Marlies Open Thread

by on November 9, 2012 in Toronto Marlies - 1,296 Comments

Marlies Open Thread
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Where it’s been positive information overall coming out of the CHL when it comes to Leafs prospects, the same can’t be said for the NHL hopefuls currently plying their trade with the Marlies one month into the AHL season.

While the Marlies came back in resounding fashion last night, finally finding some offense to the tune of four third period goals, it was no thanks to the prospects we were hoping to take the next step or at least challenge for it in Joe Colborne, Nazem Kadri, or Ben Scrivens (no disrespect to Carter Ashton, who it was nice to see make an impact last night).

Playing on a line together, Kadri and Colborne were up to absolutely nothing last night and were pointless in a game featuring six Marlie goals. Kadri has just 3 assists in 9 games this season, while Colborne has four assists and also hasn’t scored yet. Ben Scrivens’ numbers are less than flattering through six games and I wouldn’t describe him as playing well in any game since the season opener.

Let’s turn this over to Anthony Petrielli, with some thoughts on the Kadri and Colborne scratching and the Marlies’ struggles:

Nazem Kadri and Joe Colborne played on a line together last night, and are both being healthy scratched for the Marlies game tonight. It’s early in the season, and wouldn’t be getting this much attention if the NHL season was on like it should be, but it’s still noteworthy.

This is a time when Kadri and Colborne have management and coaches full attention, and due to that they should be taking advantage of it and showing everyone why they are both NHL ready. Instead, both have struggled out of the gate. It is worth pointing out that most players on the team are underachieving too, but at the same time, most players don’t have the potential or expectations that either Kadri or Colborne do. That’s just the reality of the situation.

Both have been placed on a variety of different lines, whether it be Kadri playing with Aucoin, McKegg or Zigomanis on different units, or Colborne centering wingers like Komarov, Ashton, and even Kadri too. On one hand, it’s understandable why Eakins has been moving pieces around because he needs to find line combos and his team has largely been in a funk. Conversely, it can make it tough for players to find consistency and build rapports with their line mates. It’s an age old debate in hockey.

The weight of not scoring has clearly gotten to Kadri as he’s gotten back to being a little too
individualistic. At one point last night against Houston, he tried to go through three opposing players at the offensive blueline. When a player is struggling, the best thing to do is usually just keep it simple, get in on the forecheck, put pucks on net, go to the net, etc. Kadri tends to hold onto the puck more when he isn’t scoring. Instead, Kadri should be doing things like this.

He’ll snap out of it though, he’s too good not to. He did have a nice hit against Abbotsford, by the way.

Joe Colborne simply hasn’t been getting dirty enough. He’s losing puck along the wall, not getting to the front of the net enough, and has only 11 shots in nine games. That’s not nearly good enough for a player of his talent and size. Maybe we’ll see something when Colborne returns that suggests when he gets pissed off he uses his size effectively and dominates, but to this point, we have rarely seen that from him and it definitely leaves something to be desired. I would be remiss, however, if I didn’t point out against Abbotsford I saw him put the puck between a defender’s legs, dance around him to the outside, then get robbed by the goalie on a wraparound attempt.

More than anything, as you can probably gather, both players have been too cute. They have each been getting some chances, but the Marlies rightfully expect more, and right now they are benching them because of that. The Marlies have a deep team, but these two should still be leaders on it. Gardiner is clearly just that on the backend, and you can plainly see he’s an NHL player in a lower league… Kadri and Colborne haven’t shown that kind of dominance or superiority yet, this year.

One player I did want to point out quickly is Spencer Abbott. Signed out of Maine last year,
Abbott has found himself watching a lot of games so far this year due to Toronto’s depth, but he’s gotten some chances lately to play and he has looked very, very good. In the first period alone against Houston, he setup Aucoin and Komarov for one-timers in the slot that both missed, and also had a ridiculous behind the back pass to Aucoin in the second. Even with none of those passes being buried, he still notched two assists. Abbott hasn’t shot much yet, but man can he really move the puck. He thinks the game at an extremely high level and is someone to definitely keep an eye on.

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  • Doorman,s Bettsy

    Just a smidgen for flavor!  lol

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  • wiski

    Yep, Fehr know NBC and Molson are tugging on Gary’s cape.

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  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Yeah, but that window of opportunity is closing day by day (and very rapidly).  Once it becomes evident that they won’t be playing by the 23rd…all bets are off.

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  • Doorman,s Bettsy

    That is prob. true!  But the question is;  How much is Bettsy willing to give!  I bet he has a bottom number in mind!

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  • wiski

    All Nov games have already been cancelled, Dec 1 would be the earliest.

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  • WendelGilmour

    Jon Abbott ‏@HockeyAbbs
    #Marlies aim for trifecta gunning for 3 straight wins-3 different goalies. Owuya expected to start vs Markstrom tonight 8pm@TSN1050Radio

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Yea, I agree with this.  I hope you’re right.  If this is the case though, it’s ridiculous that we have to do this song and dance.  The NHL only really cares about eliminating the absurd term and back-diving contracts – the rest is all just positioning themselves to be able to give stuff up in order to get what they really want.

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  • keon

    Excellent point, that could be said for sure.

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  • Knights2Leafs

    Poetic justice.  If there was no lockout, they’d be playing in the NHL and wouldn’t be needed by the Marlies.

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  • wiski

    Good read
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/columnist/allen/2012/11/10/donald-fehr-column/1696377/

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Greedy fucking players.  They don’t need to get back anything with the Make Whole provision.  They signed contracts knowing this could happen, and now the owners are meeting them part way to make up for their lack of understanding.  

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  • Doorman,s Bettsy

    Well if Dony Boy only cares about the union!  The season will be fucked for Sure!

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  • wiski

    I don’t know, I keep hearing make whole when they’re only making half whole. lol

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Having said that, according to that usatoday article, it would only cost every team 2 million dollars a year to meet the players needs on the honoring of contracts issue, which is fairly reasonable.  With the increased revenue sharing, it will be mostly the rich teams picking up the tab for that anyways. I would consider just giving them what they want if they included a clause saying that in the future, the players are not to bitch about the linked system again – contracts signed under one CBA are subject to the changes of the next.  If you don’t like it, don’t sign contracts that extend years into the next CBA.

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  • Burtonboy

    Anyone who believes owners can bring about peace with players by trying to discredit their leader has not been watching how Fehr has managed this organization.

    And what exactly have the players been doing by attacking Bettman and the League on twitter.on TV and in the papers   Jeeeeeeeeeze

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    No kidding.  At what point can we stop pretending Bettman is the basketball outsider with no interest in hockey – he’s far more concerned with keeping hockey going than Fehr ever will be. 

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  • Doorman,s Bettsy

    Exactly!

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  • Knights2Leafs

    I get his point about not trying to attack Fehr, but it works both ways if the stories about how Fehr is treating the NHL side are true – showing up late to meetings for one.  He may think he’s winning by sticking his finger in their eyes, but it’s more like poking a sleeping bear.  Pretty soon it’s bye bye 1.87 billion this year guys.

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  • wiski

    canadiens.com
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    MONTREAL – The Montreal Canadiens issued today a medical update on the status of forward Blake Geoffrion. He was injured in the first period of Friday’s game against the Syracuse Crunch at the Bell Centre.Blake Geoffrion, 24, had successful surgery last night for treatment of a depressed skull fracture. His condition is stable and he remains at the intensive care unit at the hospital.

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  • Doorman,s Bettsy

    I think the PA is getting a little on the Stinky Side!  lol

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  • TheCanucksnaphook

    Thats good news for mr. geoffrion.  Hope he recovers fully.

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  • Doorman,s Bettsy

    It makes you wonder what don,s real motive is?  I think he is doing the PA thing to make a name for himself!  To hell with the GAME!

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  • wiski

    They say he is expected to be 100% but is out indefinitely 

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Well, that’s probably part of it, but I’m hoping bob is right and he’s just trying to squeeze every last penny out of the owners before settling.  He did try to throw water on the fire last night, which is a huge positive.  It’s the first time he hasn’t been inflammatory.  

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  • Doorman,s Bettsy

    Watch and Shoot!  lol

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