Morning Mashup: Pondering the Big Questions

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Morning Mashup: Pondering the Big Questions
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On Wednesday, Wade Arnott, Phil Kessel’s agent, indicated his client’s apparent desire to spend the rest of career playing hockey for the Toronto Maple Leafs.  This, despite being disappointed in the club’s performance last season (I don’t even want to know what adjective he’d use to describe the two previous seasons in Toronto), and with little guarantee yet that this team is primed for long-term playoff success.

We’ll probably never know why the camera-shy Kessel wants to remain in a media-laden Toronto; Arnott seems to suggest it is an admirable inner desire to win in hockey’s mecca. Perhaps the better question is, what could it cost to keep him?

I took a quick look at Phil Kessel’s goal production for his time in Toronto, and he’s 11th in goal scoring league-wide with 101 goals (and a total of 212 points) from the 2008-2009 season to present.  And having plied his trade so effectively on a reasonable $5.4 million cap hit, he’s no doubt due for a raise either on or before July 1, 2014, when his current deal expires.

For some perspective, here are some useful take-aways from the above link:

  • Kessel has the fifth lowest salary of players in the top 20 in goal scoring over that time period, behind Anaheim’s Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan, Pittsburgh’s James Neal and the Islanders Matt Moulson (who, by the way, has got to be quietest three-time 30-goal scorer.
  • 8 of the 10 highest paid forwards in the league are in the top 20 goal scorers (Only Zach Parise, mostly due to injury; and Vinny Lecavalier, mostly due to awful, do not make that list), and all of those players carry $7.5 million + cap hits.
  • Of that same top 20, 12 of those players are currently on contracts that carry cap hits of at least $6.5 million per season, though even that number is deceptive.  Players like Jeff Carter and Ilya Kovalchuk are signed to long-term back-diving deals, while several players on the list (Kessel, Ryan, Neal and Carter again) are on RFA-age or “second contracts” and tend to be well below market value for marquee UFAs.

From what I can extrapolate from the above, the cost of Kessel’s loyalty should come in around or above $7.25 million a season on a five to eight year deal.  While my $2 million raise for Kessel might seem outlandish, far more reputable journalists than me have had similar thoughts.

Also compounding the issue is that Dion Phaneuf’s contract is up at the end of next season.  While he’s by no means the league’s top defenseman, I don’t suspect he’d be amenable to a deal for less than the $6.5 million he currently makes.  In a move similar to Minnesota, I could see Kessel and Phaneuf accepting identical long term deals a la Zach Parise and Ryan Suter.

An unfortunate difference is that Dave Nonis will not have the benefit of the old CBA, which allowed the Wild GM Craig Leipold to acquire the players at a significantly discounted cap hit.  Kessel and Phaneuf might not be Parise or Suter calibre, but timing might see them on similar cap hits.  But is it wise?

There’s nothing wrong with having two $7-million players on your team.  The question is, is it right if those players are Kessel and Phaneuf?  In doing so, you’d commit around 20% of the salary cap to two talented, but arguably incomplete players. Before signing off on such massive deals, Dave Nonis has to be thinking not just about whether both of these players make the team better now – unquestionably true – but if one or both are going to be the type of offensive leader and defensive leader, respectively, to take the team to a Stanley Cup victory. We may have a better handle on this question in another year’s time, but with the current time frame of the Leafs‘ theoretical path to contention, we won’t have a concrete answer before time comes to ink the paper.

Of course, the most difficult part when discussing the cost of keeping Kessel is that letting him go – either through free agency or trade – would be viewed as absolutely indefensible in many circles.

Given the cost that Brian Burke paid to ply Kessel from Boston in 2009, bringing Kessel in for a mere four to five potentially fruitless years would represent a total failure by the franchise to value and allocate resources towards meaningful on-ice product.  Also problematic would be the stigma surrounding any players acquired for Kessel, who would likely garner undue comparisons to Tyler Seguin or Dougie Hamilton, through no fault of their own.

As a means of sign-off, here’s a quote from my interview with Dave Poulin for the Annual; he gave me a gem regarding Mikhail Grabovski and Jordan Staal’s then-recent contracts that put’s Kessel’s agent’s words into better light:

I talked to another GM, and he said, “Don’t tell me I’ve signed a player to a bad contract.  If I have a player and I like him? I want to keep him.  Why do I want to go to the unknown? So, if I pay a premium to keep a player that I know – that I like – and that I know can play in this city, why do I want to go into an unknown market?”

Clearly, Wade is hoping that like is in the air.

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Jonas Siegel on the Leafs loss, some fun stuff on Grabovski, MacArthur and Fraser

Cam Charron snuck in some awesome statistical analysis inside a pre-gamer over at the Leafs Nation.

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  • Uncle Otis

    I think for an “insane” package, they’d send him to a bloody division rival.
    I doubt the bidding gets goofy ,but a strong chance that Gunner/Joe/ third doesn’t do it relative to other bids.

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  • keon

    no, because she was a person

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  • Shift_Disturber

     Just saw a bit on the national. Said she was involved in campaigning against violence against women, then tragically becomes a victim herself.

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  • Mike_84

    for some reason i see the habs getting him. just a bad feeling i have.

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  • WendelGilmour

    2C, behind Naz.

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Fair enough, I’m just saying, I don’t think anyone is going to be throwing Gardiner’s around. It’s hilarious to me, for example, that TSN equates Buffalo’s equivalent of Gardiner to be Jake McCabe.

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  • Mike_84

    heres a question can you take the C away from someone. Like if ROR is all they say can you take the C from Dion.

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  • Uncle Otis

    Difference is the ROR saga flys under the radar.
    Colorado is still navel gazing over the Bronco’s upset and cheering the Nuggets strong play.
    If it was T.O….the GM would be bombarded daily with the same question,it would turn into a sideshow after every loss,and we wouldn’t have that driver seat luxury
    Fack, I sound like Cameron. ;)

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  • Zep2

    If Perry wants to play in TO he will sign in July. Trading Kessel for Perry is at best a slight upgrade. Next December we would all be bitching about not having a 1C to  get Perry going

    Being a maritimer and a long time Leaf fan ,Id finally like to see one of the MYTHICAL , OFTEN SPOKEN OFF, BUT NEVER SEEN,  good ontario boys who want to play for the Leafs

    It seems to be easier to get guys from Minnesota, Indiana and NJ to play in TO

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  • Whalz

    thats bc Jake Mccabe had a great WJC this yr.,,,,,,remember the hype of d’amigos 1st WJC? his 2nd he didnt play as good………..

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  • Mike_84

    woohoo 9K comments

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  • Whalz

    yup

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Sounds like you’re making sense, lol

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  • kostas

    @Mike_84:disqus 

    If he is a true ontario boy than he would have grown up hating the Habs ;)
    Which means he wouldn’t sign with them. Plus I agree with another poster on here… I think a Colborne + Gunnerson + mid pick should get it done. After seeing what Nash went for and how Gillis can’t find a trading partner for Luongo, I highly doubt Colorado will get anything close to there asking price

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  • http://www.hockey-nerd.com Cameron

    Yea, though he was injured.  That’s beside the point though.  McCabe had 5 or 6 good games at a tournament, and apparently that’s the same as putting up 30 points in 70 games and playing 22 minutes a night in the NHL. 

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  • djamon

    This got off track.

    Someone said it would basically be crazy to trade Kessel for Perry. All I said was that I didn’t think it was exactly crazy to trade Phil for a former MVP. It wasn’t any more than that…I’m not recommending it, nor do I think it’s even remotely likely.

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  • Uncle Otis

    Clearly your brainwashing is having an affect ;)

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  • Mike_84

    been saying that should be his price for a few days now. sadly its not up for us to decide.

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  • Uncle Otis

    Maybe they see a young Kirk Muller…would they trade Soupcan for him?

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  • Falcon

    Here is why I am hopeful Nonis will probably get it done at the right price if this is similar to the Kessel situation. I believe Kessel wanted to play in TO because of familiarity with BB and  probably Wilson who coached him.

    If this is a similar situation Nonis will get it done for the right return. If I am Nonis, I will informally settle the dollar figure and assure the agent that they will get an X dollars either this year or in the off-season and then negotiate not a steal but a decent deal with the Avs.

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  • Mike_84

    COL would like that contract

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  • Whalz

    lol yup

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  • Mike_84

    could always use more local boys. i’m hoping it can start a trend

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  • Uncle Otis

    Sure would..Avs might give back a little more too
    PK is not long for Montreal IMO

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  • Zep2

    Kessel for Perry would on paper appear to  be an improvement. But Kessel was a one man band in TO until Lupul arrived  and then was a ppg+ player until Lupul was injured

    Perry has never had to play in such an unsupported role.

    I would love to have Perry on the Leafs, preferably skating alongside kessel 

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