Could the Leafs be concerned about Reimer’s workload?

Could the Leafs be concerned about Reimer’s workload?

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Between attempts to acquire Roberto Luongo, Miikka Kiprusoff, and now reportedly Jonathan Bernier, it just doesn’t feel like Leafs management is fully behind James Reimer being “the guy,” does it? Listen in here to Bob McKenzie on the TSN Insider podcast, as McKenzie calls the Leafs interest in Bernier legitimate, and says Leafs brass “like Reimer’s game but don’t love it.”

By now you all probably know Reimer’s numbers. He’s played over 100 games, has a career .915sv%, he played well in the playoffs, and just seems to have that temperament that is tailor fit to the Toronto market. There is one glaring issue with Reimer though, and that’s where the goalie hunt comes into play – he hasn’t been able to stay healthy.

When you boil the Bernier interest down, Reimer’s health has to be the main concern for Leafs management here. Since playing junior, Reimer has played over 60 games once and that was during the 2006-07 season. This season Reimer got hurt, last season Reimer got hurt, and the season before that he played a combined 52 games.

So, it seems pretty clear that the Leafs don’t necessarily question his ability to be the guy, but they might question whether he can stay healthy and take on the true starter’s workload that goes along with it. It’s a legitimate concern if you’re Leafs management.

Within that line of thinking, the question then becomes whether or not Bernier is better than Scrivens, and if he is, is it a big enough difference to be worth giving up assets?

Bernier is turning 25 this year and was drafted 11th overall back in 2006. He’s played 115 AHL games putting up a .927sv% and a 2.19GAA, as well as 62 NHL games with a .912sv% and 2.36GAA.

Conversely, Scrivens is turning 27 this year and was an undrafted free agent. He has 94 AHL games under his belt with a .923sv% and 2.18GAA along with 32 games on NHL experience at a .910sv% and 2.86GAA.

Stats aside, Scrivens is bigger than Bernier and also under contract for next year, whereas Bernier will need a new deal.

Anytime Nonis has spoken since the playoffs ended, he has discussed that the team is looking to improve. If they believe Bernier is better than Scrivens – even though the stats are close — then that fits the bill with what he is preaching. Even if they do think Reimer is the real deal, there’s just no way they can go into next season not prepared for a potential Reimer injury.

And that has to be the debate going on within Leafs management right now: Should they keep Scrivens as their 1B, content to have him take the reigns if Reimer goes down, or should they bring in Bernier?

If they do bring in Bernier, Bob McKenzie has said a few times now that the likely cost would be some sort of pick/prospect plus Matt Frattin.

Although I like Frattin and think he’s a good player, losing him isn’t a huge loss especially if Bernier comes in and provides the excellent goaltending he is capable of providing. The unknown pick/prospect aside (which could be significant), you also have to take into account that if the Leafs trade away Frattin they have also lost Leo Komarov to the KHL and Clarke MacArthur is a pending UFA. None of those players played a high-end role on the Leafs, but each were valuable depth contributors that moved up and down the line-up and chipped in some offense.

If the Leafs were to lose all three of those depth players, they would be looking at a bottom six of Jay McClement, Colton Orr, and maybe Nik Kulemin right now, along with some potential Marlies candidates including Joe Colborne. Basically, Nonis would be creating more holes that need to be filled in order to facilitate a position that was, for all intents and purposes, one of their strongest last year.

Plus, Nonis would have to trade Scrivens afterward.

Considering the Leafs have substantially bigger issues at center and defense, it’s a little strange that goalie might be the position the Leafs make noise with first. For all we know they aren’t really interested in Bernier and reporters want those page views, but as Alec said yesterday, we thought the same thing when the Kiprusoff rumours started appearing.

It is a little curious that Nonis would be willing to trade for an unproven goalie considering he did this before in Vancouver to dismal results. Nonis traded a second round pick to Buffalo in exchange for a different young goalie with potential who was drafted in the first round, Mika Noronen. Noronen played four games for Vancouver and got shelled, Nonis decided enough was enough and acquired Luongo that summer, and Noronen stated he didn’t want to be an NHL backup and signed in Russia.

They are different situations, no doubt, but considering the Leafs are in pretty good shape in net at a cheap price, you would figure Nonis has bigger fish to fry.

UPDATE: Jonathan Bernier traded to Leafs

434 comments
LeafErikson
LeafErikson

I'm definitely not a fan of wasting assets on "upgrading" a position that really doesn't need it.

unclejakescards
unclejakescards

so, if nhl did dissolve coyotes and had a dispersal draft , would they transfer the cap space throught the reat of league ???hmmmmmm thoughts for a friday i guess

unclejakescards
unclejakescards

mornin girlies , something that could throw a wrench in any teams plans ....... another draft ........ coyotes dispersal draft ... lolol

LeDink
LeDink

Are the GM's still meeting?

DInkmeister
DInkmeister

 @Loric76 I don't think so, think he will sign a lot cheaper and he is better, but its just a thought

Los Dink
Los Dink

What about Briere for 2 years? Can we stand it?

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

Morning Folks . With all the action happening in a short period of time the one that fascinates me the most is the buyouts. Lots of GM's are saying they are not considering using them but that's just posturing IMO. Gonna be some surprises and maybe even the Leafs will surprise us as well.

mcloki
mcloki

RealKyper

Hearing Glendale council will not approve 15M cash demand by RSE group 2 manage #Coyotes arena. RSE asked for 15M to help secure #125M loan.


Oh I love this saga. It's the story that keeps on giving.

mcloki
mcloki

Morning MB. Gentlemen. Hopefully things start to heat up trade wise. there's practically a week left till Draft and Free Agency. 

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

Good morning Folks, welcome to Friday !!!!!!!!!!

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

"A source close to the Flames said they are taking calls on Mike Cammalleri. He has one year left at $7 million, with a cap hit of $6 million. GM Feaster is also on the lookout for first or second line center, a top-six winger, a gritty forward and a top-four denseman. The Flames are said to be willing to listen to calls on Alex Tanguay, Cory Sarich and Lee Stempniak. The Senators, Sabres, Stars and Predators are looking for a top-six forward."

So many layers of hilarity to all this.  If Flames looking for top 6 forward, why are they looking to trade Cammaleri/Tanguay to teams looking for a top 6 forward?  As far as I can see, the Flames are going to be icing an AHL team next year. Their top goalie, Kipper, is 36 yrs old looking to retire and should b/c he had a 882 save percent.  Second on the depth chart is Joey MacDonald.  Yeeesh

Dink
Dink

@theacs1966 everyone knows this franchise is not worth saving ...c'mon Bettman

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@Burtonboy 

Timmy L is the wildcard.

Sounds likes Burkie -lite and will push Nonis to be aggressive me thinks.

As long as we aren't making moves for the sake of,and using our capital to full effect,it could help fill in several missing pieces.

Here's hoping.

mcloki
mcloki

@Burtonboy I agree BB. The Last lockout should prove to people that the teams that did use the buyouts given were better off. And getting someone else to pay for your mistake is the way to go.

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@mcloki  Morning MC, and it will Fly by for me, I took Vacation next week so naturally the Week will fly by and Be Draft Day for me in Record Time lol


Cameron19
Cameron19

@MaxwellHowe I think they want to get dramatically younger, is all.  They'd probably take less talented names to both ensure a bottom 5 finish, and generally get younger. 

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

When they move that fuckin team to QC 

mcloki
mcloki

@unclejakescards And the best part is that the league would actually gain revenue with the dissolution of Phoenix.

mcloki
mcloki

@Uncle Otis @Burtonboy That he is. Well, he better be seen as trying to improve the LEafs cause nobody cares about the Raps and TFC

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@mcloki @Burtonboy I'm not sure buying out someone's mistake is what will happen here. The reduction in cap  might drive many teams like the Leafs into using their buyouts themselves. We'll know soon enough but I keep thinking about what Nonis, Poulin and Loiselle have been saying. Cap space will be critical in the next couple of yrs 

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

@-Keon- 

Gotta pick your linemates better,or upgrade your defense. ;)

mcloki
mcloki

@-Keon- But with Herpes at least getting them was fun. Here I have to watch Phoenix.

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe  What we should have done when JFJ took over, actually quite smart of calgary. They Say they are looking for a Top six Forward. Hey Joey Crab played with Ovi, there it is !!

lol


MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Cameron19 @MaxwellHowe Ah. yes. Apparently this is the Albertan rceipt for sure success. Get high picks, have a disjointed young team and live in perpetual promise of the dominance to come.

mcloki
mcloki

The Islanders are an embarrassing joke. I feel sorry for Tavares.

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@mcloki @Mind Bomb  Oh I will be around, on going fishing for this weekend after that it Lounging around the House :)

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@Great Dane @mcloki They let most of the young talent rot in baclwaters.  God damn overexpansion and NHL draft.  Nash stuck in Columbus for years, Weber in Nashville, Huberdeau now in Florida, Stamkos in TB, Yandle and Ekamn-Larsson in PHX, Eric Staal in carolina, Kariya for the whole time he was good in Anaheim - on and on and on and on.

Great Dane
Great Dane

@mcloki For the entire NHL it is a waste to have Tavares in NYI.

Just imagine that he would do for the promotion of the game with the Leafs.

NHL needs its superstars to shine - not rot away on Long Island. 

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@mcloki Imagine, he spent those years practising his trade, refining his hockey skills, and even now works his ass completely off, so he can play in the worse stadium, for the fewest fans, wearing a crappy uniform on a team which strives to reach the cap floor, about to move into a stadium only slightly less crappy.  We should put his face on milk cartons or something.

mcloki
mcloki

I know I saw it yesterday on capgeek. That's why I want Tavares out of the Island so bad.

MaxwellHowe
MaxwellHowe

@mcloki Serious? That must be one of the best contracts in the NHL, from a GM perspective.  A steal.  He makes as much as Grabbo?!!  His agent should perform some act of ritual suicide.

mcloki
mcloki

2019 until then Tavres gets 5.5 mil a year. I shit you not.

mcloki
mcloki

The puck is going to get shot into the crowd and people are going to get hit in the back of the head.

Burtonboy
Burtonboy

@mcloki It was never built for hockey . It was designed for basketball.

mcloki
mcloki

It's like the architects hated hockey fans. Yup it another Wang Up. You did the Wang thing.