How Do You Like Them Apples?

by on August 31, 2012 in Analysis - 459 Comments

How Do You Like Them Apples?
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Here’s the shake. It’s the end of August, it’s been a couple of months since we’ve seen an NHL game played, and four months since we’ve seen the Leafs play. Topics are running thin, especially if you do not have an appetite for CBA articles and you recognize that roster building is on hold until the CBA plays out.

What a great time to bring up primary vs. secondary assists. I come from a school of thought that not all assists are created equal; in fact, I’d be perfectly fine with one assist per goal, while everything else is +/-. This is largely based on the assumption that on most goals the player with primary assist was more responsible for generating the play than the player with the secondary assist. While this may not always be true, it hardly seems like a coincidence that Lupul, Kessel, Bozak, and Grabovski led the Leafs in primary assists. Out of players with more than 10 assists, the four of them also had the highest percentage of their assists as primary assists.

What is also interesting, but not unexpected, is the drop off from forwards to defensemen. Jake Gardiner was the only defenseman well above the 50% primary assist mark, and Liles was the only other defenseman who was at 50% (among those with more than 5 assists), though when looking at volume of primary assists Dion Phaneuf tied Jake Gardiner for the lead among defensemen. When looking at the defensemen on the table below, you can see who truly shows some puck moving capability (Gardiner, Liles, Phaneuf) and who might just be a good first pass defenseman (Franson, Gunnarsson.)

It’s important to recognize that volume is still more important than percentage when looking at the splits. The fact that Komisarek was the primary assist just as often as he was the secondary doesn’t show any playmaking ability. Perhaps if he played in ten games or less and had that split it would be considerable, but four assists in a season still illustrates exactly what he is offensively.

The complete table is here:

Player 1st Asst 2nd Asst % Primary
Armstrong 0 2 0.0%
Aulie 0 2 0.0%
Boyce 1 0 100.0%
Bozak 17 12 58.6%
Brown 2 0 100.0%
Colborne 1 3 25.0%
Connolly 13 10 56.5%
Crabb 7 8 46.7%
Franson 5 11 31.3%
Frattin 7 0 100.0%
Gardiner 13 10 56.5%
Grabovski 23 6 79.3%
Gunnarsson 4 10 28.6%
Gustavsson 0 1 0.0%
Hamilton 0 1 0.0%
Kadri 2 0 100.0%
Kessel 26 19 57.8%
Komisarek 2 2 50.0%
Kulemin 10 11 47.6%
Liles 10 10 50.0%
Lombardi 7 3 70.0%
Lupul 27 15 64.3%
MacArthur 12 11 52.2%
Phaneuf 13 18 41.9%
Schenn 8 12 40.0%
Steckel 2 3 40.0%
Total 212 180 54.1%

When looking solely at the powerplay, the difference between Grabovski and the other “top six centres” is evident. It also makes me eat some humble pie in regards to my John-Michael Liles bashing and shows where he can add value.

Player 1st Asst 2nd Asst
Bozak 4 4
Connolly 1 2
Franson 1 4
Frattin 1 0
Gardiner 3 3
Grabovski 6 0
Gunnarsson 1 4
Kessel 5 8
Kulemin 3 1
Liles 6 3
Lupul 8 5
MacArthur 3 3
Phaneuf 6 9
Schenn 0 1

I’d argue that – with the amount of offensive pressure from cycling, deflecting, and rebounds- the second assist on a powerplay was very likely involved in the play as opposed to what you may see at even strength or shorthanded, but I would still consider it unnecessary to include as a stat.

Much like my last post on penalties, I have created a spreadsheet to accompany this post, and you can find it here. It includes the complete list of each goal the Leafs scored in the past season and the situation it was scored in.

I have included a goal differential column in the data this time as opposed to the leading, losing, tied columns in the penalty tracker. This allows for more flexibility in determining when someone scores (I may wind up doing a follow up post to this about the myth of “clutch”).

While what I’ve shown here is assists, I’ve obviously listed the goal scorers in the spreadsheet as well. And since there is nothing advanced about any of these stats they can be fun for the whole family!

For a couple of interesting reads on whether secondary assists add any value I’d suggest this post from Broad St. Hockey and this post from Arctic Ice Hockey.

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  • mcloki

    Jamie Benn.

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  • bobwasyourdamnuncle

    What’s your offer sheet to Benn worth?

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  • MSM

    Hmmmmm … It sounds like we might be hearing about a union decertification gambit by the players in the next few days.

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  • OBIE

    Other than Penner those players go way back. Last player to switch teams before him was 16 years ago. Stevens was 23 years ago. The rules have changed.

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  • 93Matty

    But it could still happen, it would be interesting if it happened more often.

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  • OBIE

    But Penner was the last and it was a disaster for Edmonton. Before that when the last player moved, gratton i think it was, Gretzky and Andy Moog were still playing. Thats how long ago the move was useful. The offer sheet hasn’t been used in other than Penner in 16 years. The players always stay with their teams. Look at what happened to Shea webber. All the offer did was drive salaries up and I doubt you ever see Nashville and the rangers do business again. I could just see burke offer sheeting benn and losing, then having Dallas turn around and offer sheet the next leaf UFA and screwing up the cap just out of spite.

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  • Armchair GM

    I was at an Ottawa Rough Rider game in the 90′s where the players all ran off the field due to a storm in the middle of a play and the game was suspended… The lightning was frightening…

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  • 4evrblue

    lol perfect answer

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  • 4evrblue

    I agree Benn will stay in Dallas. It just pisses me off that offer sheets are basically not worth talking about because they’re pretty much always matched. If ELCs go up to 5 years and players can’t get away from an organization for the first 10 years of their career it will only make things worse.

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  • JVR

    Just got a new phone, so I”ve gotta test out the mobile site.

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  • GiddyUp

    what # is Paul Ranger?

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  • GiddyUp

    Paul Ranger scores !!

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  • hometeem

    so true

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  • moi_moi

    Hopefully he can regain his form. He was Tampa’s #2 d-man back in the day.

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  • DefenceWinsChampionships

    Ranger doesn’t have a contract with the Leafs. It is only an AHL contract with the Marlies. No reason to be excited about him as any more than a Marlie until the Leafs give him an NHL deal. I hope he plays well, and earns one. He was a good young dman for the Lightning.

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  • hometeem

    I just read the top comments on the tsn article about CBA and it disgusts me that the general public are shitting on the players

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