Marlies Open Thread

@ Top Cheese:
I guess the question will be, is he going to be 3rd line, 4th line or a mix throughout the year because of necessity. We know he will be one of the top PK players. I don’t know enough specifically about McClement but I would guess that his minus number would have to do with who he faces on line match-ups. If he’s out there every night facing the best offensive players on other teams, then it seems reasonable to expect a minus over the season. -8 for Colorado doesn’t seem that bad in this context. And he may be starting more of his shifts in the defensive zone.

Don’t take me serious. I was just poking a bit of fun at Burkie . I know he’s constrained by the system he has to work under.  

it wasn’t aimed at you but the point that was brought up 

I guess this is one of those personal feeling things without facts or numbers to back it up, but I don’t think we’ll miss Schenn’s contribution at all. But JVR could become an important part of this team in the next couple of years. 

Its even more than that though. Loria just guaranteed himself a profit for next year with TV revenue if he doesn’t get a single fan to see a game. No cap floor is just as important as no cap ceiling. Also money changed hands which isn’t allowed in the NHL. The situations are so different its just incredible. Also who are the agents that accepted a verbal no trade promise from Loria? Time for the players to fire them I would say.

plus the amount of NHL players that have some type of no-trade/no-movement clauses

So it seems Fehr argument doesn’t hold as much water.  The next CBA in MLB probably will have a cap?

And I don’t think that Carlyle has any use for defensemen like Schenn anymore.  Beauchemin is the lone exception as far as guys that have had a more defensive skill set and excelled under Carlyle.  And even then, Beauchemin was a veteran at that point, in his prime, a complete two way player, and next to either Pronger or Niedermayer.
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But I think, all world talents aside, that RC would prefer a Visnovsky skill set over a Schenn skill set.  And not surprisingly, we have started to build our defense that way with Rielly, Gardiner, Percy, Liles, and Phaneuf – all guys that are fluid skaters with offensive instincts.  The goal under RC is going to be to play in the other zone.  With that in mind, it makes more sense to have JVR as he will probably immediately be our best forward at keeping the puck in that zone.

Yep.  Pretty clear that on the back end Burke is looking more at a Detroit model than a Boston model.  This seems smart to me for a lot of reasons.  First because playing that really rough, physical game is hard to sustain.  Boston will lose that identity within a few years as Chara declines, where as Detroit had a run of 2 decades.  You’re also just less likely to get injured playing in the offensive zone. 

I doubt it 

For sure. I don’t disregard +/- like some people, but you definitely have to take the circumstances into account. Some people take the numbers of a player who gets 13-14 minutes ice time, extrapolate and say, “this is what he would be like if he played 19-20 minutes”. Doesn’t work though without considering who he plays with, who he plays against and what zone he probably spends more time in. And there are very different roles and expectations assigned to players with those numbers of minutes.

I know very little about the economics of baseball other than they have significant tv, cable (and internet?) revenue. Why do you think baseball should have a floor?