

Defined as a quality, state, or instance of being loyal; faithfulness or faithful adherence to a person, government, cause, duty, etc.

In the midst of one of the worst blowout losses (7-0) in the history of the beloved Toronto Maple Leafs I thought I would pose a question, what does loyalty mean to you?  The idea came to me after I simply asked on my twitter account if there was actually a team in the NHL right now that you wouldn’t trade roster for roster with the Leafs? 

I said it half joking though try and answer that question yourself. There really are not many teams in worse shape roster wise than the Leafs – sad but true.  It sparked a good debate and here is some highlites of the conversation that took place.

I received a response from a fellow ‘twit’ and friend Alex who wrote:

@tdotsports1 devils, habs, sens, oilers, wild, canes, just to name a few. It’s what we got, we need to deal with it, as frustrating as it is.

With that I responded:

strange, most of those teams are ahead of us in the standings, and HAVE been since the cap started!

So he commented:

@tdotsports1 point was that as a diehard fan for too long, it’s devastating to see other (assuming) diehards want to trade their team out.

Finally, I ended the friendly banter with:

maybe but I don’t care about the name(s) on the back of the jersey, only the name on the front… #loyaltotheend

Which brings me to the central thesis – is he loyal because he fully supports the players or am I because I truly only care about the name on the front of the jersey and the names of players are fully interchangeable for me.  Isn’t that really the ultimate loyalty?  I care so much that I expect more from our players and if they can’t get the job done I have no qualms seeing any of them go if it means a better fate for the team as a whole.

Am I not a loyal Leafs fan because I feel in a cost conscience cap-world Colby Armstrong is slightly overpaid or our captain Dion Phaneuf is grossly overrated?  While I will always support the players that don the blue and white unlike some other teams fan bases who feel all of their players can do no wrong I have to remain impartial to the actual talent and skill level of a player, jersey be damned.

For me, the whole is more than the sum of its parts.

What does loyalty mean to you?

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  • Burtonboy

    I’m thinking these Dallas rumors have more legs then we might think. Joe and Burke communicate very well and the guy who broke the story today is very close to the Stars, hence the name Dallas _Dave.

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  • KOOLIE

    Hey guys i am looking for a link to and article from a day or two ago. It was about contract limits and such and the plan ahead type stuff involved in dealing with the 50 contract limit, forget where it was from

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  • ingy56

    KOOLIE wrote:

    Hey guys i am looking for a link to and article from a day or two ago. It was about contract limits and such and the plan ahead type stuff involved in dealing with the 50 contract limit, forget where it was from

    Is this it? I bookmarked it because it was pretty informative.
    http://leafschatter.blogspot.com/2011/01/brian-burkes-next-trade-part-2.html

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  • whoahhh

    canucksnaphook wrote:

    @ whoahhh:
    I refuse to hate on Kadri. He was put in a spot where he couldnt succeed, but I do remember how pumped everybody was when he scored that shootout goal against the Bruins.

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    And it’s okay to get excited. His offensive flair in there, no question. I can’t believe I have to argue to prove that he will one day become a 60-80 pts payer.
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    Best game of the year so far in my mind too.

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  • canucksnaphook

    @ Blue N White Disease:

    Thanks for that. Not sure that I want that to happen….but good for Leighton.

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  • canucksnaphook

    @ whoahhh:

    and the ACC actually made noise that night. Weird.

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  • long_suffering_leaf_fan

    @ Burtonboy:
    Do you just use your Twitter account to follow other Tweeters? I guess what I’m asking is there any point in following you? I am already following most of the big names

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  • canucksnaphook

    @ Cameron:

    How long before this becomes Leighton and Carter for Kaberle and MacArthur?

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  • Blue N White Disease

    I was thinking it may be just part of something larger as well, Leighton and Jeff Carter would be alright, dont like the idea of MCarthur goin anywhere though, 1 of the very few with heart this yr. Ill keep ya posted if I hear more…you heard it here first.

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  • ingy56

    canucksnaphook wrote:

    @ Cameron:
    How long before this becomes Leighton and Carter for Kaberle and MacArthur?

    Better yet, how long before it becomes “Leighton to Leafs (e5)”

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  • canucksnaphook

    4-3 Leafs tonite.

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  • whoahhh

    @DWC
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    Really you’ve taken a stats course?
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    Okay, so this is my last post on this because it completely insane to keep arguing it.
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    You have a sample size of 25 players over the last 25 years. As an estimate, let’s say each year there are 180 players drafted. (30 a round x 6 rounds).
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    180 x 25 = 4,500.
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    So essentially you are making an argument based on LESS THAN 0.01% of the overall population that has been drafted in the NHL over the time span. Extremely SMALL sample size.
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    Your rebutle “All I’m saying is it’s not likely”… well no shit it’s not when you only sample 25 players out of 4500.
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    Do the same math for 6th overall picks, and 5th overall picks, etc. You’d get the exact same results with the note of a few exceptions.
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  • KOOLIE

    ingy56 wrote:

    KOOLIE wrote:
    Hey guys i am looking for a link to and article from a day or two ago. It was about contract limits and such and the plan ahead type stuff involved in dealing with the 50 contract limit, forget where it was from
    Is this it? I bookmarked it because it was pretty informative.
    http://leafschatter.blogspot.com/2011/01/brian-burkes-next-trade-part-2.html

    Awesome Ingy, thanks. Should be mandatory reading for all fans

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  • Burtonboy

    @ long_suffering_leaf_fan:
    Hahaha that’s kinda funny the way you put it. Naaaa I’m mostly a follower but I do talk with several of the bloggers covering the Leafs. Get some interesting answers sometimes too.

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  • DWC

    What is it that makes Kadri so special, when compared to other similar prospects, that you can already somehow know that he will surely be an impact player? What has he done that guarantees such a thing? I’m not saying he’ll be crap because he hasn’t done anything yet, as I know he’s still young, but the fact that he hasn’t done anything yet means it’s crazy to assume he’s going to be a lock to be a great player.

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  • whoahhh

    canucksnaphook wrote:

    @ whoahhh:
    and the ACC actually made noise that night. Weird.

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    Quiet as a funeral house my ass. Just put a decent team on the ice :)

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  • long_suffering_leaf_fan

    Who do you chat with blogger wise? I have tweeted Bozak and he never responded but Brian Huddle is decent … he just started writing for Hockey Buzz and if you tweet him he gets back to you

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  • ingy56

    KOOLIE wrote:

    ingy56 wrote:
    KOOLIE wrote:
    Hey guys i am looking for a link to and article from a day or two ago. It was about contract limits and such and the plan ahead type stuff involved in dealing with the 50 contract limit, forget where it was from
    Is this it? I bookmarked it because it was pretty informative.
    http://leafschatter.blogspot.com/2011/01/brian-burkes-next-trade-part-2.html
    Awesome Ingy, thanks. Should be mandatory reading for all fans

    Definitely, for all of us pseudo General Managers out there it shows there is a lot more going on behind the scenes that we need to understand.

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  • Only_crime

    whoahhh wrote:

    canucksnaphook wrote:
    @ whoahhh:
    and the ACC actually made noise that night. Weird.
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    Quiet as a funeral house my ass. Just put a decent team on the ice

    honestly and imagine the crowd around the ACC too if this team even starts to sniff the post season.

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