Mashup: [Some Title, Does Anyone Still Care?]

by on November 22, 2012 in Morning Mashup - 1,131 Comments

Mashup: [Some Title, Does Anyone Still Care?]
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Go Jays. Is it April yet?

Ugh. Watching this lockout trudge along through a seemingly insane number of days of “still happening” may have literally ripped all the ability to feel optimism out of my mind. LOUD: “THEY’RE MEETING TODAY!” Quieter: “They met.” Really quiet: “…it did not go well.” That’s every day of an NHL fans’ life right now. Well, not every day. Just the days the two sides decide to spend uselessly in the same building.

The sad fact is, this Wednesday shouldn’t have been useless. The PA seemingly made very real concessions in what was considered a constructive proposal. The league met this with a mild dose of acknowledgement and a major dose of continued posturing. (SPOILER ALERT, JULY SELVES: They really are as stubbornly greedy as we were afraid they’d be).

Gary claims the league’s best offer is on the table and they literally can’t move (“Come to our negotiating point, aka our demands, or no hockey. That’s not a greedy hardline position, right?”). Fehr said much the same, describing the NHL’s response as, “Thanks [for the proposal], but [to end this] you have to agree with what we say.” At the same time, if Gary‘s really a truth-teller, the NHLPA have been real foot-dragging lazies when it comes to submitting comprehensive proposals in a timely fashion. It’s just become so easy to hate everyone involved. But then a player goes crazy on Twitter, and we think – ah, well. At least there’s some entertainment happening.

Gary Bettman is not the villain. Bill Daly is not the villain. The villain in this scenario is a collective. The owners, the league, the lawyers, the NHL’s negotiating team. They, together, have incited this lockout (regardless of how many times they say they didn’t) in the name of good business. They claim to want a system that allows for fair competition while ensuring the “longterm health” of the sport.

They had one. Was the league itself in major financial jeopardy before this started? No. They’re not saving the league. They’re trying to optimize it, in their favour. It’s an attempt to possibly scrape a new layer of icing off the revenue cake for themselves that they wouldn’t have had so much as a whiff of under the old agreement. “Good business“.

Good business would be resolving this amicably with no loss of revenue for anyone and no loss of value for the sport. This is no longer good business. They claim it has to happen. The “short term consequences outweigh the longterm ones” as Gary might put it. I’d love to know what they see that the rest of us don’t. The best possible PR statement the NHL could issue right now would be a candid assessment of why the changes they’ve requested actually need to be made. Have we seen one?

I think my Mashup tone has gone from apathy to spiteful. This could get really interesting by January.

It’s Thursday. Here are some links.

-Mirtle breaks down the numbers in the PA’s latest offer.

-More Mirtle. Expect the next rhetorical war to be between the league’s threatening of a canceled season and the PA’s threatening of decertification.

-Per Kyle Cicerella, Nazem Kadri is awesome again.

-Players did not react well to Wednesday’s developments via social media. Jeff O’Neill Whoever hacked Jeff O’Neill’s account took it…pretty far.

-Here’s the main TSN article on Wednesday’s session. Pertinent quotes as such. During his press scrum video, Gary laments that Fehr talked to the press at midday while the NHL was reviewing the PA offer. Called it not very “constructive.” Let me say that again. While talking about the lockout in a press scrum, Gary lamented that people talk about the lockout in press scrums.

-Via TLN, can Stuart Percy make the WJHC roster?

 

 

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  • keon

    I believe Moose Jaw is playing the junior game of the week tonight

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  • keon

    Yes, at 9:00 on Sportsnet

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  • Grahamzky

    So do the NFL players have guaranteed contracts now?

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  • http://www.afc.co.uk Scottish Leaf

    Awesome, I’ll have a deek at what time that starts in GMT. Haven’t seen Morgan Rielly in action yet and I’d be up for staying up late to see how good he is.

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  • keon

    Wouldn’t it be 2 AM?

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  • Komas Taberle

    I believe it will begin at 2:00 am GMT

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  • http://www.afc.co.uk Scottish Leaf

    Should be around about that, I’ll stay up for it, got nothing else planned for tomorrow as it stands :)

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  • DSM

    Some claim that the NFL union lost because the court wouldn’t declare the lockout illegal, but it forced the owners back to the bargaining table and the deal was completed fairly quickly after the union recertified.

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  • wiski

    Desertification would never happen cause the leaf would have a great chance to dramatically improve. No way Bettman lets that happen ;)   

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  • http://www.afc.co.uk Scottish Leaf

    He’ll help rig the draft so we get MacKinnon though ;)

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  • Waiting4LSC

    Monetary wise, NO. The signing bonus, and whatever is specified as guaranteed is guaranteed. Player can sign a 5 year contract at $5M per, but normally there will be a clause that specifies this as being guaranteed for less than the full term, often 2 or 3 years. 

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  • wiski

    Do the NHLers ? lol

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    I don’t think so but I stopped following NFL about 5 years ago. What point are you making? The NFL players have never had guaranteed contracts as far back as I remember. The NHL players have always had guaranteed contracts with a PA or without. I don’t expect things to change. 

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  • Zep2

    Of course, why didn’t I think of that LOL

    Nevertheless. Both sides are playing with fire.

    Especially the league. The players have conceded the 50/50 split. Now Bettman and Co. are trying to bend them over to do You Know  What

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    QFT???  lol

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  • Waiting4LSC

    SL: Do you stream? I am in the US and cannot get a stream for the WHL.

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  • Grahamzky

    Actually in the old 6-team league individual teams owned Junior teams – and so it was kind of fun when you watched or followed a Junior team – like if you went to a Edmonton Oil Kings game, I believe they were owned by the Red Wings, the Brandon Wheat Kings were owned by the Rangers, the Wpg Monarchs and a team in Toronto (St. Mikes?) were owned by the Leafs, etc.

    It was interesting!

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  • keon

    quivering fat tits

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  • http://www.afc.co.uk Scottish Leaf

    I usually do chief aye, I’ve got ESPN America over here which gives me the NHL/AHL normally but I have to stream any other leagues that I want to watch.

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  • wiski

    I did a little math yesterday, 182 million basically comes down to 1.2 million per team or 55 grand per player per year over 5 years. They can both take a flying fuck imo.

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  • Waiting4LSC

    SL: If you find a stream would you please post on this site I will to. Much appreciated.

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  • Grahamzky

    They did have! Or at least almost all of it!  LOL

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  • http://www.afc.co.uk Scottish Leaf

    Definitely bud, I’ll be searching for games later on since I have about 5 hours to kill :)

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  • wiski

    Greg Wyshynski ‏@wyshynski
    New Puck Daddy: Good idea, bad idea: Donald Fehr, Dave Bolland slam Bettman using someone else’s words http://yhoo.it/UyQ38F 

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  • Knights2Leafs

    Back from the law library. My research tells me that the opinion  of Justice Burtonboy is the prevailing doctrine in this area of the law:

    Decertification = Clusterfuck = Both sides will be sorry

    The dissenting views of OBIE and djamon are duly noted.

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