Pre-Draft Open Thread

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The buzz as we approach the 3 p.m. draft is that Carolina’s fifth overall pick is in play. Darren Dreger reports that the Maple Leafs have discussed a trade up scenario with Carolina but that it might cost the Leafs “Morgan Rielly as part of a package.” Presumably the Leafs’ 21st pick would also be involved, amounting to a pretty handsome price. Rielly was their fifth overall pick last June, so it would have to be a player they’re really sold on if Nonis is giving up Rielly-plus for another fresh prospect. While it’s important to keep in mind the strength of the top 10 in this draft, that’s still a price that only makes sense for a MacKinnon, Jones or Drouin in my opinion. Dreger is reporting that such a package was discussed, but that no deal is close.

Carolina reportedly has numerous offers on the pick and it will likely come down to the wire as to whether or not its moved. Otherwise, all is quiet at the moment on the trade front.

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  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

    Tick tock Doc!

  • Conis

    Morgan Rielly stays.  He will be unreal.

    • peterbleafs

      @Conis Agree.

  • skippysleafs

    lets get it on

  • MLHS_Luke

    Any interesting rumours this morning?

    • 4evrblue

      MLHS_Luke nada, been dead quiet

      • MLHS_Luke

        I’ve been a bit out of the loop – is this old news?
        http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426659

        • 4evrblue

          MLHS_Luke that little deal? does that even count as news?

        • 4evrblue

          MLHS_Luke that little deal? does that even count as news?

    • 4evrblue

      MLHS_Luke nada, been dead quiet

  • Zep2

    I read reported that with realignment , the Canes realize that they need to get better now to compete for the playoffs. I dont see how Rielly is a sure fire solution for the upcoming season
    I would say its Phaneuf going the other way if TO pulls that trade off

    • Gilbey93

      Zep2 Phaneuf for Jay Harrison, Jiri Tlusty, and the rights to Tim Brent

    • 4evrblue

      Gilbey93 Zep2 I think we need to add Rielly and our 1st

  • tmlfan

    We need to keep Gardiner and Rielly so in three years we’re not spending a fortune trying to acquire players like them

  • Uncle Otis

    Reilly straight up would be enough…and only if we use 5 to move up.
    What the hell at 5 is better than Reilly and 21?
    Makes no sense

    • Loric76

      Uncle OtisA known commodity in Rielly for a 5th overall gamble, Carolina needs to throw something in IMO

      • Uncle Otis

        Loric76 
        Somewhat known and its the silly season remember
        Gardiner is a more known talent and likely the Cane’s target

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

        Loric76 Uncle Otis Tlusty and Harrison 😉

      • ShotgunCharlie

        Loric76 Uncle Otis just curious…how is Reilly a known commodity?

        • Loric76

          ShotgunCharlie Loric76 Uncle Otis we know who he is lol.  5th pick traded before the draft starts could be any one of 10 players

        • Loric76

          ShotgunCharlie Loric76 Uncle Otis but ya I know what you’re saying, he’s not proven or anything yet

        • Loric76

          ShotgunCharlie Loric76 Uncle Otis but ya I know what you’re saying, he’s not proven or anything yet

      • ShotgunCharlie

        Loric76 Uncle Otis just curious…how is Reilly a known commodity?

    • Shift_Disturber1

      Uncle Otis In my mind if you’re trading Reilly it’s for young help now in a position of need not an unknown pick

    • Uncle Otis

      Shift_Disturber1 
      Could be Nonis has a rough deal in place with someone higher but he has to get closer.
      No matter, Im not big on gutting the roster for anyone available

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/walsha
    Talking with some NHL people who say the League is projecting the Upper Limit to go up 33% over 3 years. That’s a $80M Upper limit.

    This is what all the GM’s are banking on

    • Xxxxxnew

      New tv contracts will play a part.

    • Xxxxxnew

      New tv contracts will play a part.

    • MaxwellHowe

      Pffff…players’ salaries will just follow and rise by the same

      • Burtonboy

        MaxwellHowe Not if you lock them in for 8 yrs right now

      • Xxxxxnew

        Players won’t get anything from new franchise fees or franchise moving fees.

      • Xxxxxnew

        Players won’t get anything from new franchise fees or franchise moving fees.

    • Xxxxxnew

      That’s just $3 million more than Detroit spent in 2004.

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/walsha
    Talking with some NHL people who say the League is projecting the Upper Limit to go up 33% over 3 years. That’s a $80M Upper limit.

    This is what all the GM’s are banking on

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

    https://twitter.com/_rodrickheffley
    IF THE LEAFS TRADE REILLY JUST SO THEY CAN GET DOMI I WILL LEGITIMATELY SHOOT UP THE ACC

    • MikeGartner11

      Radar O’Rielly I legitimately wish people didn’t say things like this on twitter

    • Uncle Otis

      Radar O’Rielly 
      Good thing she dosen’t live in the States
      Knock knock

    • peterbleafs

      Its clear none of us really trust the Leafs brass as yet.  So many years of incompetence runs deep.

      • ProfessorRance

        peterbleafs The media doesn’t help either.

      • Xxxxxnew

        I’ve seen them win four cups, so everything in between is the basis fo my level of trust. So I’m still in Show Me mode, although for me Burke was the first sign of top to bottom reorganization. Cliff in his first run made some good move and brought back some pride but he didn’t really care about development.

    • rockydundas

      Radar O’Rielly Not cool. Totally inappropriate.

    • rockydundas

      Radar O’Rielly Not cool. Totally inappropriate.

  • lukethenuke

    Shift_Disturber1 i want him

  • lukethenuke

    Shift_Disturber1 perfect leader, hard worker… HARD HARD WORKER

  • lukethenuke

    Shift_Disturber1 perfect leader, hard worker… HARD HARD WORKER

  • rockydundas

    My wish list at #21
    Kerby Rychel
    Hunter Shinkaruk
    Anthony Mantha 
    Morgan Klimchuck
    Valentin Zykov

    • Grahamzky

      rockydundas Wouldn’t be surprised if Shinkaruk goes to the Jets at #13. Leafs – Rychel, Mantha, Hartman, Erne or Compher?

      • rockydundas

        Grahamzky rockydundas Hope we go for the biggest talent. I say this every year…I don’t want to see a ‘third liner’ picked in the first round. We can just sign a third liner. In the first round, swing for the fence. You might end up with Brandon Convery, you might end up with Joe Sakic. Just go for the talent! No more Scott Pearsons…PLEASE!!!!

      • rockydundas

        Grahamzky rockydundas Hope we go for the biggest talent. I say this every year…I don’t want to see a ‘third liner’ picked in the first round. We can just sign a third liner. In the first round, swing for the fence. You might end up with Brandon Convery, you might end up with Joe Sakic. Just go for the talent! No more Scott Pearsons…PLEASE!!!!

    • Grahamzky

      rockydundas Wouldn’t be surprised if Shinkaruk goes to the Jets at #13. Leafs – Rychel, Mantha, Hartman, Erne or Compher?

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/Aportzline
    Per https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger report … https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CBJ&src=hash willing to deal Bobrovsky’s right is a sure sign that this morning’s negotiation made no progress
    .

    • wiski

      Burtonboyhttps://twitter.com/GlobeKPDhttps://twitter.com/GlobeKPD/status/351371750510043136
      Talks have commenced on new deal for Rask. My bet on cap number is $7.5m-$7.8m, beginning this Oct. 1.

    • wendelsfist

      Burtonboy That will push RASK’s RFA contract through the roof.  Loves it.

  • Waiting4LSC

    I’m still mad at The buyout insertion in the CBA. The Leafs had this situation covered and then had the advantage ripped out from underneath them. Where we really could have had an advantage in drafting, we have nothing but the status quo.

    • GeorgeCastanza

      Waiting4LSC yup.  This is the pattern.  Starting to give me a complex.

    • GeorgeCastanza

      Waiting4LSC yup.  This is the pattern.  Starting to give me a complex.

    • Loric76

      Waiting4LSC If we end up signing Lecav it may work out better for us than if the buyout deal had happened.  Remember that we don’t actually know what was offered in the trade – the rumor is the 3rd overall but it wasn’t ever verified

    • GeorgeCastanza

      Shift_Disturber1 Waiting4LSC communism never hit so close to home.

      • MaxwellHowe

        The NHL is communist, I absolutely agree. Nothing more communist than the draft itself

    • Knights2Leafs

      Waiting4LSC 
      QFT

  • Great Dane

    Shift_Disturber1 If the price is either Gardiner or Rielly – then we are out.

    • Xxxxxnew

      That’s probably the Canes opening asking price.

      • skippysleafs

        Xxxxxnew how about holzer and a punch in the face just for asking for our kids

      • Area49th

        Xxxxxnew Counter with Liles

      • peterbleafs

        Xxxxxnew We do not need a top 5 pick.  We already have 5 elite  young players, thats enough to build a contender with.  To give one elite up for a shot at another is dumb.

      • ProfessorRance

        Area49th Xxxxxnew Liles and 21st for the 5th I’d do.

      • Shift_Disturber1

        Area49th Xxxxxnew Liles has to soon become an attractive option for a lot of teams

      • .JVR.

        ProfessorRance
        Carolina wouldn’t

      • .JVR.

        ProfessorRance
        Carolina wouldn’t

    • Shift_Disturber1

      Great Dane Shift_Disturber1 I would hope so. There must be other pieces that can be moved if that’s what they really want to do.

  • Great Dane

    Shift_Disturber1 If the price is either Gardiner or Rielly – then we are out.

  • ShotgunCharlie

    Shift_Disturber1 thats just retarded

  • skippysleafs

    Shift_Disturber1 hence the phrase silly season NO WAY any of those teams give that up

    • Loric76

      skippysleafs Shift_Disturber1 Gards only makes sense if Jones is still available at 5th

    • Loric76

      skippysleafs Shift_Disturber1 Gards only makes sense if Jones is still available at 5th

  • skippysleafs

    Shift_Disturber1 hence the phrase silly season NO WAY any of those teams give that up

  • Shift_Disturber1

    https://twitter.com/GlobeKPD

    https://twitter.com/GlobeKPD/status/351374051769458690

    Rask, when asked if nervous about new deal: “No…why would I be nervous?”. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23coolcashcustomer&src=hash

  • .JVR.

    Nonis better not trade Rielly and the 21st for Carolina’s 5th overall pick

  • .JVR.

    Nonis better not trade Rielly and the 21st for Carolina’s 5th overall pick

    • Jay_Berg

      Makes no sense for either side.
      Canes want a top 2 dman now. Rielly doesn’t give them that

      • reenergized

        Jay_Berg agree, they need/want a roster player, not a prospect

    • Knights2Leafs

      .JVR. 
      What about Rielly + our 21st for Carolina’s 1st + Skinner?
      Might have to throw another Tlusty in Carter Ashton at them.

      • .JVR.

        Knights2Leafs
        Skinner’s brain is like mash potatoes right now, wouldn’t wanna take a chance on him.

      • reenergized

        Knights2Leafs .JVR. why do we want a smurf?

        • Knights2Leafs

          reenergized
          He’s bigger than Grabovsky although his head may not be as hard.  We’ll buff up that brain just like we did with Jake and he’ll be as good as new.

        • reenergized

          Knights2Leafs reenergized no, I don’t agree … based on what I saw, he is smaller than Grabo

      • reenergized

        Knights2Leafs .JVR. why do we want a smurf?

  • MaxwellHowe

    Leafs win that race, like it or not. Gards & Reilly more cap friendly

  • MaxwellHowe

    Leafs win that race, like it or not. Gards & Reilly more cap friendly

  • .JVR.

    Where did Faulk get traded?

    • tmlfan

      .JVR. It was Justin Falk, traded from minny to the rangers

    • Burtonboy

      .JVR. Falk from Minny was traded to NY  for Ferrario I believe

      • .JVR.

        Burtonboy
        Ah, I read something about Justin Faulk in the other thread and thought the Canes traded him.
        Guess it was a typo.

  • ProfessorRance

    Shift_Disturber1 I’d be cool getting that much money too.

  • ProfessorRance

    Shift_Disturber1 I’d be cool getting that much money too.

  • Waiting4LSC

    I really would like NoNo to find a way to get Couturier from Phili.

  • Ryan

    Who’s to say Seth jones is available at 5. This guy was a solid number one and now that the Avs have lost there minds he falls this much ?

  • Ryan

    Who’s to say Seth jones is available at 5. This guy was a solid number one and now that the Avs have lost there minds he falls this much ?

  • Jordan29

    Why oh why do you guys get sucked into this crap. No GM would deal Reilly and Gardiner and. Pick for a 5 th overall. Just relax lol this happens every year. Jesus remember kadri and a pick for brassard? All just getting attention and viewers

    • Area49th

      Jordan29 The dealing won’t happen until we get to # 4 or 5 on draft. Lots of offers will be thrown at them

      • Jordan29

        Yes but not that one lol Jesus step back and think about it. MAYBE just Gardiner

    • Area49th

      Jordan29 The dealing won’t happen until we get to # 4 or 5 on draft. Lots of offers will be thrown at them

    • reenergized

      Jordan29 the rumour was “or” not “and”

    • reenergized

      Jordan29 the rumour was “or” not “and”

  • Jordan29

    Why oh why do you guys get sucked into this crap. No GM would deal Reilly and Gardiner and. Pick for a 5 th overall. Just relax lol this happens every year. Jesus remember kadri and a pick for brassard? All just getting attention and viewers

  • Shift_Disturber1

    https://twitter.com/EricSmithHockey

    https://twitter.com/EricSmithHockey/status/351376587138142208

    Does https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CBJ&src=hash trade a 1st rounder and Ryan Murray for https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Canucks&src=hash Schneider which would be the asking price

  • Jordan29

    Just so you guys realize. If we get the 5th we will be getting Mackinnon. Book the shit out of that EH

    • rockydundas

      Jordan29 Um…how do you figure that?

    • tmlfan

      Shift_Disturber1 Jordan29 Dion, the 5th, the 21st and another player/prospect for 1st overall

      • tmlfan

        Shift_Disturber1 Jordan29 Shoot, meant to put Stastny there too for shits and giggles

      • tmlfan

        Shift_Disturber1 tmlfan Jordan29 It was dion, the picks, and Reilly for Stastny and the 1st haha

  • peterbleafs

    20 teams all think they have a shot at moving up.  We arent moving up, we will not do any deals except maybe some plugs for 3rd rounders or maybe a Liles dump.  I am much more content with that.  I  do not mind at all if Phaneuf or Gunnarson get shipped out of town either but could care less if the stay or go.

  • wendelsfist

    https://twitter.com/RogMillions/statuses/351353977109090304: “For those wondering. Trades need to be presented by Teams before 5 min Clock starts. Tight Rules on Trades. Before not during”   

    Maybe those rumours of what various team presented to canes or other teams first round picks, has some truth to them.  If draft player x on board, then I’ll give you prospect a  and pick

  • Area49th

    The Fourth Period reports the Edmonton https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Oilers&src=hash have offered the 7th overall pick and Devan Dubnyk for https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BlueJackets&src=hash Sergei Bobrovsky

    • peterbleafs

      Area49th Like hell they hvae, what a stupid post.

      • Area49th

        peterbleafs Area49th To me this is the fun, all the rumors and BS  😉

        • bear19

          Area49th peterbleafs  
          time to put down the bong and step away from the computer.

    • tmlfan

      Area49th Yeah gonna go with total BS on that one

    • tmlfan

      Area49th Yeah gonna go with total BS on that one

    • .JVR.

      Area49th 
      Alright, I think it’s time for me to turn the computer off.
      TOO MANY BULLSHIT RUMOUS GOING AROUND!!

  • Xxxxxnew

    I wonder what Angelo Esposito’s up to these days?

    • tmlfan

      Xxxxxnew Playing overseas

      • Xxxxxnew

        Never saw a hyped player fall so far.

      • Xxxxxnew

        Never saw a hyped player fall so far.

    • rockydundas

      Xxxxxnew Hanging out with Alexander Daigle?

    • rockydundas

      Xxxxxnew Hanging out with Alexander Daigle?

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/351377553736478722
    ♫ Newarkkkkk, it’s exciting and new… NHL draft dayyyyyyy, coming to you… ♫

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/351377553736478722
    ♫ Newarkkkkk, it’s exciting and new… NHL draft dayyyyyyy, coming to you… ♫

    • wiski

      https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/351378085293195264
      ♫ There’s Nathannnnn and Seth Jones, too… Even Drouinnnnn will probably play good for youuuuu… ♫  Mirtle is losing it lol

      • tmlfan

        wiski Go home Mirtle, you’re drunk

      • tmlfan

        wiskihttps://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/351379397594447872
        ♫ Then Barkov and Lindholm but don’t send Nichushkin to the A… Because that’s not where he wants to playyyyyyyy ♫

        • wiski

          tmlfan wiski LOL

        • wiski

          tmlfan wiski LOL

        • KurtWhite

          tmlfan wiski that is funny!!! hahah

    • bear19

      Shift_Disturber1 wiski  
      then he’s found his place here.

  • Pent_House

    Wooooooooo Woooooo

  • Pent_House

    Wooooooooo Woooooo

  • Pent_House

    Dregger said it might be Gardiner for the 5th as well

    • .JVR.

      Pent_House 
      I might consider Gardiner straight up for the 5th, but there is no way I’d be throwing in the 21st overall pick, as speculated.

      • wiski

        .JVR. Pent_House who are you getting at 5th?

        • Pent_House

          wiski .JVR. Pent_House Monahan

        • .JVR.

          wiski
          I hope Barkov is still available, if not I’d go with Monahan or Nichushkin.

        • .JVR.

          wiski
          I hope Barkov is still available, if not I’d go with Monahan or Nichushkin.

      • ShotgunCharlie

        .JVR. Pent_House Depends on who we would be targeting with the 5th.

      • ShotgunCharlie

        .JVR. Pent_House Depends on who we would be targeting with the 5th.

  • skippysleafs

    hey scrivens is matching in the pride parade good for him, and King in with a bunch of queens :), dont hate on me its funny

    • Area49th

      skippysleafs Man of his word, I respect that in him, even after he was traded

    • Area49th

      skippysleafs Man of his word, I respect that in him, even after he was traded

  • tmlfan

    https://twitter.com/DarrenDregerhttps://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/351379388589285377
    Canucks are not softening on Schneider’s asking price. Might be too rich for the Oilers, but clock is ticking.

    God Gillis really screwed himself over…

  • rockydundas

    Looking at Carolina, they are loosing more than half their D between this year and next. Thinking about that, I’m not sure they’d want Dion either. Then, next summer, both him and Pitkinen would be UFA and this year, they’re losing Corvo, Sanguinetti and Bergeron. Pretty sure they’d want a young gun or hot prospect.

    • ProfessorRance

      rockydundas Liles is under contract. Liles, Blacker, 21st for the 5th and a prospect.

      • rockydundas

        ProfessorRance rockydundas Maybe. I’d certainly offer that instead of  Gardiner or Reilly.

        • ProfessorRance

          rockydundas ProfessorRance I doubt the would do it but Liles does have value.

        • ProfessorRance

          rockydundas ProfessorRance I doubt the would do it but Liles does have value.

      • rockydundas

        ProfessorRance rockydundas Maybe. I’d certainly offer that instead of  Gardiner or Reilly.

      • Knights2Leafs

        ProfessorRance
        We’re not getting rid of Liles contract that easily.  Switch in Gunnar and we could live with Liles in his place for the balance of the contract or trade in a year or two.

      • Knights2Leafs

        ProfessorRance
        We’re not getting rid of Liles contract that easily.  Switch in Gunnar and we could live with Liles in his place for the balance of the contract or trade in a year or two.

      • Knights2Leafs

        ProfessorRance
        We’re not getting rid of Liles contract that easily.  Switch in Gunnar and we could live with Liles in his place for the balance of the contract or trade in a year or two.

  • Cameron19

    Shift_Disturber1 Media really doesn’t get the old contracts, either.  Quick is making 7 million per year, despite lower cap hit.

    • Jay_Berg

      Point is he doesn’t deserve to be one of the highest paid goalies in the league after one good season.

    • bear19

      Cameron19 Shift_Disturber1  
      and his Kings goalie coach was saying he was as good as Quick.
      The kid could be great.

  • Pent_House

    Time to eat and roll up and get ready for the madness

    • skippysleafs

      Pent_House dude i cant make a roll-up last an hour and twenty

      • skippysleafs

        Pent_House correction two hours and twenty

        • Pent_House

          skippysleafs Pent_House Lol why would you want to take that long to roll-up

        • Pent_House

          skippysleafs Pent_House Lol why would you want to take that long to roll-up

        • skippysleafs

          Pent_House skippysleafs ok man are we talking fruit roll up or the other bc I cant for the life of me roll

        • Pent_House

          skippysleafs Pent_House Lol no fruit buddy

        • skippysleafs

          Pent_House skippysleafs “puff” what this about fruit,mmmmmmmmmm fruit

        • skippysleafs

          Pent_House skippysleafs “puff” what this about fruit,mmmmmmmmmm fruit

      • skippysleafs

        Pent_House correction two hours and twenty

    • skippysleafs

      Pent_House dude i cant make a roll-up last an hour and twenty