A dash of cautious optimism

by on December 5, 2012 in Morning Mashup - 2,772 Comments

A dash of cautious optimism
Photo: Associated Press, courtesy of Sportsnet
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Long since dead and buried is any hockey fan holding their breath after every sign of optimism throughout the last 12 weeks of off-and-on negotiations. Cautious optimism isn’t a new development, but it’s up to you to determine if it has a different feel to it this time around. One of the Fehrs and Bill Daly standing side by side talking progress certainly is a first.

What Daly and Fehr said yesterday wasn’t anything particularly groundbreaking, but there they were standing beside each other sharing in one another’s semi-optimism. Daly thanked the sizeable group of negotiating players for putting in a hard day of productive negotiations, and Steve Fehr went as far as to say it might possibly have been their best day of them yet. At least, “in some ways.”

Anyways, the two sides do appear to be buckling down with this new approach to solving what seems to be a resolvable gap (in terms of the make-whole sticking point) with around 55 games left on the uncanceled portion of the schedule.

From Craig Custance:

Armed with the revenue and expense data that only the league and its teams have, economists say the league can project almost to the date when it becomes less beneficial to hold out for a better CBA and more beneficial to start playing hockey.

We may have finally reached that point. Hope, I think there’s reason to, but I’ll leave anything beyond that to Steve Burton.

Wednesday morning Leafs links..

Four Leafs on World Junior Preliminary Rosters
Tyler Biggs (USA), Garret Sparks (USA), Tom Nilsson (Sweden) and Morgan Rielly. Team USA has three goalies on the prelim roster and has to cut four bodies, so hopefully Sparks sticks.

The Colborne Conundrum
Gus Katsaros takes a really good in-depth look at the struggling Joe Colborne. Kats finishes off by asking: “Is it Joe Colborne the skilled player Burke and co envisioned? Or is it David Steckel adapting to a bottom six role.”

Even minus Murray, Canada’s defence looks powerful
A look at the strong Team Canada blueline that includes Morgan Rielly. The article include speculation of Rielly joining Dougie Hamilton in the top pairing. Because Leafs fans couldn’t just enjoy having one of the best D prospects in the game without hearing, “could’ve had Hamilton, too!”

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  • TrackofShack

    I believe they open against Boston too, and their new manager Farrell.

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  • Zeus_the_friendly_hobo

     That too is market forces. If the Toronto Maple Leafs are not part of a strong league with interest from ALL OVER the US and Canada then they will suffer themselves. The money they pump in to keep lesser teams afloat actually sparks interest from all over and makes the product strong and in the $1b bracket. If teams such as Phoenix and those from the southern states (disregaurding LA) where left to fold then the market for the NHL would be solely a northern US Canadian venture. It is the duty of all business to seak new investors and customers not regress. Sure an 18 team league might be for the better but it would then never compete in TV revenues with other sports. They are along way off the NFL,NBA and baseball but they are entering into newer markets faster than the others.
    As for paying the players they get far more in comparison to their NFL counterparts. If you took the revenue of the NFL and compared it to the NHL revenue and saw the wages of the players be as according then your comment would hold validity.

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  • hometeem

    fb much ;)

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  • hometeem

    i read that not 10 mins ago

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  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Yeah, I’m not convinced the ‘Spos wouldn’t have ended up moving even if they had won a World Series.

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  • JVR

    I was actually at the ACC the first time the fans starting chanting “Eddie, Eddie, Eddie” 
    It was a game against Detroit and was supposed to be Cujo’s return to Toronto, but the Wings started the backup (Osgood?) instead.

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  • djamon

    I know…I just happened to read that when Hobo went off the rails. Is that plagiarism? lol

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  • Optimustic

    It sure was when we lost to the Rags on Oct.30, 2010.  2 – 0 and wasn’t even as good as the score showed.  
       The first game that they played against the Jets, last year was much better, but I have to agree with you, the new arenas aren’t as good as the old ones.  The old Aud in Buffalo was better than the new arena too.

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  • hometeem

    compare roster size and compare total rev 3x in each

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  • djamon

    What happened sucks for sure…they were on fire that summer. But yeah…they were a little fragile long before the strike.

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  • wiski

    That’s cause we haven’t had playoffs or any success for a long time. I remember being at game seven at the gardens against St louis, the hair on the back of your neck was standing on end before you got off the subway, talk about an electric atmosphere.  

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  • JVR

    Anyways guys, I’m gonna go catch up on the Marlies Today episodes I have saved on my PVR, so I’ll talk to y’all tomorrow :)

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  • Zombie27

    Gardens was definitely different. I remember being on Yonge St for that lol…and watching game 7 vs the Kings at the skydome…ahhhh, yes…

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  • Optimustic

    yeah, especially now, after the recent deals.  Anyway it’s bedtime for me.  Work tomorrow.  Gnight all.

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  • wiski

    Brandon Prust ‏@BrandonPrust8
    I’m done caring.. We keep moving and giving.. This 1 way street sucks

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  • Zeus_the_friendly_hobo

    Thats the strange reality of living in a market society where the sport is propping up teams that would naturally go bankrupt (communism)  and within that communist state run away market economy governed by a CBA that is too much for the players decided by a union (socialism again).
    What could possibly go wrong

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  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    To hell with the Eddie chant!!  I want the Bullshit chant!! I want the GO LANNY GO chant!! I want the loud horns blowing.  Hell, I want Paul Morris back!!

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  • Zeus_the_friendly_hobo

    There is two types of drop in prices. Real terms meaning a dollar drop or relative drop meaning not a rise when everything else around goes up. I cant guess what could possibly happen in the future that may not come about. And as you cant measure what would have been with any accuracy I cannot give a real answer. All I know is a business runs on the simple idea of making maximum profot. The people and what they pay is what the market is. Why sell a ticket for 20 dollars when you could get 200, only for the fan to be left with 180 dollars in his pocket where he then uses that money for a new mobile phone or ipad. The idea of the business is to make the profit themselves. Im sure if they could charge 2000 they would but market says no.

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  • GreekLeafer

    Share more Gardens stories! That sounds great. I’ve had some fun busrides to Kanata from campus, but nothing like that.

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  • Zeus_the_friendly_hobo

    what kind of comment is that, makes no sense. The point is you cant force emerging countries industries to allow unions to get a foot hold. I realise those workers have it shitty, you want to stop it, then dont buy Nike, Apple products, foreign cars, mobile phones etc etc etc. Not that easy is it, much easier not to care. But taxing yourself isnt the answer.

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  • GreekLeafer

    I like those old horn sounds, you can hear them in the 93 run on Youtube clips. That place had a lot of old timey charm.

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  • Zeus_the_friendly_hobo

    so your answer to defend unions is personal attack. The language of the uneductaed. the socialist. the dreamer.

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  • Zombie27

    Man, Lanny is one awesome dude…I met him in Afghanistan and he actually handed me over his Stanley Cup ring and I put it on for size.. he also handed me his Canada Cup ring…sat with him and Tiger Williams just shooting the shit in 2009 on trade deadline day…it was awesome.

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  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    I was always fascinated by the Gardens as far back as a kid in the 70′s going to games and wandering around between periods…wondering where all the locked doors led to.

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  • Zeus_the_friendly_hobo

     Im not trying to get rid of unions but limit their power. An individual worker is able with legal aid and the money hes earned able to take his employer to the courts, something that wasnt available in the 1800′s when unions first popped up. What Im saying is unions have destroyed the market economy by redistributing wealth when doing that only ever goes to lower the price at the top and raise it at the bottom. Those in membership are temporailly safe, those without suffer. And when the axe does fall the one to get blamed is fat cats rather than the weasle.

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