Talking Jonathan Bernier & James Reimer with The Goalie Guild

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The more I think about the Jonathan Bernier trade, the more I realize it was a straight-up judgment call by the Leafs‘ pro scouts (led by Steve Kasper, this staff includes Mike Penny, Tom Watt and Rob Cowie.. the trade also likely involved a consultation with amateur scout Mike Palmateer). While Bernier has an edge in pedigree based on his draft position, projecting goaltender development can be alchemy and neither Scrivens or Bernier have significant enough sample sizes to their name to really know what either could become. James Reimer’s biggest workload in a single season is 37 games, so despite what he proved in his first stint as a rookie and then again in the shortened season, there is still a fair amount of projection involved in definitively labeling Reimer a high end starter as well.

Why not turn to goalie scout Justin Goldman, Director of Goalie Scouting at McKeen’s Hockey, for his take?

Whose ceiling would you say is higher? Bernier or Reimer?

Justin Goldman: I would say Bernier’s ceiling is higher. I know the stats don’t necessarily reflect this due to Bernier’s smaller sample size and Reimer’s better-than-expected season, but in terms of which goalie has the higher talent ceiling, I believe that is Bernier. This doesn’t answer the question of who will be more successful in a Leafs uniform next season, but rather who I feel is capable of being more talented at stopping the puck down the line. Remember, sheer talent isn’t everything — those hidden mental traits like work ethic go a long way in winning games. That being said, Bernier has made some great adjustments and tweaks to his style over the past few seasons in limited games played, while I feel like Reimer, who has also made some good adjustments, has more work to do. There’s no way to know how it will play out, so maybe the gap between the two will end up being smaller than I’ve been led to believe through my observations and research. Toronto wouldn’t have invested in a deal like this if they didn’t think Bernier could be as good as Reimer, or better. We’ll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.

What do you make of the concerns about Bernier’s size?

JG: From my perspective, I’m not really worried. One of Bernier’s main strengths is his overall solid positional base for a smaller goalie. He doesn’t over-pursue a lot of shots and he does an excellent job of squaring up to pucks and playing big for his size. His net coverage is better than what you usually see from 5-11 or 6-0 guys. The ones that are thriving in the NHL (Enroth, Bachman) find ways to look and play big…and Bernier is arguably at the top of that list. He’s also made some key changes to play even bigger since his rookie season. This includes adjusting the placement of his glove, and his overall depth management as well. He is also very patient on his skates, to the point where he’ll even make some saves standing up. He also reads plays really well and is way stronger and more physically fit than most people realize. As long as he continues to exhibit those traits on a consistent basis, I think it’s only a matter of time before fans get over the “lack-of-size” concerns. That being said, size is tangible, so this is an area where Reimer has an advantage…and that’s how it always goes with a smaller goalie being compared to a guy 2-3″ taller.

Do you buy into the concerns about Reimer’s glove hand and rebound control? Is Bernier better in those areas?

JG: I’ve seen games where both goalies struggle and excel in both departments, but I don’t think Bernier’s glove hand is as much of an area of concern as it is for Reimer. Every goalie in the NHL will have their glove hand exposed at times because it’s getting harder and harder for guys to catch pucks cleanly. Look at Corey Crawford and what he had to deal with in the Stanley Cup Finals. I also think rebound control is one of those aspects of goaltending where it is as much situational as it is tactical. Sometimes it really just depends on the situation (shot and zone setup dynamics), and on what type of rhythm a goalie is in. Because Bernier has a smaller sample size, I can’t say if he’s legitimately better than Reimer. From my own observations, however, I do think Bernier is better at puck management. That skill includes not only just absorbing and placing initial shots, but how a goalie handles it around his crease area — knowing when to cover and freeze it, knowing when to jump-start a transition with a quick outlet pass, and knowing when to reach out and poke pucks away, or stay “home” and keep the ice sealed. In that regard, I would give the edge in this skill to Bernier. But Reimer, at least in my opinion, seemed to make improvements in that area this season.

You wrote for the Leafs Annual one summer that you didn’t think the Leafs did a particularly good job supporting Reimer, or Gustavsson before him. Does this help/push Reimer, or hurt him by generating a controversy in nets?

JG: How this trade affects Reimer is totally up to him. On the surface, I believe the move will only drive up the competition in goal, and that is almost always a positive in a coach’s and GM’s eyes. It may bother and rattle James at first, but there’s no changing it now, so he’ll have no other option than to work even harder this summer to get better. The trade may not translate to more wins and a second-round playoff berth for the Leafs next season, but it will force both guys to work harder, and the harder you work, the more likely you are to improve. I thought Ben Scrivens did a great job in a support/backup role this past season, but Bernier comes in with a “chip on his shoulder” and something to prove to the hockey world — that he can be a solid, steady, consistent starter. If there’s a controversy, that’s almost always fan and media generated, and an NHL goalie knows that they can only focus on what they can control. So regardless of what’s going on around them, or how they are perceived by the fans and portrayed by the media, I am confident they will both be better as a result of this move. It all comes down to who performs better in the opportunities they get. I like it for that sole purpose — we’re now going to see what both goalies are truly made of, and all the uncertainty surrounding their long-term upside will become more clear as they play more games.

  • skiingallday

    TheCanucksnaphook from who?

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      skiingallday TheCanucksnaphook Calgary

      • skiingallday

        ingy56 skiingallday TheCanucksnaphook thanks, I just didn’t feel like looking it up or actually thinking about it.

  • 1DERYRS

    TheCanucksnaphook I’m guessing the Islanders? lol

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    TheCanucksnaphook gotta give him some credit for admitting it ….. lolol

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    TheCanucksnaphook Columbus makes sense.

  • daniel marois

    Nope.  Feaster just admitted this on TSN about 30-mins ago.  He is also speaking with the other teams in the top-5 about moving up.  He wants a top-centre and the only one that might be available to get is Barkov or LINDHOLM.  But, I think Monahan would be a great fit in Calgary.

    • KurtWhite

      daniel marois 3 first by Calgary is intense next  2 years is prob top def top 10 as well

    • .JVR.

      daniel marois 
      Wasn’t it rumoured a few weeks ago that Calgary offered all three of their firsts to Colorado for the 1st overall pick?

      • daniel marois

        .JVR. daniel marois 
        Yes…and of course Colorado shot it down.  If Calgary had two picks in the top-10, then it might be worth considering.

  • Xxxxxnew

    TheCanucksnaphook Volume vs. quality

    • skiingallday

      Xxxxxnew TheCanucksnaphook Garth Snow logic would take volume.

      • Xxxxxnew

        skiingallday Xxxxxnew TheCanucksnaphook For sure. Although I’ve read a couple of articles now that said Wang actually authored the length of both the Yashin and DiPietro deals.

  • Dan39

    I like the trade. I think the guys who look only at SV% and games played (the fancystat twits) and therefore conclude Bernier is only marginably better than Scrivens and more or less equivalent to Reimer are completely missing the numerous points made above. Bernier has potential to be an elite goalie – and moreso than Reimer according to consensus hockey world opinion – and what they paid for that was relatively attractive.

  • .JVR.

    Holy fuck Alec, take it easy with the blogs, haha!

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      .JVR. crankin em out

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Dangle_My_Berries .JVR. I’m fantastic at cranking them out.

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Alec Brownscombe Dangle_My_Berries .JVR. keep the goods  times rolling…..”so why dont you turn me loose!, turn me loose!”

        • .JVR.

          You might wanna save some for the summer, as things tend to get quite slow in mid-August.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          .JVR. Gotta strike when the iron’s hot

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Alec Brownscombe .JVR. im sure you will have plenty of material to write about over the next week or so…..hopefully its positive

    • Anthony Petrielli

      .JVR. I mean, if ya want, we could slow it down. But the draft is just around the corner.

      • .JVR.

        Anthony Petrielli
        What happened to the 2013 Draft Profile Series and daily Player Reviews?

        • Anthony Petrielli

          .JVR. Anthony Petrielli Players reviews are almost done. I can’t speak to the draft profile series because that was never my thing, but we are working on a mock draft right now.

        • .JVR.

          Anthony Petrielli
          Oh yea, all the bloggers are sitting down and conducting a mock draft?

        • Anthony Petrielli

          .JVR. Anthony Petrielli We divided the picks between 8 of us and are conducting an actual draft. We’re almost done except it’s Mislav’s pick and he’s from Europe so due to the time difference he’s sleeping right now. He’ll wake up and make his pick, then there’s just a few left and we’re done.

        • dlb eh

          Anthony Petrielli .JVR. 
          he selects Nichushkin
          go

  • Xxxxxnew

    Good article Alec. Puts an awful lot in perspective. Nice to hear from a pro with some insight.

  • daniel marois

    I like how this article puts the onus on the pro scouts.  These guys are heavily counted on for making trades like these.  Enough people around the league see Bernier as a can’t miss NHL goalie.  Would love to see him ascend to the upper elite in the NHL.

    • TOHockeyNut

      daniel marois Leafs beating Kings in the final with Bernier in net would do it.

  • wiski

    Scrivens would be a better backup than Reimer, Reimer has to play tobe good. Gonna be interesting what happens if Bernier does actually take the net.

    • B_Leaf

      wiski 
      bad trade

    • .JVR.

      wiski 
      So, you’re saying the Leafs should have traded Reimer instead of Scrivens?

      • wiski

        .JVR. wiski No just saying I don’t think Reims will do well as a back up. I hope these scouts aren’t the same ones that liked pooge pedigree more than Rasks

    • JMAC17

      wiski I agree that Reimer is not going to be a backup here.  If Bernier proves to the better then he will be traded for sure.  Gotta pull the trigger no matter how much Reimer is liked.

      • wiski

        JMAC17 wiski I’m flip flopping on this deal, I didn’t like it when it happened, then it started growing on me, then I just hope he pans out because we had a good tandem. lol

        • GeorgeCastanza

          wiski JMAC17 meh on Scrivens.  Drew McIntyre can replace him.

        • whalz

          theres a reason why hes i the AHL

        • .JVR.

          @whalz 
          Exactly, he is nowhere near as good as Scrivens.

    • dlb eh

      wiski
      Reimer’s a competetor but i don’t think for a minute he’s a self absorbed suck ass.  You think he believes he’s earned a permanent starting position for an NHL team, specifically the Maple Leafs?
      surely he’s still putting in hard work to improve so he will keep that role because he’s not stupid enough to think he can just coast now that he’s had a little success.  there is always someone else coming for his job.
      if Bernier comes in and out-plays him you think James is going to sulk or whine to the media about his bad luck?  that infers that big beautiful smile of his is fake.
      no frickin way.  James is a big boy.  he’s a good guy.  a team guy.  he’s likeable because he’s not a douche who bitches and moans when he doesn’t get his way.
      Reimer would be the best backup in the league because
      1) he was brought up right, has good values, and is a genuine good guy
      2) he will work hard to get back to the top, pushing Bernier to do better himself
      3) he’ll keep on smiling, and spirits will be up, karma good

      • Loric76

        dlb eh wiski that’s pretty much it with this guy.  you could piss in his cheerios all day long and he’d keep smiling and be just happy he has cheerios

        • dlb eh

          Loric76 dlb eh wiski 
          yup.  and suddenly because he was served one piss bowl of O’s he wouldn’t know how to eat the a good ol’ wholesome bowl when the next opportunity arrived?  nonsense.

    • bear19

      wiski I’m thinking Reimer gets moved.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    2003 Draft was a beaut…of course the Leafs sat out the first round because of the Toskala deal. Pierre just reamed out the Islanders for not picking Parise. Oh, Doug MacLean picked Zherdev…hahaha….

    • daniel marois

      ingy56 
      Ahh…no.  That would be the Owen Nolan trade.  Toskala was brought in at the 2007 draft.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        daniel marois ingy56 Whoops, I stand corrected ….thanks

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          -Keon- Only when I get corrected LOL

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          -Keon- Happens all the time…I’m married.

  • DWCMLHS

    Goldman is very knowledgeable when it comes to goalies. Bernier is a good young goalie with potential. He’s still not as proven as Reimer, though. Bernier’s been highly-touted for a long time. We’ll see if he can live up to expectations or not. But it still doesn’t make sense to get in a bidding war for a player the team doesn’t really need.

    • daniel marois

      DWCMLHS 
      If Bernier was Ben Scrivens…then non-issue for LA.  But they had two young #1 goalies to handle.  That’s why there was a bidding war for Bernier.  He is a #1 goalie waiting in the wings where you don’t pay for an elite established goalie like Ryan Miller.

      • Xxxxxnew

        daniel marois DWCMLHS Fans in LA think they got cheated in the deal.

        • daniel marois

          Xxxxxnew daniel marois DWCMLHS 
          Exactly.  They see Bernier as an elite goalie who is no longer a prospect.  Enough NHL goalie analysts around the league agree the Leafs got a good one in Bernier.  This is not like dealing for a Raycroft at ALL….

        • Xxxxxnew

          daniel marois Xxxxxnew DWCMLHS Some were saying the team screwed itself by not playing Bernier a little bit more to showcase him. They figured not enough teams saw the guy play so the demand wasn’t as high as it could be.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ LeoTheLion

    Great insight, thanks to Goldman for stopping by this neck of the woods.
    It seems that Reimer’s flaws, perceived or legitimate, are exactly where Bernier is strongest. Rebound control, raw athleticism and puck handling.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    TheCanucksnaphook Just Bryz getting bought out, other than that nada.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ LeoTheLion

    TheCanucksnaphook No

  • daniel marois

    -Keon- 
    Haha! I thought the same thing when I saw his mullet during the TSN interview.  Too funny!

    • daniel marois

      -Keon- 
      Ha.  They both do have the same hair style don’t they??

    • Loric76

      daniel marois -Keon- maybe he was in on the bet

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/Aportzlinehttps://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/349692583628378114
    Hearing Artem Anisimov will make in the $3.5M – $4M range

    • daniel marois

      rustynail 
      Geez.  Good luck with that Sather.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        daniel marois rustynail Traded to CBJ for Nash

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/MensHumorhttps://twitter.com/MensHumor/status/349694906106789888
    I’m not an alcoholic. I’m soberphobic.

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/PKessel81https://twitter.com/PKessel81/status/349684222648266754
    Taught https://twitter.com/realjcdeacon and https://twitter.com/ChrisTessaro a lesson in golf today at LVC

  • Loric76

    https://twitter.com/bcphockeybloghttps://twitter.com/bcphockeyblog/status/349696014308999169
    Drafting By Position over at BCP: http://t.co/OsJVknySlQ

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/BurkieYCPhttps://twitter.com/BurkieYCP/status/349697709915111424
    Burkes will be represented in https://twitter.com/PrideToronto after all. Sisters https://twitter.com/katieburkie and https://twitter.com/mburke88 will be marching with https://twitter.com/Pflagtoronto and Scrivy.

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    Shift_Disturber1 the vinny facebook drama is becoming very interesting to me ….. on one hand we have the chance to gain a good asset just to buy him out . on the other hand , if the asset isnt good enough , leafs can say fuck you . you buy him out and we will sign him to play for us ………. hmmmmmm

    • ProfessorRance

      unclejakescards Shift_Disturber1 I’d sign him on a short term deal. I think he’d love to play with JVR and Kessel.

      • Xxxxxnew

        ProfessorRance unclejakescards Shift_Disturber1 Isn’t Vinny’s cap hit nearly $8 million?

      • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

        Xxxxxnew ProfessorRance unclejakescards Shift_Disturber1 if bolts buy him out …..

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    Shift_Disturber1 A-Hole

  • .JVR.

    Shift_Disturber1 Yea, I saw that on Yahoo

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    https://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockeyhttps://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey/status/349702654076796928
    Just had Bryan Bickell on my show and I asked him if we can expect to see him in a Blackhawks uniform next year…….

    • .JVR.

      unclejakescards 
      Nice to know, but it’d be even nicer to know his answer, haha

      • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

        .JVR. unclejakescards ya, the fucker delayed it on purpose .

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    TheCanucksnaphook naaa, i think thursday is gonna be the day ….

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    https://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockeyhttps://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey/status/349703410423050242
    Bickell on if he’ll be wearing a Blackhawks uniform nxt yr, “I definitely hope so, I see the city as my 2nd home & love playing here” (1/2)

    • Loric76

      unclejakescards what else is he going to say the day after the cup win lol

    • .JVR.

      unclejakescards 
      And Toronto is his 1st home :-)

      • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

        .JVR. unclejakescards yep , gotta hope hawks try to low ball him …

      • Xxxxxnew

        .JVR. unclejakescards Chicago is an amazing city.

        • rustynail

          Xxxxxnew .JVR. unclejakescards parts of it are for sure

        • Xxxxxnew

          rustynail Xxxxxnew .JVR. unclejakescards Anyone who’s making what Bickel makes doesn’t have to know about the bad parts. LOL

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    https://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockeyhttps://twitter.com/JoshRimerHockey/status/349703736559546369
    Bickell (2/2) “….I want to be back for sure. My agent and i will talk in the next couple days.”

  • Xxxxxnew

    TheCanucksnaphook Technically it said 48 hours after the cup final, so I don’t know if that means nothing until 10:30 at night tomorrow.

    • .JVR.

      Xxxxxnew
      Was arguing with a habs fan, who was trying to tell me that the buyout window is already open.
      I kept telling him the window doesn’t open until 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Finals end, which should be sometime around 11PM on Wednesday night.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        .JVR. Xxxxxnew They sure confuse easily, but the Scabs got special permission to buy out Gomez earlier this season.

      • Xxxxxnew

        .JVR. Xxxxxnew I’m not sure if the time period for the regular buyout is the same as the compliance buyout. Havent seen if they’re different. Pretty sure the 48 hours is definitely for the compliance buyout.

      • Xxxxxnew

        ingy56 .JVR. Xxxxxnew They gave Gomez and Redden special get out of jail cards.

      • dlb eh

        .JVR. Xxxxxnew 
        this is exactly why we need enforcers

      • .JVR.

        Xxxxxnew
        He was trying to tell me that Kaberle has already been bought out and given his money.

        As far as I know, the Canadiens are using their final buyout on him, so they won’t be able to officially announce it till tomorrow night.

        Also, I told the guy that he wouldn’t get all his money yet, as he get’s paid 2/3rds of his contract, spread equally over double the remaining term.

      • Xxxxxnew

        .JVR. Xxxxxnew They’ve said they will be buying out Kaberle. No reason they have to keep it a secret or anything, just like Philly is saying bye bye to Bryz.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Shift_Disturber1 .JVR. Xxxxxnew I think Bryz is all on Snider.

      • reenergized

        ingy56 Shift_Disturber1 .JVR. Xxxxxnew thats why PH still has a job …

      • .JVR.

        Xxxxxnew
        I realize that, but he was trying to tell me that Kaberle has already been bought out and paid.
        I told him that Montreal was simply stating that they plan on buying Kaberle out and nothing is official yet.

      • Xxxxxnew

        ingy56 Shift_Disturber1 .JVR. Xxxxxnew Apparently it was Wang who insisted on the long terms for Yashin and DiPietro.

      • dlb eh

        Xxxxxnew ingy56 Shift_Disturber1 .JVR. 
        pronounced Wang

      • Xxxxxnew

        dlb eh Xxxxxnew ingy56 Shift_Disturber1 .JVR. Party on Wang, Party on Garth

      • dlb eh

        .JVR. Xxxxxnew 
        Phaneuf-Kaberle
        Gardiner-White
        Gunnarsson-Franson
        Fraser

      • .JVR.

        dlb eh
        Are you serious?

      • Xxxxxnew

        dlb eh .JVR. Xxxxxnew ewww. white has been a flop with five teams since he was a leaf. Kaberle was past due in 2007

      • dlb eh

        .JVR. dlb eh 
        does a hobby horse have a wooden dick?
        does a bear shit in the woods?
        ah no.

  • Loric76

    TheCanucksnaphook Shift_Disturber1 if you stay home we’re guaranteed a slow day.  get out while it’s not raining

  • wendelsfist

    When does the buy out window end?

    • rustynail

      wendelsfist July 4 5 PM eastern

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Shift_Disturber1 rustynail wendelsfist All-Star, Olympian….

      • wendelsfist

        unclejakescards wendelsfist Thx and the UFA opens next day.  So conservative Nonis won’t announce any buyout until he has some time to talk to UFA about possibly joining the leafs

      • Xxxxxnew

        rustynail wendelsfist Is that just for compliance buyouts, or for the regular buyouts as well?

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          Xxxxxnew rustynail wendelsfist i think regular buyouts aernt til august ??

        • rustynail

          Xxxxxnew rustynail wendelsfist  both are at the same time

        • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

          rustynail Xxxxxnew wendelsfist ohhhhh, ooops

        • Xxxxxnew

          rustynail Xxxxxnew wendelsfist got it.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Shift_Disturber1 ingy56 rustynail wendelsfist That he is.

      • reenergized

        wendelsfist unclejakescards prudent no?

    • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

      wendelsfist july 4th 5pm est.

  • dlb eh

    TheCanucksnaphook 
    hey, you speak Italican?

  • http://stores.ebay.ca/UncleJakesCards?_rdc=1 unclejakescards

    TheCanucksnaphook is that a chocolate bar ???

  • ClarkHitsBell

    Bickell is really his agent.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/odognine2https://twitter.com/odognine2/status/349705659337547777
    Parents going to the draft this weekend are going to see amazing changes in their sons. http://t.co/2JrLHJenrD

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Shift_Disturber1 ingy56 Looks like Encino Man…or Charles Manson…can’t decide hahaha…

  • .JVR.

    TheCanucksnaphook 
    I wouldn’t mind Bickell, but we already have two LWers that are better than him (Lupul/JVR) and he’s gonna want too much to be a third liner.

  • .JVR.

    I’d be happy with the following lineup for next season:

    Lupul   –   Kadri   –   Kessel
    JVR   –   Grabovski   –   Clarkson
    McClement   –   Bozak   –   Kulemin
    McLaren   –   Gordon   –   Orr
    (Colborne, Ashton, D’Amigo, Broll, Ross, Biggs)

    Gunnarsson   –   Phaneuf
    Gardiner   –   Franson
    Fraser   –   Blacker
    (Ranger, Holzer, Percy)

    Reimer /Bernier
    (MacIntyre, Sparks)

    • reenergized

      -Keon- so does the D corps :)

      • .JVR.

        reenergized
        I’m alright with the D, but would love to see a true top pairing defencemen brought in to play with Phaneuf.
        Then Gunnarsson could be bumped down to play on the third pairing and Fraser would become the 7th defenceman.
        Also, I wouldn’t mind seeing a right handed shot brought in to play on the 2nd or 3rd pairing, but it’s not really necessary.

        ?????   –   Phaneuf
        Gardiner   –   ?????
        Gunnarsson   –   Franson
        (Fraser)

      • reenergized

        .JVR. reenergized that is still a lot of question marks … 

        hope Nonis gets busy

      • .JVR.

        reenergized 
        I could live with the original defence I posted, but the above would be ideal.
        Even if only one of those two ???? were improved upon:

        Gunnarsson   –   Phaneuf
        Gardiner   –   ?????
        Fraser   –   Franson
        (Holzer/Blacker)

        or

        ?????   –   Phaneuf
        Gardiner   –   Franson
        Gunnarsson   –   Blacker
        (Fraser/Holzer)

    • .JVR.

      -Keon- 
      Yea, I think Nonis should probably acquire another goalie, haha 😉

      • Loric76

        .JVR. -Keon- I hear Bryz is gonna be available in a couple days.  And there’s always Lou.

    • dlb eh

      .JVR. 
      you could ice the 87 Canada Cup forward line (in their prime) and i would be disappointed to see Gunnarsson is still the best choice for that Phaneuf pairing.

    • rustynail

      -Keon- We could trade Bernier for Scrivens :)

  • B_Leaf

    Since we are talking draft, it seems the Leafs are coming off a couple of pretty good drafts. 2011 we nabbed Biggs, Percy, Leivo, Nilson, Cameranesi, Broll, Robertson, and Sparks. Six or seven of those guys have a shot. Some of those guys have really improved their stock value. In two years we should start to see some of these guys. 
    In 2012 class has blue chipper Reilly, and another good one in Finn who many had pegged for the first round, a sleeper pick in Toninato. Brown, Rupert, and Loov all have a shot. Not saying it will, but the 2012 draft has a chance to produce three good players. It is hard to pick up impact centers late in the draft but I think the Leafs have a chance with Toninato, there is a lot of skill and game in this guy, but it will take time.

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      B_Leaf i this draft i focus primarily on C’s….and pick up a goalie in the late rounds cause we dont have anyone behind sparks now

      • dlb eh

        Dangle_My_Berries B_Leaf 
        Bell or Rogers need to buy the Coyotes.  then draft every goalie every year with every pick.  when they come up on free agency send some thugs after them.  hoard them, develop the good ones and let the rest rot in the ECHL or wherever, then trade the franchise goalies to only the Maple Leafs.  let the rest of the league dress their trainers until they start drafting 6 goalies in the top 10 every year.  let those franchise centres drop to us muhahaha.  no you’re bullshit!

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          dlb eh Dangle_My_Berries B_Leaf hmmm ….i like it…..but I do believe there is a rule that doesn’t allow a company to be majority owner of more then one franchise as to prevent these types of situations lol…creative thinking though

        • Loric76

          Dangle_My_Berries dlb eh B_Leaf Doesn’t Bell own a large portion of the Habs too?

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Loric76 Dangle_My_Berries dlb eh B_Leaf they are minority owners of the Habs

        • dlb eh

          Dangle_My_Berries Loric76 dlb eh B_Leaf 
          wheels in motion muhahaha

        • dlb eh

          Dangle_My_Berries dlb eh B_Leaf 
          and screw Bettman and his rulez

  • Xxxxxnew

    2009
    Nazem Kadri 
    Kenny Ryan 
    Jesse Blacker 
    Jamie Devane 
    Eric Knodel 
    Jerry D’Amigo 
    Barron Smith 

    2010
    Brad Ross 
    Greg Mckegg 
    Sondre Olden 
    Petter Granberg 
    Sam Carrick 
    Daniel Brodin
    Josh Nicholls

    2011
    Tyler Biggs
    Stuart Percy
    Josh Leivo
    Tom Nilsson
    Tony Cameranesi
    Davic Broll
    Dennis Robertson
    Garret Sparks
    Max Everson

    2012
    Morgan Rielly
    Mat Finn
    Dominic Toninato
    Connor Brown
    Ryan Rupert
    Viktor Loov

    • .JVR.

      Xxxxxnew 
      2010 looks pretty weak.  I think Ross will eventually crack the lineup as a third liner, but I have a bad feeling about McKegg.  Just foresee him as a career AHLer, much like Keith Aucoin.

      • djamon

        .JVR. Yeah 2010 might have looked better with Seguin at the top of it?

      • Xxxxxnew

        .JVR. Xxxxxnew Some are saying Granberg has a chance at camp this year.

        • dlb eh

          Xxxxxnew .JVR. 
          since Leo ended up being “as advertised” i have a little more faith in these sorts of reports

      • Pent_House

        .JVR. Xxxxxnew I dunno why you continually think this. McKegg had a way better season than Ross. He’s not small, he’s 6’0 – 6’1 close to 200. McKegg was the best rookie on the team this year without a doubt.

        • Uncle Otis

          Pent_House 
          Always saw Kegger’s ceiling as a #2 C …with a good chance to get there.
          Besides,I’m partial to the name :)

        • .JVR.

          Pent_House
          Ross plays a physical game though, while McKegg is more of a skill guy.
          For some reason I don’t see McKegg’s game translating to the NHL.

        • Uncle Otis

          .JVR. 
          Works for Kessel 😉

        • .JVR.

          Uncle Otis
          Oh, so now we’re comparing McKegg’s game to Kessel’s?

        • Uncle Otis

          .JVR.
          Simply on the basis of skill guys with talent but shying from physical NOT translating to the NHL.
          No, I’m not saying Kegger = Phil

        • Pent_House

          .JVR. Pent_House Mckeggs no bitch tho, he goes into the corners, fore-checks, goes to the net. What specifically don’t you think will translate to the show. He stepped it up in the AHL play-offs too.

    • dlb eh

      Xxxxxnew
      Sondre Olden looked so good when we first caught a glimpse.  what the heck happened to the kid?  culture shock?  too much to soon?  never filled out, one leg longer than the other, became a jedi?  seriously, i thought he was a potential gem.

      • Xxxxxnew

        dlb eh Xxxxxnew He looked good in that rookie camp but I don’t remember much good stuff being said when he was playing Erie. Maybe he was just a flash at that camp.

        • dlb eh

          Xxxxxnew dlb eh 
          maybe he wasn’t ready to leave home?  wasn’t ready for that brand of hockey?
          yeah, i liked what i saw that rookie camp.  never heard any good reports after, just like you said.  just faded away.

        • Xxxxxnew

          dlb eh Xxxxxnew Just looked up his stats in Erie and he had 32 points in 48 games but was a -40. he was 6′ 4″, 176.

        • dlb eh

          Xxxxxnew dlb eh 
          what was the rest of the team like?  -40 is cold as it gets

        • Pent_House

          Xxxxxnew dlb eh Erie was the worst team in the league that year, everyone had a terrible plus minus including McKegg. He just never put it together. He didn’t compete hard enough, and his game didn’t come along like it was supposed to. I remember that season vividly.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Pent_House Xxxxxnew dlb eh That’s what I recall. I remember wondering from time to time what he was doing and it didn’t sound great when I got an answer.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Pent_House Xxxxxnew dlb eh When I first saw him my first thought was Antropov with good knees!

        • Pent_House

          Xxxxxnew Pent_House dlb eh Lol at least antro was good along the wall. This kid couldn’t use his size at all.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Pent_House Xxxxxnew dlb eh Felt sorry for Antro because he came with a pair of bad knees. Looking at his stats he missed awnywhere between 25-35 games a year as a leaf. due to injury

        • Pent_House

          Xxxxxnew Pent_House dlb eh His best season in my eyes was when he played on the top-line that season with Sundin and Poni. The three of them dominated down low. Massive line.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Pent_House Xxxxxnew dlb eh Yep. like I said, too bad about his knees. Lots of guys seemed to cut short because of the knee injuries. No arthroscopic surgery, just snip and cut. I thought Gary Nylund was going to be a beast but he destroyed his knee 16 games into his rookie season and lost about half of his mobility for the rest of his career.

        • Pent_House

          Xxxxxnew Pent_House dlb eh If he was born a couple years later his health would have been fine.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Pent_House Xxxxxnew dlb eh Orr would still be playing!

        • rustynail

          Pent_House Xxxxxnew dlb eh or if the Leafs would have  waited a year or two before putting him in the NHL. His body wasn;t close to ready for it

        • Xxxxxnew

          rustynail Pent_House Xxxxxnew dlb eh I watched him play junior when he was a 14 year old. And it wasn’t unlike watching little Gretz in junior in terms of size.

    • Pent_House

      Xxxxxnew 09 is going to be a sleeper draft that’s going to look good a few down the road. Blacker and Ryan should both play in the NHL along with D’amigo. Even Devane should get to the league as an enforcer who can play a little. You’re talking potentially 5 Nhl players and one is a bonafide top6 centre.

    • Greg Fenton

      On average a team wil get about 1.5 players per draft.
      There should be 5 more NHL players on that list

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    In speaking with the Sun on Sunday, Reimer showed what a class act he is. He didn’t bitch and complain despite the fact that some analysts have twisted his comments to appear as if he was.
    Did the Bernier deal come as a surprise? Yes. Did he feel that there were doubters concerning his skills? Of course. Wouldn’t you feel that way if your employers brought in someone whose mandate was to take your job away? Damned right you would.
    But if we’ve learned anything about Reimer, it’s that he is an uber-competitive kid. There will be no sulking. From the moment the trade was announced, you can bet that his goal was to prove everyone wrong. People have been counting him out his entire career and he’s always come out ahead.
    If Bernier pushes him to do that again, that’s good for the Leafs. If Bernier beats out Reimer and proves to be the star many in the Kings organization feel he will be, that’s good for the Leafs, too.
    Either way, it seems to be a win-win situation.
    That being the case, what’s the problem here?

    —- piece from the Sun, I agree with them

    • Uncle Otis

      Dangle_My_Berries 
      Maybe the bigger question is how Bernier reacts if Reimer beats him out for #1 ?

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        Uncle Otis Dangle_My_Berries valid question, gonna have to wait and see

      • wiski

        Uncle Otis Dangle_My_Berries He’s use to being a backup.

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        Uncle Otis Dangle_My_Berries if Bernier doesnt end up taking the net we could flip him to Edmonton for one of their top C’s lol we already know they want him…

    • Xxxxxnew

      Dangle_My_Berries I’m so old I can remember Bower-Sawchuk tandem working spendidly.

      • Uncle Otis

        Xxxxxnew 
        Haha
        They had no choice back then but to “make it work”…or they were looking for some :(

        • Xxxxxnew

          Uncle Otis Xxxxxnew I remember when they actually didn’t have spare goalies on the bench. There was one game on Saturday night when Bower got hurt and they had to call Gerry Cheevers out of the crowd to go in net. He was either with St. Mikes juniors at the time or playing in the minors. I think he played three games for the team.

        • Uncle Otis

          Xxxxxnew 
          Penny pinchers,the lot of them.
          Always wished the NHL/NHLPA would do a little more for the guys who game before them, paving the way.
          Seems a less than popular notion sadly.

        • DJBrianBurke

          Uncle Otis Xxxxxnew The NHL leaves that to the players now.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Uncle Otis Xxxxxnew I could be wrong but I think one of the first things that happened at the beginning of contract talks last summer was a new package for alumni. I seem to remember them cutting through all the crap to get it done before they went on to anything since.

        • Uncle Otis

          DJBrianBurke 
          Haha…of course they do!

        • Uncle Otis

          @Xxxxxnew
          Didn’t catch that, but its a good step.
          Love to know more.

        • DJBrianBurke

          Xxxxxnew Uncle Otis You’re right, it was one of those hurdles they needed to get over. I like to think it was and not just posturing.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Uncle Otis Cox picked up on it. At the time he wondered whether players would kick in as well and I believe they did. I forgot about the owners getting convicted of stealing pension funds $22 years ago.
          http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2013/01/15/nhl_owners_do_right_by_former_stars_with_benefit_hike_cox.html

        • Uncle Otis

          Xxxxxnew 
          Excellent..thank-you.
          Dated Jan/13..I wonder if the NHLPA upped their quotient in the interim?
          I’m sure it doesn’t go too far,but these guys more than any are the ones in need.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Uncle Otis Xxxxxnew I seem to remember they did but I wasn’t able to see anything more recent. Reading about how the owners treated those old guys gets me too angry to read much of it. Carl Brewer is a hero.

        • Xxxxxnew

          DJBrianBurke Xxxxxnew Uncle Otis It wasn’t just posturing, the owners were getting embarassed in court for underfunding the plan.

          http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2009/06/24/sp-nhlpa-pension.html

        • Uncle Otis

          Xxxxxnew 
          Brewer is and suffered for it….was castigated by the cronies at the time I remember.
          I like history and all, but when I still see trophies and divisions being named after tyrannical,iron fisted owners, I get a little nauseous

        • Uncle Otis

          Xxxxxnew 
          You’re rolling
          Bettman’s dirty little fingerprints all over that one.

        • DJBrianBurke

          Uncle Otis Xxxxxnew The NHL reminds of FIFA and Blatter. Corruption right on the surface, you can see it.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Uncle Otis Xxxxxnew The only thing that pisses me off about this site is the one photo that comes up at the top in the rotation of the single band from the Stanley Cup with Harold Ballard’s name stamped in it from the 67 team. It ‘s the most prominent and i growl every time I see it because he was less than a part of that team.

        • Xxxxxnew

          DJBrianBurke Uncle Otis Xxxxxnew Someone did an article on all the owners who have done time over the years. Pretty impressive.

        • Uncle Otis

          Xxxxxnew 
          Never noticed…but will now.
          Ballard was a real swindler and manipulator.
          Cripes,I remember hearing his prison stint for fraud was more like a country club stay.
          Guy was pure snake oil

        • Xxxxxnew

          Uncle Otis Xxxxxnew I was in Toronto one summer in the 70s and a friend and I were walking down Carlton St. and decided to peek into the Gardens just for something to and surprisingly some guy let us wander around. They were painting the place and Ballard had told the crew to use dozens of Stanley Cup and Memorial Cup banners, lacrosse banners etc to cover the seats from paint splatter because he didn’t want to buy tarps. The guys working there weren’t too happy about it. A few years later he ripped out Foster Hewitt’s gondola and sold it for scrap. The Hockey Hall of Fame was furious.

        • Uncle Otis

          Xxxxxnew 
          I had forgotten about that…just sickening.
          Don’t even have to get into the sex scandals.
          Yes,an unfortunate and rather pitiful chapter of Leafs history.
          Yet there he sits in the Hall and Paul Henderson does not.

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    “Edmonton Oilers’ GM Craig MacTavish admitted Tuesday in his presser before going to the NHL draft that, yes indeed, he was trying to get Los Angeles Kings’ goalie Jonathan Bernier in a trade to tag-team with incumbent starter Devan Dubnyk.” —– so apparently Mctavish doesn’t have any faith in Dubynk either…..neither would I to be honest lol 
    “Was I in the running for Bernier?  I thought I was, but I knew at the end of the day it would be difficult,” said MacTavish, because of the division rivalry angle. He has no complaints about Dubnyk, 27, as the Leafs don’t with Reimer, their playoff goalie, but MacTavish wanted some competition for the goalie job, in a perfect world. ”
    …so goalie competition is good for the Oilers, but some in Leafs land think having 2 potential starters is a recipe for disaster lol

    • DJBrianBurke

      Dangle_My_Berries I would normally agree, but Reimer is much better than Dubnky and so Bernier. It wouldn’t be so much a push to Dubynk to play better, it’s a push right out of the crease. In Reimer’s case, right now it’s viewed as a lateral move in goal and Reimer played more at ease when the trade deadline pasted.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/globehockeyhttps://twitter.com/globehockey/status/349713823189565440
    Bryzgalov buyout puts Canucks in a bind over Luongo http://t.co/6qnBoSpbuB

    • Black_Hawk

      ingy56 hahah fuck them

  • Xxxxxnew

    From the Boston Herald on Seguin:
    Seguin said “90 percent” of the team was playing through some sort of injury, and he intimated that he, too, was dealing with a physical woe, though he wouldn’t specify.
    “I don’t know. I don’t want to say. I’ll talk to you guys (tomorrrow). I’ve had the same problems my whole life,” Seguin said.
    Who knows what exactly that problem is, but ESPN Boston reported last year that Seguin was dealing with a congenital hip problem that might eventually need surgery.
    Seguin would not confirm that but said, “I’ve got to see the docs tomorrow and see what they say.”

    • dlb eh

      Xxxxxnew 
      it’s typically refered to as having “no balls”

      • Xxxxxnew

        dlb eh Xxxxxnew The thing that’s interesting is that ESPN did a story last year about his congenital hip problem he’s had all his life would maybe shorten his career, and the Bruins and Seguin denied the crap out of it. Now he mentions a problem he’s had all his life that’s bothering him.

        • dlb eh

          Xxxxxnew dlb eh 
          he’s ascared.  somethings you just can’t overcome.  he wants to be brave.  he needs to find himself a wizard.

    • GeorgeCastanza

      Xxxxxnew Leafs won this trade hands down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • dlb eh

        GeorgeCastanza Xxxxxnew 
        pants down we won that trade eh constanza haha

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          dlb eh GeorgeCastanza Xxxxxnew Kessel >>>>>> Seguin and Hamilton and whoever that 2nd rounder ended up being….Kessel is Elite!

        • ProfessorRance

          Dangle_My_Berries dlb eh GeorgeCastanza Xxxxxnew I wouldn;t be opposed to doing it again this year for a number one center.

        • Black_Hawk

          Dangle_My_Berries dlb eh GeorgeCastanza Xxxxxnew straight up

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    Shift_Disturber1 why wont alfredsson just retire!

    • wiski

      Dangle_My_Berries Shift_Disturber1 He wants one last Leaf asskicking

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        wiski Dangle_My_Berries Shift_Disturber1 im sure the boys are more then happy to oblige

    • dlb eh

      Dangle_My_Berries Shift_Disturber1
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Hfgvjdb0Y

  • happy_gilmour

    girl you know its true

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/ArashMadanihttps://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/349720057565290497
    John Gibbons told the https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bluejays&src=hash, in an impromptu post-game meeting, that Kawasaki had been sent down. Buehrle: “I’ve never seen that before”

    • wiski

      rustynail I thought they were gonna keep him up?

      • rustynail

        wiski rustynail so did I but apparently not

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/ArashMadanihttps://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/349720247923773440
    It was an appreciative, thankful and smiling Kawasaki post-game. He kept repeating, “I’m so lucky. I’m so lucky. And thank you.” https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bluejays&src=hash

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      rustynail i like that guy

      • rustynail

        Dangle_My_Berries rustynail I think everybody did. Having Jays fans chant his name well after a game is pretty impressive

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          rustynail Dangle_My_Berries its those types of players, the ones that appreciate what they have been given, those are the ones that are easy to cheer for

      • .JVR.

        Dangle_My_Berries
        Sure the guy was very entertaining and had some clutch hits, but he was barely hitting over the Mendoza Line, with a batting average of .225.

        • skiingallday

          .JVR. Dangle_My_Berries still better than Bonaficio.

        • .JVR.

          skiingallday
          That’s true, wouldn’t have hurt my feelings if Bonifacio was sent down instead.

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/ArashMadanihttps://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/349721611940794368
    Kawasaki, over and over, thanked the https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Bluejays&src=hash fans… Not sure I’ve seen a player being sent down/cut, that appreciative, and smiling.

    • Black_Hawk

      rustynail too bad

  • wendelsfist

    Don’t players who are bought out from their contract  immediately become UFAs?  Why do they have to wait until July 5th when players under contract also expire.   Once they are bought out, they are more like colleage UFA free agents or KHL players signing in the NHL.