Putting a number on Schenn

by on May 13, 2011 in Uncategorized - 145 Comments

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While the rest of the folks in Leafs Nation go on pulling their hair out trying to figure out how the team will land another offensive forward, there’s probably a bigger item on Brian Burke’s to-do list: negotiating Luke Schenn’s new contract.

It’s inevitable that this deal will get done, but much like the dealings with Nik Kulemin last summer, the price is still up in the air. Putting a cap on a player’s value is tough, and even more so when it’s a young player with barrels of potential like Schenn. But Jon S of Puckineh.com has done just that, and he’s done a pretty good job;

Ryan Suter’s contract of $3.5 million a season is the contract of a team’s number two defenseman, and player that can be counted on in all situations. Presently this is not Luke Schenn, though it could very well be as soon as next season.

It’s hard to disagree with this statement. Schenn could well be on his way to becoming a defenseman that logs more powerplay time and develops a minor offensive role from the blue line. Currently he isn’t there, but he’s showing strides to getting there, and you have to wonder how much that will play into his contract negotiations.

Burke shouldn’t pay based on potential, and if he isn’t going to, he’ll have to keep things short-term. Luckily, it’s something he’s good at.

When the St. Louis Blues signed Erik Johnson to a two year $2.6 million per season deal they did the right thing (in my opinion) and gave Johnson a deal based on the level he was currently at, and gave him a shorter term so he wasn’t locked in for too long on a bargain contract

This is essentially the deal you want to see for Schenn if you’re a Leafs fan. Based on the uncertainty of the next collective bargaining agreement (which Jon goes on to mention), it may not be smart to give him a lengthy contract at this point. And really, can you see Burke doing that anyway? I can’t.

The flipside to this, however, is that if Burke won’t commit long term to a player like Schenn, it’s nearly impossible to envision him throwing any major number of years at a player like Brad Richards. Then again, Richards and “potential” don’t land in the same sentence anymore, so it’s uncertain what type of attitude Burke will have in those types of dealings.

I figured the high end of a Schenn signing could be up in the area of just under 4 million, considering the sheer amount of minutes he can eat up.

As such a deal like Marc Staal’s that sees him paid $3,975,000 a season for 25 minutes of shutdown service is too steep, as Schenn is not yet a (marginal) All-Star or playing top pairing minutes.

It’s simply too much at this point. As much as I wouldn’t cry about a big pay day for Schenn due to my extreme Leafs bias, I really can’t see him landing upwards of 3.3-3.5 million. So if I have to throw an estimate out there right now, I believe Schenn will rake in about 3.1 million per, over three years.

It’ll be an interesting summer for Leafs fans, and a lot of the buzz will be created around returning players who will need new contracts like Gunnarsson, Bozak and MacArthur. And of course, the most important of all will obviously be Schenn, but will Burke pull something else that’s even bigger?

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  • rustynail

    dchesnokov Dmitry Chesnokov
    Barnaby received 5 charges from just this one arrest. “The location is being kept private to protect two female victims.”

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  • Reether

    @ Kostas:
    He was drafted in 2006 14th overall, and even until a couple years ago people were including him as a part of a potential Kaberle trade with the Canucks. To say he wasn’t highly regarded even a few years ago is wrong. He was from the draft after Logan Couture, so it took him 1 more year to establish himself in the NHL than Logan. Sometimes good players slip through the cracks especially on good teams, it won’t be the first or the last time it will happen. So it didn’t work in Florida, I bet they think letting him go was a mistake now, especially since he didn’t seem to get much of a chance there.
    Do you understand that Kulemin had 36 points in 2009-2010. And Grabner had 34 GOALS this year? It isn’t very comparable. Yes Kulemin’s play outside of just points was superior, but not amazing by any stretch of the mind that year.
    What high end talent has been available to them to sign in the past few years? They traded for Ryan Smyth several years ago, and he wouldn’t resign. That is my whole point, they have to grow their own because no one wants to join that team. By establishing this core they can start adding pieces as they get better.
    Cheechoo isn’t a good comparable because he was setup by one of the best centers in the league and skating was an issue, Grabner creates many of his own chances and is very quick. Also Grabner’s contract is 3 million not 6 .. a lot less of a problem if his play drops off.

    I mean I know the Isles suck, and they’ve made some huge mistakes in the past. But this is not one of them. Even if this player falls off, oh well his contract is a year or two too long. I’m sure they can deal with it.

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  • http://tinypic.com/r/2jcew6r/7 luisad

    RIP Derek Boogaard

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  • Komas Taberle

    May God bless his loved ones and RIP Derek!

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  • http://tinypic.com/r/2jcew6r/7 luisad

    black friday… wow boogey man dead. rangers are really cursed they had a prospect who died as well sucks for them

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  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Anyone know what happened with some sportscaster who was fired today for posting something on Twitter?? What happened??

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  • CarltontheBear

    Bon Scott was a Leaf fan wrote:

    Anyone know what happened with some sportscaster who was fired today for posting something on Twitter?? What happened??

    Damian Goddard got fired for supporting that agent who opposes gay marriage

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  • thecat

    @ CarltontheBear:
    Its a real shame to hear of Boogaard’s death, RIP. I never had the chance to cheer for the guy, but I respected him as the preeminent fighter in the league. I don’t know what to say, aside from that it is really too bad to hear about this.

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  • Kostas

    @Bobsyouruncle

    Why don’t you send your brain to the Vancouver Canucks and Dave Tallon of the Florida Panthers for giving up on this kid?
    I’m simply stating what happened and what GM’s and scouts have said about him. Both my comments that you are commenting on, the Kulemin signing and Garth Snow’s attempt at “building” the NYI’s through waiver and try outs have nothing to do with your comment.
    Thanks for coming out though…

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  • Bobs your uncle

    @ Kostas: Apparently you have no ability to counter facts with facts. My post disproves some of the nonsense you have been stating, but all you’ve got is more gobbledy gook.
    “Thanks for coming out though”
    That’s it? Your best comeback is a lame ass generic comment a fuckin’ parrot could have thought of. LOL
    Anyway I’m going to change my earlier comment.
    I IMPLORE you to leave your brain to scientific research. No need for future generations to be afflicted with whatever you’ve got.
    Just a hunch here but, Dougy is your brother, right.

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  • Kostas

    @Reether

    Why are you giving me Grabner’s bio as if I don’t know?
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    Thing is you have a pretty good idea now what you are getting out of Kulemin and he still has one more year left on that cheap contract.
    With Grabner, there are still so many questions. Will you be getting the Grabner who scored 34 goals or the Grabner that didn’t feel like making the Florida Panthers roster.
    And you said it yourself, If Grabner play drifts off, oh well, it’s not a big contract and worst case scenario, there’s only a few years left on the contract… is that really what you want people to think about when you sign somebody long term?
    This is why Snow should have signed him to a lesser term. Have some respect for your organization and make the kid work for it.

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  • Kostas

    @bobsyouruncle

    Haha

    Nice. Another Andrew R wannabe.
    You should probably learn how to read. You went off about 5 on 5, shorthanded goals… etc. Which wasn’t the topic of debate between myself and Reether.
    Hence, thanks for coming out.

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  • Gili

    your both douchebags. Bog down the argument with insults. Grow up.

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  • Kostas

    @bobsyouruncle

    lol… what facts bob?

    Are you referring towards your lame ass attempt at spewing out numbers that had nothing to do with the conversation at hand?
    If so, then the only thing you’ve proven is that you are an idiot.
    Fact is, Vancouver traded him. Panthers gave up on him… although I’m sure Grabner didn’t help his own cause. He gets a second chance with the Islanders, but still has to prove himself on a consistent basis… Hence why the term of the contract is too long. Garth Snow, just like you, is an idiot and has to resort to building this team through the draft, tryouts, and off waivers. Snow’s hands will now be tied when dealing with future negotiations as he has given a player a long term contract that didn’t deserve it yet.
    Where in all these topics did I or anybody else that debated with me tonight, talk about Grabner’s stats?
    The kid has talent… he just needs to be more consistent.

    @Gill

    Lastly, you are correct sir. I am a douche for allowing myself to resort to his level.

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  • GreekLeafer

    I was at the bar tonight when my 2 buddies told me that Boogard died. RIP to that beast of a man.

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  • Blue Max

    My condolences to the Boogard family. I’ve always wanted him to be a Leaf! Poor kid! God is kind, and I know he will rest his soul forever! Rest in peace my friend.

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  • Bobs your uncle

    @ Kostas: I see you’re too stupid to know how stupid you are so there’s no point in taking this any farther.

    @ Gili: Take your 30 posts and piss off. You haven’t earned the right.

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  • Reether
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