Leafs fans have the patience for a “true rebuild”

by on January 13, 2013 in 2012-13 Season - 873 Comments

Leafs fans have the patience for a “true rebuild”
Dave Nonis, GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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Former NFL coach Buddy Ryan once famously said, ‘If you listen to the fans, you’ll be sitting up there with them.’

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, it means that, as a GM or coach of a pro franchise, your job is to do what is best for the team regardless of what the fans believe. Thus, when a person is commenting on the Leafs and says, “Toronto isn’t patient enough to let the Leafs rebuild,” I can’t help but wonder what the hell they are talking about, and why it would even matter.

Let’s start with the facts, which suggest this isn’t even true to begin with.

The Leafs have sucked, or at best been mediocre on the whole, since the lockout of 2004-05 passed (side note, having to distinguish between lockouts now is absolutely embarrassing; thanks, NHL). Yet what do you see when you watch, or go to, Leafs games? Fans. Has merchandise magically stopped selling in Leafs-land? No. Have people stopped tuning into HNIC to watch the Leafs? Not that I’m aware of (frankly, I wouldn’t mind if people did, because then CBC wouldn’t assign their “number one” announcer Jim Hughson to announce Leafs games).

Here are some figures courtesy of Forbes to consider. The Leafs average ticket price is $120, the next highest is $96 (Habs). Even with that obscenely high ticket price, and lacklustre play, the Leafs rank fifth in average attendance according to ESPN , and the only reason they aren’t higher is because they don’t have as many seats to sell as the teams ahead of them. In terms of percentage of the arena filled, the Leafs rank third, behind only Philadelphia and Chicago, who are pretty well perennial contenders.

The Leafs also, according to Forbes, are the highest revenue grossing team at $200M. The next four teams are the Rangers, Canadiens, Canucks and Bruins. All four of those teams have gone to at least the Conference Finals within the last three seasons. Whereas the Leafs, in the last seven seasons, have finished accordingly: 18th, 18th, 24th, 24th, 29th, 22nd, and 26th.

Standings wise, the Leafs have more or less been trending toward a rebuild. The irony, of course, is that they’ve been conducting business as if they are doing anything but.

Don’t forget, either, that Forbes recently reported that the Leafs are the NHL’s first billion dollar franchise.

So those are facts. They basically read that the Leafs are as profitable ever, fill their arena as much as they ever have, and have sucked throughout the process.

Now for the second part of the equation, which is, actually listening to the fans versus doing what is best for the team.

The bottom line reads that, if any franchise is listening to their fans compared to the guys that they give millions of dollars to to make decisions, then there is a problem.

The irony of fans getting mad at ownership for dictating what a GM does, while also getting mad when that same GM doesn’t do what they want him to do, is almost too rich for words.

I mean, if the Leafs aren’t going to rebuild because the fans wouldn’t tolerate it, then they might as well put a poll up on Leafs.com right before they are about to make any and every transaction.

What’s the worst thing that would even happen should the Leafs ever decide to just tear it all down and literally start from scratch with top draft picks? The fans stop coming? If the above stats didn’t convince you that fans would clearly not stop coming, then nothing will.

What’s the other drawback? Fan backlash? The only reason fans have been so pissed off over the last few years is because the Leafs repeatedly stated that they won’t rebuild traditionally, yet were doing terribly regardless. They brought the pressure on themselves. Whether you agree or not with that isn’t the point, the point is that the average fan got genuinely excited when Burke came to town and appeared ready to turn the franchise around right away, then didn’t. It’s the comment I personally receive most from most people, that he “hyped everyone up, then didn’t produce ****. “

If someone in charge of the Leafs frankly states, “This is going to be a slow rebuild, but we will use the draft to accumulate elite talent over a few years and then rise,” are there fans that will seriously be mad throughout those seasons? Frustrated, no doubt; it sucks watching your team lose. But when a guy is clear with you about the direction he’s taking, and you begin to see elite players in the system coming up – I haven’t spoken with one Leafs fan in three months who isn’t tickled pink about Morgan Rielly – then what is anyone seriously going to get mad about? Yeah, Leafs fans are extremely passionate, but if it’s laid out for them like that and it’s easy to see the actual plan coming together, only the special kind of Leafs fans would actually be mad about that.

The Leafs have come to a point, as a team, where they are one of the punch-lines of the league. It is sad, but it is true. They are right up there with the Islanders and Blue Jackets, and man does it pain me to say that. While I do personally believe they are somewhat on the rise – especially if they get a certain goalie – there actually isn’t much further they could have sunk in the past few years.

Yet here we are, even after another ridiculous lockout, clamouring for them.

So let’s not turn this into a “THIS is why the Leafs never win, because fans always come!” debate, or even discuss whether the Leafs should just completely tear it down and rebuild right this second (that wouldn’t make sense at this point). This isn’t even really a discussion on the state of the current team; it’s purely about whether the Leafs could do a slow rebuild in Toronto.

Let’s also not pretend we would stop watching if the Leafs tanked, or if we actually did stop watching for a bit because they sucked, that we would not return after they’ve accumulated more than a few elite young talents and started morphing into a Cup contender ala Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc.

Let’s call this exactly the two things that it is: One: the fans can clearly be patient enough for a rebuild, and two: whoever is in charge of the team has to do whatever he thinks is best for the team regardless of what the fans believe, the Leafs winning (eventually) is what is most important.

The Leafs most likely aren’t going to rebuild anytime soon, so all of this is generally speaking moot. That said, it’s time to stop listening to the dribble that says “Toronto would neither tolerate, nor have the patience for, a true rebuild.” That’s just not true.

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  • Mattmark

     True.  And Forsberg won the Cup for which city, in the end?

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  • hometeem

    screw em,not like he didnt tellem

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    He didn’t claim it.  He stated a fact.  

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  • djamon

    Exactly. Over and over he said it.

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  • Mattmark

    They thought they could talk him round.  How would it have looked to their fans if they’d wimped out?

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  • Black_Hawk

    Thats not managements fault though, Forsberg would have won the cup in quebec if  the francise was in better shape

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  • djamon

    So the inference would be that it doesn’t matter what the Leafs, or any other organization do. Any success we have will be the result of luck.

    That’s comforting.

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  • hometeem

    i woulda don the same thing both sides did

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  • djamon

    Better than it actually ended up with them trading him to 2 different teams and needing an arbitrator to figure things out?

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  • djamon

    Only if they had traded for Patrick…otherwise not a chance.

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  • thed00r

    wait what if crosby said he wanted only wanted to play in canada and if  team drafted him he would not play for them. would tht team not draft him? a supposed generational talent pick and trade down. now a lot of that draft has performed well but no where near the same 

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  • Mattmark

    You keep trying to draw this implication from Burke’s comment, but it doesn’t follow logically.  You’re behaving more like a politician who deliberately misunderstands an opponent on the basis of one injudicious remark than someone who’s genuinely interested in discovering the truth about the matter.

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  • hometeem

    u should maybe reread, i said i would do the same if i were the management or lindros

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  • Jay_Berg

    I find it hard to believe any player would decide what team to play for primarily based on who the GM is. Money, winning franchise, location, etc are all things that have to be way ahead on the list.

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  • hometeem

    some people like headlines

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  • thed00r

    do you really believe that should be allowed for an 18 yr old player of a league that introduces 98% of their players through a draft. 

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  • Skar

     Because it was.

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  • Mattmark

    It was a disaster all around.  But if you want to look at ‘luck’ in a general way, how would you like to have been a Nordiques fan for years and years, only to see ‘your team’ win a Cup for Colorado?  What investment did fans in Colorado ever make to deserve that reward, compared with fans in Quebec?

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Every team that’s currently successful had a stroke of good luck at some point – save for maybe Nashville and Vancouver.  Obviously you can still competently manage your franchise, and slowly improve, but all the team’s that have taken that next step, did so on the back of luck.

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  • thed00r

    sorry i only read screw them not like he did not tell them. sounded like you ment to bad for them

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  • Skar

     Thick.

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  • Mattmark

    I believe Lindros wanted endorsements.  He didn’t think the Quebec market was big enough for him.

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    You might change your mind if you worked under an incompetent GM for a while though. Murray is truly awful.

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  • djamon

    The truth of the matter, taken from both his words and actions, is that Brian Burke does not believe in what Pittsburgh accomplished. He said it in that Press Conference, and then he showed it by refusing to follow their model. That’s pretty logical to me.

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  • Skar

     Luck is not something usually equated with the Maple Leaf organization. Seriously.

    But I believe in the law of averages and EVENTUALLY we will be rewarded.

    I’m 4th gen Leaf fan and the least rewarded…I will have my day. Amen.

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