Mashup: [Some Title, Does Anyone Still Care?]

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Mashup: [Some Title, Does Anyone Still Care?]
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Go Jays. Is it April yet?

Ugh. Watching this lockout trudge along through a seemingly insane number of days of “still happening” may have literally ripped all the ability to feel optimism out of my mind. LOUD: “THEY’RE MEETING TODAY!” Quieter: “They met.” Really quiet: “…it did not go well.” That’s every day of an NHL fans’ life right now. Well, not every day. Just the days the two sides decide to spend uselessly in the same building.

The sad fact is, this Wednesday shouldn’t have been useless. The PA seemingly made very real concessions in what was considered a constructive proposal. The league met this with a mild dose of acknowledgement and a major dose of continued posturing. (SPOILER ALERT, JULY SELVES: They really are as stubbornly greedy as we were afraid they’d be).

Gary claims the league’s best offer is on the table and they literally can’t move (“Come to our negotiating point, aka our demands, or no hockey. That’s not a greedy hardline position, right?”). Fehr said much the same, describing the NHL’s response as, “Thanks [for the proposal], but [to end this] you have to agree with what we say.” At the same time, if Gary‘s really a truth-teller, the NHLPA have been real foot-dragging lazies when it comes to submitting comprehensive proposals in a timely fashion. It’s just become so easy to hate everyone involved. But then a player goes crazy on Twitter, and we think – ah, well. At least there’s some entertainment happening.

Gary Bettman is not the villain. Bill Daly is not the villain. The villain in this scenario is a collective. The owners, the league, the lawyers, the NHL’s negotiating team. They, together, have incited this lockout (regardless of how many times they say they didn’t) in the name of good business. They claim to want a system that allows for fair competition while ensuring the “longterm health” of the sport.

They had one. Was the league itself in major financial jeopardy before this started? No. They’re not saving the league. They’re trying to optimize it, in their favour. It’s an attempt to possibly scrape a new layer of icing off the revenue cake for themselves that they wouldn’t have had so much as a whiff of under the old agreement. “Good business“.

Good business would be resolving this amicably with no loss of revenue for anyone and no loss of value for the sport. This is no longer good business. They claim it has to happen. The “short term consequences outweigh the longterm ones” as Gary might put it. I’d love to know what they see that the rest of us don’t. The best possible PR statement the NHL could issue right now would be a candid assessment of why the changes they’ve requested actually need to be made. Have we seen one?

I think my Mashup tone has gone from apathy to spiteful. This could get really interesting by January.

It’s Thursday. Here are some links.

-Mirtle breaks down the numbers in the PA’s latest offer.

-More Mirtle. Expect the next rhetorical war to be between the league’s threatening of a canceled season and the PA’s threatening of decertification.

-Per Kyle Cicerella, Nazem Kadri is awesome again.

-Players did not react well to Wednesday’s developments via social media. Jeff O’Neill Whoever hacked Jeff O’Neill’s account took it…pretty far.

-Here’s the main TSN article on Wednesday’s session. Pertinent quotes as such. During his press scrum video, Gary laments that Fehr talked to the press at midday while the NHL was reviewing the PA offer. Called it not very “constructive.” Let me say that again. While talking about the lockout in a press scrum, Gary lamented that people talk about the lockout in press scrums.

-Via TLN, can Stuart Percy make the WJHC roster?

 

 

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  • Waiting4LSC

    Wiski: As always, much appreciated.

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  • wiski

    That’s less than I was paying for my 10 meg plan. lol

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  • Zep2

    It was. Leafs where a power house. 

    Still , I can’t figure to this day how they let Bobby Orr slip through their fingers. Frack

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  • Zep2

    I haven’t looked at Blackers stats but after a slow start he seems to be playing very well. Maybe just an adjustment down the depth chart by Jake, Ranger and Kostas.

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  • wiski

    I was gonna check out this place instead of game center when the nhl gets back.
    http://www4.hockeystreams.com/

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  • Grahamzky

    Yea Stanley Cup contenders every year. And it helped our scouts a lot that almost every kid in Canada (at least the ones I knew) wanted to be a either a Toronto Maple Leaf – or Montreal Canadien (barf – I just lost my supper!)
    Don’t know what happened to Orr – maybe no Leaf scouts in Parry Sound?

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    The Leafs were fat cats then and I guess acted like it. There’s the story of Orr’s father sending a letter(s) to Punch Imlach begging the Leafs to come take a look at his kid (12 years old), but Imlach handed it off to someone else and the Leafs never followed up much on the kid who age wise was still a long way off. Oddly, it seems that if Orr had been a good player playing in his own age bracket they might have been more interested but he was a small kid playing with older players. Wanted to wear the Maple Leaf too.  sigh…

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  • wiski

    Bill Watters ‏@RealBillWatters
    Players’ salaries 11/12,1.85 Billidn.A 182 day NHL schedule elicits a 10 million dollar per day loss for each cancelled day in the schedule.

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  • Zep2

    Makes you weep doesn’t it

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    Makes me want to weep??   What do you think I’m doing right now?   lol

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  • wiski

    My first game of organized hockey I wore # 4 and played right D :)

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  • http://www.afc.co.uk Scottish Leaf

    Let’s go Mooseheads :D

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  • Zep2

    Interesting comment from a US agent in a Michael  Grange article

    The NHLPA has become nothing more than a vehicle [for the owners] to take revenue share and contract rights away from players,” said Walsh.

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  • wiski

    Toronto Sun ‏@TheTorontoSun
    NHL lockout puts Vancouver Canucks head coach back under his parents’ roof. http://bit.ly/Ujm06K 

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  • wiski

    Andi Petrillo ‏@andipHNIC
    I would be remiss not to congratulate Pat Quinn on his Order Of Canada honour today.

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  • wiski

    Allan Walsh ‏@walsha
    Why? NBPA and NFLPA action led to quick agreements RT@SiriusXMNHL: Bill Daly: “Decertification would be a death knell to the season”

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  • http://www.afc.co.uk Scottish Leaf

    Drouin and MacKinnon with an assist already

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  • keon

    I thought then, and still believe, that telling the world — especially the Toronto hockey market — that you’ve landed the top player in the draft isn’t the best first step in player development. Undue, or at least avoidable, pressure is at least a threat to a teenager’s development. Historically, expectations in Toronto start at the unrealistic, so there’s little sense inflating them. As one former NHL GM said: “It was just about the dumbest thing you could do and why Brian did it I don’t know.”
    I sampled a few scouts this week and asked them a couple of questions:
    1. Could Reilly have been on top of a team’s list?
    2. If there were a do-over of the draft, would Rielly move up based on his play this season and what seems to be a strong comeback from his ACL patch-up?
    There seemed to be a split on question No. 1.
    Said one Western Conference scout:
    “I’d say Rielly might have been (the overall No. 1) for an organization based on what he had done before. I liked him more than Ryan Murray(the Everett defenceman who went No. 2 overall to Columbus). He has more upside, more play-making offensive ability. Murray will be a good player but the creative part of the game, that’s Rielly’s strength. Murray would be the sound defensive player who would allow a player like Rielly or Ryan Murphy to go do his thing. And I see Rielly as a better risk-reward bet than Murphy — the upside with Rielly might be higher and there’s less risk of him not being able to help you. I’d say No. 1 overall (for Rielly) is defensible.”
    Another Western Conference scout who had Rielly further down his list last June said: “I liked him but I would have had trouble taking him at No. 5, never mind No. 1.”
    I heard more of the skepticism about Burke’s claimed ranking of Rielly rather than support, but if it’s plausible to any other organization then it was plausible, period.
    On question No. 2 there was something close to the consensus.
    One representative scouting report from a western regional scout went as follows:
    “(Rielly) has been really strong. He was great in the (Subway) series against the Russians and he’s better and better as the season goes on. He’s a great skater, right at the top of his class, and you get a sense that he’s not 100 per cent back. That’s going to take a full season. A lockout doesn’t hurt him at all. The fact that he can play at this level as he builds the leg strength back up is better than trying to do it (in the NHL). Based on what he’s done so far this season, I’d have him ahead of Murray. Significantly. If he was the Leafs’ No. 1 overall on their list, I’d say congratulations, that’s a good pick.”
    Brian Burke, please forgive me for ever doubting you. I still don’t think you did Morgan Rielly any favours but, in these awful times, nobody stands to benefit from the NHL lockout more than the Leafs’ first pick.
    In fact, he might be the only one to benefit other than the lawyers.

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  • keon

    link to below

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/11/22/joyce_on_leafs_a_look_back_at_the_morgan_rielly_pick/

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    The man knows defenders.

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  • keon

    Possibly, but he doesn`t know how to keep quiet

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    The man knows defenders.

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  • keon

    Polly want a cracker

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    The man knows defenders.  lol

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  • wiski

    The man knows defenders. good read thnks

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