Leafs fans have the patience for a “true rebuild”

by on January 13, 2013 in 2012-13 Season - 873 Comments

Leafs fans have the patience for a “true rebuild”
Dave Nonis, GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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Former NFL coach Buddy Ryan once famously said, ‘If you listen to the fans, you’ll be sitting up there with them.’

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, it means that, as a GM or coach of a pro franchise, your job is to do what is best for the team regardless of what the fans believe. Thus, when a person is commenting on the Leafs and says, “Toronto isn’t patient enough to let the Leafs rebuild,” I can’t help but wonder what the hell they are talking about, and why it would even matter.

Let’s start with the facts, which suggest this isn’t even true to begin with.

The Leafs have sucked, or at best been mediocre on the whole, since the lockout of 2004-05 passed (side note, having to distinguish between lockouts now is absolutely embarrassing; thanks, NHL). Yet what do you see when you watch, or go to, Leafs games? Fans. Has merchandise magically stopped selling in Leafs-land? No. Have people stopped tuning into HNIC to watch the Leafs? Not that I’m aware of (frankly, I wouldn’t mind if people did, because then CBC wouldn’t assign their “number one” announcer Jim Hughson to announce Leafs games).

Here are some figures courtesy of Forbes to consider. The Leafs average ticket price is $120, the next highest is $96 (Habs). Even with that obscenely high ticket price, and lacklustre play, the Leafs rank fifth in average attendance according to ESPN , and the only reason they aren’t higher is because they don’t have as many seats to sell as the teams ahead of them. In terms of percentage of the arena filled, the Leafs rank third, behind only Philadelphia and Chicago, who are pretty well perennial contenders.

The Leafs also, according to Forbes, are the highest revenue grossing team at $200M. The next four teams are the Rangers, Canadiens, Canucks and Bruins. All four of those teams have gone to at least the Conference Finals within the last three seasons. Whereas the Leafs, in the last seven seasons, have finished accordingly: 18th, 18th, 24th, 24th, 29th, 22nd, and 26th.

Standings wise, the Leafs have more or less been trending toward a rebuild. The irony, of course, is that they’ve been conducting business as if they are doing anything but.

Don’t forget, either, that Forbes recently reported that the Leafs are the NHL’s first billion dollar franchise.

So those are facts. They basically read that the Leafs are as profitable ever, fill their arena as much as they ever have, and have sucked throughout the process.

Now for the second part of the equation, which is, actually listening to the fans versus doing what is best for the team.

The bottom line reads that, if any franchise is listening to their fans compared to the guys that they give millions of dollars to to make decisions, then there is a problem.

The irony of fans getting mad at ownership for dictating what a GM does, while also getting mad when that same GM doesn’t do what they want him to do, is almost too rich for words.

I mean, if the Leafs aren’t going to rebuild because the fans wouldn’t tolerate it, then they might as well put a poll up on Leafs.com right before they are about to make any and every transaction.

What’s the worst thing that would even happen should the Leafs ever decide to just tear it all down and literally start from scratch with top draft picks? The fans stop coming? If the above stats didn’t convince you that fans would clearly not stop coming, then nothing will.

What’s the other drawback? Fan backlash? The only reason fans have been so pissed off over the last few years is because the Leafs repeatedly stated that they won’t rebuild traditionally, yet were doing terribly regardless. They brought the pressure on themselves. Whether you agree or not with that isn’t the point, the point is that the average fan got genuinely excited when Burke came to town and appeared ready to turn the franchise around right away, then didn’t. It’s the comment I personally receive most from most people, that he “hyped everyone up, then didn’t produce ****. “

If someone in charge of the Leafs frankly states, “This is going to be a slow rebuild, but we will use the draft to accumulate elite talent over a few years and then rise,” are there fans that will seriously be mad throughout those seasons? Frustrated, no doubt; it sucks watching your team lose. But when a guy is clear with you about the direction he’s taking, and you begin to see elite players in the system coming up – I haven’t spoken with one Leafs fan in three months who isn’t tickled pink about Morgan Rielly – then what is anyone seriously going to get mad about? Yeah, Leafs fans are extremely passionate, but if it’s laid out for them like that and it’s easy to see the actual plan coming together, only the special kind of Leafs fans would actually be mad about that.

The Leafs have come to a point, as a team, where they are one of the punch-lines of the league. It is sad, but it is true. They are right up there with the Islanders and Blue Jackets, and man does it pain me to say that. While I do personally believe they are somewhat on the rise – especially if they get a certain goalie – there actually isn’t much further they could have sunk in the past few years.

Yet here we are, even after another ridiculous lockout, clamouring for them.

So let’s not turn this into a “THIS is why the Leafs never win, because fans always come!” debate, or even discuss whether the Leafs should just completely tear it down and rebuild right this second (that wouldn’t make sense at this point). This isn’t even really a discussion on the state of the current team; it’s purely about whether the Leafs could do a slow rebuild in Toronto.

Let’s also not pretend we would stop watching if the Leafs tanked, or if we actually did stop watching for a bit because they sucked, that we would not return after they’ve accumulated more than a few elite young talents and started morphing into a Cup contender ala Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc.

Let’s call this exactly the two things that it is: One: the fans can clearly be patient enough for a rebuild, and two: whoever is in charge of the team has to do whatever he thinks is best for the team regardless of what the fans believe, the Leafs winning (eventually) is what is most important.

The Leafs most likely aren’t going to rebuild anytime soon, so all of this is generally speaking moot. That said, it’s time to stop listening to the dribble that says “Toronto would neither tolerate, nor have the patience for, a true rebuild.” That’s just not true.

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  • djamon

    You’re kidding right?

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    lol, Okay, well, I think you just lost it on your ‘context doesn’t matter’ line.  Of course it does.  Anyone who bothered to listen to the interview, the question,and the purpose of the answer could tell you what was meant by his response.  It’s only if you remove that understanding that it looks offensive.  Again, the man is friends with Shero, and I’ve heard him frequently compliment him in his more obscure interviews.  He was merely commenting on the concept of tanking, and why their model isn’t one you can just follow and count on having success.  

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  • Steele123

    No but Malkin, Fleury, Staal all helped.

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  • Marlies Man

    When you’ve got the best player in the world and many other good prospects because you’ve bottomed out for so long, a. you have more flexibility to trade some of those prospects to help surround the best player in the world immediately, and b. players are more inclined to sign with a team that features the best player in the world.

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  • Skar

     And get beyond the rainbow but lucky that you’re picks turn out or that it’s a bumper crop of players the years you suck real bad.

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  • Yaknowwhat

    You got that right…and its so easy to do…lol..

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Totally unrelated things we’re talking about.  Burke isn’t going to tell anyone that Nonis wanted him to stay on.  That would bury him.  It was Cox who revealed that tidbit. 

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  • djamon

    Apology accepted.

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  • Yaknowwhat

    And who selected all those players? Oh yeh..the penguins managment team..

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  • Conis

    Back To the Burke talk I see.  

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  • Skar

     I’m sorry you’re a dick? lol

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  • Yaknowwhat

    I guess Burke was just really unlucky here..

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Exactly!  No one likes being told their wrong, but Burke would do it.  
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    “Why can’t you follow the Pittsburgh model?” 
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    Should have said
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    “Because you dumb fuck, there isn’t a generational talent in every draft, and even if you’re trying to lose you can’t count on getting the best player 3 years in a row.  In fact, you can’t even count on winning the lottery 3 years in a row – ask Scott Howson.”

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  • Skar

     3.5 years. How long did Pittsburgh suck before Shero fell into that pot of gold?

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  • hometeem

    Shero is good at pickin the year to tank, ill give him that

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  • peterbleafs

     Lombardi will be very good this year, Connolly will continue to fade, Komisarek will be far better than last year, MacArthur is far too sporadic and therefore will follow Connolly.  Remember last year? How often did Mac take the night off? I figure about 33% of the time.  Therefore Mac and Connolly have to go.  Lombardi should not have played last year, he is a far better player than he showed.  Komisarek will play his game this year.

    Sure trade Mac and Connolly for whatever you can get, but it wont be much.

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  • Skar

     half decade

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  • Dangle_My_Berries

    actually in many respects he was, connolly, komasarek all having career worst seasons after signing with the leafs. Reimers concussion last season….

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  • hometeem

    exactly

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  • Mattmark

    I admit it’s not the most politically correct thing to say, even if true.  But if you were put on the spot (as Burke always was) and asked to defend your ability as, say, a provider by someone who pointed out your neighbour was far richer, and this neighbour had won a lottery, wouldn’t you be tempted to draw attention to the fact that a certain element of luck had given him a sizable advantage in the comparison?

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  • djamon

    When you insult another organization the context is irrelevant. If you don’t think calling their rebuild strategy nothing more than luck is an insult then I can see why some people get pissed of at you in here. lol

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  • Yaknowwhat

    Why not just say…Pittsburgh made the most of their high picks and had a little luck along the way…but they won a cup..so full marks to them..

    Funny how when somebody else wins a cup its all luck..but when Burke does it ..its because of his shrude and brilliant managment….

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  • djamon

    Sorry…I’ll go by what Burke says himself than what comes out of Cox’s mind.

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  • djamon

    Attabor Skar…stay classy. What a joke you are.

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  • CarltontheBear

    It was well known that connolly is injury prone and would most likely miss a lot of games

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