Morning Mashup: Pondering the Big Questions

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Morning Mashup: Pondering the Big Questions
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On Wednesday, Wade Arnott, Phil Kessel’s agent, indicated his client’s apparent desire to spend the rest of career playing hockey for the Toronto Maple Leafs.  This, despite being disappointed in the club’s performance last season (I don’t even want to know what adjective he’d use to describe the two previous seasons in Toronto), and with little guarantee yet that this team is primed for long-term playoff success.

We’ll probably never know why the camera-shy Kessel wants to remain in a media-laden Toronto; Arnott seems to suggest it is an admirable inner desire to win in hockey’s mecca. Perhaps the better question is, what could it cost to keep him?

I took a quick look at Phil Kessel’s goal production for his time in Toronto, and he’s 11th in goal scoring league-wide with 101 goals (and a total of 212 points) from the 2008-2009 season to present.  And having plied his trade so effectively on a reasonable $5.4 million cap hit, he’s no doubt due for a raise either on or before July 1, 2014, when his current deal expires.

For some perspective, here are some useful take-aways from the above link:

  • Kessel has the fifth lowest salary of players in the top 20 in goal scoring over that time period, behind Anaheim’s Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan, Pittsburgh’s James Neal and the Islanders Matt Moulson (who, by the way, has got to be quietest three-time 30-goal scorer.
  • 8 of the 10 highest paid forwards in the league are in the top 20 goal scorers (Only Zach Parise, mostly due to injury; and Vinny Lecavalier, mostly due to awful, do not make that list), and all of those players carry $7.5 million + cap hits.
  • Of that same top 20, 12 of those players are currently on contracts that carry cap hits of at least $6.5 million per season, though even that number is deceptive.  Players like Jeff Carter and Ilya Kovalchuk are signed to long-term back-diving deals, while several players on the list (Kessel, Ryan, Neal and Carter again) are on RFA-age or “second contracts” and tend to be well below market value for marquee UFAs.

From what I can extrapolate from the above, the cost of Kessel’s loyalty should come in around or above $7.25 million a season on a five to eight year deal.  While my $2 million raise for Kessel might seem outlandish, far more reputable journalists than me have had similar thoughts.

Also compounding the issue is that Dion Phaneuf’s contract is up at the end of next season.  While he’s by no means the league’s top defenseman, I don’t suspect he’d be amenable to a deal for less than the $6.5 million he currently makes.  In a move similar to Minnesota, I could see Kessel and Phaneuf accepting identical long term deals a la Zach Parise and Ryan Suter.

An unfortunate difference is that Dave Nonis will not have the benefit of the old CBA, which allowed the Wild GM Craig Leipold to acquire the players at a significantly discounted cap hit.  Kessel and Phaneuf might not be Parise or Suter calibre, but timing might see them on similar cap hits.  But is it wise?

There’s nothing wrong with having two $7-million players on your team.  The question is, is it right if those players are Kessel and Phaneuf?  In doing so, you’d commit around 20% of the salary cap to two talented, but arguably incomplete players. Before signing off on such massive deals, Dave Nonis has to be thinking not just about whether both of these players make the team better now – unquestionably true – but if one or both are going to be the type of offensive leader and defensive leader, respectively, to take the team to a Stanley Cup victory. We may have a better handle on this question in another year’s time, but with the current time frame of the Leafs‘ theoretical path to contention, we won’t have a concrete answer before time comes to ink the paper.

Of course, the most difficult part when discussing the cost of keeping Kessel is that letting him go – either through free agency or trade – would be viewed as absolutely indefensible in many circles.

Given the cost that Brian Burke paid to ply Kessel from Boston in 2009, bringing Kessel in for a mere four to five potentially fruitless years would represent a total failure by the franchise to value and allocate resources towards meaningful on-ice product.  Also problematic would be the stigma surrounding any players acquired for Kessel, who would likely garner undue comparisons to Tyler Seguin or Dougie Hamilton, through no fault of their own.

As a means of sign-off, here’s a quote from my interview with Dave Poulin for the Annual; he gave me a gem regarding Mikhail Grabovski and Jordan Staal’s then-recent contracts that put’s Kessel’s agent’s words into better light:

I talked to another GM, and he said, “Don’t tell me I’ve signed a player to a bad contract.  If I have a player and I like him? I want to keep him.  Why do I want to go to the unknown? So, if I pay a premium to keep a player that I know – that I like – and that I know can play in this city, why do I want to go into an unknown market?”

Clearly, Wade is hoping that like is in the air.

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Jonas Siegel on the Leafs loss, some fun stuff on Grabovski, MacArthur and Fraser

Cam Charron snuck in some awesome statistical analysis inside a pre-gamer over at the Leafs Nation.

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  • dlb

    JVR-Kadri-Kessel
    Grabo-RoR-Kuli
    JVR-Colbourne-Lupul
    Leo-McC-Ashton

    lol

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  • dlb

    JFJr draft pick

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  • Mike_84

    No Leo the Lion on the 4th line

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  • dlb

     being penciled in to the 4th line doesn’t mean that’s the only line you play with
    you too soon forget the line mashing

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  • SDezy

    Yeah I’d hate to be Nonis come trade deadline.  At some point hes going to have to deal with all the defensemen who for the most part have played very well. 

    From our recent callups I say we keep Fraser and thats about it.

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  • Mike_84

    Randy does more line Macthing then Mashing

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  • Zeus_the_friendly_hobo

     Some people are shite magnets. Bad things just happen to them. Lupul has had injuries on and off now for 5 years, all different injuries.
    I dont blame Lupul, I think hes a great player and was abig fan of his before he came to us but when things are going against you and its clear when he is gone it hurts us so badly then maybe the top brass have other ideas.

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  • JVR

    I’d be perfectly happy with Rielly/Phaneuf next season, but for this season, I prefer Gunnarsson/Phaneuf.

    When Gunnar comes back, I want Komisarek bought out/waived and Kostka out of the lineup and kept as the 7th defencemen.

    That leaves only two right-handed shots on defence (Holzer/Franson) so moving Phaneuf back to the right-side makes sense.

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  • SDezy

     Still hate JFJr though… hahah

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  • Mike_84

    I wonder what happens to Kotska. Maybe NYI gives him a 3M deal lol

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  • BurkeDoingWork

    yes behind you on that one, he is exactly what we need on that bottom pair, really good fit for us. not a huge kostka fan and have been a underwhelmed by Holzer. 

    Nonis is really going to be in a tough spot, lots of questions that beg answers on this roster, something’s gotta give sooner or later

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  • SDezy

    Yeah I like Lupes too but with the emergence of JVR, I hate to see him go

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  • http://www.twitter.com/jmckelvie Gettin Rielled Up

    Hey guys look… it’s Frazer McLaren

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oSq8Z_Pp-fU/TZtPy1rrtfI/AAAAAAAAACM/13dkbbwmhaA/s1600/Sid+the+Sloth.jpg

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  • Leafs_17

    i forgot that! can’t believe he broke it from his own blue line in the second one

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  • SDezy

     lol, looks like he was missing the net well before he came to Toronto

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  • Zep2

    Carey Price has a code, boo fucking hoo. Go Flyers Go

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  • BringbackYushki

     I
    agree that the management are a group of idiots for allowing so many
    good players to walk. But I don’t believe this is that type of
    situation. O’Reilly will be solid, but never will he be 5M+ worthy.
    EVER. That type of money is reserved for 30+ goal scorers. He’s
    unwilling to earn his money. Which is why I’d give him the boot as well.
    Dutch is making 3.5M and showing this year why he deserves more.
    O’Reilly barely scored at all his first two seasons. His third year was
    good, but more like 3M-3.5M good. No way does he deserve 5M a year.
    Suddenly this “team first” guy isnt so team first. Quit being a whiny
    bitch, take 3.5M a year for two years and try earning your money. I
    wouldn’t want a greedy baby on my team either. Why would we give a one
    hit wonder 5M? What if his first two years are more like his true self?
    It’s bad enough Stastny makes like 6.6M. If the majority of his points
    were goals, ok. But almost all were assists, just because he got assists
    that doesnt mean he was the only person on the ice responsible for a
    goal being scored. Grow up Ryan . Interesting stuff from an AVS fan POV

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  • SDezy

    I love how he drilled Skinner last game.  What a beaut!

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  • Zeus_the_friendly_hobo

     No need to say goodbye to Lups but maybe a 2nd line wing role would be better. Easier to absorb an injury on the second line, always a young prospect who can fit in there rather than change a second line by moving up a winger and then add a youngster to the second. 1 injury = 2 line changes. Moving Lups to the second means an injury is a simple roster change and only one line having to change.

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  • Declan Kerin

    GDT: Toronto Maple Leafs vs Ottawa Senators (7pm, CBC)
    http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/02/16/gdt-toronto-maple-leafs-vs-ottawa-senators/

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  • Black_Hawk

    thanks

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