Pre-Draft Open Thread

Pre-Draft Open Thread

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The buzz as we approach the 3 p.m. draft is that Carolina’s fifth overall pick is in play. Darren Dreger reports that the Maple Leafs have discussed a trade up scenario with Carolina but that it might cost the Leafs “Morgan Rielly as part of a package.” Presumably the Leafs’ 21st pick would also be involved, amounting to a pretty handsome price. Rielly was their fifth overall pick last June, so it would have to be a player they’re really sold on if Nonis is giving up Rielly-plus for another fresh prospect. While it’s important to keep in mind the strength of the top 10 in this draft, that’s still a price that only makes sense for a MacKinnon, Jones or Drouin in my opinion. Dreger is reporting that such a package was discussed, but that no deal is close.

Carolina reportedly has numerous offers on the pick and it will likely come down to the wire as to whether or not its moved. Otherwise, all is quiet at the moment on the trade front.

Alec Brownscombe is the founder of MapleLeafsHotStove.com, where he has written daily about the Leafs since September of 2008. He was also the editor of the 2009-12 Maple Leafs Annuals. You can contact him at [email protected]
459 comments
mcloki
mcloki

And with their first pick in the 2013 draft the Phoenix Coyotes trade their entire team to the city of Seattle.

Mike Bosse
Mike Bosse

Well fans off to a BBQ and beer afternoon, lets hope it all works out in a deep draft and we get a couple of gems here...cheers all !


palmspringsleafer
palmspringsleafer

I like Dion ...but he cant handle the puck as well as others .... and if it were Gards and franson then they would be all over franson ..... and now you have Gards leading a 4 on 3 with the puck on his stick, instead of Dion putting one in the glass or flubbing it away. When Mike Keenan was my coach if a dman put a shot higher than your shins .... next practise he had to stand in front of the net and everyone got to take slapshots at him as he tried to tip or screen. In peewee they teach you to roll your wrists over and keep it low .... Dion was sick that day i think. Get Dion his 20 mins a game but zero on the pp thanks ...... we have better now!

Jordan29
Jordan29

Is there any word on lecavalier yet at all?

mcloki
mcloki

FatHead and Baldy back on the panel.

leafmealone
leafmealone

Am I the only one hoping that Seguin is still a Bruin by days end? I don't Boston getting a good player from a deep draft to replace him-in addition to getting other assets along with. I hope they have to wait until summer and end up with picks of an unknown position in next year's draft which is supposed to be much weaker. 

daniel marois
daniel marois

First round will take THREE HOURS!  holy! LOL

Knights2Leafs
Knights2Leafs

Vinny looking pretty buff.  Looks ready to play with JVR and Phil.

RielledUp
RielledUp

Max Domi had quite the bitches following him.. All 10/10s

ingy56
ingy56

So the Bruins are shopping Sequins...my how the tides turn. Hughson and Healy must be agonizing over this. 

Jay_Berg
Jay_Berg

Is there anything more demoralizing then just sitting around waiting for something to happen?

SOMETHING HAPPEN

Mike Bosse
Mike Bosse

Nuts absolutely nuts, Reillys" a keeper and blue chip prospect, here come the destruction of Burkes' work and Nonis putting "his" stamp on the team. Soon we'll witness the slow degrading of the Leafs who were close this year. I don't like Nonis and miss Burke already!!!!


Great Dane
Great Dane

If Canes are still interested would Nonis do: 5th and Faulk for Franson, Liles and 21st.

DWCMLHS
DWCMLHS

Dmen who have averaged 25+ minutes a night in each of the past 3 years: 

Phaneuf, Weber, Suter

Dmen who have averaged 25+ minutes a night in at least 2 of the past 3 years:

Chara, Karlsson, Doughty, Boyle, Campbell, Girardi, Keith, Bouwmeester


Let's put to rest the "25+ minutes by default" theory. Only very good Dmen play these kind of minutes. Phaneuf plays huge minutes and has great numbers. He's a top 2-way Dman, a top-15 Dman in the NHL. His play this season was especially fantastic, considering his O-zone starts, QoC and QoT. He, Weber and Kronwall were all better Norris-candidate options than Subban. 

Wook
Wook

If the crop of forwards today will be anything like 2003, we may be sitting pretty with the 21st pick. Great picks (Staal(2), Vanek(5), Carter(11), Brown(13)) vs the not so shiny gems from the top half of the first round (Horton(3), Zherdev(4), Michaelek(6), A Tits(10), Jessiman(12), Nilsson(15)). The good ones from the second half (Parise(17), Getzlaf(19), Kessler(23), Richards(24), Perry(28)) and the bad ones (Bernier(16), Fehr(18), Pouliot(22), Stewart(25), Boyle(26), Tambellini(27), Eaves(29)).

Of course, the Leafs did not have a pick in the 1st round. Even if we had picked one of the good ones above, I am sure that the then management would have traded him away.

As for our picks in 2003:

57th Overall--John Doherty
91st Overall-Martin Sagat
125th Overall-Konstantin Volkov
158th Overall--John Mitchell
220th Overall--Jeremy Williams
237th Overall--Shawn Landolt


Today is going to better than this without a doubt!

palmspringsleafer
palmspringsleafer

120 degrees here in Plam Springs today! But talking hockey and watching the draft!! then on the ice at 7:15pst PERFECT day! (other than the 120!)

Uncle Otis
Uncle Otis

You know,if the TSN draft is even close to accurate,why don't we save Reilly and trade up four/five for Horvat?

Win/Win

DWCMLHS
DWCMLHS

David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590

3m

Getting the sense from talking to some execs that nothing big is going to happen before the 1st pick. But a free for all would follow after


Bah. Getting so excited now. Hurry up and start the draft!

Great Dane
Great Dane

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 5m

Not much out of Gillis. Says he's still prepared to be patient and isn't feeling pressure to make any deal.

This is just great - no pressure sure nobody want to trade with you. LOL

Great Dane
Great Dane

Turning draft picks into players is true an art.

With Morrison and Bergman in Europe running the show I believe Leafs has one of the best scouting teams at all.

They just need to strike gold one or two years - and I don't mean nuggets, because that they already have.


LeafsForLife
LeafsForLife

So i get the feeling right after the #4 pick, we will see a trade for sure. Maybe not the Leafs but a trade nonetheless.

DWCMLHS
DWCMLHS

Talent-wise, Rielly should at least be a top-4 offensive Dman and a 1st-unit PPQB. He could potentially become a top-pairing offensive Dman and star 1st-unit PPQB, like a Karlsson or Letang. But that's definitely not a sure thing. 

Barkov isn't a sure-thing, either, but he's more NHL-ready, and projects to be a 1st-line center, imo. He could be a franchise center. We have better D prospects than forward prospects. Rielly for Barkov makes a lot of sense. 

palmspringsleafer
palmspringsleafer

Special dmen are more "special" than special forwards! Keep MR but Dion? I would package Dion

Bruce Gamble
Bruce Gamble

Toronto Maple Leafs are pleased to select from the London Knights, Bo Horvat

Cameron19
Cameron19

Hey guys, you win the Rielly/Barkov debate.  I don't care to have it.  It's bad business, in my opinion, to trade defenders like him when they're that young.  

skiingallday
skiingallday

Just woke up, on PST, I've got 3 mins for y'all to tell me if anything has happened? Because I'm off to hike Whistler in a couple mins.

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

Frederik Gauthier or Kerby Rychel for our pick and I'd be happy. 

Luke_R
Luke_R

LeBrun thinks we'll see 10 floor trades...

TML__fan
TML__fan

Wish someone would give me $5 every time that Dreger says "its a developing story" or "I wouldn't be at all surprised to see..."  Oh the drama and speculation. ;-)

Jay_Berg
Jay_Berg

Would people be more open to trading Rielly if Barkov is available at 5 for some reason? Maybe the Preds take Nurse or Monahan as a surprise. Maybe this is why Nonis is doing homework with Carolina?

mORRganRielly
mORRganRielly

Quick update: 

Morrison's drafts between 2006 and 2009 has uncovered 11 NHL quality players out of 29, with at least three more on the way: Blacker, D'Amigo, MacWilliam.  That's very close to a 50% success rate.  I'm fairly certain getting anything beyond 25% over four years is considered witchcraft.  

It will be interesting to see what the 2010-2013 drafts unearth because no one has jumped yet.  They are all very close though.

joe99
joe99

anyone know where I can find an online TSN feed?

Wook
Wook

5.7 over six years seems very high for Smith

Grahamzky
Grahamzky

Lots of speculation that Phaneuf is being shopped, possibly in a deal that includes Carolina's #5 pick. Who knows if this true or not, or merely a name mentioned to drive other team's price tag up?

IF Phaneuf is going Carolina's way, and somehow I doubt it, would hope that a d-man (Faulk?) would be in package coming back. Hopefully it is NOT Gardiner leaving - he is the future!

Everyone keeps saying Monahan at #5, which I don't believe is a foregone conclusion. Don't count out Lindholm! MacKenzie had Monahan at #7 on his pick list. Soon we'll find out though, won't we?