Bernier the Boats

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The Jonathan Bernier to Toronto speculation was ongoing all week, so it wasn’t a complete surprise when the Leafs acquired him yesterday. What was surprising, considering teams that are in much worse shape in net like the Flyers and Islanders were in on the bidding, is that one of those teams didn’t offer big value for a goalie so many are apparently high on.

Ultimately, it seems the Leafs were able to offer a package that matched up well with the Kings’ needs. The Leafs gave Los Angeles a good backup goalie and top nine forward who combine to cost them a million bucks (since the Leafs are retaining salary), along with a second round pick. That’s solid value for a guy who requested a trade on a team that’s tight against the cap.

Conversely, the Leafs assumed more risk in this deal but are receiving more potential in return. Dave Nonis basically admitted as much in his press conference, saying “we felt the gamble was worth taking with the upside that we think that Jonathan has.”

From Toronto’s point of view, they are getting an asset they think has legitimate franchise goalie upside for below market value considering LA’s circumstances and Bernier’s trade request. Even though the Leafs already have a goalie that was lights out last season and basically carried them to the playoffs, Nonis still pulled the trigger on this deal. I wrote last week that I’m betting the Leafs are more concerned about Reimer’s ability to stay healthy than his actual talents, but what they traded away isn’t a package you put together to merely bring in a backup goalie.

For comparisons sake, here is what other teams paid to acquire a young goalie in the past few years:

  • Tampa acquired 24-year-old Anders Lindback, Kyle Wilson and a 7th for Sebastien Garon, two second round picks and a third. They also traded Cory Conacher for Ben Bishop afterward.
  • Colorado acquired 23-year-old Semyon Varlamov for the 11th overall pick and a conditional second round pick.
  • St. Louis acquired 25-year-old Jaroslav Halak for first round prospect Lars Eller and third round prospect Ian Schultz.

None of those goalies have panned out spectacularly for their teams, but like the Leafs, none of them really gave up anything substantial, either.

If Bernier does pan out, you have to wonder what this means for Reimer.

When Randy Carlyle was head coach of the Ducks, the most starts a goalie ever received under him was Jonas Hiller’s 58 starts in 2009-10. The season before that, Giguere started 44 games and Hiller started 38, so he’s no stranger to platooning his goalies and balancing out starts.

Reimer admitted to the Sun that “Overall, I felt I played well this past season. I feel like I’ve established myself as a No. 1 goalie in this league.” And that after seeing the trade it made him, “feel a bit doubted as a goalie.”

Barring the Leafs signing Bernier –who is an RFA—to an unexpected long-term extension, we have to assume that Bernier and Reimer are in an open competition for the net, but when a GM brings in “his guys” history tells us that his guy usually wins when push comes to shove.

The bottom line is that the Leafs already had a guy who looked well on his way to being a legitimate number one goalie in the NHL in James Reimer, and for whatever reason, they still question him.  Now, they’ve brought in competition and doubled their odds that one of Bernier or Reimer will emerge into the role of a true franchise goalie.

Reimer does have more experience having played over 40 more games Bernier, but neither goalie has been a full-time starter over an 82-game season. If you combine Reimer’s career high in games in a season in the NHL (37) and Bernier’s (25), it doesn’t even come close to equalling a full regular season.  Whether you think Reimer or Bernier is the real deal, the truth is that neither has proven it yet over a full campaign.

The Leafs have hedged their bets that one of the two goalies, who have played together before with Team Canada, will finally emerge in net. This is a team which a little over a year ago was forced to dress Jonas Gustavsson and Jussi Rynnas in the same game, and now their “issue” is that they have two goalies who both have strong track records to suggest they can both be true number one goalies in the NHL.

The trade also saw the Leafs lose a solid top nine forward in Matt Frattin. As things stand right now, the Leafs are slated to lose Bozak and MacArthur on top of already losing Frattin and Komarov from last season’s group. There are only seven forwards under contract right now for next season and they are Kessel, JVR, Lupul, Grabovski, Kulemin, McClement and Orr. Even if their remaining three RFAs (Colborne, Kadri and McLaren) are resigned, they’ll still have four holes to fill on forward.

It’s a deal that has left us with more questions than answers, but we do know the Leafs have upgraded in net with Bernier and the hope is that it pushes Reimer to be even better, too. Good goaltending pushed the Leafs into the playoffs this season, and they just got better in net in the overall sense. There are still massive holes to fill at center and defense, but if Bernier pans out in net for the Leafs and forms a strong tandem with Reimer, the Leafs didn’t give up much to do it and it’s going to help them throughout long 82-game seasons.

One thing we can all agree on is that this trade will have something great come out of it if it keeps Ilya Bryzgalov in Philadelphia.

  • Ensign

    So I’m guessing people overall think we lost this trade

    • lister

      Ensign How so? Scrivens was free and is a wash anyways goalie for goalie. So it’s really Frattin and a second rounder. I’d say that’s fair value. Frattin isn’t exactly proven much like Bernier though I think Bernier has more potential to be an impact high ceiling kind of player. Nothing wrong with some competition. If Bernier works out then Reimer can be traded for some other need and a veteran goalie can be brought in.

      • Ensign

        You don’t have to sell me on bernier. I didn’t say I I thought we lost it

        • lister

          Ensign It wasn’t really directed at you. I haven’t been able to read any of the yammerings about the trade yet. Since you mentioned that people think we lost the trade, I was curious what’s being said to support that.

        • Ensign

          Fair enough. I do raise my eyebrow at the potential cap hit…we may need that cap for more pressing needs. But that being said I love our goalie pairing now

        • Mind Bomb

          Ensign  Yep its the contract that worries me, You dont  make this trade, with Bernier coming up an unsigned RFA, unless you have a good idea you can sign him, and I doubt that happens at a Bargain

        • Mind Bomb

          Ensign  Yep its the contract that worries me, You dont  make this trade, with Bernier coming up an unsigned RFA, unless you have a good idea you can sign him, and I doubt that happens at a Bargain

        • Ensign

          It may not be as costly as we think. He wants to play and RC has a good record of balancing goalies.

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Mind Bomb Ensign I’d like to think that L.A. allowed Nonis to talk to Bernier’s agent first, but maybe not. At least Bernier doesn’t sound like he’s about to play hardball and risk getting traded to somewhere he may not like as much.

        • mcloki

          Bobsyouruncle Mind Bomb Ensign I read somewhere that the agent wants to talk to Nonnis this week. I say it gets settled very soon. Especially when we know which UFA’s aren’t coming back and which RFA’s are just going to get qualifying deals.

        • Mind Bomb

          Bobsyouruncle Mind Bomb Ensign  So would I Bob, but how many teams might like to screw it to the Leafs, with an insigned elitel prospect RFA :)

          lol

        • LN-093

          Bobsyouruncle Mind Bomb Ensign Bernier’s interview yesterday was very encouraging.  It sounded like he had a good attitude about everything.

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Mind Bomb Bobsyouruncle Ensign lol  Love having “elite” prospects!!!

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Mind Bomb Bobsyouruncle Ensign lol  Love having “elite” prospects!!!

        • Mind Bomb

          Bobsyouruncle Mind Bomb Ensign  I am diggin it as well lol

        • Mind Bomb

          Bobsyouruncle Mind Bomb Ensign  I am diggin it as well lol

    • Ensign

      Here’s hoping he does!

    • Uncle Otis

      Ensign 
      Hey Bison Buddy…funny how it’s a goalie trade that brings you out of self imposed exile haha
      Must be smiling today.

      • Mind Bomb

        Uncle Otis Ensign  Bison Buddy lol you have a way with words sometimes O :)

      • Ensign

        Haha I was here last week. I am pretty happy though

    • mcloki

      LN-093 Ensign We totally won this trade. Frats is replaceable.

      • LN-093

        mcloki LN-093 Ensign Ya, Frats is decent but will never be a top 6 imho.

  • twitting_sg

    Yesterday, reading the “sky is falling” tweets on twitter made me very nervous about this deal. this sorta calms me down. So a question – do you work for Leafs PR? :)
    secondly, i heard (again on twitter) that Phaneuf is in play? or he could be made available. is that true? that’s just retarded.

    • sniperstar

      twitting_sg It’d be retarded if he wasn’t available. I love Phaneuf but every player has their price. To say one is untouchable is a lie.

      • lister

        sniperstar twitting_sg It would be retarded if Phaneuf was traded for a bag of pucks. If there’s a trade that makes the team stronger especially combined with another trade or free agent signing, what’s the problem?
        I thought we all understood that if Gretzky could be traded there are no untouchables?

        • Mind Bomb

          LN-093 lister sniperstar twitting_sg  Adater has been drinking !!!

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          Mind Bomb LN-093 lister sniperstar twitting_sg pffff, if they lookin at moving phaneuf they had better have a deal in place for weber !!!!

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          Mind Bomb LN-093 lister sniperstar twitting_sg pffff, if they lookin at moving phaneuf they had better have a deal in place for weber !!!!

        • Mind Bomb

          unclejakescards Mind Bomb LN-093 lister sniperstar twitting_sg  Maybe they have one lined up for Letang :)

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    i find it funny how so many people praise the leafs scouting staff  , and believe they are some of the best in the league , but still dislike this trade ….. i trust them , and believe they made a great deal for bernier . 
    especially considering the leafs goalie depth 2-3 years ago compared to now .
    wether you like it or agree with it or not , it was still expendable parts for an asset that has potential to be a vezina candidate …….

  • Mind Bomb

    Hi Anthony, Do you think he knows he has Clarkson ? He cant seriously be thinking to fill 4 holes with marliea after this team competed so hard to make  and do well in the playoffs. 
    JVR-Kadri-KEs
    Lups-Grabo-Kulie
    D’amigo   Colburne-  Carter
    MClaren-MCL-Orr

    Seriously, he had better have an astounding plan !!

    • LN-093

      Mind Bomb Is it a coincidence Frattin and Clarkson are both right wingers?  Perhaps Frattin became expendable.

    • Mind Bomb

      LN-093 Mind Bomb  We will see,.  Its nice graduating all these marlies, but I want to win, not watch more rookie mistakes in the NHL lol

    • Anthony Petrielli

      Mind Bomb All I can say is that I think the Leafs will be in on Clarkson.

      • Mind Bomb

        Anthony Petrielli Mind Bomb  Or Bickel I guess or Both

        3rd line Clarkson-Kadri-Bickle

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Mind Bomb Anthony Petrielli I bet Bickell has priced himself off of a lot teams wish lists.

  • Mind Bomb

    LN-093  MOrning LN

    • LN-093

      Mind Bomb LN-093 So, we’re in for a wild one apparently!  Even Phaneuf’s name is being thrown out there.

  • Greg Fenton

    Nothing wrong with having Bernier and Reimer for a short period of time to see if one goalie/which one “steps up” and takes the starters job. But be prepared, as soon as both play well back-to-back, we’ll have a goal tending controversy……
    And remember we may not have both of them playing together here. Nonis may shop or trade Reimer to address another weakness/need the team has while finding a more experienced back-up to play behind Bernier.

  • Uncle Otis

    Je-zuz…go away for a weekend and all hell breaks loose! lol
    I think your guess is as good as any Anthony…ie: the Leafs being unsure of Reim’s durability.
    Therefore,and I haven’t seen anyone say this yet,it may have more to do with them not feeling Scrivens has the goods to be a starter for an extended time period if James goes down
    Bottom line;
    Goaltending,like pitching in baseball,is the most important position on the team.
    Unlike Bball, a goalie doesn’t play once every 5 games
    Neither of those guys are going to be superstars IMO,so the risk is minimal while getting a potential franchise goalie.
    The only wild card is Bernier’s contract demands.If we step up and pay him long term its higher risk,so one could argue it was more financially prudent to stay status quo.
    Curious going forward to see how two guys that see themselves as #1’s fit together.

    • Greg Fenton

      Uncle Otis Its most likely not a long term situation. If the Leafs keep both goalies, which everyone proves himself during the next 1-2 years will be kept and the other will be moved/move on.

      • Uncle Otis

        Greg Fenton 
        Heard other predicting 2-3 years
        No way in sam hell either of these two are that patient.

    • Greg Fenton

      Uncle Otis Its most likely not a long term situation. If the Leafs keep both goalies, which everyone proves himself during the next 1-2 years will be kept and the other will be moved/move on.

    • Mind Bomb

      Uncle Otis  Morning O, thats just it though, Nonis and CO, do think Bernier can steal games and Be a superstar, thats the gamble they took in this deal, they did not trade for Compitent.

      • Uncle Otis

        Mind Bomb 
        Morning MB
        Did you hoover Scugog of all it’s fish? lol
        Yes to competent not being enough,and Scrivens was just that IMO.
        Tim L HAD to have imput,likely reaffirming Nonis’ beliefs.
        Looks like NoNo is just getting warmed up too

        • KingTon

          Uncle Otis Mind Bomb Apparently this trade was in talks back at the beginning of the season according to a TSN article.

        • KingTon

          Uncle Otis Mind Bomb Apparently this trade was in talks back at the beginning of the season according to a TSN article.

        • Mind Bomb

          Uncle Otis Mind Bomb  Hey O we did ok on the Bass, some 3/4 pounders, fun fight. We got skunked on the muskee, Still we managed to catch a ton of Brown bottles :)

        • Mind Bomb

          Uncle Otis Mind Bomb  Hey O we did ok on the Bass, some 3/4 pounders, fun fight. We got skunked on the muskee, Still we managed to catch a ton of Brown bottles :)

        • Doorman

          Mind Bomb Uncle Otis If You want to catch Muskee;  You got to use the neighbours cat!!!

        • Mind Bomb

          Doorman Mind Bomb Uncle Otis  Hhahahha

        • Mind Bomb

          Doorman Mind Bomb Uncle Otis  Hhahahha

        • Uncle Otis

          Mind Bomb 
          My kinda trollin’!
          Bass are good eating at that size…just need a sharp knife.
          And brownies are my fav catch too.:)

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/SunGarriochA league executive on trade talk heating up; “There is a lot happening right now. Could be an active week.” Lots of teams need to cut salary

    • Great Dane

      Burtonboy Nonis I believe that lined up his chips for some trading this week.  Draft day will bring a major trade for the Leafs

    • Great Dane

      Burtonboy Nonis I believe that lined up his chips for some trading this week.  Draft day will bring a major trade for the Leafs

  • Faalcon

    Good trade for Nonis. One has to take chances and Reimer by himself although good is not enough. I hope Bernier pans out for us. Nothing ventured nothing gained. Now Nonis go forward and get us a center and another D man, and we will be good to go.

  • Ensign

    I’ve been out of the loop for awhile. Where are we with figuring out our number one C

    • mcloki

      Ensign hey stranger where ya been. We miss you, you know.

      • Ensign

        New job means no access outside of my iPhone which is annoying

        • Doorman

          Ensign Now you have a real Job!!!  lol

        • Uncle Otis

          Doorman 
          DOORMAN!!…how the hell are ya?
          Seems we are never around at the same time lately…hope you are steering clear of Calgary on your routes.
          To hell with kitties for Muskie…bring some groundhogs.
          They grow ’em big up at the Pointe.
          Swallow ya whole !!

        • Doorman

          Uncle Otis Doorman It,s always nice to take the neighbours cat fishing!!!  Lol
          Flying in on the ninth of Aug. Lets get the dates down!  I want my $25  lol

        • Uncle Otis

          Doorman 
          9th now?…was thinking you said @ Aug1
          Damn,will have to check calendar as that’s family holidays and wife was thinking road trip out East…how long u there for?
          And the way NoNo is all wound up,that $25 doesn’t look so safe anymore haha
          Don’t spend it just yet!

        • Doorman

          Uncle Otis Doorman Till the 30th!

        • Uncle Otis

          Doorman 
          We’re laughing then…will have to exchange contacts etc as the date approaches.
          Tried to post a pic of the Muskie some dude nailed last year up there,but the new system seems incapable.
          Facking thing had to be 50-60 lbs!

        • Uncle Otis

          Doorman 
          We’re laughing then…will have to exchange contacts etc as the date approaches.
          Tried to post a pic of the Muskie some dude nailed last year up there,but the new system seems incapable.
          Facking thing had to be 50-60 lbs!

        • Mind Bomb

          Doorman Uncle Otis What Area ?

        • Doorman

          Mind Bomb Doorman Uncle Otis see e-mail  North of parry sound!

        • Uncle Otis

          Mind Bomb Doorman 
          You in MB? Could be fun :)

        • Doorman

          Uncle Otis Mind Bomb Doorman I will delete the e add in five minutes!  lol

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Doorman Uncle Otis Mind Bomb Too late, I’ve already alerted the NSA.

        • Doorman

          Bobsyouruncle Doorman Uncle Otis Mind Bomb I was waiting for you!!!  lol  The short bus dropped you off early today!!!  LOL

        • Uncle Otis

          Doorman @Mind Bomb
          Sorry,in/out here this AM…will send that email now

        • Doorman

          Uncle Otis Doorman 10/4

        • Uncle Otis

          Doorman 
          Except your emails gone…how did u do that?
          #magic

    • Mind Bomb

      Ensign  We are no where close that we  know of for a 1C other than Kadri :)

      • mcloki

        Mind Bomb Ensign I think we need to wait till compliance buyouts and draft day. That may shake up some stuff.

        • Ensign

          Like who? Can’t see a legit number one C being bought out

      • Ensign

        That’s what I thought. No rumours?

        • mcloki

          Ensign Stasny was one of the fallouts that could be shaken loose. It’s more a feature of people trying to stay under the cap

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki Ensign These Dion for Stastny rumours are hilarious.

        • mcloki

          ingy56 mcloki Ensign Was it a Dion for Stazny rumour. I thought Dion was going to Edmonton for gagner.  It’s silly season. so hard to keep track of all thee rumours.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki ingy56 Ensign Saw a couple of tweets this morning referring to it…I just assumed it was out there. Haven’t checked the usual scandal sheets.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          LN-093 ingy56 mcloki Ensign Yeah that’s it , Dion for Stastny came for Adater….usually a decent source.

        • mcloki

          ingy56 LN-093 mcloki Ensign That’s a bit weak coming back to Toronto.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki ingy56 LN-093 Ensign Thrown Duchene’s name and there and maybe we’re talking.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki ingy56 LN-093 Ensign Thrown Duchene’s name and there and maybe we’re talking.

        • LN-093

          ingy56 LN-093 mcloki Ensign Hey, I think we should keep Dion.  Don’t shoot the messenger!!

      • LN-093

        Mind Bomb Ensign Unless it’s Joe Thornton or Mike Richards I say we go with Kadri and Bozak.  Get rid of Grabo’s contract and get a 1B defender.

      • Mind Bomb

        LN-093 Mind Bomb Ensign I would Keep Grabo, I like him, he just had an off year, He brings some crazy to this team lol

      • mcloki

        Mind Bomb LN-093 Ensign We got MacLaren for that.

      • mcloki

        Mind Bomb LN-093 Ensign We got MacLaren for that.

      • Mind Bomb

        mcloki Mind Bomb LN-093 Ensign True, I guess, just have a soft spot for the little weeble, He keeps coming Back and he is skillled

  • Jay_Berg

    This article destroys Cameron’s theory that goalies get traded for peanuts

    • mcloki

      Jay_Berg Not completely, depends on your definition of peanuts.

      • Jay_Berg

        Well most of the guys in this list were relatively unproven and trading 2 second round picks or a top prospect at the time like Eller is significant IMO.

        • Bobsyouruncle

          Jay_Berg Cameron mentioned the Eller trade yesterday I think and when that trade happened most people said Montreal got shit (not me  lol) no-matter what people may think of Eller now.

        • Jay_Berg

          There’s also the Luongo trade which had Bertuzzi going back the other way who at the time was one of the best if not THE best power forward in the game.

        • leafmealone

          Jay_Berg I don’t think Bertuzzi was ever the same after the Steve Moore incident personally. And the situation in Van had become toxic for him anyway. It was a move done under pressure to get him out of town. You can’t ignore context.

        • leafmealone

          Jay_Berg I don’t think Bertuzzi was ever the same after the Steve Moore incident personally. And the situation in Van had become toxic for him anyway. It was a move done under pressure to get him out of town. You can’t ignore context.

      • Jay_Berg

        Well most of the guys in this list were relatively unproven and trading 2 second round picks or a top prospect at the time like Eller is significant IMO.

    • wendelsfist

      Jay_Berg Bobrovsky got traded for 2nd and 4th pick. Mason for 3rd.  The value depends on what others think the value of the goalie

    • wendelsfist

      Jay_Berg Bobrovsky got traded for 2nd and 4th pick. Mason for 3rd.  The value depends on what others think the value of the goalie

  • Doorman

    Thanks Anthony!  I like the trade!!  Net is now solid.  Time to get that #1 center and Dions playmate!!!

    • Mind Bomb

      Doorman  We all want Dion’s Playmate :)

      • Doorman

        Mind Bomb Doorman Too bad she cant play fucking Hockey!!!  lol

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Doorman Mind Bomb Pretty sure she can stickhandle!

        • Mind Bomb

          Doorman Mind Bomb  Better not be a goalie, everyone in the NHL will be trying to score P

        • Mind Bomb

          Doorman Mind Bomb  Better not be a goalie, everyone in the NHL will be trying to score P

        • Doorman

          ingy56 Doorman Mind Bomb So can bernie!!!  lol

        • Doorman

          ingy56 Doorman Mind Bomb So can bernie!!!  lol

        • Mind Bomb

          Doorman ingy56 Mind Bomb  Yes Doorman, A goalie that can handle the puck, I am excited for that

        • Uncle Otis

          ingy56 
          With a high stick for a butt end 😉

  • PrairieLeafFan

    Well…left home yesterday for Orlando, Cisco trade conference, check MLHS to see if there were any more draft profiles…did not expect so much to happen in a little over 24 hours. Must say I like it but with a few reservations like most here lol

  • LN-093

    Here’s my fearless prediction.  The Leafs will hold on to both Bernier and keep Reimer as insurance next season to see if Bernier is truly a number one goalie.  If Bernier lives up to his billing, Reimer will be traded next off season.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    LN-093 I saw a rumour this morning that the Leafs may still yet pick up another goaltender for depth.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      LN-093 ingy56 I would suspect it will be a low cost vet or another young goaltender who still has waiver options.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      LN-093 ingy56 I would suspect it will be a low cost vet or another young goaltender who still has waiver options.

    • LN-093

      ingy56 LN-093 Yep. And the draft is coming up with Edmonton needing a goalie.  Reimer is from the west, our 1st round pick plus Reimer for Edmonton’s number 1??  We were conjuring this before the weekend.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      LN-093 ingy56 LOL..I don’t think it will be as big a deal as that.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      LN-093 ingy56 True that.

    • phaneufoundlander

      for the Oilers 7th pick !! :)

    • djamon

      LN-093 McIntyre is older than dirt. He’s an AHL’r for life.

  • Claymish

    I have a great idea…maybe the games Reimer starts we can have Bernier play center with Kessel,lol.

  • Claymish

    I have a great idea…maybe the games Reimer starts we can have Bernier play center with Kessel,lol.

  • Burtonboy

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/06/23/edmonton-oilers-are-the-frontrunners-to-sign-paul-ranger/
    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/06/23/edmonton-oilers-are-the-frontrunners-to-sign-paul-ranger/

    • peterbleafs

      Burtonboy Now we know at least one player Eakins will take with him.

      • Mind Bomb

        peterbleafs Burtonboy  Ranger is a Bitch, oh I dont want to play NHL hockey, its to much, blah blah, 
         I will have given my left nut to play for the leafs in a top 4 capacity and he spurns it, then pisses on the opportunity to go elsewhere 

        Bah

      • peterbleafs

        Burtonboy Im indifferent, Ranger is more an offensive guy and Edmonton needs defensive guys, so I think Ranger going there is a mistake and he will not shine.  We have lots of offensive talent on our D so he wont be missed.

    • KingTon

      Burtonboy Shouldn’t that bastard give us first option.

    • mcloki

      Burtonboy no good deed goes unpunished

    • mcloki

      Burtonboy no good deed goes unpunished

      • Burtonboy

        mcloki Burtonboy If he plays like he did the last 1/2 of the Marlies season he won’t make the Oilers let alone the Leafs

    • phaneufoundlander

      Fuck you Ranger, if you sign with the Oilers, you are a low life piece of shit….The Leafs are the ones who gave you a fucking chance and smoothed you down until you were ready to get over your personal BS…

  • Burtonboy

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/06/23/edmonton-oilers-are-the-frontrunners-to-sign-paul-ranger/
    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2013/06/23/edmonton-oilers-are-the-frontrunners-to-sign-paul-ranger/

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/koshtorontosunhttps://twitter.com/koshtorontosun/status/349168275852247042
    No intention on Tomas Kaberle’s part to retire from https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NHL&src=hash once Canadiens buy him out. Will spend summer working with trainer Darryl Belfry

    • Irishfanman

      ingy56 The summer aint long enough for that!

    • Irishfanman

      ingy56 The summer aint long enough for that!

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Irishfanman ingy56 My thoughts exactly.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          LN-093 ingy56 Irishfanman No doubt, he was a good Leaf too, but his time is up.

    • Mind Bomb

      ingy56  Nonis signs Him and Redden for a Mil Each as are 5th and 6th pairing lol

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Mind Bomb ingy56 Then trades them to Boston at the deadline for two firsts and a second. Hahaha…

        • Mind Bomb

          ingy56 Mind Bomb Hahhahha

      • KingTon

        Mind Bomb ingy56 If we sign him it better be to clean out the locker rooms.  This guy has gone down hill fast since leaving the leafs.

    • phaneufoundlander

      baha, boy did Burke ever fleece Chirelli on that soft ass bum !!

  • KingTon

    So if the dirt bag bruins win tonight, when does it end … Wednesday?

    • mcloki

      KingTon And no colpliance buyouts till Friday

  • phaneufoundlander

    How’s everyone feeling today about the trade? Sad to say this, but it reminds me of the Leafs acquiring Raycroft hoping we had our long waited legit # 1….let’s hope I’m f’ing wrong!!  Gonna miss Fratty though, really had high hopes for the kid and loved watching him play….I still think he will be a solid 25-30 goal scorer for a long time

    • playoff nut

      phaneufoundlander me 3 ,hope and a smoke

      • playoff nut

        LN-093 playoff nut phaneufoundlander I really really hope so ,but…. we still are taking the 2 for 1 chance

      • playoff nut

        LN-093 playoff nut phaneufoundlander I really really hope so ,but…. we still are taking the 2 for 1 chance

    • peterbleafs

      phaneufoundlander Im good with it.  Scrivens is redundant with Bernier coming in.  Frattin is replaceable within our own organization, the 2nd rounder bugs me but its a few years out maybe.  What I do like is we have two legitimate number one calibre goalies.

    • Mind Bomb

      phaneufoundlander  Morning Lander,  for me its Done, he is a Leaf now so I Think he is now automatically better than Price, we have the Best goalie in our Division and we are winning the Cup nezt year.

      • phaneufoundlander

        Agreed, all the way next year….

    • Doorman

      phaneufoundlander Your Wrong!!!

      • Mind Bomb

        Doorman phaneufoundlander  Its happened before D man, I get over it real quick lol

        • Doorman

          Mind Bomb Doorman phaneufoundlander Not You!  The Fucking Newf!!!  Lol

        • Mind Bomb

          Doorman Mind Bomb phaneufoundlander hahhahahah opps

        • phaneufoundlander

          Yes, we are fucking Newfs…we have more sex than any other province in Canada, check the stats :)

        • Mind Bomb

          phaneufoundlander  Is that with a partner or solo ????

          :)

        • mcloki

          LN-093 phaneufoundlander What else is there to do? Can’t fish.

      • phaneufoundlander

        Lets hope…but its not etched in stone yet D man..Im sure we all thought the same when we aquired Toskaloss and Raysoft

        • Doorman

          phaneufoundlander No worries!!!  lol

        • Doorman

          phaneufoundlander No worries!!!  lol

    • djamon

      phaneufoundlander The fact that they brought in essentially a 1B goalie tells me they though very little about Scrivens and Frattin. I think it’s questionable that Frattin even makes the Kings.

    • DWCMLHS

      Silly trade to make when we already have a #1 goalie with the same career save percentage as Price, Miller, Anderson and Quick. I didn’t like Scrivens all that much as a backup, but we could have just signed a veteran backup. Frattin, Scrivens and a 2nd is a package that could have been used to bring in something we actually need, like a top-4 Dman.

      • Leafbites

        DWCMLHS If Scriv, Frats & 2nd lands a top 4 dman, then Leafs have other auxiliary pieces to make this acquisition. That argument is asinine.

        • DWCMLHS

          Not really. Just because we have more assets doesn’t mean we can just toss them around for things we don’t need. We definitely can’t afford to move any more forwards now, especially if we don’t re-sign Mac. We can’t afford to move any Dmen right now, either. The only assets we have left are picks and prospects. And most don’t want to move our picks this season.

      • Bobsyouruncle

        DWCMLHS Not to argue, just to weigh in, I like the deal. Nothing against Scrivens or Reimer but if the potential is reached maybe we won’t ever need to talk about the Rask trade ever again. That’s gotta be worth something.  lol

        • DWCMLHS

          We will never stop hearing about the Rask trade.

      • djamon

        DWCMLHS Scrivens, Frattin and a 2nd do not get us a top 4 D-man. If so, it would have been done.
        I agree that goalie wasn’t necessarily a position of need, but we ARE better today than yesterday and the cost was negligible (despite the irrational Frattin-love).

        • DWCMLHS

          How are we better? We got what is right now just a marginal upgrade on our backup goalie. That’s not a significant change. Losing Frattin isn’t a huge deal, either, but we already lost a winger in Komarov this off-season. The forward depth that the team had is disappearing quickly, especially if we don’t bring back Mac. How many UFAs do you want to overpay for?
          Just wondering: did you want to move Frattin+ for Bernier when the rumours re-surfaced earlier this week?

        • Greg Fenton

          DWCMLHS Clearly Nonis and Carlyle weren’t convinced Reimer is/will/can be the #1 guy moving forward. He has had some concusion issues, he has missed 31 games the last 2 seasons, and he let the Bruins win that game 7. So they added some high quality depth to the position. 
          Even if they aren’t worried about Reimer’s health or play in the playoffs, they might just feel that Bernier has a higher ceiling.

        • Greg Fenton

          DWCMLHS And at hte end of the day, he didn’t give up much to get him. Scrivens, who was upgraded on. Frattin, a 3rd line winger, and 2nd round pick. Not that much for a gaolie with Bernier’s potential

        • Greg Fenton

          DWCMLHS And at hte end of the day, he didn’t give up much to get him. Scrivens, who was upgraded on. Frattin, a 3rd line winger, and 2nd round pick. Not that much for a gaolie with Bernier’s potential

        • Bobsyouruncle

          DWCMLHS We know this deal has been thought about for a long time. Scouts have been watching Bernier for a while and are clearly convinced that he could be something special. It’s not like Nonis made a spur of the moment decision.    
          We pay scouts for their expertise. If we’re not going to use their advice we might as well not have any.

  • Dink

    Jay_Berg  doesn’t look like it improved anything

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/NHLBruinshttps://twitter.com/NHLBruins/status/349173620620275712
    Patrice Bergeron the only Bruin not on the ice for morning skate ^CS

    • Mind Bomb

      ingy56  Gee thats to bad, :)

    • Bobsyouruncle

      ingy56 Small sample…but   
      2012-13 Reg Season face-offs vs Bergeron   
      Bozak 11W – 14L   
      Grabovski 11W – 10L

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Bobsyouruncle ingy56 Hmmm…not too bad.

        • Dink

          ingy56 Bobsyouruncle Hawks will end it tonight :)

  • newkb

    Looks soft and weak….but we would at least get a top draft pick next year! If you trade Dion, you might as well trade kessel and lupul, and start yet another rebuild.

    • mcloki

      newkb How wise is that. Not really. We have the youngest team in the league. We just got younger by trading Scrivens and Frattin.

      • newkb

        The reason you would do that is the window to win would be pushed 3-5 years out…definitely not my idea, but if that is the direction you take, you trade them. You think Kessel is going to want to resign here to go through another few years of building/rebuilding after getting a taste of the playoffs? And Lupul’s value and play are tops now…so you move them both for more age appropriate assets.

    • mcloki

      newkb How wise is that. Not really. We have the youngest team in the league. We just got younger by trading Scrivens and Frattin.

  • Mind Bomb

    LN-093  Its wide open now, I would think that Van will have to buy him out, as a free agent he could land a lot of places, say philly, that would be scary

    • Doorman

      Mind Bomb LN-093 Did you get the e-ADD???

      • Uncle Otis

        Doorman Mind Bomb 
        Need that email again D-Man…too slow on the draw
        You coming fishing(drinking) with us MB?

      • Mind Bomb

        Doorman Mind Bomb LN-093  Whats an E-add ?

      • Mind Bomb

        Doorman Mind Bomb LN-093  Whats an E-add ?

      • Doorman

        Mind Bomb Doorman LN-093 Scroll down !  Fuck me!!!  lol

      • Uncle Otis

        Doorman Mind Bomb 
        Found it/sent it/we’re all hooked up D-Man

      • Doorman

        Uncle Otis Doorman Mind Bomb I have already sent a reply!  Now where the fuck is MB???  lol

      • Uncle Otis

        Doorman Uncle Otis Mind Bomb 
        I think we scared him off…again lol

      • Doorman

        Uncle Otis Doorman Mind Bomb Im going to delete it again!  you can hook up with him or he can get a hold of me through the FL!!!  Lol  E_Add is e-mail address MB!!!  lol

      • Doorman

        Uncle Otis Doorman Mind Bomb Id Leave My e-mail address up:  But Ingy would send me 10,000 watch tower spams!!!  LOL

      • wiski

        Doorman Uncle Otis Mind Bomb You’re the spammer 😉

      • Doorman

        wiski Doorman Uncle Otis Mind Bomb That was a buddy from Turkey!!!  Lol

      • Doorman

        wiski Doorman Uncle Otis Mind Bomb That was a buddy from Turkey!!!  Lol

      • wiski

        Doorman wiski Uncle Otis Mind Bomb Glad you tightened that ship up 😉 Is the flooding going down over there?

      • Doorman

        wiski Doorman Uncle Otis Mind Bomb Yea;  She is drying out!!!  There is a big fucking mess to clean though!  Downtown is closed till at least Wed.

      • wiski

        Doorman wiski Uncle Otis Mind Bomb good to hear

      • Uncle Otis

        Doorman Uncle Otis
        Excellent…tell MB is he doesn’t get with it we’ll cab Wiski down from Quebec
        Out for a bit now…cheers

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    LN-093 I’m guessing Florida or possibly the Islanders. Depends if he’s bought out or if Gillis finds a sucker.

    • mcloki

      ingy56 LN-093 Gillis is the sucker. There’s no way that anyone trades for Luongo. Let Gillis stew. 
      May he and Torts be miserable together.

  • Area49th

    LN-093 Torts and the Sedins and Luongo situation . This will require popcorn.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Area49th LN-093 Luongo won’t make training camp with the Canucks though. He’ll be gone next week.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        LN-093 ingy56 Area49th Haha…nope

      • JMAC17

        LN-093 ingy56 Area49th for sure…he post stuff like this all the time..feel for the guy really (excluding the millions of dollars he makes of course)

  • peterbleafs

    LN-093 Here is what Vancouver does.  Trades Luongo to Philadelphia for Kimmo Timmonen and Phillys 1st rounder.  Then Philly buyout Bryzgalov and Vancouver buyout Timmonen.  Philly gain cap space of $5.5million and Vancouver gain capspace and get a 1st round which they include in a secondary trade if they so choose.  Basically they get a 1st for Luongo, Philly gets a high quality goalie and Timmonen hits the market.

  • Dink

    I think Nonis is a more calculating cuss than Burke and literally plans things way in advance. 
    I also think other GM’s like him to deal with. This being said, I have no doubt that Leafs management have a few tricks up their sleeves and trades will be involved. 
    The team will look different by September…

    • wendelsfist

      @Dink According to Nonis, they were in on the Bernier trade last year and so Burke wanted him as well.  This is the time however that the kings needed to deal him (expiring RFA and they have no cap room).

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    One of the stats geeks is of the opinion that the Leafs gave up 5 assets for Bernier…2 players, a pick and two salary retention spots. Jeesssus…that’s a reach.

    • mcloki

      ingy56 Idiots abound.

    • mcloki

      ingy56 Idiots abound.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        mcloki ingy56 Some people are never happy and just like to criticize. Think it makes them appear smart.

        • mcloki

          ingy56 mcloki You know what makes them look smarter. Actually being smarter. That’s why i stay way form the other boards. The idiot ratio is way off the charts. Here it’s pretty sporadic.

        • djamon

          mcloki Heeeyyyy…I heard that.

        • djamon

          mcloki Heeeyyyy…I heard that.

        • wendelsfist

          mcloki ingy56 Their glass is half empty.  But even then it half of that much.  In fact, there is nothing in the glass and for that matter there is not even a glass.

    • Bobsyouruncle

      ingy56 Read some last night. Seems like a lot of cynics over there always ready to think the worst.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Bobsyouruncle ingy56 I think they are paralyzed by the fear of trading any player. There’s always the slightest chance that player could be the next coming you know.

    • Bobsyouruncle

      ingy56 Read some last night. Seems like a lot of cynics over there always ready to think the worst.

    • leafmealone

      ingy56 Are we sure that he retained some of each salary, and not 500k of Frattin or Scrivens alone?

  • JMAC17

    LN-093 Who knows now, but he is freaking funny on twitter…https://twitter.com/strombone1https://twitter.com/strombone1/status/349004940070502401
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23NOCOMMENT&src=hash

  • Cameron19

    If I were them, I would strongly consider trading Schneider and keeping Luongo, then using my buyouts on Booth and Ballard.

    • djamon

      Cameron19 Me too. But I think if they were going to do that they would have canned Gillis too. Plus I’m not sure whether Luongo would even want to stay in Van after all this BS.

      • Cameron19

        I just don’t know who would trade for him at this point….

      • Cameron19

        I just don’t know who would trade for him at this point….

      • djamon

        Cameron19 As you know, I’m constantly wrong about this league, but I still see someone jumping the gun and trading something for him. I just can’t see Gillis buying him out after all the shit he’s said the past year. He would have just asked them to fire him to avoid it.

  • Jay_Berg

    Don’t know if this was posted already but obviously Reimer is not all that impressed with the Bernier trade.
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/24/reimer-feels-doubted-after-bernier-trade/

    • mcloki

      Jay_Berg He’ll get over it. Just play well and this all goes away.

      • LN-093

        mcloki Jay_Berg Maybe Nonis and all are looking at the game 7 nightmare and blaming Reimer and Frattin.  Personall, I don’t think it’s fair but we do need to get more poise and gumption if we’re in that situation again.

      • mcloki

        LN-093 mcloki Jay_Berg And if your goalie is going to fall to pieces at the slightest provocation. This is just trumped up bullshit form the media trying to make a mountain and “goalie controversy” out of nothing.

        I predict the idiots on HC in half and hour. bring up goalie controversy immediately.

      • Area49th

        LN-093 mcloki Jay_Berg We need a good faceoff man. Our Face offs were terrible

      • Area49th

        LN-093 mcloki Jay_Berg We need a good faceoff man. Our Face offs were terrible

      • LN-093

        mcloki LN-093 Jay_Berg Personally, I believe Bernier was brought in to be the number 1.  I don’t buy the whole, “let them fight for the number 1 spot”.  Nonis is making a calculated gamble that Bernier is going to be a star.

      • djamon

        LN-093 I agree. You don’t trade 3 assets for a backup goalie.

      • JMAC17

        LN-093 mcloki Jay_Berg He still has to take the net from Reimer…not matter what he was brought in for RC is going to play who is winning games.  Bernier is going to have to play pretty awesome to outshine Reimer.

    • Anthony Petrielli

      Jay_Berg Linked this in the article. Original article in the Sun.

  • mcloki

    @Dink What do you do with Bernier? Backup. Not bloody likely.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/NHLBlackhawkshttps://twitter.com/NHLBlackhawks/status/349186418339360769
    Jonathan Toews is taking the ice for Game 6 morning skate.

  • Bobsyouruncle

    @Dink Were you and peterbleafs separated at birth? (sorry peter  lol)

    • Dink

      Bobsyourunclelol was just a creative way to make something out of all this

  • Jay_Berg

    My initial thoughts were that obviously Bernier and Reimer would split and compete for playing time. Good healthy competition.
    But Nonis was fairly vocal previously that he wanted to get a vet backup and that the leafs were too inexperienced in goal. Getting Bernier obviously does not solve that need.
    I am NOT wanting to trade Reimer but I’m starting to think it could be a possibility now. Literally anything could happen this week, very bizarre times right now.

    • Area49th

      Jay_Berg Yeah, I could see Remer being offered, not happy with it but we have a few pieces yet to get

    • Greg Fenton

      Jay_Berg I think a Reimer trade might be coming as well. 
      This could also be Noni’s (And maybe Carlyle and may Leiweke) putting his mark/stamp on his team. Burke saw Reimer as his goalie of the future, Nonis made a change. We might be about to see a few big moves like that with the new guys making the Leafs “theirs”. We all saw the team slowly become “Burkes” when he got here, this may just be the first move in making the team “Nonis’s”.

      • Pent_House

        Greg Fenton Jay_Berg please stop with the leiweike paranoia

      • Pent_House

        Greg Fenton Jay_Berg please stop with the leiweike paranoia

        • Greg Fenton

          Pent_House Greg Fenton Jay_Berg Speculating that a new GM, fairly new coach and new president might want to make some changes to what is still mostly Burkes team isn’t paranoia.

        • Pent_House

          Greg Fenton Pent_House Jay_Berg Yes it is. He said he wasn’t going to meddle in hockey ops, and this deal has been in the works long before he came to the organization.

        • Greg Fenton

          Pent_House Greg Fenton Jay_Berg He was also a very hands on president with the Kings, Lakers and Galaxy. 
          Paranoia also implies we don’t want him having an influence in Hockey opperations, thats the not the case.

        • wendelsfist

          Greg Fenton Pent_House Jay_Berg Nonis didn’t do much after Burke was let go in Vancouver.  He did trade for Luongo and made some smaller changes but ran with much of the existing core.

        • wendelsfist

          Greg Fenton Pent_House Jay_Berg Nonis didn’t do much after Burke was let go in Vancouver.  He did trade for Luongo and made some smaller changes but ran with much of the existing core.

        • Pent_House

          wendelsfist Greg Fenton Pent_House Jay_Berg arguing your own point?

        • Greg Fenton

          wendelsfist Greg Fenton Pent_House Jay_Berg I would call moving out arguable the Canucks best player for maybe the best goalie in the league (at the time) a pretty big move and change. 
          Though at the time, the thought/perception/story (whatever) was that Nonis was fired for not making the changes after the canucks missed the playoffs twice in three years. He might be taking a different approach this time
          He might have also liked that Canuck team better. 
          There area a tone of “what ifs”, I’m just saying that this MIGHT be the first move of many/several as the new people change the team to what they want it to be. Everyone knew and accepted thats what Burke was doing for the first 2-3 years he was here, why wouldn’t Nonis/Carlyle/Leiweke do the same?

        • Greg Fenton

          wendelsfist Greg Fenton Pent_House Jay_Berg I would call moving out arguable the Canucks best player for maybe the best goalie in the league (at the time) a pretty big move and change. 
          Though at the time, the thought/perception/story (whatever) was that Nonis was fired for not making the changes after the canucks missed the playoffs twice in three years. He might be taking a different approach this time
          He might have also liked that Canuck team better. 
          There area a tone of “what ifs”, I’m just saying that this MIGHT be the first move of many/several as the new people change the team to what they want it to be. Everyone knew and accepted thats what Burke was doing for the first 2-3 years he was here, why wouldn’t Nonis/Carlyle/Leiweke do the same?

        • leafmealone

          wendelsfist Greg Fenton Pent_House Jay_Berg Lombardi sat on his ass and made no major moves for four years before he made the Richards trade. Where was Liewike’s hands-on approach during that time?

        • Greg Fenton

          leafmealone wendelsfist Greg Fenton Pent_House Jay_Berg He was letting him rebuild. Lombardi talked about that at one of the drafts, saying he had offers for the pick but the team was letting him build through the draft. 
          Not really sure what one situation has to do with another.

        • leafmealone

          Greg Fenton leafmealone wendelsfist Pent_House Jay_Berg Most teams are more aggressive at making moves in a rebuild than they are when they are one or two moves away from contention.
          And this deal was pushed by Nonis as soon as the lockout was over. At that time, our current President was employed by the other team.
          Not to mention that Lewieke’s been crystal clear in all of his interview’s that he’s leaving a team being run well and on the rise to the people who’s job it is to have it in their hands. He’s got bigger problems with the Raps and TFC, that’s where he’s meddling right now if it’s anywhere. And as both of those teams just went out and hired pretty much the most respected management minds to be had, I’d say he’s more than likely to let them do their thing as well.
          You’re just trying to argue a wild hypothesis with whatever facts you can twist to suit your needs.

        • leafmealone

          Greg Fenton leafmealone wendelsfist Pent_House Jay_Berg Most teams are more aggressive at making moves in a rebuild than they are when they are one or two moves away from contention.
          And this deal was pushed by Nonis as soon as the lockout was over. At that time, our current President was employed by the other team.
          Not to mention that Lewieke’s been crystal clear in all of his interview’s that he’s leaving a team being run well and on the rise to the people who’s job it is to have it in their hands. He’s got bigger problems with the Raps and TFC, that’s where he’s meddling right now if it’s anywhere. And as both of those teams just went out and hired pretty much the most respected management minds to be had, I’d say he’s more than likely to let them do their thing as well.
          You’re just trying to argue a wild hypothesis with whatever facts you can twist to suit your needs.

        • Greg Fenton

          leafmealone Greg Fenton wendelsfist Pent_House Jay_Berg I didn’t say it was 100% Leiweke or that he pushed for the deal – I said this coul dbe the first move of several of Nonis/Carlyle/Leiweke want to make the team theirs and not Burkes. You’re making an argument against something I didn’t say. 
          Also, Leiweke can say whatever he wants publicly, doesn’t mean thats what happening.  Unless you’re working in that office you have no idea how much influence Leiweke has over hockey and your’e trying to argue a wild hypothesis with whatever facts you can twist to suit your needs.

        • leafmealone

          Greg Fenton leafmealone wendelsfist Pent_House Jay_Berg First off, Carlyle has no pull in any of this. His opinion is taken into consideration. But that’s it. And while I may not be in that office, Successful billion dollar business’ like Rogers and Bell didn’t hire a President of their company to be the GM of their teams. They hired the best minds they could get to do that for them. They hired Lewieke to oversee things (and to bring them an NFL team, book it).
          The point myself and others have been trying to make, is that there’s no need to paint this as a three headed monster of a conspiracy to erase Burke’s fingerprints from the team. That’s not how things are done. You have to accept that even Burke himself would be making a number of moves this offseason. He’s never been one to sit on his hands regardless of the on-ice success or failure of his clubs. And he would likely have been more active than Nonis, as he was in the middle of trying to turn over his personnel from a team he had built to suit RW, to a team that would suit the style of RC. And that’s no small task.
          Nonis is just doing what good GM’s do. Trying whatever he thinks is the best thing to improve his team. It doesn’t have to be for any special reason like removing Burke’s imprint. It’s just what he would do in the normal course of business.

        • leafmealone

          Greg Fenton leafmealone wendelsfist Pent_House Jay_Berg First off, Carlyle has no pull in any of this. His opinion is taken into consideration. But that’s it. And while I may not be in that office, Successful billion dollar business’ like Rogers and Bell didn’t hire a President of their company to be the GM of their teams. They hired the best minds they could get to do that for them. They hired Lewieke to oversee things (and to bring them an NFL team, book it).
          The point myself and others have been trying to make, is that there’s no need to paint this as a three headed monster of a conspiracy to erase Burke’s fingerprints from the team. That’s not how things are done. You have to accept that even Burke himself would be making a number of moves this offseason. He’s never been one to sit on his hands regardless of the on-ice success or failure of his clubs. And he would likely have been more active than Nonis, as he was in the middle of trying to turn over his personnel from a team he had built to suit RW, to a team that would suit the style of RC. And that’s no small task.
          Nonis is just doing what good GM’s do. Trying whatever he thinks is the best thing to improve his team. It doesn’t have to be for any special reason like removing Burke’s imprint. It’s just what he would do in the normal course of business.

        • Greg Fenton

          leafmealone Greg Fenton wendelsfist Pent_House Jay_Berg And maybe Carlyles opinion was “I don’t want Reimer was my only option” and he might want a different group of players then what Burke put together. And successful billion dollar bsinesses don’t have coachs and GM’s who aren’t on the same page as one another. 
          Leiweke is the boss there now, he was very hands on with the LA teams and apparently is hands on with the Raptors and TFC, so to assume he isn’t doing anything regarding the biggest, most important team he is running now…..little naive. That doesn’t mean he is making all the decisions and working Nonis like a sock puppet, but to think he isn’t doing anything…….
          I didn’t paint it as a 3 headed monster to erase Burkes finger prints. Its normal for a new GM, new coach, new president to “put their stamp”on the team. You’re the ones adding this negative take on it, not me. Everyone accept Burke doing it for 2-3 years when he was here. Burke would active if he was still, but he might not have brought in what appears to be a replacement for the goalie he was behind for 2-3 years.

      • Cameron19

        Might as well just start a complete rebuild if you trade Phaneuf.  We could spend a decade trying to replace him.  Top ten defenders in the league are extremely rare, and only idiots let them go.

      • Greg Fenton

        Cameron19 They are rare. So rare that the Leafs don’t have one.

      • Cameron19

        They do, whether you and the other less intelligent members of this fan base think so or not.

      • Greg Fenton

        LN-093 Greg Fenton Jay_Berg I’m just speculating. This might just be a goalie with great potential they wanted to jump on, or it might be the first move of Nonis and co. changing the team to what they want it to be. 
        If its the latter, I would assume that in the next year or so we might see some players like Phaneuf and Kessel and Grabovski etc… moved out and replaced. Depends if thats what this is, and if it is, what changes the newguys want to make

      • Pent_House

        LN-093 That would be a done deal

      • Greg Fenton

        Cameron19 LMAO

      • Greg Fenton

        Cameron19 LMAO

      • Greg Fenton

        LN-093 Right now, no, I wouldn’t.

      • Bobsyouruncle

        Greg Fenton LN-093 Jay_Berg Nonis just spent a few years building what we have. Why would he tear down what he built. We make the play-off for the first time, so let’s tear it down? Doesn’t make sense.

      • Bobsyouruncle

        Greg Fenton LN-093 Jay_Berg Nonis just spent a few years building what we have. Why would he tear down what he built. We make the play-off for the first time, so let’s tear it down? Doesn’t make sense.

      • djamon

        Cameron19 Trick question…how many Top 10 defenders do you think there actually are?

      • Bobsyouruncle

        LN-093 I’d sign off on that deal.

      • wiski

        djamon Cameron19 Every team has one 😉

      • wiski

        djamon Cameron19 Every team has one 😉

      • Greg Fenton

        Bobsyouruncle Greg Fenton LN-093 Jay_Berg He spent a few years helping Burke build what we have. He may have some different ideas or wants. His coach may want something different, the president may want something different.

      • Greg Fenton

        LN-093 Bobsyouruncle Kessel will be able to demand 8+ million a year. Thats the biggest issue/problem/concern with resigning him. 
        He isn’t consistent and even the biggest Kessel supports still say he needs a great center to play to his peak, meaning he isn’t that great player who can/will elevate other players. I don’t think he is worth 8+ million a year, at least not from what he has shown during his time with the Leafs. 
        I’ve said before, the Leafs are in an interesting position – they just had their best success in almost a decade but almost all the current players contracts are up the next 2 years. If they spend the money to resign everyone and keep the important/core pieces together they’ll be locked into that group for the next 5+ years. If that group isn’t good enough to win, kinda back to what we had when Ferguson locked that core group (a group most fans really liked at the time) up for 5 years.

      • wiski

        Greg Fenton Bobsyouruncle LN-093 Jay_Berg Like a communication company giant owner may want a captain that can communicate. 😉

      • Greg Fenton

        wiski Greg Fenton Bobsyouruncle LN-093 Jay_Berg They fired a GM because they didn’t like his attitude…….

      • Greg Fenton

        wiski Greg Fenton Bobsyouruncle LN-093 Jay_Berg They fired a GM because they didn’t like his attitude…….

      • wiski

        Greg Fenton wiski Bobsyouruncle LN-093 Jay_Berg I thought it was image, Burke said they didn’t want the Burke “brand”

      • wiski

        Greg Fenton wiski Bobsyouruncle LN-093 Jay_Berg I thought it was image, Burke said they didn’t want the Burke “brand”

      • Greg Fenton

        wiski Greg Fenton Bobsyouruncle LN-093 Jay_Berg Attitude, Brand……..6 of one, half dozen of the other. His attitude is his brand.

    • wendelsfist

      Jay_Berg The other thing that was surprising and sort of contradicted what Nonis has been saying about a vet goalie is that he has been in on Bernier for over a year.   Him and Burkie before him liked Bernier and it wasn’t until now that they got what they felt was  workable deal.

      • Jay_Berg

        Where could he even go to? Calgary? Can’t think of another team who needs a young potential starter as bad. Maybe Minni?
        I hope we don’t do something stupid like unload Reimer and then bring in an expensive vet like Hiller. What scares me though is I could see us doing that…

        • wendelsfist

          Jay_Berg It is hard to know what nonis is thinking and who he is having conversations with.  I hope he upgrades the D and C.  A #1C may not be possible but as long as the team continues to improve that is the important.   This trade is more a distraction.

  • Jay_Berg

    My initial thoughts were that obviously Bernier and Reimer would split and compete for playing time. Good healthy competition.
    But Nonis was fairly vocal previously that he wanted to get a vet backup and that the leafs were too inexperienced in goal. Getting Bernier obviously does not solve that need.
    I am NOT wanting to trade Reimer but I’m starting to think it could be a possibility now. Literally anything could happen this week, very bizarre times right now.

  • VictorHoyles

    Luongo will stay in Vancouver because no one will take his contract and he’s too expensive to buyout.  Schnieder gets traded to Philli or Tampa…book it.

    • leafmealone

      VictorHoyles I really can’t understand how Gillis still has a job. He thumbed his nose at everyone who said that he should just trade Luongo and get whatever he could for him. He demanded a return that no one thought he could get, and maintained the whole time that there was  a “bidding war” going on for the netminder. Now, the word on the street is that teams are waiting for Luongo to be bought out, but that they won’t take on his contract as it is. Really, Gillis’ best hope is that some team might take a flyer (I’m looking at you Holmgren-pun intended) if he’s put on waivers and costs nothing to acquire. Lord knows, if I just cost my boss the cost of Luongo’s buyout, in addition to whatever assets I might have accrued if I’d just pulled the trigger on a deal rather than holding out for a deal that wasn’t coming, I’d be thrown out a window rather than escorted out the front door.

  • quintensmids

    The only way a Leaf fan can be happy about this is if they didn’t believe in Reimer.  The only way this trade really works out is if Reimer either gets injured or flops.  As a Reimer fan, I can’t be happy about this trade, because IMO, we already have a franchise goalie.  So even if I’m wrong, and Bernier becomes good while Reimer flops, we’re no further ahead than we were, at least in my mind, as I already felt like we had a top goalie.

    Let’s imagine the best case scenario happens, and both Reimer and Bernier perform very well for 40 games each (well, I’d prefer Reimer to get 50 and both have SV%’s better than .920.  In this case, it would likely mean we should trade one of our goalies.  Even if both goalies performed well, young goalies who haven’t had a starting job to themselves yet have VERY LITTLE value on the trade market, and I bet we’d be hard pressed to even get back what we gave for Bernier.  

    So IMO, no matter how good Bernier turns out to be, as a Leafs fan, this trade can’t make me happy.   I can understand that the Leafs may have some concerns over Reimer’s health, and that Bernier may be a plan B.  However,. I have faith in Reimer to be a .920+ goalie, so in my mind, trading for someone who we HOPE can be that good doesn’t improve our team.

    • wendelsfist

      quintensmids Plan A Reimer and Bernier are both +.920 goalies then one will be traded for a sweet return.
      Plan B One of Reimer or Bernier is .920 and the other struggles then the struggling one will remain back up or be traded for nothing or be Toskalol
      Plan C Both of Reimer or Bernier struggle.   Well we got a serious issue here.

      • quintensmids

        wendelsfist quintensmids re. Plan A:  goalies who haven’t been bonafide starters for a long time NEVER get a sweet return.. You can’t name any.  They’re traded for packages like the one we gave Bernier, and for Lindback, Bishop, even Halak trades.  We won’t get a lot back.

        • wendelsfist

          quintensmids wendelsfist Plan A is Halak/Price situation.  Halak was not a bad return.  Also, that return is more then Frattin, 2nd, scriven. 
          Plan B trade can be anywhere from Mason if things are dire to the return that  Varlymov was struggling and so was Bobrovosky when they were traded.

        • quintensmids

          wendelsfist quintensmids Keep in mind that was JUST after Halak singlehandedly carried MTL to round 3, and the package was arguably worse than what we gave up for Bernier.  Neither Bernier, nor Reimer will have higher value than Halak did that year, and all Halak returned was a 3rd liner (Eller) and Ian Schultz (WHO?)

        • quintensmids

          wendelsfist quintensmids Keep in mind that was JUST after Halak singlehandedly carried MTL to round 3, and the package was arguably worse than what we gave up for Bernier.  Neither Bernier, nor Reimer will have higher value than Halak did that year, and all Halak returned was a 3rd liner (Eller) and Ian Schultz (WHO?)

        • wiski

          quintensmids wendelsfist Eller was a blue chipper and will be more than a third liner

        • wendelsfist

          quintensmids wendelsfist You need to wait one more year to see where Bernier/Reimer end up.    

          And Eller is a 1st round prospect at the time.  And Schultz a 2nd round prospect who didn’t amount to much.

        • quintensmids

          wendelsfist quintensmids schultz was a 3rd rounder.. and even if Eller was a 1st rounder he had fringe 2nd line potential, which didn’t pan out,, just like the fringe 2nd line prospect we’d get probably wouldnt pan out

        • quintensmids

          wendelsfist quintensmids upon further review, 30 pts in 46 games is 2nd liner, so I am wrong on that front

        • quintensmids

          wendelsfist quintensmids The point is after SINGLEHANDEDLY CARRYING a team to the 3rd round as a 25 year old, Halak only returned Eller.. Someone who is a 2nd rounder for someone who had higher value than Bernier/Reimer will have? not much better than frattin/scrivens/2nd, if it even is any better.

        • quintensmids

          wendelsfist 2nd liner****

        • leafmealone

          quintensmids wendelsfist It’s because one hot playoff run isn’t how professional sports GM’s evaluate an asset. And that goalies more than any other position really need a proven track record for any hot stretch of games to mean anything to their overall value.

        • quintensmids

          leafmealone quintensmids wendelsfist Halak already had a very strong track record before that run

          http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=72667

        • quintensmids

          leafmealone quintensmids wendelsfist Halak already had a very strong track record before that run

          http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=72667

        • leafmealone

          quintensmids leafmealone wendelsfist And his agent was all over the place lobbying for a trade. It’s pretty close to what happened with Bernier. Halak was stuck behind Price the same Bernier was stuck behind Quick. Both goalies were coming up on the end of their current deals and wanted the money and playing time they felt reflected their abilities. In both situations, the team in question had to take what they could get and move on. And likely, in each case, the team trading the goalie could have gotten a better deal if they would have moved the player within their own Conference/Division but preferred not to do so for obvious reasons.

        • quintensmids

          leafmealone quintensmids wendelsfist who’s to say reimer/bernier won’t want a trade? if they’re both starters, they’re gonna wanna start, in fact bernier already wanted out of LA

        • wendelsfist

          quintensmids wendelsfist

        • wendelsfist

          quintensmids wendelsfist

        • wendelsfist

          quintensmids wendelsfist Sure.  And Frattin may or may not pan out.  And same with bernier.  ANd same with the 2nd round pick  And scrivens too.  The cost wasn’t too bad time will tell if the deal was smart or not.

        • wendelsfist

          quintensmids leafmealone wendelsfist And whose to say Bernier won’t become a Vezina goalie in a few years?

        • leafmealone

          quintensmids leafmealone wendelsfist Who cares what anybody wants? One of these two young talented goalies is going to make it clear that they’re the number one option, and if that makes the other expendable than so be it. Besides, Bernier is about to sign a contract that will surely be for at least three years. He doesn’t have the leverage to demand anything until that contract will be over. So Reimer either makes the net his own, and we re-up him after this year. Or, he doesn’t, and we trade his RFA rights to someone else who can work out a contract that they like with him to play there. No harm, no foul.

        • playoff nut

          wendelsfist quintensmids still smells imho

        • playoff nut

          wendelsfist quintensmids still smells imho

    • wendelsfist

      quintensmids Plan A Reimer and Bernier are both +.920 goalies then one will be traded for a sweet return.
      Plan B One of Reimer or Bernier is .920 and the other struggles then the struggling one will remain back up or be traded for nothing or be Toskalol
      Plan C Both of Reimer or Bernier struggle.   Well we got a serious issue here.

    • quintensmids

      LN-093 quintensmids which is why I’m not happy about the trade.   There’s nothing to show that Bernier will be better than Reimer at this point.  Reimer is far more proven and has that “playoff experience” everyone was clamoring about 3 months ago.  In  my mind, even if Bernier becomes a franchise goalie, that will give us two.  Goalies aren’t like pitchers, you only need one REALLY good one, and trading young goalies who haven’t been bonafide starters for an extended period doesn’t usually yield great value.

  • Komas Taberle

    I see them trading Reimer next season at the trade deadline and getting a very sound return.
    Bernier is going to be brilliant for us, what a trade by Nonis and more to come, loving it!

    • leafmealone

      Komas Taberle If both continue to play well, than I don’t see a trade happening until next offseason. Nonis is a cautious gut and would want to keep both goalies to protect against an injury heading into the playoffs.

    • leafmealone

      Komas Taberle If both continue to play well, than I don’t see a trade happening until next offseason. Nonis is a cautious gut and would want to keep both goalies to protect against an injury heading into the playoffs.

  • DARF24

    Question: what would the breakdown be for a regular buyout on Komi? It seems a waste to be usiong compliance on a guy with 1 year left.

    • quintensmids

      DARF24 Yeah, it could be much better used on a dipietro or something IMO

    • quintensmids

      DARF24 Yeah, it could be much better used on a dipietro or something IMO

    • Xxxxxnew

      DARF24 I think he’s owed $3.5 million, so two-thirds of that over two or three years? Just guessing on the years.

      • djamon

        Xxxxxnew
        Mike Komisarek buyout from CapGeek.com2013-14: $2,166,6672014-15: $1,166,667

        • DARF24

          djamon Xxxxxnew Just beat me to it.

    • djamon

      DARF24 If Nonis needs the money right now…maybe it’s worth it. But if not, it’s a terribly short-sighted move, IMO.

    • DARF24

      I dont see us spending to cap next season, so what the point of compliance? Rather they dont by him out and save the space for the year after when were cup contenders. 😉

  • DARF24

    Question: what would the breakdown be for a regular buyout on Komi? It seems a waste to be usiong compliance on a guy with 1 year left.

  • jcg_4

    LN-093 Now that they changed their coach they will probably keep him.

  • leafmealone

    @Dink If Lu gets bought out he’s signing for cheap with the Panthers where he’s wanted to go the whole time. Don’t bother worrying about it.

  • DARF24

    I love Reimer, Hate this deal, young goalies only develop into #1 when there given a shot,
    Ill call it now, James will be flame by next trade deadline and 2 years from now, head an shoulders above Bernier

  • DARF24

    I love Reimer, Hate this deal, young goalies only develop into #1 when there given a shot,
    Ill call it now, James will be flame by next trade deadline and 2 years from now, head an shoulders above Bernier

  • Jay_Berg

    Stastny and E.Johnson?

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    I dunno but I have a feeling that Frattin was expendable cause Clarkson is on his way……does that make the trade easier for people to swallow, I personally like the trade cause it does make our goaltending situation a little stronger

    • DARF24

      Dangle_My_Berries I hope so, I think its the only way nono justifies selling a power forward

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        DARF24 Dangle_My_Berries I think this is one of the reasons why this point in time was the best time for both teams to make a trade…

      • djamon

        DARF24 I may be on an island here, but I just don’t think we can call Frattin a power forward yet. He hasn’t even been able to stay in the lineup full time to this point.
        The guy didn’t score for the last 22 games he was a Leaf.

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          djamon DARF24 agreed, Fratts showed flashes and could very well round into a great player, but he was far from established

        • Xxxxxnew

          djamon DARF24 15 goals, 28 points in 82 NHL games played since his draft 2007.

        • wiski

          Dangle_My_Berries djamon DARF24 kipper just said Fratts was playing better than Kessel at the beginning of the year

        • wiski

          Dangle_My_Berries djamon DARF24 kipper just said Fratts was playing better than Kessel at the beginning of the year

    • Area49th

      Dangle_My_Berries Our team is young and confidence will come to the defense. The Wilson years are slowly leaving us. Still need that #1 C and if Kadri is it great, if not…what do we need to do to get one?