Morning Mashup: Pondering the Big Questions

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Morning Mashup: Pondering the Big Questions
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On Wednesday, Wade Arnott, Phil Kessel’s agent, indicated his client’s apparent desire to spend the rest of career playing hockey for the Toronto Maple Leafs.  This, despite being disappointed in the club’s performance last season (I don’t even want to know what adjective he’d use to describe the two previous seasons in Toronto), and with little guarantee yet that this team is primed for long-term playoff success.

We’ll probably never know why the camera-shy Kessel wants to remain in a media-laden Toronto; Arnott seems to suggest it is an admirable inner desire to win in hockey’s mecca. Perhaps the better question is, what could it cost to keep him?

I took a quick look at Phil Kessel’s goal production for his time in Toronto, and he’s 11th in goal scoring league-wide with 101 goals (and a total of 212 points) from the 2008-2009 season to present.  And having plied his trade so effectively on a reasonable $5.4 million cap hit, he’s no doubt due for a raise either on or before July 1, 2014, when his current deal expires.

For some perspective, here are some useful take-aways from the above link:

  • Kessel has the fifth lowest salary of players in the top 20 in goal scoring over that time period, behind Anaheim’s Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan, Pittsburgh’s James Neal and the Islanders Matt Moulson (who, by the way, has got to be quietest three-time 30-goal scorer.
  • 8 of the 10 highest paid forwards in the league are in the top 20 goal scorers (Only Zach Parise, mostly due to injury; and Vinny Lecavalier, mostly due to awful, do not make that list), and all of those players carry $7.5 million + cap hits.
  • Of that same top 20, 12 of those players are currently on contracts that carry cap hits of at least $6.5 million per season, though even that number is deceptive.  Players like Jeff Carter and Ilya Kovalchuk are signed to long-term back-diving deals, while several players on the list (Kessel, Ryan, Neal and Carter again) are on RFA-age or “second contracts” and tend to be well below market value for marquee UFAs.

From what I can extrapolate from the above, the cost of Kessel’s loyalty should come in around or above $7.25 million a season on a five to eight year deal.  While my $2 million raise for Kessel might seem outlandish, far more reputable journalists than me have had similar thoughts.

Also compounding the issue is that Dion Phaneuf’s contract is up at the end of next season.  While he’s by no means the league’s top defenseman, I don’t suspect he’d be amenable to a deal for less than the $6.5 million he currently makes.  In a move similar to Minnesota, I could see Kessel and Phaneuf accepting identical long term deals a la Zach Parise and Ryan Suter.

An unfortunate difference is that Dave Nonis will not have the benefit of the old CBA, which allowed the Wild GM Craig Leipold to acquire the players at a significantly discounted cap hit.  Kessel and Phaneuf might not be Parise or Suter calibre, but timing might see them on similar cap hits.  But is it wise?

There’s nothing wrong with having two $7-million players on your team.  The question is, is it right if those players are Kessel and Phaneuf?  In doing so, you’d commit around 20% of the salary cap to two talented, but arguably incomplete players. Before signing off on such massive deals, Dave Nonis has to be thinking not just about whether both of these players make the team better now – unquestionably true – but if one or both are going to be the type of offensive leader and defensive leader, respectively, to take the team to a Stanley Cup victory. We may have a better handle on this question in another year’s time, but with the current time frame of the Leafs‘ theoretical path to contention, we won’t have a concrete answer before time comes to ink the paper.

Of course, the most difficult part when discussing the cost of keeping Kessel is that letting him go – either through free agency or trade – would be viewed as absolutely indefensible in many circles.

Given the cost that Brian Burke paid to ply Kessel from Boston in 2009, bringing Kessel in for a mere four to five potentially fruitless years would represent a total failure by the franchise to value and allocate resources towards meaningful on-ice product.  Also problematic would be the stigma surrounding any players acquired for Kessel, who would likely garner undue comparisons to Tyler Seguin or Dougie Hamilton, through no fault of their own.

As a means of sign-off, here’s a quote from my interview with Dave Poulin for the Annual; he gave me a gem regarding Mikhail Grabovski and Jordan Staal’s then-recent contracts that put’s Kessel’s agent’s words into better light:

I talked to another GM, and he said, “Don’t tell me I’ve signed a player to a bad contract.  If I have a player and I like him? I want to keep him.  Why do I want to go to the unknown? So, if I pay a premium to keep a player that I know – that I like – and that I know can play in this city, why do I want to go into an unknown market?”

Clearly, Wade is hoping that like is in the air.

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Friday Morning Links…

Alec’s game in 10.  Sad trombone

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Jonas Siegel on the Leafs loss, some fun stuff on Grabovski, MacArthur and Fraser

Cam Charron snuck in some awesome statistical analysis inside a pre-gamer over at the Leafs Nation.

Hey, a highlight from last night’s game!

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  • Shift_Disturber

     Hmmmmmmmmm…….. I don’t know who I want to win that one. It would be nice to keep Philly back. Awwww…..who am I kidding Go Philly!!

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  • wiski

    LOL you got that right, hab fans keeping a low profile at work since last Saturdays beat down ;)

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  • Shift_Disturber

     Perfect. Let’s keep it that way. LOL

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  • wiski

    Well SD I have to start locking up and head home catch you later if your still on. cheers

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  • Kouba

    Don Brennan is funny guy. How many people visiting ACC pay the price to see Senaturd Karlsson? Serious competition for Down Goes Brown.I guess Panthers will sue Cooke for bringing their low attendance even lower. Jesus.

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  • Bob’s your uncle

    @FarhanLaljiTSN: You noticed that too? RT @blakeprice1040: Kesler’s head snap is in mid season form… #canucks

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  • Dangle_My_Berries

    people pay to watch Karlsson???

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  • Kouba

    Uncle Otis posted it:

    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Ottawa/2013/02/14/20580586.html

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  • keon

    Just more tickets for Leaf fans to buy

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  • Mind Bomb

    Good morning Folks
     

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  • Burtonboy

    Morning MB …… Is ROR a Leaf yet lol

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  • Mind Bomb

      Lol , I heard Ensign was emailing his agent, Apparently Ensign is the president of the ROR fan club, I though it was nice of Ensign, but the Pom Poms, were a little much :)

    Seriously though I have been thinking a lot about that. Now its true we have one 2 many centers, but when talent like that becomes availible we should make a move. We can do another trade for balance but a 20 year old that projects that well, be a shame to say pass on that.

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  • keon

    what do you think it will take to get him, player wise?

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  • Burtonboy

    O’Rielly would be a very nice piece to add for sure . Question is what will the cost be . IMO if any one of Kadri,Gardiner or Rielly are part of the deal its definite no go for me. Ave’s fans are saying their biggest need is for a top 4 PMD.  Well they can forget getting Gardiner from my perspective anyway

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  • Mind Bomb

      I have been thinking about that as well, And we are competing with other teams, like it or not its a bidding war. Now With Gunnar’s hip, and him saying its a maintenance thing and he wont be 100 percent this year I doubt they would want him. But the Way Franson has been playing there is the Roster player they need, a young D with upside that can already play good minutes in the NHL. I am not sure they will want Colburne, An older Center Project hmm.

    Now Colorado, projects a top six of , Duschene, Stastney, Langdeskog, Paranteau, Downie and Jones. I dont See Mac as a Fit really long term.


     Bozak as a 3 C, cant see it as John Mitchel is playing excelent hockey for them he has 4 goal, 3 ass, and is a PLus 7 as their 3C at only a Mil. So Bozak is a no, Colorado has no money, why pay Bozie over 2 for the same job.

     So the Package would start with Franson, now the Prospect, again its Tough, Kadri  Gardiner and Frattin project higher or the same as ROR. I am not sure they would want Colburne, after that what do we have. ?

    My Offer would start with Franson, Colburne and a 2nd, and see what they came back with, Maybe they would have interest in Biggs, or Finn, or percy.

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  • Mind Bomb

     No way Kadri, Reilly, Gardiner go, Thats latteral and we dont need to make that trade, see below :)

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  • Zep2

    Gardiner, Rielly , Franson , Liles all could fit that description  I dont see Leafs trading 1st 2,  Liles is probably to expensive. That leaves Franson. Id hate lolse him, his upside is considerable

    Gunner , mac , Blacker  would be a fair offer

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  • Burtonboy

    Yeah just read it . I would include Fratts as well simply because the chemistry between him and Kadri is going to be special IMO. Its going to be fascinating to see what the Avs get for him . Not sure I see the Leafs being a player in this shindig to be honest

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  • Burtonboy

    Highly unlikely that gets it done but we will see .

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  • Lonsmos2

    Melnyk is always a dick in anything he says soooo cliche he’s a joke

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  • Steele123

    Or we can not buy high on a guy whose career high is 55pts….and has only broken the 50pt barrier once…

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  • Dangle_My_Berries

    attendance down across the league…..I really doubt people are gonna get up and demand tickets to a sens game cause Karlsson is playing…heck ….sens fans dont even demand those tickets in their own barn

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  • Zep2

    the point I do agree with is that after 5 suspensions maybe a player should be done

    If you have 5 DUI charges against you , its quite likely that you’re driving days are over.

    And the 5 suspensions doesnt even include Savard hit

    Ive said it before, and ill say it again. Lemieux by having that piece of shit on his team is a HYPOCRITE  and he puts Malkin and Crosby at risk for it.

    Payback is a bitch

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  • Burtonboy

    Listening to Gardiner’s interview yesterday you can see this guy is just chomping at the bit to get back to the Leafs. Would not be at all surprised to see him play really well just like Frattin did after being recalled

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  • Mind Bomb

     Oh he is only 20 bro, sometimes there is smart investment. Losing Franson, shit Gardiner steps right in, Losing Colburne, that dont hurt, he is a project. Losing a Second, well trading Mac recoups that. SO for Basically no detriment to the club as a whole you add O Reilly. Who is a Tradeable asset. Flip him for a 2D, Hey Pheonix. ROR for Yandle  :)
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    Shit I would even add to that offer a little if I had to for Sure. I am getting the best player in the deal without really hampering our Future.


    BUt your Right, as soon as the Convo swings to Gardiner, Kadri, or Rielly than we are out !

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