Leafs fans have the patience for a “true rebuild”

by on January 13, 2013 in 2012-13 Season - 873 Comments

Leafs fans have the patience for a “true rebuild”
Dave Nonis, GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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Former NFL coach Buddy Ryan once famously said, ‘If you listen to the fans, you’ll be sitting up there with them.’

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, it means that, as a GM or coach of a pro franchise, your job is to do what is best for the team regardless of what the fans believe. Thus, when a person is commenting on the Leafs and says, “Toronto isn’t patient enough to let the Leafs rebuild,” I can’t help but wonder what the hell they are talking about, and why it would even matter.

Let’s start with the facts, which suggest this isn’t even true to begin with.

The Leafs have sucked, or at best been mediocre on the whole, since the lockout of 2004-05 passed (side note, having to distinguish between lockouts now is absolutely embarrassing; thanks, NHL). Yet what do you see when you watch, or go to, Leafs games? Fans. Has merchandise magically stopped selling in Leafs-land? No. Have people stopped tuning into HNIC to watch the Leafs? Not that I’m aware of (frankly, I wouldn’t mind if people did, because then CBC wouldn’t assign their “number one” announcer Jim Hughson to announce Leafs games).

Here are some figures courtesy of Forbes to consider. The Leafs average ticket price is $120, the next highest is $96 (Habs). Even with that obscenely high ticket price, and lacklustre play, the Leafs rank fifth in average attendance according to ESPN , and the only reason they aren’t higher is because they don’t have as many seats to sell as the teams ahead of them. In terms of percentage of the arena filled, the Leafs rank third, behind only Philadelphia and Chicago, who are pretty well perennial contenders.

The Leafs also, according to Forbes, are the highest revenue grossing team at $200M. The next four teams are the Rangers, Canadiens, Canucks and Bruins. All four of those teams have gone to at least the Conference Finals within the last three seasons. Whereas the Leafs, in the last seven seasons, have finished accordingly: 18th, 18th, 24th, 24th, 29th, 22nd, and 26th.

Standings wise, the Leafs have more or less been trending toward a rebuild. The irony, of course, is that they’ve been conducting business as if they are doing anything but.

Don’t forget, either, that Forbes recently reported that the Leafs are the NHL’s first billion dollar franchise.

So those are facts. They basically read that the Leafs are as profitable ever, fill their arena as much as they ever have, and have sucked throughout the process.

Now for the second part of the equation, which is, actually listening to the fans versus doing what is best for the team.

The bottom line reads that, if any franchise is listening to their fans compared to the guys that they give millions of dollars to to make decisions, then there is a problem.

The irony of fans getting mad at ownership for dictating what a GM does, while also getting mad when that same GM doesn’t do what they want him to do, is almost too rich for words.

I mean, if the Leafs aren’t going to rebuild because the fans wouldn’t tolerate it, then they might as well put a poll up on Leafs.com right before they are about to make any and every transaction.

What’s the worst thing that would even happen should the Leafs ever decide to just tear it all down and literally start from scratch with top draft picks? The fans stop coming? If the above stats didn’t convince you that fans would clearly not stop coming, then nothing will.

What’s the other drawback? Fan backlash? The only reason fans have been so pissed off over the last few years is because the Leafs repeatedly stated that they won’t rebuild traditionally, yet were doing terribly regardless. They brought the pressure on themselves. Whether you agree or not with that isn’t the point, the point is that the average fan got genuinely excited when Burke came to town and appeared ready to turn the franchise around right away, then didn’t. It’s the comment I personally receive most from most people, that he “hyped everyone up, then didn’t produce ****. “

If someone in charge of the Leafs frankly states, “This is going to be a slow rebuild, but we will use the draft to accumulate elite talent over a few years and then rise,” are there fans that will seriously be mad throughout those seasons? Frustrated, no doubt; it sucks watching your team lose. But when a guy is clear with you about the direction he’s taking, and you begin to see elite players in the system coming up – I haven’t spoken with one Leafs fan in three months who isn’t tickled pink about Morgan Rielly – then what is anyone seriously going to get mad about? Yeah, Leafs fans are extremely passionate, but if it’s laid out for them like that and it’s easy to see the actual plan coming together, only the special kind of Leafs fans would actually be mad about that.

The Leafs have come to a point, as a team, where they are one of the punch-lines of the league. It is sad, but it is true. They are right up there with the Islanders and Blue Jackets, and man does it pain me to say that. While I do personally believe they are somewhat on the rise – especially if they get a certain goalie – there actually isn’t much further they could have sunk in the past few years.

Yet here we are, even after another ridiculous lockout, clamouring for them.

So let’s not turn this into a “THIS is why the Leafs never win, because fans always come!” debate, or even discuss whether the Leafs should just completely tear it down and rebuild right this second (that wouldn’t make sense at this point). This isn’t even really a discussion on the state of the current team; it’s purely about whether the Leafs could do a slow rebuild in Toronto.

Let’s also not pretend we would stop watching if the Leafs tanked, or if we actually did stop watching for a bit because they sucked, that we would not return after they’ve accumulated more than a few elite young talents and started morphing into a Cup contender ala Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc.

Let’s call this exactly the two things that it is: One: the fans can clearly be patient enough for a rebuild, and two: whoever is in charge of the team has to do whatever he thinks is best for the team regardless of what the fans believe, the Leafs winning (eventually) is what is most important.

The Leafs most likely aren’t going to rebuild anytime soon, so all of this is generally speaking moot. That said, it’s time to stop listening to the dribble that says “Toronto would neither tolerate, nor have the patience for, a true rebuild.” That’s just not true.

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  • Alec_Brownscombe

    Few points of contention here.

    There’s a difference between having the patience for a rebuild, and not having the patience but continuing to care and bitch throughout the process.

    “THIS is why the Leafs never win, because fans always come!”  No one is saying this in wake of the Burke firing, except the idiots who always have. It’s a nonsensical argument.

    “The irony of fans getting mad at ownership for dictating what a GM does, while also getting mad when that same GM doesn’t do what they want him to do, is almost too rich for words.” You can disagree with a move Brian Burke move but still think he’s the right man for the job, and be upset when he gets ran out of the front office because of a “personality issue” on the part of some new dickhead board member after getting just three and a half years to turn around the worst franchise in hockey.

    “This is going to be a slow rebuild, but we will use the draft to accumulate elite talent over a few years and then rise,” are there fans that will seriously be mad throughout those seasons?” Don’t underestimate Leafs fans. Burke had two top ten picks in Rielly and Kadri. Burke has increased organizational depth with young assets five fold. He made Gardiner, who should’ve been drafted higher than 17th overall, appear out of thin air in return for an older prior FA signing (alongside a 28 year old Lupul who may be a top line LW here for a number of years, or if not should net us some good assets). He acquired a first round talent Colborne for Kaberle, who’s career was spiraling downhill. When Burke traded his 2nd overall pick, it was for a 22 year old 36-goal-scorer. Don’t forget our Captain and number one defenceman in all of this, who was acquired at age 25 in a downright trade rape.

    Burke was doing what’s required to rebuild in today’s game, even managing to acquire some damn good established young assets instead of leaning 100% on the draft. The loss of the picks in the Kessel trade was more than offset by a) KESSEL, b) some great trades for young assets. He wanted to compete in the interim, and that might have been his biggest failing. He couldn’t find the right goaltender (partially his fault, partially bad luck w/ the Reimer concussion), and flopped on a few of his UFA signings, which were key to accomplishing that “compete now” goal.  And the majority of fans lynched him for it, when it wasn’t even the most important part.

    Burke would’ve turned this team around with a little more time. I hope Nonis gets the patience he deserves to continue where Burke left off, but I’m not banking on it.

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  • BeLeafer29

    SECOND

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  • BeLeafer29

    Lets get real people, you actually think we are getting LUO???  Wouldn’t he be here by now. The Leafs are going to let him practice with Vancouver over then next few days and then what, suit for the Leafs Sat. Night?

    WAKE UP!

    BYE BURKE and BYE LUONGO PIPE DREAMS!!

    Go Reimer and Scrivens!!!

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  • peterbleafs

    Burke had failed as much as he won.  I am certain his failures (not firing RW, signing Komi, Connolly) were not Nonis moves but these two things set the rebuild back a few years.  RW alone thwarted so much forward development.

    So a true rebuild is actually about 80% done now.  One final quality draft pick (1C potential) and a few prospects surprising is all we need, then a continuous improvement mentality.  

    Nonis may in fact be the right guy to finish the rebuild. 

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  • peterbleafs

    We have four quality goales (Reimer, Scrivens, Rynnas, Sparks) any of whom could blossom into that starter you need but ALL are young.

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  • Ensign

    IM not as optimistic on our goalies as you are..I’m not convinced any of them will get the job done

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  • Zombie27

    Owuya

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  • Zombie27

    Not condoning a Luongo trade but yes that would generally be what would happen if there was a trade lol

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  • DefenceWinsChampionships

    Kaberle’s career wasn’t spiraling downhill when he was moved. He was a very good player for the Leafs right u until the time he was moved. He was better than he got credit for in Boston, too. But since leaving the Leafs, he just doesn’t seem to care as much anymore.  

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  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glenn%20Healy TuckerThomas

    I read the title of this new blog and scratch my head.  WTF did BB do other than cast some sort of spell on half Leafs Nation?  WOW!!   What a great man, but lets actually accomplish something now he’s gone.

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  • peterbleafs

    Ensign, thats the thing with a rebuild, people have to step up and make those advances.  Yes I forgot Owuya in that mix.  But you gotta have faith that one in 5 of our goalies step up to number one.  Every club has the same issue.  Quick? He grew into it.  Most do.

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  • peterbleafs

    Kaberle was clearly slower and less effective in his last few years here.  He was actually fairly pitiful.

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  • http://www.mapleleafshotstove.com/ mr_hanie

    It’s too bad Birke signed some bad free agents, and his trades were better but those awful free agents doomed him too.

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  • Waiting4LSC

    The loss of the picks in the Kessel trade was also made up by the Kaberle trade IMO.

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  • peterbleafs

     Agreed and who says Hamilton will amount to anything in the NHL.  Seguin is high end but so is Kessel.

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  • Ensign

    I get the idea of a rebuild but we’re hoping some goalies pan that are near as toted as quick…and lets be honest.. the last goalie we developed was Potvin…so history doesn’t encourage me.

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  • Grahamzky

    We shall probably see soon if Nonis is doing a full rebuild or not – his first trade will show us which way he is leaning. If we trade for Luongo then we obviously not doing a full rebuild. However if he sticks with Reimer and Scrivens, or trades for a another young goalie, then obviously we are going young.

    You know I was pissed off when the Leafs traded Lanny McDonald, but you know you have to get over it. And the sooner the better. Can we not move ahead?

    Let’s go Leafs!

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  • peterbleafs

     Always goalies available as FAs at times.  Just wait for them.  But never deal quality prospects for old players.  Thats how we stay high end.

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  • peterbleafs

     Yes exactly…is he a man or a gutless wimp.

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  • DefenceWinsChampionships

    Nonis pretty much said he wasn’t going to do a full rebuild. He said he was going to continue on the path Burke was on. 

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  • Ensign

    I’m just saying.. if we could get a young guy i’d be pumped…a Bernier.. i’d also take a shot at Hiller if the cost was reasonable…we need someone to get us to the playoffs so our young guys can get that experience..and our goalies can develop properly… you are right in that they are young.. possibly too young to handle starting in the melting pot that is TO?

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  • Waiting4LSC

    Alec: Rebuild or not, put out a team that shows effort and passion every game and fan support will be demonstrated big time. Leaf fans are forgiving, but they will not suffer fools gladly. Need RC to get the team to leave it all on the ice every game. Need RC to implement systems that get the best out of the squad, that will hold down the goals against. Give us excitement, give us hope.  

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  • moi_moi

    He kept Schenn up, no doubt in my mind. Schenn needed a guy like him to be paired with, and as soon as Kabby was traded Schenn’s game dipped bad. Lot’s of people didn’t really recognize it because Schenn had a decent year that year. But the last 15 games or so he was by far our worst d-man, and that continued all through last year.

    I don’t blame it on Schenn, as much as I do the coaching and GM. They never had anyone to play with him for the rest of his tenure. These d-men need those kind of partners(See Komi with Markov in Montreal).

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  • BeLeafer29

    Get HALAK!!! and Jamie Benn….I sleep well at night!

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  • Gary7

    I’ve always wondered why Cliff hired RW way before hiring his new GM.

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