Wednesday Open Thread: Talks resume

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Wednesday Open Thread: Talks resume
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The NHLPA has invited U.S federal mediators into today’s meetings. They were of little use in late November but do re enter the picture at a more progressed stage than last time around. Bettman expressed zero interest in going the mediation route when talks broke down last week, Bill Daly is setting the bar low for today already, and no owners will be present, so there’s no sense in getting your hopes up too high for today.

If the five year limit on contracts really is the hill the owners will kill the season fighting on, it’s going to be interesting to see how or if things progress from here. The players see themselves losing leverage due to the trickle down effect of imposing a five-year limit on contracts, citing two central concerns: if the top players are only getting five year deals, what will everyone else get? If GMs don’t have the ability to reduce the cap hit in exchange for term on big ticket deals, how will that affect salaries for the rest of the roster? The owners meanwhile want to strengthen their control and see themselves conceding enough already on make-whole – a concession, according to the rhetoric, that they offered only as package deal along with some other conditions. If the players make significant demands on increasing the contract limit, do the owners yank the $100M back on make whole? Revisit arbitration, UFA and entry level restrictions? Where would we stand then?

I’d like to agree with Fehr’s assessment that they are very close – they definitely appear to be – but it’s also easy to see where this could all go wrong again.

For a good read on the situation heading into today, check out Elliotte Friedman’s always-excellent 30 thoughts post from yesterday.

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  • TheCanucksnaphook

    how ws the bowl?

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  • rustynail

    How is that possible since he is a Leafs prospect. We know they have limited ceiling.

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  • DefenceWinsChampionships

    IWhen it comes to Rielly, I expect him to be a 2nd-pairing Dman at even-strength, but a 1st unit PPQB. That’s a very valuable player. His ceiling, however, is to be a guy like Dan Boyle… someone that can be a star PPQB and be good enough defensively to play top-pairing minutes at even-strength. Not a premier shut-down dman, but someone you can play against other teams’ top forwards without being completely over-matched. 

    Murray is a guy I expect to be a top-pairing dman at even-strength, and a 1st or 2nd unit PP guy. He should be the kind of player Bouwmeester was in Florida… an all-situations 2-way stud that isn’t all that physical, but plays a strong positional game, and makes a living of off his skating. There isn’t much more higher to go, but his ceiling is even beyond that. Murray is still the #1 D prospect from the 2012 draft. Rielly is #2, imo. 

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  • peterbleafs

     They’re all losers.  I think that is the conclusion everyone is drawing wrt Fehr, Bettman, NHL, NHLPA, subset of Owners, Daly/Fehr Jr. 

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  • peterbleafs

     Exactly what does decertification do for anyone?

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  • peterbleafs

    I suppose if the NHLPA decertifiies, then all the contracts between the entities, are null and void. Meaning the players lose their contracts, the NHLPA loses their rights to negotiate a CBA with the NHL, the NHL can impose any set of rules they wish for players who want to play in the NHL and the market is wide open.  Seems to me everyone loses far bigger doing that.  But then again, I wouldnt put anything stupid past either of these groups.

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