Leafs fans have the patience for a “true rebuild”

by on January 13, 2013 in 2012-13 Season - 873 Comments

Leafs fans have the patience for a “true rebuild”
Dave Nonis, GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs
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Former NFL coach Buddy Ryan once famously said, ‘If you listen to the fans, you’ll be sitting up there with them.’

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, it means that, as a GM or coach of a pro franchise, your job is to do what is best for the team regardless of what the fans believe. Thus, when a person is commenting on the Leafs and says, “Toronto isn’t patient enough to let the Leafs rebuild,” I can’t help but wonder what the hell they are talking about, and why it would even matter.

Let’s start with the facts, which suggest this isn’t even true to begin with.

The Leafs have sucked, or at best been mediocre on the whole, since the lockout of 2004-05 passed (side note, having to distinguish between lockouts now is absolutely embarrassing; thanks, NHL). Yet what do you see when you watch, or go to, Leafs games? Fans. Has merchandise magically stopped selling in Leafs-land? No. Have people stopped tuning into HNIC to watch the Leafs? Not that I’m aware of (frankly, I wouldn’t mind if people did, because then CBC wouldn’t assign their “number one” announcer Jim Hughson to announce Leafs games).

Here are some figures courtesy of Forbes to consider. The Leafs average ticket price is $120, the next highest is $96 (Habs). Even with that obscenely high ticket price, and lacklustre play, the Leafs rank fifth in average attendance according to ESPN , and the only reason they aren’t higher is because they don’t have as many seats to sell as the teams ahead of them. In terms of percentage of the arena filled, the Leafs rank third, behind only Philadelphia and Chicago, who are pretty well perennial contenders.

The Leafs also, according to Forbes, are the highest revenue grossing team at $200M. The next four teams are the Rangers, Canadiens, Canucks and Bruins. All four of those teams have gone to at least the Conference Finals within the last three seasons. Whereas the Leafs, in the last seven seasons, have finished accordingly: 18th, 18th, 24th, 24th, 29th, 22nd, and 26th.

Standings wise, the Leafs have more or less been trending toward a rebuild. The irony, of course, is that they’ve been conducting business as if they are doing anything but.

Don’t forget, either, that Forbes recently reported that the Leafs are the NHL’s first billion dollar franchise.

So those are facts. They basically read that the Leafs are as profitable ever, fill their arena as much as they ever have, and have sucked throughout the process.

Now for the second part of the equation, which is, actually listening to the fans versus doing what is best for the team.

The bottom line reads that, if any franchise is listening to their fans compared to the guys that they give millions of dollars to to make decisions, then there is a problem.

The irony of fans getting mad at ownership for dictating what a GM does, while also getting mad when that same GM doesn’t do what they want him to do, is almost too rich for words.

I mean, if the Leafs aren’t going to rebuild because the fans wouldn’t tolerate it, then they might as well put a poll up on Leafs.com right before they are about to make any and every transaction.

What’s the worst thing that would even happen should the Leafs ever decide to just tear it all down and literally start from scratch with top draft picks? The fans stop coming? If the above stats didn’t convince you that fans would clearly not stop coming, then nothing will.

What’s the other drawback? Fan backlash? The only reason fans have been so pissed off over the last few years is because the Leafs repeatedly stated that they won’t rebuild traditionally, yet were doing terribly regardless. They brought the pressure on themselves. Whether you agree or not with that isn’t the point, the point is that the average fan got genuinely excited when Burke came to town and appeared ready to turn the franchise around right away, then didn’t. It’s the comment I personally receive most from most people, that he “hyped everyone up, then didn’t produce ****. “

If someone in charge of the Leafs frankly states, “This is going to be a slow rebuild, but we will use the draft to accumulate elite talent over a few years and then rise,” are there fans that will seriously be mad throughout those seasons? Frustrated, no doubt; it sucks watching your team lose. But when a guy is clear with you about the direction he’s taking, and you begin to see elite players in the system coming up – I haven’t spoken with one Leafs fan in three months who isn’t tickled pink about Morgan Rielly – then what is anyone seriously going to get mad about? Yeah, Leafs fans are extremely passionate, but if it’s laid out for them like that and it’s easy to see the actual plan coming together, only the special kind of Leafs fans would actually be mad about that.

The Leafs have come to a point, as a team, where they are one of the punch-lines of the league. It is sad, but it is true. They are right up there with the Islanders and Blue Jackets, and man does it pain me to say that. While I do personally believe they are somewhat on the rise – especially if they get a certain goalie – there actually isn’t much further they could have sunk in the past few years.

Yet here we are, even after another ridiculous lockout, clamouring for them.

So let’s not turn this into a “THIS is why the Leafs never win, because fans always come!” debate, or even discuss whether the Leafs should just completely tear it down and rebuild right this second (that wouldn’t make sense at this point). This isn’t even really a discussion on the state of the current team; it’s purely about whether the Leafs could do a slow rebuild in Toronto.

Let’s also not pretend we would stop watching if the Leafs tanked, or if we actually did stop watching for a bit because they sucked, that we would not return after they’ve accumulated more than a few elite young talents and started morphing into a Cup contender ala Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc.

Let’s call this exactly the two things that it is: One: the fans can clearly be patient enough for a rebuild, and two: whoever is in charge of the team has to do whatever he thinks is best for the team regardless of what the fans believe, the Leafs winning (eventually) is what is most important.

The Leafs most likely aren’t going to rebuild anytime soon, so all of this is generally speaking moot. That said, it’s time to stop listening to the dribble that says “Toronto would neither tolerate, nor have the patience for, a true rebuild.” That’s just not true.

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  • Burtonboy

    Craig Custance ‏@CraigCustance
    Joe Nieuwendyk said the crowd at the Stars practice facility today was as big as he’s ever seen it. “There’s a buzz. There’s a real buzz.”

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  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glenn%20Healy TuckerThomas

    Bettman is a genius?  He’ll be considering expanding into Mexico now.

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  • Whalz

    they were teammates in edm…………….macintyre would be a perfect 13th forward against teams like Bos, Ott, Philly,

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  • Brad

    hockeydb says he play D. does he play both positions>?

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  • Whalz

    yup

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  • Optimustic

    Didn’t know they played together with the Oilers.  Neil in Ottawa will have to keep his head up too,  No more free passes here.

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  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glenn%20Healy TuckerThomas

    Hell no.  The guy is still learning how to skate.  He’s supposed to be a d-man if that’s what you wanna call what he does.

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  • Jay_Berg

    Macintyre? Really? I’m all for increasing toughness but not for a useless plug

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  • Optimustic

    We have enough left swinging Err I mean shooting D.  He’ll be on left wing with the Leafs.  :-)

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  • BeLeafer29

    SOOO many Rumors so few trades!!!  Media Shmedia

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  • Optimustic

    I know what you mean, I was on board with that opinion until last season.  I sure don’t like being run over though either.

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  • The_Polish_Cannon

    Nonis must want to ensure his players are protected in this shortened season. Too much chance for injury for such a young small team

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  • The Shrike

    Macintyre vs. Cope

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  • Knights2Leafs

    Carlyle said in his interview you have to put your best youn players in the best position to succeed. Without naming Kadri, he pointed out that it silly to put such a player on the 4th line, that these type of players need to play on the top 6..  If he is true to his word, we may see little of Connolly and Lombardi.

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  • long_suffering_leaf_fan

     Stephen Burtch
    ‏@SteveBurtch

    Also interesting Kadri played in the middle with Komarov and Frattin – some familiarity there from the #Marlies

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  • Anthony Petrielli

    This is a good point, one I wasn’t sure how to address and figured would be touched on by someone in the comments section. 

    I do feel like the fan base would be a lot more lenient if they clearly knew the Leafs were doing a “traditional rebuild” though.

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  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glenn%20Healy TuckerThomas

    Or he’ll be handing him back to Dallas for top 6 mins with the Marlies.

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  • Anthony Petrielli

    Wasn’t a direct comment on Burke, and his decision not to rebuild the traditional way. Just a sentiment that the fans would accept it if it came to that. 

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  • Burtonboy

    Toronto Truculent ‏@TOTruculent
    They seem to have replaced Dion with a genetically engineered clone who can really, really talk.

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  • leafsinsix

    If in fact MacIntyre was claimed, he along with Orr, if he makes the team, will insulate the younger skill players against certain teams. Anyone who has played knows if you look down  the bench and see someone like that, it gives you more confidence. Doesn’t matter if it was minor hockey or the NHL. His presence is what gives him value, more than the 3 or 4 minutes he is on the ice. Always been that way, always will be that way.

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  • WendelGilmour

    I sure hope that’s the plan.

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  • Whalz

    carlye loves his tough players,,,,if SM was claimed he or ORR will prob be on the leafs,,,,,,,,especially if the likes of kadri, fratts and gards playing fulltime in the NHL……need to protect these skilled players

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  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Glenn%20Healy TuckerThomas

    MacIntyre is redundant considering how we ooze Pugnacity, Testosterone, Truculence and Belligerence.

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  • Loric76

    There’s a pill for that

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  • Yaknowwhat

    Your talking about the guys in Leafs ownership right?

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