Marlies Open Thread

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Marlies Open Thread
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Where it’s been positive information overall coming out of the CHL when it comes to Leafs prospects, the same can’t be said for the NHL hopefuls currently plying their trade with the Marlies one month into the AHL season.

While the Marlies came back in resounding fashion last night, finally finding some offense to the tune of four third period goals, it was no thanks to the prospects we were hoping to take the next step or at least challenge for it in Joe Colborne, Nazem Kadri, or Ben Scrivens (no disrespect to Carter Ashton, who it was nice to see make an impact last night).

Playing on a line together, Kadri and Colborne were up to absolutely nothing last night and were pointless in a game featuring six Marlie goals. Kadri has just 3 assists in 9 games this season, while Colborne has four assists and also hasn’t scored yet. Ben Scrivens’ numbers are less than flattering through six games and I wouldn’t describe him as playing well in any game since the season opener.

Let’s turn this over to Anthony Petrielli, with some thoughts on the Kadri and Colborne scratching and the Marlies’ struggles:

Nazem Kadri and Joe Colborne played on a line together last night, and are both being healthy scratched for the Marlies game tonight. It’s early in the season, and wouldn’t be getting this much attention if the NHL season was on like it should be, but it’s still noteworthy.

This is a time when Kadri and Colborne have management and coaches full attention, and due to that they should be taking advantage of it and showing everyone why they are both NHL ready. Instead, both have struggled out of the gate. It is worth pointing out that most players on the team are underachieving too, but at the same time, most players don’t have the potential or expectations that either Kadri or Colborne do. That’s just the reality of the situation.

Both have been placed on a variety of different lines, whether it be Kadri playing with Aucoin, McKegg or Zigomanis on different units, or Colborne centering wingers like Komarov, Ashton, and even Kadri too. On one hand, it’s understandable why Eakins has been moving pieces around because he needs to find line combos and his team has largely been in a funk. Conversely, it can make it tough for players to find consistency and build rapports with their line mates. It’s an age old debate in hockey.

The weight of not scoring has clearly gotten to Kadri as he’s gotten back to being a little too
individualistic. At one point last night against Houston, he tried to go through three opposing players at the offensive blueline. When a player is struggling, the best thing to do is usually just keep it simple, get in on the forecheck, put pucks on net, go to the net, etc. Kadri tends to hold onto the puck more when he isn’t scoring. Instead, Kadri should be doing things like this.

He’ll snap out of it though, he’s too good not to. He did have a nice hit against Abbotsford, by the way.

Joe Colborne simply hasn’t been getting dirty enough. He’s losing puck along the wall, not getting to the front of the net enough, and has only 11 shots in nine games. That’s not nearly good enough for a player of his talent and size. Maybe we’ll see something when Colborne returns that suggests when he gets pissed off he uses his size effectively and dominates, but to this point, we have rarely seen that from him and it definitely leaves something to be desired. I would be remiss, however, if I didn’t point out against Abbotsford I saw him put the puck between a defender’s legs, dance around him to the outside, then get robbed by the goalie on a wraparound attempt.

More than anything, as you can probably gather, both players have been too cute. They have each been getting some chances, but the Marlies rightfully expect more, and right now they are benching them because of that. The Marlies have a deep team, but these two should still be leaders on it. Gardiner is clearly just that on the backend, and you can plainly see he’s an NHL player in a lower league… Kadri and Colborne haven’t shown that kind of dominance or superiority yet, this year.

One player I did want to point out quickly is Spencer Abbott. Signed out of Maine last year,
Abbott has found himself watching a lot of games so far this year due to Toronto’s depth, but he’s gotten some chances lately to play and he has looked very, very good. In the first period alone against Houston, he setup Aucoin and Komarov for one-timers in the slot that both missed, and also had a ridiculous behind the back pass to Aucoin in the second. Even with none of those passes being buried, he still notched two assists. Abbott hasn’t shot much yet, but man can he really move the puck. He thinks the game at an extremely high level and is someone to definitely keep an eye on.

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  • Burtonboy

    Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin
    Endlessly amusing NHLPA: cool and acceptable for them to trash Bettman, league doing same to The Donald is somehow wayyyyyy over the line.

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  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    My guess is that had there been a deal made this past week (or even over the next 2 days)….that games would be scheduled from the 23rd onwards so as to honor the TV contract from the beginning.  Sure, right now games are cancelled through to December 1….but that could be reworked if needed.  I think the TV contract is the reasoning behind the big push right now.  

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  • Burtonboy

    There is a quirk with that TV contract . They were supposed to start broadcasting on Nov. 23 rd but here’s the kicker . The next game on NBC in the US was the Winter Classic .  Don’t think there is all that much pressure from NBC just yet .

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  • JVR

    This lockout would be so much easier to handle if Leafs TV would pick up the slack and show all the Marlies games!!

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Interest in hockey in the States picks up in January in a ton of markets, so yea, I don’t see that being a huge obstacle.  If the two sides hurry and get their shit together, they could maybe broadcast a charity game for the victims of Sandy and restore some goodwill with the fans after this gong show of a negotiation.

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  • TheCanucksnaphook

    I wish.

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  • Burtonboy

    They could even do a watered down Winter Classic in another venue with others teams but the window for that is quickly closing 

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Yea, a Heritage Classic.

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  • OBIE

    From Mark Spector at Sportsnet:

    “Everyone talks about the hawks,” said an NHL coach of the owners who are driving this third successive lockout in as many CBAs. “It’s not the hawks doing the work. It’s the people who can’t operate under the current structure. Players should not go through the first contract, and on the second contract make their (big) money.

    “Edmonton gives (Taylor) Hall and (Jordan) Eberle all that money, now Jamie Benn wants $6M. That’s what kills Dallas,” he said. “The CBA needs to operate the way it’s supposed to operate. The way it is now, you get one contract (on a top player), and then it’s through the roof.”

    It’s just another area where the business of hockey has made mistakes.

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  • Burtonboy

    Exactly . Next day or so is critical Cam. If they don’t get in back in the room very soon   we could be shit out of luck for this season. Once momentum is lost it hard to get it back 

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  • wiski

    That’s for the main national network, but NBC sports network the old Versus has lost many games already. 

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  • wiski

    I think the PA is trying to organize something.

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Giroux is a perfect example of how it’s supposed to work.  

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Yea, that’s bullshit though in my opinion – just trying to win fans back.  Settle the fucking negotiation and do it together.  I’m not going to side with the players for playing a charity game.  I don’t like it when there’s an ulterior motive.

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  • Burtonboy

    Are those not local contracts with individual teams ? The big bucks come from the National contract I think 

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  • MSM

    In the 1995 lockout the season started up again on Jan. 20. They played something like a 50 game season.

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  • wiski

    From my understanding they got everything versus had plus they were going to increase the game of the week matches on the main network.

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Ha, thinking about this negotiation going sour is clearly  making me angry.  I’m going to walk the dog.  It’s a winter wonderland out here. 

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  • Burtonboy

    Might happen this time to MSM but I have a feeling the League will pull the plug much quicker this time . They have already shown that to some extent by cancelling the full month of November 

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  • Mike Bosse

    Joe Colborne, Nazem Kadri, Ben Scrivens….wow those are 3 names the Leafs were counting on this year, these kids better wake up and show what they can do. If they want to prove to Burke and Co. that they can play in the bigs it time to relly step it up….and good on Eakins for this move (sitting them out), should light a fire under their butts for sure. GO Marlies.

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  • JVR

    On the bright side, if they get a deal done, the schedule will be compressed, which means less nights without the Leafs on TV :)

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  • TheCanucksnaphook

    Keep it out there….Its 10 degrees here.  I prefer this weather.

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  • Burtonboy

    Could be but its a moot point I guess . NBC will get a free yr tacked on the end of the contract if the season is lost . 

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  • OBIE

    Burke predicted the overspending shitstorm when Edmonton poached Penner from him in Anaheim. He was furious at the time but he was right.

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  • TheCanucksnaphook

    If I am NBC i tell the NHL to get bent.  I would find another sport to focus on….hunting may actually draw more Americans to watch.

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