By the Numbers: Joffrey Lupul

by on February 10, 2011 in Analysis - 345 Comments

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In the aftermath of yesterday’s trade with the Anaheim Ducks, in which Joffrey Lupul joined the Toronto Maple Leafs, many fans expressed concern over two years’ contract term at a somewhat high dollar figure for what was perceived to be declining production.

Although it is very easy to get caught up in the base stat lines (goals, assists, points), what might be surprising to some is Lupul’s rate of production has actually remained fairly consistent during the past three seasons prior to 2010-11. Despite last season and the start of his current season being cut short due to back surgery and a subsequent blood infection, a quick look at his per-game statistics reveal few recent changes in the winger’s season-to-season productivity.


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Season GP G/Gm A/Gm Pts/Gm % Pts PP ES TOI PP TOI
10-11 ANA 26 0.19 0.31 0.50 46.2 11:08 2:05
09-10 ANA 23 0.44 0.17 0.61 7.1 13:00 2:06
08-09 PHI 79 0.32 0.32 0.64 30.0 13:09 2:16
07-08 PHI 56 0.36 0.46 0.82 45.6 13:17 3:38
06-07 EDM 81 0.20 0.15 0.35 28.6 12:34 2:58
05-06 ANA 81 0.35 0.31 0.66 43.4 11:21 4:38
03-04 ANA 75 0.17 0.28 0.45 23.5 11:24 2:11
AVG/Gm 0.28 0.29 0.57 32.1 12:26 2:50
Over 82 82 23 G 24 A 47 Pts 15 PP Pts

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A Few Notes:

– In his first go-round with Anaheim, Lupul received primarily 3rd line ice time at ES, with a promotion to top-line PP duty leading to a pronounced surge in production during his second season (05-06).

– After being traded to Edmonton, Lupul’s numbers declined across the board. He bounced between 2nd and 3rd line at ES and 1st and 2nd unit PP during a disasterous season, one which many felt was a product of the pressure of being a local hero in such an intense hockey market.

– In Philadelphia, Lupul’s steady production reflected regular 2nd line duty, although roster depth limited his powerplay time in his second season there (as evidenced by a sharp decline in both Pts/Gm and % PP Pts).

– Back in Anaheim, Lupul continued to thrive in a 2nd line role (in spite of an awful powerplay) until shelved by back surgery. Having missed training camp and preseason, Lupul found himself in a 3rd line role with only 2nd unit PP time upon returning to action two months into the current season.

– In a three-season span from 2007-08 through 2009-10, Lupul produced at a rate of 0.82, 0.64, and 0.61 points per game, and in 2005-06 produced at a rate of 0.66 P/Gm. It’s worth noting that over a full 82 games, the difference between a rate of 0.66 and 0.61 P/Gm amounts to 4 points (or 1 pt per 20 GP).

– Interestingly, while Lupul’s powerplay production declined significantly in 08-09 and 09-10 (which follows suit with his PP TOI), his overall point output remained consistent, an indication of improved production at even-strength.

– Lupul’s best seasons have come when he receives a large amount of PP time. The exception to this is the 08-09 season, when a deep Philadelphia roster saw him bumped to the second powerplay unit; despite the loss of over a minute of PP time per game, he still managed to produce 30% of his point total with the man advantage.

– On four occasions over 6.5 seasons thus far, Lupul has scored at a per-game goals rate which, in an 82-game season, would equal or exceed 26 goals (0.32 g/gm * 82 gm = 26 g). The only seasons he scored at a lesser rate were his rookie season, the down year in Edmonton, and this current season (first back from injury).

– Although I was unable to find exact statistics for this, many observers commented that Lupul’s best hockey is played from his off-wing (the left side).  With the Leafs needing help at left wing, and with top-six ice time available, the conditions appear favorable for Lupul to return to form.

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Reasonable Expecatations

For his career, Lupul has compiled a 0.57 points per game average.  As of today, this would place him 136th league-wide.  Theoretically, if you consider there are 180 top-six forward jobs in the NHL (30 teams x 6), this would place Lupul smack in the middle of the 91-180 range … or, the 2nd-line player range.

Of course, such analysis is admittedly flawed in that 3rd liners on some teams do outperform 2nd liners on other teams, but the base point is valid: numbers-wise, Joffrey Lupul is a decent 2nd line NHLer. As for whether his contract is perhaps too rich for where he stands, that is neither here nor there, for it is the product (as put so aptly by Leafs’ GM Brian Burke) of another GM’s error in judgment.

In terms of full-season production, Lupul’s career “over a full 82 games” average works out to 23 goals and 24 assists. Based upon a rate of production higher than his career average over the two-and-a-quarter seasons prior to his injury, similar numbers certainly appear to be a reasonable expectation provided he is able to remain healthy and maintain a 2nd line role.

Looking forward to your thoughts as always,

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  • canucksnaphook

    @ darthkader:

    I could see them giving up Dubinsky for that package of players. Interesting, and its close to what I have been thinking.

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  • Cameron

    Doesn’t sound to me like LeBrun knows anything. In fact, Kaberle basically just said the exact same thing he does every time. As this drags out, it seems much more likely to me that Burke is negotiating with Kaberle, and his agent is pricing him out of Toronto, and not that Burke is shopping him.

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  • Cameron

    The Rangers are not moving Dubinsky. He’s been the heart and soul of their team. They’ll move a whack load of prospects before they move him. They’ll move the prospects out and then later trade Gaborik to restore the system. Guaranteed that Del Zotto, Kreider, and Grachev are all the guys being shopped right now. Think about it this way, if Slats were to do Kreider + Del Zotto for Kabs (even if we sent nothing back the other way additionally), he could easily move Gaborik to the Kings for something like HIckey + Moller + pick, and lose absolutely nothing. The team has outgrown Gaborik anyways; there’s a reason he’s being shopped.

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  • canucksnaphook

    @ Potsy:

    Its not about NOT waiving, its about waiving for a team in the East. We have heard this for a long period of time that Kaberle doesnt want to play in the West.

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  • http://leafs4life.net/ Amoroq

    HockeyBreak Sources
    Sources are saying Kaberle has waived his NTC for certain teams. I have no info on which or how many teams he waived to.

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  • http://leafs4life.net/ Amoroq

    Off to karate, be back for the game!

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  • Cameron

    @ Potsy:
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    This is year should have been the year for him to show what he’s got. The Thrashers have had remarkable goaltending, absurd scoring from the point, and solid, consistent offense, and still Bogosian is underwhelming. Same with Pietrangelo really. Schenn succeeds in spite of his surroundings.

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  • GiuseppeM

    reporterchris I’m told goaltender Ben Scrivens is practising with the Marlies in Abbotsford. Jonas Gustavsson not with the team.

    Hmmmm Monster going somewhere?

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  • Potsy

    I have another piece of pure 100% Kaberle gossip I heard today that may mean something may mean nothing.

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  • Burtonboy

    @ Garrett Bauman:
    Just because Comeau is presently out with a concussion doesn’t mean teams wouldn’t be interested . No gm would trade for him unless he was cleared medically anyway. Don’t quite understand how you can say this guy didn’t do his research based on the fact he says teams are showing interest in Comeau. Here is the tweet again and he say specifically “if healthy”
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    incarceratedbob incarcerated bob
    **BREAKING NEWS** Source: Buzz around NY Islanders that they are willing to deal Josh Bailey OR Comeau (If Healthy) Maple Leafs like both

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  • canucksnaphook

    rumors of del zotto loving hte new york lifestyle too much after games and on off days are part of hte reason he was sent to the AHL. I would stay away from the kid based on this info. Its not like players dont drink but when its more than the regular, alarm bells go off.

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  • TheDoor

    So we can expect 8g and 8a for 16 points over 28 games that would put him in the Versteeg range for points over 54 games which is right on par with his 9.63 avg shooting pct. Heres to hoping he has a physical side also, I can’t find a stat for hits at the moment. (at work) well cheers guys and Go Leafs Go!!!

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  • http://www.talkleafs.com Jordan
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  • MikeTheMan

    As much as some other teams around the league may despise the Leafs, I’m sure any player that comes over here is at least a little excited at first to be playing for such a huge hockey city. Hopefully Lupul will be looking to prove a point tonight and have a great game

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  • http://www.talkleafs.com Jordan

    @ Cameron:
    lebran is a fuckin moron. Remember his gem “the basic knowledge around the league is everyone knows Burke will be getting the #2 pick from TB in exchange for a salary dump, and the obvious name will be Malone”

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  • Cameron

    @ Jordan:
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    I always agreed with the Versteeg trade, I simply pointed out that it had the potential to look bad in the first year, when Stalberg would get time with star players and Versteeg would be playing for a much weaker team and greater minutes. And I was right. It looked bad for the first month and a half of the season, and it is the single biggest reason people want him gone now. The media reaction convinced Leaf Nation subliminally that he is worthless. Now they search for his faults instead of his assets.
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    I know I said terrible things about Lupul, and I re-iterated that yesterday. To be fair though, I said those things when Lupul was out with an infection that threatened to end his career. The Ducks organization wasn’t sure he would even play again, much less return to form. I had reason to be concerned. People on here wanted to give up Beauchemin + 1st rounders for him while he was lieing on his back recovering. Retarded. Since then, Lupul has returned, got himself into great condition, and seems to be well on his way to making a full comeback a la Steve Sullivan. NOW the deal makes sense, and whatta ya know, I was right again, we got a 1st rounder back with him instead of the other way around. And still the media hates us, lol.

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  • canucksnaphook

    @ GiuseppeM:

    Cameron correct…..heart issues again.

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  • yesby

    lets just hope that IF there’s a deal that will make us better Kaberle wont do what Sundin, Tucker, etc, etc did and leave us with nothing.

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  • Michael Stephens

    GDT up, guys.

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