Could the Leafs be concerned about Reimer’s workload?

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Between attempts to acquire Roberto Luongo, Miikka Kiprusoff, and now reportedly Jonathan Bernier, it just doesn’t feel like Leafs management is fully behind James Reimer being “the guy,” does it? Listen in here to Bob McKenzie on the TSN Insider podcast, as McKenzie calls the Leafs interest in Bernier legitimate, and says Leafs brass “like Reimer’s game but don’t love it.”

By now you all probably know Reimer’s numbers. He’s played over 100 games, has a career .915sv%, he played well in the playoffs, and just seems to have that temperament that is tailor fit to the Toronto market. There is one glaring issue with Reimer though, and that’s where the goalie hunt comes into play – he hasn’t been able to stay healthy.

When you boil the Bernier interest down, Reimer’s health has to be the main concern for Leafs management here. Since playing junior, Reimer has played over 60 games once and that was during the 2006-07 season. This season Reimer got hurt, last season Reimer got hurt, and the season before that he played a combined 52 games.

So, it seems pretty clear that the Leafs don’t necessarily question his ability to be the guy, but they might question whether he can stay healthy and take on the true starter’s workload that goes along with it. It’s a legitimate concern if you’re Leafs management.

Within that line of thinking, the question then becomes whether or not Bernier is better than Scrivens, and if he is, is it a big enough difference to be worth giving up assets?

Bernier is turning 25 this year and was drafted 11th overall back in 2006. He’s played 115 AHL games putting up a .927sv% and a 2.19GAA, as well as 62 NHL games with a .912sv% and 2.36GAA.

Conversely, Scrivens is turning 27 this year and was an undrafted free agent. He has 94 AHL games under his belt with a .923sv% and 2.18GAA along with 32 games on NHL experience at a .910sv% and 2.86GAA.

Stats aside, Scrivens is bigger than Bernier and also under contract for next year, whereas Bernier will need a new deal.

Anytime Nonis has spoken since the playoffs ended, he has discussed that the team is looking to improve. If they believe Bernier is better than Scrivens – even though the stats are close — then that fits the bill with what he is preaching. Even if they do think Reimer is the real deal, there’s just no way they can go into next season not prepared for a potential Reimer injury.

And that has to be the debate going on within Leafs management right now: Should they keep Scrivens as their 1B, content to have him take the reigns if Reimer goes down, or should they bring in Bernier?

If they do bring in Bernier, Bob McKenzie has said a few times now that the likely cost would be some sort of pick/prospect plus Matt Frattin.

Although I like Frattin and think he’s a good player, losing him isn’t a huge loss especially if Bernier comes in and provides the excellent goaltending he is capable of providing. The unknown pick/prospect aside (which could be significant), you also have to take into account that if the Leafs trade away Frattin they have also lost Leo Komarov to the KHL and Clarke MacArthur is a pending UFA. None of those players played a high-end role on the Leafs, but each were valuable depth contributors that moved up and down the line-up and chipped in some offense.

If the Leafs were to lose all three of those depth players, they would be looking at a bottom six of Jay McClement, Colton Orr, and maybe Nik Kulemin right now, along with some potential Marlies candidates including Joe Colborne. Basically, Nonis would be creating more holes that need to be filled in order to facilitate a position that was, for all intents and purposes, one of their strongest last year.

Plus, Nonis would have to trade Scrivens afterward.

Considering the Leafs have substantially bigger issues at center and defense, it’s a little strange that goalie might be the position the Leafs make noise with first. For all we know they aren’t really interested in Bernier and reporters want those page views, but as Alec said yesterday, we thought the same thing when the Kiprusoff rumours started appearing.

It is a little curious that Nonis would be willing to trade for an unproven goalie considering he did this before in Vancouver to dismal results. Nonis traded a second round pick to Buffalo in exchange for a different young goalie with potential who was drafted in the first round, Mika Noronen. Noronen played four games for Vancouver and got shelled, Nonis decided enough was enough and acquired Luongo that summer, and Noronen stated he didn’t want to be an NHL backup and signed in Russia.

They are different situations, no doubt, but considering the Leafs are in pretty good shape in net at a cheap price, you would figure Nonis has bigger fish to fry.

UPDATE: Jonathan Bernier traded to Leafs

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

    McKenzie is pretty well the one insider I trust. Disappointing to hear the Leafs like Reimer’s game but don’t love it. Maybe it’s the injuries. But to me, that sounds like it’s something about his play.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      I doubt Bernier happens by the way, I think someone like EDM or PHI will forfeit more for Bernier than the Leafs ever would. However it’s disappointing to hear of the Reimer doubt. Silly Silly.
      Between this and the Orr re-signing, Nonis hasn’t exactly SOLD me yet.

      • 4evrblue

        @Clark17 Orr deserved a contract. Guy worked hard to get back into shape and make the club again. 
        As for Bernier, the only thing  that has this making any sense is James’ injury history. I say go get Bernier if thats what they feel is necessary

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

          4evrblue Unlike some I do believe there’s an argument to be made that Orr provides something to the lineup.
          However I would never base an argument for keeping a player around working hard. That’s a pretty low bar.

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

          4evrblue Unlike some I do believe there’s an argument to be made that Orr provides something to the lineup.
          However I would never base an argument for keeping a player around working hard. That’s a pretty low bar.

        • 4evrblue

          @Clark17 4evrblue It would be low bar if it resulted in failure but it didn’t

  • mcloki

    If Bernier does turn out to be a replacement for Scrivens as the rumours of him going to Edmonton suggest. Then I can see the transaction making sense. Eakins knows Scrivens. I’m sure Dallas Eakins is going to poach as much talent from Toronto as he can.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      mcloki Surely a cheap vet can be had from the FA pool without forfeiting assets. If Nonis feels the need to trade anything half significant for Bernier it’s because he wants someone who could potentially start. And the focus should not be on facepunchers and goaltending. It should be on improving the obvious areas of weakness on this  team.

      • mcloki

        @Clark17 mcloki I just can’think of an available name. Also I have to agree with Nonnis on his approach to picking players . Financially the Leafs can sign anyone since they have no money concerns. Waiting to see what gets shaken loose and then pouncing seems like a good plan. 
        As far as facepunchers go. They are set. Goalies. I like Riemer, but his injury situation and our backup situation do concern me.

      • 4evrblue

        @Clark17 mcloki Mike Smith, Dan Ellis and Nabokov still aren’t signed.

        • ProfessorRance

          4evrblue mcloki Smith or Nabokov won’t be cheap though.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          4evrblue mcloki Emery’s interesting too.

        • mcloki

          4evrblue mcloki You think we have a shot at Nabakov?

        • mcloki

          ingy56 4evrblue mcloki Would increase Hummer sales in TO. 😉

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki ingy56 4evrblue Both kinds

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/347832209924837377
    “The minimum salary a CHL player can earn during the 2012-13 season is $345/week.” Sweet. Goodbye journalism!

    • mcloki

      rustynail Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

    • 4evrblue

      rustynail whats the max?

    • dlb eh

      rustynail 
      pretend i fell down a well and was trapped until Timmy found me this morning…what’s this about?  did something change or is this what it’s been already?

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/DarrenDregerhttps://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/347835742615117824
    15 teams or more believed to have interest in Briere once he becomes a buyout UFA. Briere will want a 1-2 year deal. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TSN&src=hash

    • 4evrblue

      rustynail pass

    • Long Sufferin Leaf Fan

      rustynail would love to have Briere on this team but if 15 teams are interested it will be a shit show …

      • Cameron19

        Long Sufferin Leaf Fan rustynail 15 teams are interested in signing him at a discounted rate.

        • rustynail

          Cameron19 Long Sufferin Leaf Fan rustynail of course

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Long Sufferin Leaf Fan rustynail He’s probably only going to consider a couple though.

      • dlb eh

        Long Sufferin Leaf Fan rustynail 
        Brady and Lang…Lang said he’d take Briere…to replace Kulemin :S
        that was the last thing i heard from that station this week … better off driving with the radio off and the windows down so i could hear the traffic.  safer.  something.

  • Long Sufferin Leaf Fan

    when will this nonsense just go away? why in the fuck would we give up assets for a goalie who wants to be a number one, has shittier numbers than Reimer and has numbers similar to our current backup? and we would be giving up Frattin? fuck off

    • whalz

      whats wrong with you? scrivens wants to be a #1 goalie aswell and is an RFA next yr,,,,,,,The media and gms around the league are high on Bernier,,,,,
      reimer has benn great no question, but whos to say when his contract is up that he commands 4mil +? he had a great season last yr however it was a shortened season,,,,,,,,,,these 2 guys would push eachther as a 1a-1b tandem

  • whalz

    i dont get why most of you are concerned with losing frattin and maybe a 2nd rd pick for BERNIER,,,,,, he has alot of upside and will push Reimer, and ANTHONY, it wont be hard to replace a 3rd line winger if Fratts is dealt……

    • Anthony Petrielli

      @whalz It’s Frattin, MacArthur and Komarov at this point… As I noted.

      • newkb

        Anthony Petrielli One little concept at a time…..not 3.  Hahaha….

  • mike_84

    I’m fine with getting Bernier. As he has a higher ceiling then Reims(supposedly). I wouldn’t pay an are in a leg for him. If the deal makes sense you do it. I would think Scrivens would be traded right away if this move happened. Still think Scrivens ends up in EDM.

    • whalz

      i agree, im sure before NONIS pulls the trigger he has something lined up, and EDM would be a great team to deal with

  • Leafbites

    I don’t believe it’s unnecessary or strange to be looking to improve the most important position on the roster. Whether it’s the workload, an injury past, or for whatever reason. If the braintrust believe this goalie will improve that position, then why not pursue.

    • whalz

      exactly

  • dlb eh

    hmm…i do love Frattin.  i did say MacArthur was the type of position i’d like to see upgraded with a Clarkson type
    …but if Bernier is better than Scrivens (a.  i don’t know.  b.  i am not on the Scrivens bandwagon.  c.  Reimer’s health is the question, not his ability) …
    team = Mac + Bernier + (Clarkson) > Frattin + Scrivens + (Clarkson)
    cap = $$ + $$ + ($$$) < $ + $ + ($$$)
    maybe?
    goaltending always the biggest impact
    still, i really want to see us build a better D.  get Gunnarsson to the 2nd defensive-assignment/pk pair without hurting the mobility and toughness of the group and i’m happier.  tough nut to crack.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    If we move Frattin PLUS for Bernier I might not be able to resist the urge to go kick Nonis in the nuts.

    • rustynail

      Alec Brownscombe I’ll pay your cab fare

      • Burtonboy

        rustynail Alec Brownscombe I’ll pay the tip for the csbbie

        • skiingallday

          Burtonboy rustynail Alec Brownscombe I’ll pay for the steel-toed boots

    • whalz

      why? your concerned about a 3rd line 25yr old? just resign Mac then or look to upgrade with Clarkson or Horton?

    • dlb eh

      Alec Brownscombe 
      haha, it all depends on what he follows it up with
      between Frattin and Leo we’d be missing a lot of heavy hitting

    • phaneufoundlander

      Agreed AB, ppl tend to forget how good Fratty was before the knee operation to clean up fragments..the kid looked like a gem, 9 goals in 10 games I believe? I think he can be a steady 25-35 goal scorer….go for a goalie vet, forget Bernier and save our youth and picks

  • mike_84

    Any chance a deal with LA could get bigger? Maybe Stoll? Brown? Scuderi’s rights?

    • dlb eh

      mike_84 
      lol, here we go.
      Scrivens, Mac, 1st
      Bernier, Stoll, 1st

      • dlb eh

        mike_84 
        you do the Scuderi part.  i left that open for ya

      • dlb eh

        mike_84 
        you do the Scuderi part.  i left that open for ya

      • Alec Brownscombe

        dlb eh mike_84 DOMINOES!

      • Alec Brownscombe

        dlb eh mike_84 DOMINOES!

      • mike_84

        dlb eh mike_84 LA doesn’t have a 1st

        • dlb eh

          mike_84 dlb eh 
          DOMINOES! (fix the deal)

      • wendelsfist

        dlb eh mike_84 Is Willie Mitchell finished?  He is a great shutdown (limited offence) dman.

  • mike_84

    I think moving Fratts would bank on how Nonis feels about D’amigo and other Marlies.

  • Burtonboy

    I’ve listened to the Nonis interviews several times and he continually says  ” if we can upgrade at any position we will ” . Bernier is not an upgrade on Reimer .I understand Nonis returning a call and listening to what Lombardi had to say but sweet jesus trading Matt Frattin + for a back-up goalies is insane . I don’t believe Nonis has any intention of doing this kind of deal.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      He may see it as upgrading the goaltending position overall, not on Reimer. But I hope to God you’re right.

      • Burtonboy

        Alec Brownscombe Lombardi was the one who put out feelers to 10 teams apparently . This is Nonis doing his due diligence IMO

    • Alec Brownscombe

      He may see it as upgrading the goaltending position overall, not on Reimer. But I hope to God you’re right.

    • wendelsfist

      Burtonboy I don’t really see Bernier happening.  Nonis has always talked about a veteran upgrade.  Bernier is more a sideways move if he replaces Scrivens that doesn’t add veteran experience.

    • wendelsfist

      Burtonboy I don’t really see Bernier happening.  Nonis has always talked about a veteran upgrade.  Bernier is more a sideways move if he replaces Scrivens that doesn’t add veteran experience.

    • phaneufoundlander

      Maybe Nonis is blowing smoke so he can land Bobby lou for cheap…

      • mcloki

        phaneufoundlander waitt for Van to buy him out. Sign him for 4 years.

        • phaneufoundlander

          True…

  • Burtonboy

    I’ve listened to the Nonis interviews several times and he continually says  ” if we can upgrade at any position we will ” . Bernier is not an upgrade on Reimer .I understand Nonis returning a call and listening to what Lombardi had to say but sweet jesus trading Matt Frattin + for a back-up goalies is insane . I don’t believe Nonis has any intention of doing this kind of deal.

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    I was discussing Bernier vs Reimer with a buddy at work today (he’s in my IT dept and he’s a bigger hockey nut that I am).  He seems to think that we’ve seen the best that Reimer can be (says Reimer may have plateaued)….whereas Bernier could turn into the better goalie with a higher ceiling.  I’m not sure I buy that.  Then again, I’m not very familiar with Bernier (never seen him play and I don’t know enough about him to comment either way).
    For those who are familiar with Bernier and have seen him play…..is there any validity to the possibility of him having a higher ceiling than Reimer??  I mean, just how good is Bernier….and what kind of potential does he have??

    • DWCMLHS

      Bon Scott was a Leaf fan Bernier was picked in the first round for a reason. That being said, goalies are hard to judge when they are only 17/18. Given what he has done as a pro, there’s no evidence at this point to support him having more long-run potential than Reimer. Reimer is more experienced and has a better career save percentage.

      • whalz

        reimer also didnt have John Quick infront of him

      • Cameron19

        -Keon- You really have to ignore context to compare the two though.  Reimer’s games came whilst carrying a bad team with no defensive structure whatsoever.  Bernier’s games came against weaker opponents, sheltered by a great defensive team.  64 games as Toronto’s starter is a hell of a lot different than 64 games as an occasional back-up on a Cup team.

      • DWCMLHS

        -Keon- But he’s been over .920 in both of the seasons in which he was not recovering from a concussion. It’s entirely possible his save percentage could be higher had he been healthy all last season. 
        And who knows, maybe Bernier’s save percentage will actually go down over the next 40ish games he plays.

      • whalz

        i get that you dont care for BERNIER, but if he is as good as everyone thinks, then why not aquire him? what happens if Reimer suffers an injury or shits the bed this yr, are you confident in Scrivens? im not

      • mcloki

        @whalz If they’re playing behind a beefed up Carlyle defence. I’m not as worried.

      • whalz

        well if Kotska is resigned and  playing 20mins a nite we should be worried,,,lol

      • mcloki

        @whalz Oh, I’d put on odds that Kostka doesn’t get resigned by the Leafs unless it’s a 2 way.

      • MaxwellHowe

        @whalz I think the Isles are a lock to get Bernier – they have the assets to make it happen oh so easily

      • whalz

        i agree, they could send LA NINO, but id love the leafs to get Bernier at a decent cost,,,,,,but id say NYI or NJ are the likely destinations for Bernier

      • mcloki

        MaxwellHowe And then Nabokov would be free to go elsewhere. Interesting. the next 9 days could be crazy interesting.

      • whalz

        isnt POULIN the only goalie under contract for the NYI? i could also see LOU going to NYI,,,,,,,Nabby would be a good signing for the leafs

    • dlb eh

      Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 
      sounds like your buddy’s just got a hunch, but not a lot of experience to make it an education guess.
      Reimer’s shown to be pretty good at a lot of things, including winning and winning big games.
      he could improve catching, puck handling, game management (among other things) but why can’t he improve in those areas and be better?  what we really want from him is for him to stay healthy and continue to be what he has been when healthy, because that’s gotten it done for us hasn’t it?
      what are the holes in Bernier’s game that he can improve?  is he bigger and more athletic and therefore potentially a better bet to be great?  what’s the science behind it?  i’m no goalie expert, of course, but without seeing a lot more of Bernier i don’t know how to compare them.

  • DWCMLHS

    If we’re getting rid of Scrivens and bringing in a different back-up, we should just sign a cheap veteran UFA. No need to give up assets for Bernier. Frattin is rounding into a very good and cheap 3rd-liner. We already lost our ideal 4th-line winger in Komarov, and may lose a 2nd-line quality winger in MacArthur. How many guys can we afford to lose? It’s not like we can guarantee a Clarkson or Horton signing.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      DWCMLHS Think Theodore has any game left?

      • mcloki

        ingy56 DWCMLHS Hockey or shuffleboard?

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki ingy56 DWCMLHS Haha…first guy I thought of when DWCMLHS said cheap vet, but there’s plenty of better options actually (If Nonis wants to go that route).

        • mcloki

          ingy56 mcloki DWCMLHS I’m with Nonnis. Wait till the compliance buyouts are set in motion. Philly is going to have to have a yard sale to get under the cap. Haven’t heard shit from Vancounver. TB. San Jose. Lots of guys are going to suddenly appear.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki ingy56 DWCMLHS Yup, no doubt eh? It’s going to be a busy week.

        • mcloki

          ingy56 mcloki DWCMLHS Especially if the cup goes 7 games. Highly likely now. Game 7 could be next Wednesday and compliance buyouts could only happen on Friday. That long weekend will be nuts.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki ingy56 DWCMLHS Wish list on one hand, chequebook in the other.

      • DWCMLHS

        ingy56 DWCMLHS He probably wouldn’t be too bad as just a back-up.

  • DWCMLHS

    If we’re getting rid of Scrivens and bringing in a different back-up, we should just sign a cheap veteran UFA. No need to give up assets for Bernier. Frattin is rounding into a very good and cheap 3rd-liner. We already lost our ideal 4th-line winger in Komarov, and may lose a 2nd-line quality winger in MacArthur. How many guys can we afford to lose? It’s not like we can guarantee a Clarkson or Horton signing.

  • whalz

    one thing to point out is how NONIS isnt worried about trying to resign his rfas or ufas at the moment,,,,it could be possible that hes waiting on a deal or perhaps waiting to see what star players will be on the block or bought out?
    Leafs im sure will be very active on upgrading thru trades or signings……looking forward to see how  NONIS reacts to his first off season without BB

  • wendelsfist

    And the last sentence says it best.   The leafs have bigger problems to address then in net but if something falls in his lap at a great value then I’m all for it.

  • Mortagleus

    I’d pick up bernier give him a 2 year deal play him 40% games then trade at the trade dead line for a first round pick + to a team in need of goalie ie Pittsburgh when fleury eats its it next year or

    • dlb eh

      Mortagleus 
      you’d risk giving up more now than you’d gain then…what would it say about the state of our team or Bernier himself if he was on the block?

      • sasha

        dlb eh Mortagleus 
        Not to mention if Bernier didn’t pan out and we couldn’t dish him for a bag of pucks.

  • mcloki

    Goalie talk is boring. Bernier is going to Philly, or as i call it  Goalie Elephant graveyard. What I want to know is who are we trading Colbourne for?

    • Burtonboy

      mcloki Whats with this Colborne stuff ?

      • mcloki

        Burtonboy mcloki Bored. I missed out on all the hand wringing over Bernier. Who will never be a Leaf in a million years. ANd Colbourne seems like the guy that will get targeted in trade rumours. He is RFA. SO let the rumours start to swell.

        • Burtonboy

          mcloki Burtonboy We will need to be getting a center back if we are moving Big Joe

        • mcloki

          Burtonboy mcloki True. But I think a third line center might just be shaken loose from one of the teams close to the salary cap.

        • Loric76

          mcloki Burtonboy did I miss something?  why are we trading Colborne for a 3rd line C now?

        • rustynail

          Loric76 mcloki Burtonboy boredom

        • mcloki

          rustynail Loric76 mcloki Burtonboy Boredom. We can’t wait the 2 days when all the shit starts to hit the fan. I think i may have to watch the basketball game tonight.

    • phaneufoundlander

      makes no sense for Nonis to give up assets for an unproven goalie when he could pick one off the FA market for nothing?….. like Ray Emery or Mike Smith……..

    • phaneufoundlander

      makes no sense for Nonis to give up assets for an unproven goalie when he could pick one off the FA market for nothing?….. like Ray Emery or Mike Smith……..

    • whalz

      lots of rfas available which teams might need to pass on bc they cant afford them,,,,lets send JC to STL for Stewart

  • Mortagleus

    does anyone think we could target  emerson or palmieri out of anahiem

    • Mortagleus

      or even rfa RYAN MCDONAGH from the rangers

      • mcloki

        Mortagleus oh thats interesting.

  • Mind Bomb

    Evening Folks did I miss any good news Today ?

    • mcloki

      Mind Bomb Briere is getting bought out. Torres signed with the Sharks. Nothing really.

      • Mind Bomb

        mcloki Mind Bomb  Hmm thanks, thank god we did not get Torres :)

    • phaneufoundlander

      and Colbourne is being shopped ..ask Mcloki

      • whalz

        didnt he also say Hodgson has signed  4yr deal at 3.25? and that they were waiting to announce after Cup final?
        didnt they announce Enroth signing today? lol

      • mcloki

        phaneufoundlander Well it’s just me shopping him around at this point. But I did come up with the whole TB NYI compliance buyout scenario. 😉

        • phaneufoundlander

          Any more trade / aquistion proposals? Lol

      • Mind Bomb

        phaneufoundlander Haha, he might be right. With Grabo Signed Long term, and if you sign Kadri Long term, where does Colburne Fit. I have wondered myself as two his value to other GM’s.

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksiehttps://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/347852630824984577
    Tortorella met yesterday with Mike Gillis in Boston, very much in mix to replace Vigneault behind Vancouver bench.

  • skiingallday

    Time for some relaxing NHL 13. Gonna kill those Bruins.

  • HeatherRickAkin

    The Net Question ….endless opinion on whether to trade , or not to trade. That is the question. Of course the jury is out on young guys with few NHL games to their credit, so who really knows if  Bernier can become the star that his draft position suggests. Many haven’t . On the other hand, Reimer has played well in the Toronto spotlight and the Leaf brass, as Bob MacK wrote, like him, but don’t love him  (and yes, maybe because he has, so far, been a bit brittle in his career). I guess I agree with MacKenzie . Call me old fashioned, but I have a lot more confidence in a goalie who can catch the puck, rather than bat at it and fall on the rebound. James simply does not (yet) possess that snake-like glove hand that you want to see in your goalie. He likely never will. Doesn’t mean he cant play, but it does mean that you are going to get a lot of crease action with Reimer in there . That’s tough when in this day and age two burly forwards are crashing the crease a split second after the puck gets there . Lots to consider in looking for a goalie…money, age, length of contract, and whether you need to give up assets . I would like to see the Leafs upgrade their netminding, but I doubt it will actually happen . With the cap presence, I see the Leafs going forward with the incumbents , at least until they show they CANT do the job. So far, they have been fine.

  • Optimustic

    Maybe Bernier is the right aquisition … Maybe …  I just can’t see giving up Frattin and a pick or prospect for a maybe.

  • peterbleafs

    I think we keep a Frattin and just sign some free agent to help out with some 25 games or so, but Scrivens is plenty good enough to do that.  Frattin is one of those 3rd line guys that can make a huge difference in the playoffs, ultra fast, some skill and fairly strong and solid.

    • DWCMLHS

      peterbleafs Frattin is probably the strongest player on the Leafs, pound-for-pound. The guy is a tank on his skates.

  • peterbleafs

    Keep it simple…dump grabbo for picks and dumps, sign clarkson and hire yannick perreault to train our guys in faceoffs.

    • mcloki

      peterbleafs Perrault already signed with another team.

  • DIGGLER _69

    I rather Leafs sign Ray Emery or Dan Ellis than go down this road of trading for goalie prospects. If LA is asking for Frattin and a 2nd or even worst the first, forget it.

    Its either they sign a proven goalie or draft one. This thing of picking up other teams’ goalie propsects never works for Leafs. They are taught different systems and brought up not properly, etc etc. 
    This year there is at least a dozen decent goalie prospects. Draft 1 or 2 and raise them to be the next frachise goalie for this team. Enough stop gaps and band aids. 
    Spencer Martin from Mississauga looks interesting and can be selected probably in the second maybe third round. He is compared to Ryan Miller, yup, that cab be a good pick.

    • ProfessorRance

      DIGGLER _69 On projection alone, Bernier isn’t considered a stop gap.

      • DIGGLER _69

        ProfessorRance DIGGLER _69 Still a Projection though. Its not like signing Cujo or Eddy B. They can easily sign a vet for a few years to back up James and grow something worth wiled. James still helped to take Leafs to the 7th game of a series with a Stanley Cup Finalists.

        • ProfessorRance

          DIGGLER _69 ProfessorRance I wouldn’t consider any UFA’s to be of the calibre of Cujo or Eddie though. Miller or Luongo could be those guys but assets would still have to be used for them. Is Backstrom from Minnesota a UFA? Even though his injury history is scary he is a capable goalie.

        • DIGGLER _69

          ProfessorRance DIGGLER _69 Backstrom is a UFA but I doubt Minny doesn’t sign him. Harding is just as injury prone as him.
          I think Leafs just need to finally grow a goalie prospect and stop this foolish shuffling and questioning of goal tending. future

        • .JVR.

          DIGGLER _69
          I think the Leafs have already done that, twice!!  
          If Scrivens and Reimer played for another team, the MSM would probably be writing articles about how the Leafs are interested in acquiring one of them.

    • Optimustic

      DIGGLER _69 There has to be  better options than Frattin + for Bernier.  You mentioned two already. I like Bernier fine, but don’t want to give up potential for a ” maybe a bit  better than what we have” .  How many of us would have given Frattin, and a prospect and a pick for Reimer a year ago?   Same thing, no?

    • DIGGLER _69

      -Keon- Gustavsson

    • DIGGLER _69

      Toskala

      • Burtonboy

        DIGGLER _69 Pogge

      • DIGGLER _69

        Burtonboy DIGGLER _69 He was drafted by the Leafs but so was Rask.

      • Burtonboy

        DIGGLER _69 Burtonboy Right you are

      • Tommy Cat

        Burtonboy DIGGLER _69 Peter Ing?

  • dlb eh

    ya know….the thought of acquiring Bernier just isn’t as sexy as the other ideas being bandied about the last few days.  i’m still hungry.

  • mike_84

    If we did move Frattin do we then sign Stalberg to play on the third line?

    • dlb eh

      mike_84 
      haha
      he’s big and fast and looks good in a suit

  • Cameron19

    Guys, Scrivens had a 915 sv% this year, and was the 9th best back-up goalie in the league.  He’s obviously still developing, too. I don’t know why we’re suddenly pretending that just about any back-up – even guys who performed worse than him – would be upgrades.

    • mike_84

      Cameron19 Its not that he’s not good enough its the fact he’s a UFA next year. Theres a good chance he walks next year if he’s not the #1 guy. So most people want to get something in return while we can.

      • rustynail

        mike_84 Cameron19 walks where to be number  1?

        • mike_84

          rustynail mike_84 Cameron19 EDM

        • rustynail

          mike_84 rustynail Cameron19  if he plays that well we are ahead of the game

      • Cameron19

        mike_84 Cameron19 People are being paranoid, as usual.  If he can go be a number 1 somewhere, than why aren’t we trying to undercut the Bernier market with him?

    • dlb eh

      Cameron19 
      personally, i grew tired of him.  his personality was refreshing at first, but after seeing him more i started feeling like he wasn’t the genuine good team mate he first seemed to be.  of course i can’t know shit, but i like Reimer and want to cheer for him.  i don’t really enjoy Scrivens anymore, everything else aside.

      • rustynail

        dlb eh Cameron19 personally I like an intelligent well spoken player

        • Pent_House

          rustynail Scrivens embellishment this year really irked me the wrong way. I never saw it in the AHL, but this year he was really involved in that.

        • Pent_House

          rustynail Scrivens embellishment this year really irked me the wrong way. I never saw it in the AHL, but this year he was really involved in that.

        • dlb eh

          rustynail dlb eh Cameron19 
          i like well spoken players too, but he started to become a wise ass and he even struck me as rude at times.  not humble.  not sincere.  a bit pompus even.  he rubbed me the wrong way a couple times.  everyone’s easy to like when thye’re having success.  when the shit hit the fan i felt he wasn’t really a great guy after all.  not quite so classy.

        • rustynail

          dlb eh rustynail Cameron19 saw exactly the opposite

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/NHLFlames
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23yyc&src=hash- if you need emergency refuge, go to Southland Leisure Centre or Acadia Rec Complex. MORE INFO ~ http://t.co/YImgJxYGNa https://twitter.com/search?q=%23yycflood&src=hash

  • Armchair GM

    The Leafs may be the only team that gives up significant assets in goalie trades… St. Louis gave up Lars Eller to get Halak so they may be the other case… That aside, I always thought of Slim Whitman as a joke because of his yodelling, but with his death I’ve listened to him and appreciate his talent…

    • Anthony Petrielli

      Armchair GM Is Frattin>Eller?

    • dlb eh

      Armchair GM 
      i don’t think St Louis is missing Lars Eller in the least.  Halak could retire and they wouldn’t lose sleep over that one.  i like Lars where he is.

    • dlb eh

      Armchair GM 
      i don’t think St Louis is missing Lars Eller in the least.  Halak could retire and they wouldn’t lose sleep over that one.  i like Lars where he is.

      • Anthony Petrielli

        dlb eh Armchair GM That doesn’t really have anything to do with Eller vs. Frattin. Eller’s a solid player.

  • .JVR.

    I don’t want Nonis to acquire Bernier and I really don’t think it is necessary.
    Like you said, we already have Scrivens and the kid has had a very successful career so far, highlighted by leading the Marlies to the Calder Cup Finals last season.

    I just think if we’re gonna be trading Frattin and a pick/prospect, it should be as part of a package to acquire a Top Four Defenceman or a Top Six Centre.

  • Pent_House

    I was the only one raising this concern about Reimer and his health, and advocating to get Bernier. Let’s go AP.

    • Anthony Petrielli

      Pent_House Has to be the Leafs concern. Has to be.

      • Komas Taberle

        Anthony Petrielli Pent_House That and rebounds, Reimer is brutal with rebounds.

        • Cameron19

          Komas Taberle Anthony Petrielli Pent_House Such hyperbole. He had a couple bad games with them and suddenly became “brutal”.  Before that it was his glove hand – which was solid pretty much the whole year despite that criticism.

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Komas Taberle Anthony Petrielli Pent_House Reimer will figure that out; I wouldn’t be too worried about his technical issues. He’s a hell of a goalie.

        • whalz

          are you sure your not employed by the LEAFS? lol

        • Cameron19

          @whalz lol, Yea, because anyone not believing what the CBC panel says about Reimer’s goaltending abilities must be working for the Leafs….

        • whalz

          hey listen, im not saying i dont like Reimer, but id love a reimer-bernier tandem…….

        • Cameron19

          @whalz I have no objection to that – my comment was about the absurd hyperbole regarding Reimer being “brutal” at rebounds.  If you’re brutal at anything in the NHL, you’re not postin 920+ save percentages….

        • Mind Bomb

          Cameron19  Defense :) 
          P

        • whalz

          ahh ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,its funny how some think this player is shit or that player…..in all honesty anyone who plays in the NHL is good.

        • whalz

          ahh ok,,,,,,,,,,,,,its funny how some think this player is shit or that player…..in all honesty anyone who plays in the NHL is good.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          @whalz Brett Lebda

      • Mind Bomb

        Anthony Petrielli Pent_House My concern Anthony is the amount of Cap he will eat, Ok they have access to better info on Health issues, so lets Run with that premis. Do we want to commit 5 years 20 mil to A goalie, or Sign a Vet Goalie. If you trade for Him, you no you can sign him and I doubt any of us will like it !

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Mind Bomb Anthony Petrielli Pent_House Wait, who is making that money? Bernier? Why?

        • Mind Bomb

          Anthony Petrielli Mind Bomb Pent_House  I am positive I read he wants north of 4 mil

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Mind Bomb Anthony Petrielli Pent_House You could be right, I just haven’t that read anywhere. Different story if he wants that much, obviously. I’d assume he’d come in at around 2M.

        • rustynail

          Anthony Petrielli Mind Bomb Pent_House he made 1.5 last year

        • Anthony Petrielli

          rustynail Anthony Petrielli Mind Bomb Pent_House He’s probably hoping some team acquires him and gives him a nice contract with term+money, but he hasn’t done anything to deserve that yet.

        • Mind Bomb

          rustynail Anthony Petrielli Mind Bomb Pent_House  The GM has come out and said He promised to do everything to make him a Starter Somewhere, I imagine his agent is good enough to get him Reasonable Starting wages with his pedigree, good initial numbers and demand for young Likely number one goalies, I will be shocked if he is traded and signs for 2 mil a year unless its a one or two your contract and even then

        • Mind Bomb

          Anthony Petrielli rustynail Mind Bomb Pent_House Philly ! :)

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Mind Bomb rustynail Anthony Petrielli Pent_House I don’t think the Leafs will get him, but I bet you they’d trade Frattin and a pick for him. But teams like Philly and the Islanders will/should offer way more and the Leafs wont get into a bidding war for him.

        • Mind Bomb

          Anthony PetrielliMind BombrustynailPent_HouseFrom Lebrun
          Regarding Jonathan Bernier, LeBrun says that Toronto, NYI, Philadephia,
          Minnesota and the Florida Panthers are all interested in Bernier, and
          Bernier stated that Kings GM Dean Lombardi stated that he would do all
          in his power to make Bernier a starter somewhere during his exit
          interview

        • rustynail

          Anthony Petrielli rustynail Mind Bomb Pent_House agreed

        • Loric76

          Mind Bomb Anthony Petrielli rustynail Pent_House It’s all a sham.  Only Philly is actually interested, the rest are  just fucking with Gillis lol

        • whalz

          not a chance he can command that,,,,,,,,,,,,

        • Mind Bomb

          Loric76 Mind Bomb Anthony Petrielli rustynail Pent_House  Hahah Loric.

        • Mind Bomb

          Loric76 Mind Bomb Anthony Petrielli rustynail Pent_House  Hahah Loric.

        • Mind Bomb

          @whalz  You Dont think He could get 4 mil on a term contract ?

        • Mind Bomb

          @whalz  You Dont think He could get 4 mil on a term contract ?

        • whalz

          not unless he deserves it after  a steller yr,,,,,,,,he is up for a new contract after next season so he better have one hell of a yr to command that kind of money with only 50gms played?

        • rustynail

          @whalz if you are talking about Bernier he is RFA on July 5

        • whalz

          lol..you are right,,,,,,dont know what i was thinking………….then no way in hell does he net 4mil on 50 gms played

        • Mind Bomb

          rustynail  and Ripe for an Offer Sheet really, LA is kinda Caped as it is, would be Funny if Calgary Offer sheeted him, or Colorado.

        • rustynail

          Mind Bomb rustynail some one in the west who could hurt LA by matchig

        • Mind Bomb

          Even Minnesota after what happened to Backstrom

    • Anthony Petrielli

      Pent_House Has to be the Leafs concern. Has to be.

    • flappypaddle

      If reimers a health concern then id be more a inclined personally to go afyerbemery

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/347870285539729408
    The world juniors has gone from making $3.7-million to more than $20-million. And Toronto-Montreal will top even that http://t.co/evu3yk8U1W

  • Pent_House

    I do think Philly ends up getting him though

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Pent_House I thought I read that Philly wont buy out Bryz this offseason. Just Briere.

      • rustynail

        TheColborneUltimatum Pent_House who ever believes Homer?

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Pent_House Good.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Pent_House Good.

  • wendelsfist

    Monday is the earliest before the crazy season starts.  And Wednesday if we need game 7  (or the next morning) is the worse case.

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    It seems like everyone has been bent out of shape on these media rumors. It feels like the deals we pull off come from no where most of the time. The media is almost always wrong when it comes to these things.

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIChttps://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/347883462910414850
    Two best words on sports: ‘Game 7.” Narrowly edging “Lock Out.”

  • Loric76

    Oh ya, finally got caught up on Game of Thrones, watched episode 9 last night and I see why you guys were all going nuts about it…holy shit.
    Watching the finale tonight

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Loric76 Geez I cannot escape the Game Of Thrones chatter. The one place I thought I could escape from it. Haven’t seen this season yet.

      • Loric76

        TheColborneUltimatum Loric76 one good thing about this site is that people were talking about it all season but there weren’t any spoilers, at least none that I picked up on.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          Loric76 TheColborneUltimatum Yeah I’ve been on this site for a long time but rarely post. I’ve seen a couple posts on it from time to time. But I’m waiting until I finish the book before I watch season 3.

    • Mind Bomb

      Loric76 Awesome Show !

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    If Reimer did what he’s doing on Nashville he’d be considered the best up and comer goaltender. It’s fucking ridiculous.

  • Uncle Otis

    I agree with your sentiments Anthony..bigger fish to fry indeed.
    IF Nonis feels he must get a tender,then it should be someone proven.
    Miller, although they’d swallow hard to move him up the Q, would be worth the $$.
    Our luck with “potential” back ups is pretty dismal,and one who will be asking upwards of 3-4 mil per season likely.
    Feel for Reims who has done nothing but play big when called upon, and proved his critics wrong time and again.
    Fack,Healy made less of Crawford’s ridiculously leaky glove than he did Reims.
    Drive up the price for Philly,and go get us a dman and center please.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Uncle Otis If they are so worried about a backup why not just sign one? It seems like every year a few capable backups hit the market. We should go after Emery if he’s unsigned still and use all of our trade chips for a 1C.

      • TheColborneUltimatum

        Does anyone know if Emery is unsigned still?

        • whalz

          ufa at seasons end

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          @whalz He’s proven to be a capable backup. Why not sign him and then put Scrivens in a package for something else.

        • whalz

          id like Emery,,,,,,,,,,but who says he doesnt resign with CHIC or some other team, as im sure he will be a starter in NYI or CALGARY….

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          @whalz If the market for Bernier keeps going up I can see him a fit in Calgary. They have 3 first rounders. They have enough trade chips to get it done.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          @whalz If the market for Bernier keeps going up I can see him a fit in Calgary. They have 3 first rounders. They have enough trade chips to get it done.

        • whalz

          true, but i read LA doesnt want to trade him to a Western Conf team………..

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          @whalz Maybe. He would be a fit there though. I kind of hope we can pry one of their first round picks from them and use it as leverage to draft higher.

        • rustynail

          @whalz Calgary offer sheet looks pretty tempting. Who do they even have as a goalie? Easy for Bernier to be starter

        • whalz

          it is going to be interesting forsure, cant wait till open season on buyouts and draft day

        • whalz

          yeah forsure, Kipper is retiring and didnt they pluck Macdonald off waivers from Det?  i could see Feaster sending LA a 1st and possibly another asset to get Bernier

        • rustynail

          @whalz and threatening an offer sheet. :)

        • whalz

          yup……but anyone could say that to DL unless his asking price comes down

        • whalz

          yup……but anyone could say that to DL unless his asking price comes down

    • whalz

      in all fairness, those 2 goals on Crawford by Boychuk and Bergeron were rockets!!!! nobody was stopping those pucks

  • Mind Bomb

    Speaking Of bigger Fish, heading to Lake Scugog Tommorow, gonna catch me some for Dinner :) Beers , A Dock and A Fishing Rod, 
    Good times

    • Uncle Otis

      Mind Bomb 
      Don’t forget to take some Captain Highliner as back-up 😉
      Hitting the beach with family..no fish but carp near Wasaga :(

      • Mind Bomb

        Uncle Otis Mind Bomb  Hhaha O not good eats

        • Uncle Otis

          Mind Bomb 
          You got that right.. Chinese pickerel . 😉

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    Yaknowwhat Pretty sure our defense will take care of itself. All of our trade chips should be used on our forwards.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Yaknowwhat If Gardiner and Franson are our second pairing that will help us out a ton. And if Ranger makes the jump we’ll be in business. And then there’s Rielly and Blacker too. Help on defense is coming.

    • DWCMLHS

      Yaknowwhat TheColborneUltimatum Phaneuf can handle the minutes he is given. Just don’t play him with AHLers for over half the season when he’s playing the toughest ES minutes of any Dman in the entire league.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Yaknowwhat DWCMLHS I agree. 
      Phaneuf- Gunnarson
      Gardiner- Franson
      Blacker- Ranger
      Fraser

      I forget who plays on what side but that seems like a decent group to move forward with.

    • DWCMLHS

      Yaknowwhat DWCMLHS As does pretty much every big-minute shut-down Dman. Phaneuf’s mistakes are just magnified 10x because he’s a Leaf. He is a 25+ minute/night all-situations #1 Dman. Cuttingdown his minutes should not be a priority – getting him a legit #2 LD to play with should be.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Yaknowwhat TheColborneUltimatum I bet Blacker will. I’d much rather see him up than have to watch Kostka again. I’d make Ranger a priority. If Nonis can convince him to come back up it would be the type of boost our d needed.

    • mcloki

      And put Gardiner and Franson on PP1.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      mcloki Sure, I think at that point you can mix and match a bit depending on who has chemistry with one another.

    • mcloki

      Franson and Gardiner just must drive defends crazy with their mobility.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      mcloki I love them on our second line.

    • mcloki

      Phaneuf just frustrates me. Defenders know how to key on him. And honestly. Gardiner passing the puck to finishers like Kadri and Kessel make the PP sing.

    • Pent_House

      TheColborneUltimatum No thanks to Ranger

    • DWCMLHS

      mcloki Yes, because taking the Dman who is 2nd in the league in PP goals, 2nd in the league in overall goals, and 7th in the league in points since he entered the league, and has averaged 46 points per 82 games over his career (inc. playoff games) is a fantastic idea. 
      Dion stays on the first PP unit because he’s a fucking beast there. If not for him, Franson would not have had nearly as much space to work with on the PP. Opposing PKers gravitate towards Dion and Phil, because they are both unreal. The two biggest threats on our PP by far.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      I don’t think Liles will be there next year. Fraser might not either.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Pent_House Why? Seems like a better option than Kostka or Fraser.

    • Pent_House

      TheColborneUltimatum He’s really talented but I think he’s one of the most unintelligent d-man I’ve ever seen. If he plays on the Leafs i’ll puke.

    • DWCMLHS

      mcloki They key in on him and he still scores at a 48-point pace, tied for 9th in D-scoring with 28 points, only 4 shy of 3rd place. Strange.

    • mcloki

      Sorry for the slow reply. Franson had 1 point less with less ice time and PP time. I just saying we mix it up because we can. This system can’t handle the load.

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    I wouldn’t mind if we acquired Stastny from Colorado. One year of him seems a lot more enticing than 5 of Weiss or more of Bozak. I like the idea of buying when his value is low. I definitely feel like we are good trading partners with Colorado.

    • ProfessorRance

      TheColborneUltimatum I wonder if Stastny’s value get’s lower if Colorado drafts a center.

    • ProfessorRance

      TheColborneUltimatum I wonder if Stastny’s value get’s lower if Colorado drafts a center.

      • TheColborneUltimatum

        ProfessorRance Maybe. But he’s been shoved down their depth chart. If we played him in our top 6 with better wingers he could refind his game. If not it’s only one year. But they need help on d and we have a ton of d prospects. I think there’s a fit there. Low risk high reward.

        • ProfessorRance

          TheColborneUltimatum ProfessorRance Exactly. If we move up in the draft and draft a center, Stastny could be a stop gap until our pick is ready.

  • Waiting4LSC

    I read the title and started to groan. Then I saw it was by AP. Different tune. But I am so with Uncle O. Other needs. Limited assets to trade. want a #2D. Would like to jump up the Board for McK or a stud, but that will take more than just taking on a bad contract. I really want to see a stronger #1C. Create more offensive time. NoNo needs to be more dynamic in additions to the squad. I continue to fear major disappointment when the season starts. Usual story of lots of talk and GMs being too conservative. Cap hell or not every year there is always some reason for not adding the WOW factor. Really appreciate the article AP.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Waiting4LSC The way to solve this 1C problem is we need to draft one and not just Kadri. I love Kadri but if he was our 2C I’d be okay with that. It feels like every team has drafted one but us.

    • Uncle Otis

      Waiting4LSC 
      Thing is,the media has got us worked up on the subject like its the paramount concern.
      I’m trust these guys are very bit as concerned about other pressing matters,and time should prove that out.
      Just feel like Reims is getting a raw deal when he proved he could play under playoff pressure…it better be one hell of an upgrade if we are giving up assets/forking out more cash.

    • Anthony Petrielli

      Waiting4LSC Just trying to look at how the Leafs are approaching. Doesn’t mean I agree.

  • DWCMLHS

    Either let Scrivens be Reimer’s back-up or sign a guy like Emery and trade Scrivens. Bernier can go to Philadelphia and join their goalie circus. 
    The Leafs need Dmen. They don’t need to be wasting assets on a back-up goalie.