Morning Mashup: A New Leaf(s)?

by on October 18, 2012 in Morning Mashup - 412 Comments

Morning Mashup: A New Leaf(s)?
"Crap. They actually landed kind of, sort of, maybe a PR punch." | Photo - Mario Tama, Getty Images
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The CBA winds are a swirlin’. With the NHL publicly releasing its latest proposal (awesome!) Wednesday, there’s an intense mix of new information and analysis swirling in the twister of negotiation rhetoric. Getting too specific into an analysis of the main points would, frankly, be sort of a waste.

The NHL’s proposal is the first they’ve made that isn’t totally crazy, but that doesn’t mean it will get a deal done. Breaking down the specifics seems kinda pointless, considering many of those specifics will undoubtedly change. I’ll hold off getting to detailed for now.

Sufficed to say, if anything approaching some of the NHL’s latest offer is implemented as a new CBA. With a multitude of contracts coming off the books (only $39 million committed in salaries for 2013-2014), a self-imposed limit of five years on contracts, no major back-sliding examples that could accidentally be a colossal problem (happy we missed on Richards and haven’t acquired Luongo now, eh?), the Leafs‘ management may have spent the last few frustrating seasons affording themselves the greatest assets they could possibly have going forward under a new CBA.

Youth, and flexibility.

-Matt Mistele (http://www.twitter.com/TOTruculent)

Thursday morning links!

-Read the NHL’s full proposal on their official website. Remember when Fehr claimed he’d hold the negotiations live on television if it were possible? This isn’t quite calling that bluff, but it’s as close as we’ll get.

-Fehr apparently wasn’t enthused by the offer, and said as much in a letter to the players McKenzie has highlights from. Of course he’s not enthused. He’s not paid to be enthused. He’s paid because he’s the best, smartest, and one of the harshest negotiators available to guide the union through this. Hardline Fehr is about to come out, if the negotiations are really beginning. And he’s reeling under the first punch from not-disastrous NHL PR.

-For the Globe, Mirtle breaks down just how far apart the two sides are. Wow. Thorough, and with huge numbers. Kinda makes that whole “me and Starbucks are about $2.50 apart on the true value of a pumpkin spice latte” thing seem kinda insignificant.

-Mirtle followed that up with a piece on why the offer won’t work.

-Here’s an interview with Brooks Orpik about the NHL offer. A lot of players reacted today, but I found his comments particularly candid.

-Kevin Allen via USA Today: players facing a decision between principle and pay. Cold reality.

-Here’s a KHL update from Steve Dangle via TLN. It has Mikhail Grabovski!

-Also via TLN, Cam Charron updates us on just how much we’re probably overrating Tyler Biggs.

-FYI, via PPP: Backloaded deals should be avoided, ASAP. Vancouver, LOL

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  • wiski

    John Shannon ‏@JSportsnet
    Maybe this is too simple…this CBA negotiation hinges on 1 thing. How to make sure players under contract get ALL of their money.

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  • Doorman

    I bet that bets wants to do exactly that!  a year lost and then do a revamp! and the best part is blame it on the players, which they deserve!

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  • Burtonboy

    I need to find out more info about the 3rd proposal and I’m sure we will pretty soon . On the surface it looks like something that could and should lead to an agreement. What I have found out is the player would to go to 50/50 in the 1st year but there would be no roll back and no escrow. Not sure what that is in actual % of HRR. They also flatly rejected any of the contract changes the league wanted to make . Like I said I want to see more on exactly what the 3 rd proposal actually means.

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  • mcloki

    Read below. That would open up a whole new can of worms. And more importantly. Would we as Leaf fans follow a scab Leafs team. I couldn’t.

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  • wiski

    SN 590 The FAN ‏@FAN590
    Tim & Sid, Hour Three: Are we close to an #NHL deal?@MapleLeafs’ David Steckel gives his thoughts; The Usual Suspectshttp://goo.gl/qDDfk 

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  • mcloki

    The question is who will be playing in that league.

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  • MattyIce74

    If the 3rd option was 50/50 while honouring present contracts they should not be too far apart. In any sane negotiation there should a deal to be made.

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  • DJBrianBurke

    Seriously, it took them 10 minutes and it’s the NHLPA “that’s not speaking the same language”, the NHL isn’t even on the same planet!

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  • DJBrianBurke

    I heard the PA asked for more revenue sharing and the NHL said no, they won’t even help themselves.

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  • Doorman

    I think either the pa takes the deal the league put out yesterday or the season is done like dinner!  I am going to bed good night leafers!!!

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  • Leafbites

    Bingo. That’s why it makes me laugh hearing Ferraro, Johnson, et al. on TSN claim that this negotiation is primarily about future generations. I get it, you have to stall the steamroller, but this is about the current players not losing their limos and champagne. 

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  • DJBrianBurke

     Then there’s no season, that’s not negotiating.

    I have to say, I don’t blame the players one bit. Not happy there still
    isn’t hockey, but the fact remains that every bargaining agreement in
    the future will pull the players back more and more. In 6-8 years the
    split could very easily be NHL 57/43 NHLPA, if not more. The owners have
    all the power and will always ask for more money now that they have
    their cap in place. I would be shocked if the percentage ever increases
    for the NHLPA going forward than it was in a previous agreement.  
     

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  • mcloki

    I think the league us done. The damage being done to it is going to be huge. People will not flock back to it this time. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you.

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  • DJBrianBurke

     I hope some teams die, that’s one way to get to a healthy league.

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  • Burtonboy

    Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib
    #NHL source: Both first 2 #NHLPA proposals paid out $1.9 billion in ’12-13 (more than ’11-12) and got to 50-50 in Year 5

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  • Doorman

    Look you guys;  bets said this is the deal 50/50 take it and there is 82 games. Dont take it and you get sweet fuck all!

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  • Burtonboy

    Michael Russo ‏@Russostrib
    Essentially, the #NHL source claims the league was never handed any 3rd proposal that was 50/50 AND honoring contracts by Fehr

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  • DJBrianBurke

     That’s stupid and idiotic way to get a deal. I wished the NHLPA came and said “Here’s our deal without a cap, take or leave it”.

    They don’t NEED 82 games.

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  • Burtonboy

    Bruce Arthur ‏@bruce_arthur
    NHL: PA’s Option 3 — 50-50 but guarantee current contracts — would, when current contracts are factored in, essentially give players 57%.

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  • DJBrianBurke

     What a sad world we live in when you ask an employer to honour a contract and they tell you “no” and take away your work.

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  • Doorman

    No Workie!  No payie!

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  • bobsyouruncle

    Go to bed oldtimer.   lol    

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  • DJBrianBurke

    Hopefully it will be no gamies now, no fannies in the seats when they come back.

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  • Marpole_Leafs

    How long till ESPN lists Dion Phaneuf as the most overrated player currently under lockout ?

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  • DJBrianBurke

    lol Maclean said today that eh Leafs will finish last when the season starts again.

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