Where does Dave Bolland fit in?

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Please give a warm welcome to Taylor Wright, the newest member of the MLHS writing team. Be sure to follow him @taylor_wright.

On Sunday at the 2013 NHL Entry Draft, Toronto Maple Leafs GM Dave Nonis acquired centre Dave Bolland from the Stanley Cup-winning Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for picks 51, 117 and a fourth round pick in 2014.

You knew that already, I’m guessing. So let’s take a look at how Bolland was used in Chicago, how well he performed in his role and what we can expect from him as a Leaf.

HOW WAS HE USED?

This past season Bolland spent his time on the ice with Patricks Kane and Sharp, and ranked 6th in TOI/G among Hawks forwards (excluding Brandon Pirri and Ben Smith who combined for 2 games played). Bolland’s 12:58 of even strength TOI/G ranked him 7th among Chicago forwards (excluding Smith and Hayes who combined for 11 games played). Bolland did however benefit from the fifth most power play time per game among Chicago forwards, a whopping 2:28 per game. Bolland’s power play time was spent mostly with Kane, Stalberg, Leddy, and Sharp. Bolland played an average of 0:52 on the penalty kill a game, good for 7th among Chicago forwards (excluding Smith’s one game).

Bolland played against some pretty tough competition this season, ranking first among Hawks forwards if we exclude the 10 games of Jimmy Hayes. Bolland also had the third-lowest offensive zone start numbers of the Hawks forwards at 49.6%, a testament to how dominant Chicago is in terms of possession.

What does all of this tell us about how Bolland was used this season? Well, his even strength line mates were two highly skilled, top-six players and he saw over twice as much time on the power play as he did on the penalty kill. He faced the toughest competition of any regular Blackhawk forward and his zone usage was similarly tough (but not McClement or Grabovski tough).

HOW DID HE DO?

In terms of production, Bolland had 7 goals, 7 assists and 14 points. He earned 10 of his points (70%) at 5v5 and 3 points (21%) on the power play. For context, Bolland spent about 79% of his time on the ice at even strength and about 15% of his time on the power play.

In looking the always-useful behindthenet.ca, we can see the rate of production for Bolland per 60 minutes of 5v5 time (0.69G, 0.41A1, 0.14A2, 1.24P). That point rate is 14th best among Hawks forwards (11th if you remove Morin’s 3 games, Smith’s 1 and Hayes’ 10). If we compare that to his most common line mates, we see that Kane’s production is 1.02G, 1.26A1, 0.39A2, 2.67P and Sharp’s is 0.76G, 0.76A1, 0.30A2, 1.82P. So Bolland’s even strength scoring pace is drastically lower than that of his highly-skilled 2013 linemates.

Considering that the seemingly outgoing Bozak was a king on the dot, how does our newest centre fare? Well, Bolland’s faceoff rate was a pretty dismal 46.1%, though a quick look at how he fared in the defensive zone tells a slightly different story. In the defensive zone (at even strength), Bolland was on the ice for 140 and 74 of those face-offs were won for a 52.8% win rate. Because of the data we can only look at the wins while he was on the ice, but considering he played with Sharp and Kane mostly it makes sense to assume that he was the one taking them (if that’s not the case then please correct me). Also of interest is the difference between Bolland’s home and away face-off performance: at home Bolland won 51.4% of his face-offs but just 39.9% while on the road.

It is of course important to point out that Bolland was injured this season and missed 13 regular season games and 5 playoff games with a variety of injuries: leg, upper-body, foot, and groin. If Bolland is going to contribute significantly to the Maple Leafs next season he’ll need to stay healthy: in the last five season’s he’s played just 292 of 376 games.

And finally, if we look at the possession numbers we see that Bolland has some of the worst numbers on the Hawks. In fact his numbers look quite similar to Jay McClement’s numbers in a similar context of usage (though McClement’s zone starts appeared much tougher).

The big question is how this season stacks up to previous seasons of Dave Bolland? The production at even strength is roughly what we can expect from Dave Bolland, similar to last season’s production and down a bit from two seasons prior. But his possession numbers this year are a dramatic departure from what he’s been accomplishing in the past, and it would probably be a safe bet to say that he’ll be better next season in that regard.

WHERE DOES HE FIT HERE?

So, where does Dave Bolland fit on a roster headed in to next season with Kadri, Grabovski and McClement as the other centres?

In an interview after the trade, Nonis said, “Randy won’t pigeonhole him as a third line centre,” and that he “may be put in a more prominent role than he had in Chicago.” It’s hard to decipher what Nonis is specifically envisioning here, but the comments do concern me a little.

Bolland’s even strength production, despite being on a line with two very talented players, doesn’t appear to be enough to make him a strong fit for a top-six role. With Bozak apparently leaving the Leafs organization, Leafs fans can rejoice knowing that a third liner will no longer be centering Phil Kessel. But if Bolland is being offered an expanded role, then the same problem may rear its ugly head.

The success of this trade seems to hinge on Bolland’s ability to play tough minutes and free up the more offensively-inclined Grabovski, who was stuck with the checking role this season. In Bolland the Leafs are also adding a player that until this season was a mainstay on the Chicago penalty kill, an area hurt by the departures of Komarov and (likely) Bozak. Bolland’s power play production is another area that he has excelled in the past, though this season was disappointing in that respect, and the Leafs could certainly use an upgrade on Bozak in that area.

The good news is that Nonis called Bolland “the type of player that thrives” under Randy Carlyle’s coaching style. Hopefully Carlyle sees Bolland as his Sammy Pahlsson and not another Tyler Bozak.

  • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

    TheCanucksnaphook Taylor?

    • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

      TheCanucksnaphook RielledUp i guess i missed something

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ FreddyG

    Welcome, Taylor. Nice first post.
    I think you’ve nailed it. If this is the extent of Nonis’ additions down the middle, then I hope it’s because Grabovski is being bumped onto a scoring line and Bolland is being relied on to do what he did best in Chicago – be a top end checking line centre.

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    TheCanucksnaphook NEW GUY

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

    Welcome to the best hockey site on the net!
    Nonis words about Grabovski yesterday sounded pretty definitive that the Leafs are going to give him a shot to bounce back next season. He didn’t do his usual “say nothing about anything” answer. He said Grabovski had a tough season in a tough role and will look to contribute to his abilities next fall. 
    There’s no way Carlyle was happy with Grabovski as a shutdown C. It was out of necessity he was placed there, and during the Bruins series, Grabo struggled to produce and he didn’t shut down anybody.
    Bolland will be Carlyle’s pet.

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    • TheCanucksnaphook

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        TheCanucksnaphook ingy56 I’d pay someone to golf for me. #19thhole

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        ingy56 TheCanucksnaphook unclejakescards i really didnt think wang would do it ,,, yashin all over again

  • Pent_House

    Decent article, but same old same old, advanced stats to describe a player. It would be nice to see this site take the next step, and actually get hands on video and do some real analysis.

    • TheCanucksnaphook

      Pent_House welcome to the brave new world….of stats.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      Pent_House Well, let’s think about that for a sec.
      Are we going to watch all of his games, hours and hours and hours of footage? How can we encompass his whole season without looking at his stats like situational ice time? Which provides more anecdotal evidence/an incomplete picture – The  stats, or a few hand picked clips of video?

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      Pent_House Well, let’s think about that for a sec.
      Are we going to watch all of his games, hours and hours and hours of footage? How can we encompass his whole season without looking at his stats like situational ice time? Which provides more anecdotal evidence/an incomplete picture – The  stats, or a few hand picked clips of video?

      • Pent_House

        @Clark17 Pent_House  Aren’t you the smart ass. I’m  not asking these guys to watch his entire season, but some video work to support the stats would be nice. I’m tired of players being reduced and explained by faulty stats. Get some context, see his style of play, I wish these stats would at least incorporate at the bare minimum the fore-check teams used.

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

          Pent_House It wasn’t a smart ass remark. Not just from a practical standpoint – where do you get all that video, who has the time (who isn’t paid to do it) to go through game by game by game?
          Highlight packages are technically video breakdowns right? Video based analysis can be flawed and anecdotal too.

    • wiski

      Pent_House Hey Kurwa that song you played yesterday get lucky is a new song? I thought it was from the 80’s good stuff 😉

    • wiski

      Pent_House Hey Kurwa that song you played yesterday get lucky is a new song? I thought it was from the 80’s good stuff 😉

  • Pent_House

    Decent article, but same old same old, advanced stats to describe a player. It would be nice to see this site take the next step, and actually get hands on video and do some real analysis.

  • Cloud09

    You’ve gotta be kidding right 8yr/48M?? Who the hell does he think he is?

  • TheCanucksnaphook

    Side story….guy I golfed with hit the weed early, crushed beers on the patio and during the round.  Was borderline sloppy by the 18th hole.
    I shot 77.  He shot 73.  Fuck my life.

  • Mattmark

    Should Leafs claim Keith Ballard?  Hits harder than Phaneuf and is more mobile.

    • wiski

      Mattmark I prefer Edler but hmm

      • Mattmark

        wiski Mattmark But Edler isn’t on waivers.

        • wiski

          Mattmark were did you see the waiver list?

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          wiski Mattmark I believe Ballard is on regular waivers too, not for buyout purposes.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          wiski Mattmark I believe Ballard is on regular waivers too, not for buyout purposes.

        • Mattmark

          wiski Mattmark TSN said a couple of hours ago that Gillis had put Ballard on waivers.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Mattmark Maybe if he got bought out and the Leafs could sign him cheaper, but not on that deal.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Mattmark ingy56 Haha…not going there.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Mattmark ingy56 Haha…not going there.

      • Uncle Otis

        ingy56 
        Oh shit…here we go 😉

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Uncle Otis ingy56 Not going there…….

      • Mattmark

        ingy56 Mattmark Might get a good return for Phaneuf, in addition to more cap space.  Could be worth it.
        I think another team (maybe Edmonton?) will claim Ballard though.

      • wiski

        Uncle Otis ingy56 deleted too late damn

      • Mattmark

        ingy56 Uncle Otis My comment has been deleted?  That’s a first.  For suggesting a hockey move someone didn’t agree with??

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Mattmark ingy56 Uncle Otis Odd, maybe Alec doesn’t want the thread hijacked.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Mattmark ingy56 Uncle Otis Odd, maybe Alec doesn’t want the thread hijacked.

      • Uncle Otis

        ingy56 
        I blame the NSA 😉

      • Uncle Otis

        ingy56 
        I blame the NSA 😉

      • Mattmark

        Uncle Otis ingy56 Guess they like Phaneuf.

      • Mattmark

        Uncle Otis ingy56 Guess they like Phaneuf.

      • Bobsyouruncle

        ingy56 Mattmark Uncle Otis So what do you think we could get for a one dimensional player like Kessel? lol Maybe package him with the big dumb Pylon.

      • DWCMLHS

        ingy56 Mattmark Uncle Otis That’s likely it. Personally, I wasn’t even go to touch that one. It wouldn’t have been worth the time. And I always defend Dion when people say stupid shit about him.

      • Uncle Otis

        Mattmark 
        Naw,just Elisha :)

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Mattmark Uncle Otis ingy56 New writer, I think maybe Alec wants some discourse on the article. Besides, this topic has been beaten to death.

      • wiski

        Uncle Otis ingy56 NSA guy walks into a bar and asks for a beer. Bartender import or domestic, NSA guy what’s the difference 😉

      • wiski

        Uncle Otis ingy56 NSA guy walks into a bar and asks for a beer. Bartender import or domestic, NSA guy what’s the difference 😉

      • Mattmark

        ingy56 Mattmark Uncle Otis Well, I was more interested in getting a read on opinions about Ballard than Phaneuf.  If this thread stayed focused on a single hockey topic it would be the first.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Mattmark Maybe if he got bought out and the Leafs could sign him cheaper, but not on that deal.

    • DWCMLHS

      Mattmark Ballard is a third-pairing Dman at this point, hence the buyout.

      • newkb

        But he’s wicked awesome at cranking his goalie…

        • DWCMLHS

          newkb So THAT’s why we got Bernier. To take over for Reimer when Ballard inevitably takes his head off.

        • DWCMLHS

          newkb So THAT’s why we got Bernier. To take over for Reimer when Ballard inevitably takes his head off.

    • Cameron19

      Mattmark Good God, you cannot be serious…

      • Mattmark

        Cameron19 Mattmark Your objections?

        • Cameron19

          Mattmark Cameron19 Ballard barely belongs in the NHL at this point.  Comparing him to Phaneuf is an incredible stretch, even for Phaneuf-haters.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Mattmark This is a troll post. You didn’t just infer Ballard is a superior defenceman to Dion Phaneuf, did you? He’s on waivers, eh?

      • wiski

        Alec Brownscombe Mattmark I’m too tired to PH9 it tonight can we save it for another time 😉

      • Mattmark

        Alec Brownscombe Mattmark There are varying definitions of what constitutes trollish behaviour, but I never heard that expressing a preference for one hockey player over another in a hockey forum was one of them.  In any event, to infer from what I said that Ballard is a superior defenseman to Phaneuf would be an error in logic.  What is legitimately inferable from my post is that a player who may not be the match of another could still be a better fit for a team if he costs less.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Mattmark This is a troll post. You didn’t just infer Ballard is a superior defenceman to Dion Phaneuf, did you? He’s on waivers, eh?

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    TheCanucksnaphook I know a guy just like that, fucking scratch golfer stoned and drunk. Unbelievable. He actually gets better.

    • wiski

      ingy56 TheCanucksnaphook Cause he’s relaxed 😉

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        TheCanucksnaphook wiski ingy56 You may not get better, but it will be interesting. The cart girl better pack extra snacks.

      • Uncle Otis

        TheCanucksnaphook 
        Doesn’t work for everyone….but you sure as hell will have more fun than it sounds like your having now 😉

  • wiski

    Welcome young fella are you shavin yet? 😉 #twitpic

  • mcloki

    Welcome. Good first article.

  • JMAC17

    Nice read, thanks…
    Not a very glowing review of Bolland eh?
    In the end he makes us a better team.
    Anyone think there is a chance he plays Wing?

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Clark17

      JMAC17 No, probably not.
      I think the analysis above was fair.. It was Taylor’s conclusion was that Bolland didn’t produce overly well in the top 6 beside some really good linemates, and has carved out his niche in the past as taking on tough minutes while providing secondary scoring. That’s fine by me and the price we paid is fine for what we’re getting.
      4th round picks probably have a 5% success rate, it’s really just the second for Bolland. Worth it imo

      • JMAC17

        @Clark17 JMAC17 No argument that him at 3rd C is an upgrade, glad we got him/ Think he adds a ton to this team.
        Nonis has added potential in Benier and experience and skill in Bolland, good moves so far.

      • JMAC17

        @Clark17 JMAC17 No argument that him at 3rd C is an upgrade, glad we got him/ Think he adds a ton to this team.
        Nonis has added potential in Benier and experience and skill in Bolland, good moves so far.

    • mcloki

      Stats don’t tell the whole story.

      • Alec Brownscombe

        mcloki I’d agree with the conclusion that Bolland’s abilities are best suited for that shutdown center role under Carlyle.
        There are things that aren’t in the numbers that matter as well, for sure. Bolland has been a winner everywhere he’s gone. Good comment by Nonis – if you have the type of silverware Bolland has, it’s not just because you were in the right place at the right time, it’s because you’re apart of a winning formula. He’s got two rings and still fits the age profile at just 27. He gets under the opposition’s skin. He’s local and will relish being a Maple Leaf. Likely to become a fan fave. All good stuff.

        • Uncle Otis

          Alec Brownscombe 
          I always wonder what would have happened to Gilmour if he got stuck in that defensive pigeon hole.
          Not that Im saying…just saying.

        • rustynail

          Alec Brownscombe mcloki he is fast as hell too fits right in with Leafs speed

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Uncle Otis Alec Brownscombe Dougie broke 100 points in what, his 3rd season in the league for St Louis?
          Not really a comparison to be made here. I think Bolland will be a fan favourite though for sure.

        • wiski

          Uncle Otis Alec Brownscombe Do pigeon toed people have pigeon holes?

        • wiski

          Uncle Otis Alec Brownscombe Do pigeon toed people have pigeon holes?

        • Uncle Otis

          Alec Brownscombe 
          Remember….100 points then isn’t what it is today.
          I say throw him on the first and see what he can do

        • Uncle Otis

          wiski 
          Nope…only bowlegged women :)

        • mcloki

          Yes some people are just winners. Bolland is one. I really like the trade. We’re having a really good off season.

      • Alec Brownscombe

        mcloki I’d agree with the conclusion that Bolland’s abilities are best suited for that shutdown center role under Carlyle.
        There are things that aren’t in the numbers that matter as well, for sure. Bolland has been a winner everywhere he’s gone. Good comment by Nonis – if you have the type of silverware Bolland has, it’s not just because you were in the right place at the right time, it’s because you’re apart of a winning formula. He’s got two rings and still fits the age profile at just 27. He gets under the opposition’s skin. He’s local and will relish being a Maple Leaf. Likely to become a fan fave. All good stuff.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/351875325019426816
    Wonder if DiPietro is a compliance buyout or do they use the hit to help them reach the floor as per usual? plus they lose TT contract to get to the floor

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      wiski Liles…Komi…glad to help out Wanger.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      wiski Liles…Komi…glad to help out Wanger.

    • mcloki

      Compliance comes off the cap doesn’t it.

      • wiski

        mcloki yep

  • Aaron Chan

    Welcome on board dude! Definitely the best Leafs site to write for.

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    Bolland will be a fan fave, hes got a face only a mother could love, but hes gonna be a beauty for us

    • http://twitter.com/jmckelvie RielledUp

      Dangle_My_Berries  a mother.. and this girl

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        • JMAC17

          RielledUp Dangle_My_Berries Bam…that pays for at least one of the picks we gave up for him.

        • JMAC17

          RielledUp Dangle_My_Berries Bam…that pays for at least one of the picks we gave up for him.

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Good tade, good trade, add her to the pile of rocket wives the Leafs have…… This team has one sexy group of better halves, slow clap to all the boys in blue

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Good tade, good trade, add her to the pile of rocket wives the Leafs have…… This team has one sexy group of better halves, slow clap to all the boys in blue

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    • Alec Brownscombe

      Dangle_My_Berries His wife is an 11/10. Pro athletes eh.

    • Aaron Chan

      Dangle_My_Berries -Alain Vigneault

    • Aaron Chan

      Dangle_My_Berries -Alain Vigneault

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/StapeNewsdayhttps://twitter.com/StapeNewsday/status/351868193062658050
    Team will use compliance buyout for DiPietro — $1.5 million owed for next 16 seasons will not count against cap.

    • Burtonboy

      rustynail Well well well lmfao

  • wendelsfist

    Who has the worst contract now – Brad Richards?   Luongo though he is still playing well.  Kovy has the longest.  MAF?

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      wendelsfist Could be Weber, although he already has a good portion of his deal already in the bank.

      • rustynail

        ingy56 wendelsfist only a small portion of it though

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          rustynail ingy56 wendelsfist He gets another good chunk at the start of this season doesn’t he?

        • rustynail

          ingy56 rustynail wendelsfist yup but he gets a ton of them

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          rustynail ingy56 wendelsfist Not even Philly could afford him now.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          rustynail ingy56 wendelsfist Not even Philly could afford him now.

    • JMAC17

      wendelsfist Dont know enough about the cap and buyouts and recapture stuff to really answer that, but they are all bad!…anyone of them could really hurt their teams going forward.

    • JMAC17

      wendelsfist Dont know enough about the cap and buyouts and recapture stuff to really answer that, but they are all bad!…anyone of them could really hurt their teams going forward.

  • Faalcon

    Nice article but did you have to finish it with these remarks ” Hopefully Carlyle sees Bolland as his Sammy Pahlsson and not another Tyler Bozak” ??? do you think Carlyle was just hired in this league ?

    • DWCMLHS

      Faalcon C’mon. Let’s not pretend Carlyle is the best decision maker.

      • Uncle Otis

        DWCMLHS 
        Only if you wont pretend he’s the worst :)

        • mcloki

          Touché Uncle Otis.

        • DWCMLHS

          Uncle Otis DWCMLHS The worst? Jury’s still out on that one. But if he keeps putting AHLers with Dion, and wasting Grabo’s offence in a pure shut-down role again, he’ll probably take the crown.

        • Uncle Otis

          DWCMLHS 
          You forgot Mac :)

        • Uncle Otis

          DWCMLHS 
          You forgot Mac :)

        • Alec Brownscombe

          DWCMLHS Uncle Otis Gardiner was hurt. Gunnar was hurt. The Ahlers had been playing hockey for 4 months when most everyone else was sitting around. It wasn’t that ridiculous, and the results weren’t as terrible as you make them out to be. Obviously, they didn’t stay there for the whole season for a reason.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          DWCMLHS Uncle Otis Gardiner was hurt. Gunnar was hurt. The Ahlers had been playing hockey for 4 months when most everyone else was sitting around. It wasn’t that ridiculous, and the results weren’t as terrible as you make them out to be. Obviously, they didn’t stay there for the whole season for a reason.

        • mcloki

          That’s why they got Bolland to free up Grabo.

        • mcloki

          That’s why they got Bolland to free up Grabo.

        • wiski

          mcloki How free is yet to be seen. 😉

        • DWCMLHS

          Alec Brownscombe DWCMLHS Uncle Otis An injured Gunnar was still better than Holzer and Kostka. It shouldn’t have taken over half the season to realize Gunnar belonged back in that spot.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          DWCMLHS Alec Brownscombe Uncle Otis Gunnarsson ended up sitting for 9 games in February because the injury was too much.

        • wiski

          DWCMLHS Alec Brownscombe Uncle Otis Koska played pretty good at the beginning, RC just rode him right into the ground.

        • rustynail

          DWCMLHS Uncle Otis Grabo played all season like it was a pick up game on the Rideau Canal no mater where he started face offs.

        • rustynail

          DWCMLHS Uncle Otis Grabo played all season like it was a pick up game on the Rideau Canal no mater where he started face offs.

        • DWCMLHS

          Alec Brownscombe DWCMLHS Uncle Otis And surely you can’t be in favor of dressing two enforcers.

        • Uncle Otis

          DWCMLHS 
          Not every night..its just too cruel

        • DWCMLHS

          TheCanucksnaphook DWCMLHS Uncle Otis Bias? It’s not like I disliked Carlyle before I saw him make these dumb decisions.

        • DWCMLHS

          mcloki Right, although they shouldn’t have had to do so to get Carlyle to use Grabo properly. He is just too stubborn. Insisted on having a shut-down line when he clearly didn’t have the right personnel for it.

        • mcloki

          Got them winning and into the playoffs.

        • mcloki

          Got them winning and into the playoffs.

      • Faalcon

        DWCMLHS Faalcon  I suppose it can be difficult to change Carlyl’s mind, however he is one of the best coaches. I am quite sure that players listen when speaks and he extracted much from the team he had. I am a Carlyle fan.

    • DWCMLHS

      Faalcon C’mon. Let’s not pretend Carlyle is the best decision maker.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/StapeNewsday
    Team will use compliance buyout for DiPietro — $1.5 million owed for next 16 seasons will not count against cap
    .

    • Alec Brownscombe

      wiski Called it.. no buyout trades.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      wiski Called it.. no buyout trades.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Alec Brownscombe wiski How the hell are the Isles going to get to the cap floor next season?

        • rustynail

          ingy56 Alec Brownscombe wiski floor fell? Komi could help and that would only be for 1 season

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          rustynail ingy56 Alec Brownscombe wiski Liles too, or Grabo

        • TerrancePelletier

          ingy56 rustynail Alec Brownscombe wiski  lol why is everyone on the Grabo hate he’s a very useful part of the Leafs, he was used in a different role last year and did an OK job all season.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          TerrancePelletier ingy56 rustynail Alec Brownscombe wiski For me, purely his contract. I don’t mind him as a player but it’s a bad deal.

        • TerrancePelletier

          ingy56 TerrancePelletier rustynail Alec Brownscombe wiski  yaa it is a bit much but if he’s producing it would look better and he does produce at 2C…and I love having him there when we play the Habs…he still has a woody for those guys lol

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          TerrancePelletier ingy56 rustynail Alec Brownscombe wiski I sure am rooting for him to get back to his scoring ways, but I’m kind of skeptical at this point.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          TerrancePelletier ingy56 rustynail Alec Brownscombe wiski I sure am rooting for him to get back to his scoring ways, but I’m kind of skeptical at this point.

        • TerrancePelletier

          ingy56 TerrancePelletier rustynail Alec Brownscombe wiski  I still think I’d keep him let Mac go and pick up either Clarkson or Clowe…..both are set to UFA to free up dollars trade Liles and trade/buy out Komi….do both players and you have the extra cap space.

        • TerrancePelletier

          ingy56 TerrancePelletier rustynail Alec Brownscombe wiski  I still think I’d keep him let Mac go and pick up either Clarkson or Clowe…..both are set to UFA to free up dollars trade Liles and trade/buy out Komi….do both players and you have the extra cap space.

      • wiski

        Alec Brownscombe If you think about it, it’s still leaf money buying him out. 😉

        • Alec Brownscombe

          wiski Alec Brownscombe Excellent point

        • Alec Brownscombe

          wiski Alec Brownscombe Excellent point

        • mcloki

          Isles don’t get revenue share.

        • rustynail

          mcloki they do under the new CBA

      • mcloki

        Why wouldn’t you take advantage of a business deal offered.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          mcloki Oh I think the Leafs tried, I just couldn’t get past this sticking point – no team is gonna sell off a major piece just for cash. And no team, even a filthy rich one like the Leafs, is spending that amount of cash for anything but a major piece.

        • Cameron19

          Alec Brownscombe mcloki True, but it’s funny how flawed that logic is for the teams involved.  If you think about the Franson deal, we acquired a top 4 D who finished top 10 in scoring for 5.55 million dollars.  It sucks to give up something good, but it helped Nashville, and it helped us a couple years later.  It’s silly that the teams couldn’t have found a deal that worked for both – there was clearly enough on both sides to make it work.

        • MaxwellHowe

          Cameron19 Alec Brownscombe mcloki Either Isles too stingy for their prospects or MLSE too stingy for the cash.  Probably something in between.  Maybe in the end the Isles felt neither the fans nor those in the organization could accept handing over key chips to an Eastern conference rival

    • Cameron19

      wiski This is probably the saddest news of the off-season, thus far.  I was really counting on a salary trade of some kind. It’s clear we looked into them pretty heavily, but to have nothing come of it…

      • lukethenuke

        Cameron19 wiski high expectations

      • lukethenuke

        Cameron19 wiski high expectations

      • lukethenuke

        Cameron19 wiski as they say… if its too good to be true, its probably too good to be true

      • lukethenuke

        Cameron19 wiski as they say… if its too good to be true, its probably too good to be true

      • mcloki

        Me too.

      • Anthony Petrielli

        Cameron19 wiski Perhaps Ryan Malone is still a possibility? No idea what it would net us at this point though

    • wendelsfist

      wiski NYI need to sort out goaltending now if they want to repeat playoffs

      • MaxwellHowe

        wendelsfist wiski Maybe goaltending is their hold up, but the buy out trade would free up cash for a cash strapped outfit to sign a FA.  Maybe they intend to go the trade route for a goalie and could not afford to sell assets to the TML

  • mORRganRielly

    Welcome Taylor!

  • rustynail

    welcome aboard Taylor

    • Uncle Otis

      rustynail 
      What he said ^^^^^^
      Go easy on the stats for us dinosaurs though 😉

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/reporterchrishttps://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/351885000251158529
    Sergei Bobrovsky’s new deal with https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CBJ&src=hash pays him $5M this coming season and $6.25M next season.

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/reporterchrishttps://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/351885000251158529
    Sergei Bobrovsky’s new deal with https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CBJ&src=hash pays him $5M this coming season and $6.25M next season.

    • wiski

      rustynail Forget Cbus for timmy T

  • Faalcon

    I would think that the CBA was probably not negotiated very well on the owner’s behalf. The net effect of the compliance buyout appears to be that players get too much money too soon and they can still sign with other teams while the teams have to continue to pay. I think 50% would have been fair.

    • wiski

      Faalcon We would still be staring at the podium. lol

    • wiski

      Faalcon We would still be staring at the podium. lol

  • Faalcon

    I would think that the CBA was probably not negotiated very well on the owner’s behalf. The net effect of the compliance buyout appears to be that players get too much money too soon and they can still sign with other teams while the teams have to continue to pay. I think 50% would have been fair.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/351887119473586178
    DiPietro will be collecting buyout money until 2029, when he’ll be nearly 50. Wow. Wonder where he’ll play next.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/mirtlehttps://twitter.com/mirtle/status/351887119473586178
    DiPietro will be collecting buyout money until 2029, when he’ll be nearly 50. Wow. Wonder where he’ll play next.

    • Black_Hawk

      wiski great pension plan right there

  • skippysleafs

    Just read this and I can hope for this….. The Oilers won’t get Nathan Horton, Danny Briere or Vincent Lecavalier.
    Toronto will get two of these players, and perhaps Montreal will get
    the other….possible one with clarkson

  • skippysleafs

    Just read this and I can hope for this….. The Oilers won’t get Nathan Horton, Danny Briere or Vincent Lecavalier.
    Toronto will get two of these players, and perhaps Montreal will get
    the other….possible one with clarkson

    • Mattmark

      skippysleafs Source of all this speculation?

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        Mattmark skippysleafs Oilers blogger on HB…disregard.

        • Mattmark

          ingy56 Mattmark skippysleafs Ah!  Thanks!

        • Mattmark

          Would be nice to end up with Horton and Clarkson though.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Mattmark Not a Horton fan, too injured. In fact, he probably won’t be ready to play until January.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Mattmark Not a Horton fan, too injured. In fact, he probably won’t be ready to play until January.

        • rustynail

          ingy56 Mattmark and doesn’t he want 6 million per? that’s a lot of money for some one with two wonky shoulders and concussion history

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          rustynail ingy56 Mattmark Yep, reason #2.

        • Mattmark

          rustynail ingy56 Mattmark But will he get that from anybody?  This year, players’ wants would seem to have less to do with what they get than ever before.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Mattmark rustynail ingy56 Some GM always loses his mind, I’ll bet he does get near what he wants.

        • Mattmark

          ingy56 Mattmark rustynail I think even GMs so inclined are encountering restraints this year that can’t be ignored.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Mattmark ingy56 rustynail Columbus just signed an RFA to a 12 million dollar deal over two seasons.

        • mcloki

          Why? Is Horton getting work done offseason.

        • mcloki

          Why? Is Horton getting work done offseason.

        • wiski

          ingy56 Mattmark rustynail Not the best year to be trying to hit a homerun contract.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          mcloki Shoulder surgery. Possibly both although I’m not 100% sure.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      skippysleafs Dpn’t read the site but am told Cloutier is a moron

      • Mattmark

        Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs Shouldn’t you watch the trollish language, A?  😉

        • skippysleafs

          Mattmark Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs , how aboot that, I forgot some people r touchy on where u get the news, its just something to talk about

        • Alec Brownscombe

          skippysleafs Mattmark Alec Brownscombe Well, if it’s just for fun despite a terrible source make sure you mention that.

        • skippysleafs

          Mattmark Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs ps Im no troll, I remember when this site started and Jordon and Cam were just pups with there comments

        • Mattmark

          skippysleafs Mattmark Alec Brownscombe Alec is enforcing a slightly narrower range of topic and opinion than usual today.

        • Mattmark

          skippysleafs Mattmark Alec Brownscombe I don’t think there are any trolls here.  Watch what you say about Phaneuf, though.

        • skippysleafs

          Mattmark Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs suggest some other sites for news, I go tsn, Bleacher report, 4th period. hockeybarf for a laugh ( remember when TSN had him at trade deadline and hes was wearing a jason goalie mask LOL)

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Mattmark You inferred Ballard, currently on waivers, is an upgrade on Phaneuf.
          I hope to God you were trolling. Or did I give too much credit?

        • Alec Brownscombe

          skippysleafs Mattmark Alec Brownscombe Oh, sorry, no one is inferring you are trolling skippy. Mattmark was reference an argument from earlier.

        • skippysleafs

          Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs Mattmark I wasnt just marking my spot…”cough” ZIP

        • skippysleafs

          Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs Mattmark plus I own the phrase “brain damage” here dont forget it fellas

        • skippysleafs

          Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs Mattmark plus I own the phrase “brain damage” here dont forget it fellas

        • Mattmark

          Alec Brownscombe Mattmark Didn’t you see my earlier reply?  The opinion you’re attributing to me can’t be inferred from my posts.  Even if it could be, that wouldn’t justify making them disappear.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Mattmark skippysleafs Alec Brownscombe You can critically assess Phaneuf and offer your opinion, sure. I’ll never delete that. Coming into the forums and saying, “Phaneuf is a pylon.” And talking as if Ballard is a replacement for Phaneuf is just clearly coming in to start shit.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Mattmark skippysleafs Alec Brownscombe You can critically assess Phaneuf and offer your opinion, sure. I’ll never delete that. Coming into the forums and saying, “Phaneuf is a pylon.” And talking as if Ballard is a replacement for Phaneuf is just clearly coming in to start shit.

        • skippysleafs

          Alec Brownscombe Mattmark skippysleafs DING DING lets get it on lmao, ok guys ready whip it out and get it over with hahahahaha

        • Mattmark

          Alec Brownscombe Mattmark skippysleafs Please investigate before you shoot, A.  That wasn’t my motive at all.  And ‘pylon’ isn’t a swear word, lots of players have been thus described.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Mattmark Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs I don’t delete swearing. I do delete comments I feel are geared to start a shit storm that will lead to nowhere good, except to devolve the comment section into the same old stupid debates.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Mattmark Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs I don’t delete swearing. I do delete comments I feel are geared to start a shit storm that will lead to nowhere good, except to devolve the comment section into the same old stupid debates.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Mattmark skippysleafs Okay , I investigated. Here’s the comment,
          “Should Leafs claim Keith Ballard?  Hits harder than Phaneuf and is more mobile.”
          What does Ballard have to do with Phaneuf? Why is the first thing you do is compare this waiver-bound player to Phaneuf?

        • Mattmark

          Alec Brownscombe Mattmark skippysleafs Here’s my opinion, for what it’s worth.  Phaneuf constitutes a significant cap hit.  It’s perfectly legitimate to ask if he’s worth it or whether we’d be better off without him and devoting the same resources to another player or two.  I wouldn’t be at all upset to see Leafs pursue the latter course, which would mean having to replace Phaneuf.  But it doesn’t follow logically that his replacement needs to be a better player.  The team could still benefit, on balance, by using some of the money they been paying him to strengthen the club elsewhere.

        • Mattmark

          Alec BrownscombeMattmarkskippysleafs”What does Ballard have to do with Phaneuf?”
          They both play defense.  One’s better than the other, granted, but he’s also significantly more expensive.  The real issue is, what is there about this observation that merits deleting a post?

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Mattmark Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs 
          I didn’t delete the comment, as you’ll see if you scroll down.
          I have deleted only one comment tonight, and it was “Phaneuf is a pylon,” because it adds nothing to the debate and only seeks to stir up shit on a tired debate. You can agree with that much?

      • Knights2Leafs

        Alec Brownscombe
        Moron? Jeebus and here I thought he was a freakin comedian. Oh well, either way, he’s always good for a laugh.

      • Knights2Leafs

        Alec Brownscombe
        Moron? Jeebus and here I thought he was a freakin comedian. Oh well, either way, he’s always good for a laugh.

      • Black_Hawk

        Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs straight up

      • Black_Hawk

        Alec Brownscombe skippysleafs straight up

    • MaxwellHowe

      skippysleafs I just hope the commitment to either is relatively short in years and/or dollars.  Frankly, I think Horton is an injury risk, Briere is past his prime and too small on a team that needs a bit more size, and LeCavalier may be overvalued at this stage of his career.  The Leafs do have some prospects that have waited their turn for a fair shot; they’re going to burn up too many entry level and RFA contracts on the Marlies

      • skippysleafs

        MaxwellHowe skippysleafs I agree but Briere might be fun for a yr, could he be any worse Connolly

        • MaxwellHowe

          skippysleafs MaxwellHowe Well, if you wanna set that bar that low, lol

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          skippysleafs MaxwellHowe I think Briere is going to the habs.

        • skippysleafs

          TheColborneUltimatum skippysleafs MaxwellHowe eeeewww wash ur mouth out

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          skippysleafs TheColborneUltimatum MaxwellHowe I’ll hate it just as much as anybody. But you have to atleast give them a tiny shot when a French Canadian is available.

        • skippysleafs

          TheColborneUltimatum skippysleafs MaxwellHowe Yep my best friend is a habs fans & I dig every chance I get

    • MaxwellHowe

      skippysleafs I just hope the commitment to either is relatively short in years and/or dollars.  Frankly, I think Horton is an injury risk, Briere is past his prime and too small on a team that needs a bit more size, and LeCavalier may be overvalued at this stage of his career.  The Leafs do have some prospects that have waited their turn for a fair shot; they’re going to burn up too many entry level and RFA contracts on the Marlies

  • MikeGartner11

    Nice post. I vote we need a Grabo post from Taylor.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/Mark_Forwardhttps://twitter.com/Mark_Forward/status/351825338621374464
    Petering your Mans bridge. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23canadiansexeuphemisms&src=hash

    • wiski

      https://twitter.com/Dgagne57https://twitter.com/Dgagne57/status/351889135067336704
      Being married is like having season tickets In the RED! https://twitter.com/search?q=%23CanadianSexEuphemisms&src=hash

    • Faalcon

      wiskiPut another way, when Toronto falls, it is a hero’s fall many most know and most care. For the rest,
      except a few, it is just sparrow’s fall and when a sparrow falls no one
      knows and few care.

  • Rebnats

    what do everyone think of Ribero on a 2 year deal, he would be great with Kessel

    • skippysleafs

      Rebnats I would take any of the “top” guys for a yr or 2, come on everyone cant possibly suck can they

      • Rebnats

        skippysleafs Rebnats wouldn’t ribero be a good stop gap so we could make sure Kadri ca be # 1 center and Colbourne could be # 2 Center

  • Rebnats

    what do everyone think of Ribero on a 2 year deal, he would be great with Kessel

  • skippysleafs

    ok give me some news sites, and yes I use twitter

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      skippysleafs MLHS

      • skippysleafs

        ingy56 skippysleafs haha duh

        • skippysleafs

          ingy56 skippysleafs so we all just site here and wait for new to appear…ok

        • skiingallday

          skippysleafs ingy56 ya pretty much. Or when you’re super bored, hop on to MLHS, there’s bound to be a few of us on here.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          skippysleafs ingy56 Lots of good guys to follow on Twitter…LeBrun, MacKenzie, Dreger’s been sketchy lately, there’s usually a beat writer for every team out there worth following .

        • skiingallday

          ingy56 skippysleafs you kinda have to follow TSNbob if you meet the two criteria :
          You’re canadian
          You have twitter

        • skiingallday

          ingy56 skippysleafs you kinda have to follow TSNbob if you meet the two criteria :
          You’re canadian
          You have twitter

  • skippysleafs

    ok give me some news sites, and yes I use twitter

  • Anthony Petrielli

    DWCMLHS Thought you had an interesting idea of trying to trade Colborne for a winger on my post from this morning.

    • Uncle Otis

      Anthony Petrielli 
      If we intent on peddling Lil’ Joe, I’d rather it for a d-man.

      • Anthony Petrielli

        Uncle Otis Anthony Petrielli Yeah I have no idea how they’re going to get a D-man.

        • Uncle Otis

          Anthony Petrielli 
          Gotta give to get..but my feeling is Colborne’s value has waned a bit, and the only way to build it up is to play him in a regular role.
          Not giving up on him by any means,but as always, it simply depends on the return.

        • Uncle Otis

          Anthony Petrielli 
          Gotta give to get..but my feeling is Colborne’s value has waned a bit, and the only way to build it up is to play him in a regular role.
          Not giving up on him by any means,but as always, it simply depends on the return.

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Uncle Otis Anthony Petrielli For sure. Hey, right now he’s a top nine winger on this team. Where, I don’t know, but until they add more guys…

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Uncle Otis Anthony Petrielli For sure. Hey, right now he’s a top nine winger on this team. Where, I don’t know, but until they add more guys…

        • Jay_Berg

          Is there someone on Calgary that would fit our needs? They are awful up the middle and Colborne would be ideal for them I would think.

        • Jay_Berg

          Is there someone on Calgary that would fit our needs? They are awful up the middle and Colborne would be ideal for them I would think.

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Jay_Berg They have some solid NHL wingers, but nothing you give up a kid for. There isn’t really a deal there to be made.

        • Anthony Petrielli

          Jay_Berg They have some solid NHL wingers, but nothing you give up a kid for. There isn’t really a deal there to be made.

  • Uncle Otis

    Looks like the knives are out for Mac-T already
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/06/30/jones-wheres-the-deals
    That didn’t take long lol

    • Black_Hawk

      Uncle Otis thats why you dont say your going to make big splashes

    • Black_Hawk

      Uncle Otis thats why you dont say your going to make big splashes

  • Uncle Otis

    Looks like the knives are out for Mac-T already
    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2013/06/30/jones-wheres-the-deals
    That didn’t take long lol

  • MaxwellHowe

    The new CBA, along with the salary cap, seems to make team building virtually impossible.  The draft is the only way to go now, and unless you land a few top picks by tanking or trading a superstar, there is little chance of getting anywhere. There is a reason no one is trading.  And the best free agents are either over the hill or demanding contracts that mortgage the team’s future.  I don’t envy Nonis.  Best the Leafs could do is invest heavily in the Marlies and turn that operation into the best player development system in the world.

    • Burtonboy

      MaxwellHowe Exactly what Poulin said . Development is critical in a cap system.

      • MaxwellHowe

        Burtonboy MaxwellHowe The Marlies need to be more than a AHL team; it needs to be an academy

        • skippysleafs

          MaxwellHowe Burtonboy but heres hoping the new dean is as good as the last

        • Burtonboy

          MaxwellHowe Burtonboy Exactly what Poulin said lol. Thats where the leafs financial might  can be put to good use

      • wendelsfist

        Burtonboy MaxwellHowe And Nonis’s talk about avoiding overpaying for free agents and RFAs.  This summer he didn’t outbid Koma for the KHL and Orr took a haircut.

        • Burtonboy

          wendelsfist Burtonboy MaxwellHowe We spend to the cap ceiling most yrs . Can’t do any more then that . Cap management is the most important position in the organization these days. So far he making his dollar count . Couple of more contract mistakes of the past to correct and we are in excellent shape

      • wendelsfist

        Burtonboy MaxwellHowe And Nonis’s talk about avoiding overpaying for free agents and RFAs.  This summer he didn’t outbid Koma for the KHL and Orr took a haircut.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      MaxwellHowe Thus my aversion to trading a Gardiner or Rielly to get Letang and pay him 7.25 million.

    • skippysleafs

      MaxwellHowe totally while evryone I knew was hacking on the leafs for whatever was common at the time, I was always looking at the kids with a smile. And it just got better with age eh

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    Welcome aboard Taylor Wright!

  • skippysleafs

    See and I dont get the trading Colbourne…really? Look at him huge kid who can play C, screw the d-man needed go from within

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      skippysleafs I think Bolland has had some injuries in the past. We might need Colborne

      • skippysleafs

        TheColborneUltimatum skippysleafs Ya man we create depth and all people want to do is trade it all before it gels GOD

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          skippysleafs TheColborneUltimatum Also if Colborne is traded I may need to change my name. The Komisarek Ultimatum?

        • skippysleafs

          TheColborneUltimatum skippysleafs O ya I see that now

      • Knights2Leafs

        TheColborneUltimatum
        And we need a winger with size.  Surprise….  Joe C is 6’6″.  Let him get some quality NHL time on the wing till he’s needed at center.

        • Burtonboy

          Knights2Leafs TheColborneUltimatum Joe said he would play goal if they asked him lol

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          Knights2Leafs TheColborneUltimatum That’s what I think will happen. I’m predicting a Kulemin- Bolland- Colborne third line. And Colborne could bounce around if there are injuries.

        • Knights2Leafs

          TheColborneUltimatum
          On top of everything else it helps us out big time with the cap.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          Knights2Leafs TheColborneUltimatum I thought that too. I hope that some of Colborne, Damigo, and Blacker make the team to ease the tension on the cap.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          Knights2Leafs TheColborneUltimatum I thought that too. I hope that some of Colborne, Damigo, and Blacker make the team to ease the tension on the cap.

        • skiingallday

          TheColborneUltimatum Knights2Leafs totally thought you were referring to Burtonboy and Joe playing goal.

        • skiingallday

          TheColborneUltimatum Knights2Leafs totally thought you were referring to Burtonboy and Joe playing goal.

        • skiingallday

          TheColborneUltimatum Knights2Leafs totally thought you were referring to Burtonboy and Joe playing goal.

        • skippysleafs

          TheColborneUltimatum Knights2Leafs Let the kids play!!! then if they suck trade them

        • Knights2Leafs

          Burtonboy
          At least he should be good at playing the puck behind the net.
          Nah – let’s give Bernier a shot at that.

        • Knights2Leafs

          Burtonboy
          At least he should be good at playing the puck behind the net.
          Nah – let’s give Bernier a shot at that.

        • Burtonboy

          Knights2Leafs Burtonboy lol. Its funny people are talking about playing him on the wing . He was asked about that when he was called up last yr. Apparently he played a lot as a winger in college

    • wendelsfist

      skippysleafs Colborne in package for a better C or experienced dman makes sense.   Nonis is adding lots of C depth but there are also lot of UFA Centers this year.  Dman are not getting bought out and not as many making free agency.  Maybe Ballard is bought out.

      • skippysleafs

        wendelsfist skippysleafs ARGH quit trading the kids, I lived through alot of this and YECH I remember the 80’s, develope is better than any avenue by far these days

        • Uncle Otis

          skippysleafs 
          It’s all hypothetical Skip,and prefaced on an excellent return of a young up and coming dman from my perspective.
          I like Nonis “nobody’s untouchable” mantra, and he’s not shown to be one to trade youth for over the hill vets like the horrors we all so vividly remember.

        • skippysleafs

          Uncle Otis skippysleafs O ya I agree but DTA for a dumb move here and there, ex gms are like ex gf’s u never really trust the next one do you

        • skippysleafs

          Uncle Otis or  ur just really cautious

        • skippysleafs

          Uncle Otis or  ur just really cautious

        • Uncle Otis

          skippysleafs 
          Damn,between the Leafs and old flames, that’s’ a lot of heartbreak 😉

        • skippysleafs

          Uncle Otis skippysleafs good thing I found a nice petit native girl in the end..1st rounder

        • Uncle Otis

          skippysleafs 
          Hahaha…good for you.
          Hope you locked her up long term/no trade. :)

    • Anthony Petrielli

      skippysleafs Think it’s just an asset management thing. If they could get a natural winger it would be nice. But I like Colborne and think he’s better as a winger.

      • skippysleafs

        Anthony Petrielli skippysleafs Yep exactly I guess its a sore spot on this fan, I think Joe could end up being a huge surprise with time, big kid great hands

        • Anthony Petrielli

          skippysleafs Anthony Petrielli Yeah. Kinda curious where he fits though. No matter what they’re basically forcing him into a role, unlike Kadri where it was pretty clear cut and seamless last year.

        • skippysleafs

          Anthony Petrielli skippysleafs I see no difference Kadri started at wing back to Centre now so it could work for Joe

        • Anthony Petrielli

          skippysleafs Anthony Petrielli Kadri played only center last year. Kadri’s younger than Colborne. This is the tip of the iceberg of differences.

  • thebigbokowski

    Does Colbourne make the leafs outta training camp as our 5th c? or do we send him down to the marlies for more seasoning? IMO theres not much more for him to learn from the A. Leave him with the big club and have him for spot duties/injuries.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      thebigbokowski It’s time for him to stay with the leafs. Give him a smaller role but let him learn from his mistakes.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      thebigbokowski It’s time for him to stay with the leafs. Give him a smaller role but let him learn from his mistakes.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      thebigbokowski Depends on how much more work Nonis does to the roster. I’m not sure if Big Joe has much waiver exemption left either.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      thebigbokowski Depends on how much more work Nonis does to the roster. I’m not sure if Big Joe has much waiver exemption left either.

      • TheColborneUltimatum

        ingy56 thebigbokowski I dont think he’s played that many nhl games. I think under 30

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          TheColborneUltimatum ingy56 thebigbokowski 16, so he’s good for a while? I’m not sure of the rules.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          ingy56 TheColborneUltimatum thebigbokowski I thought you had to play around 60 games. I’m pretty fuzzy on the rules though.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          TheColborneUltimatum ingy56 thebigbokowski Yeah, me too. I remember Jake has used up all his exemptions.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          ingy56 TheColborneUltimatum thebigbokowski Same with Kadri. They both hit theirs early this past season.

        • thebigbokowski

          TheColborneUltimatum ingy56 thebigbokowski Waiver rules put aside, there comes a point in time when its time for a guy to stick. I feel like that time is now for him. May be SOL though with the leafs.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          TheColborneUltimatum ingy56 thebigbokowski It must be 80 games, Jake has played 87 and I remember they didn’t call him up until very late in the season.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum ingy56 Yes, you’re right…at some point they have to decide if a player is going to make it or not.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum ingy56 Yes, you’re right…at some point they have to decide if a player is going to make it or not.

  • skiingallday

    Our current centers:
    Kadri
    Grabo
    Bolland
    Colborne
    McClemment
    Obvs Coblorne isn’t going to play 4th line mins, so that makes it a difficult situation for him. I could see these two situations. A) He’s traded B) Gets some time on the 3rd line wing
    I prefer B

    • Jeff_Mintz

      skiingallday does mcClemment have to play center or could we have him and bolland on a shutdown line togeather with the better of face off man of the two taking the draws?

      • skiingallday

        Jeff_Mintz skiingallday that would be interesting

  • skippysleafs

    My vision of building a team is letting them grow, then eventually when someone is pushing someone out of there spot, then they can be moved still with plenty of value. I just see it constantly other teams getting these great players by letting them develop and all we did was trade them away…owen nolan anyone?, so yes if someone is pushing someone like phaneuf out then YES u trade him.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      skippysleafs When it comes to trades I hope we’re talking to Colorado. I think both teams could really help each other out.

      • Mattmark

        TheColborneUltimatum skippysleafs Stastny, maybe?

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          Mattmark TheColborneUltimatum skippysleafs Stastny reminds me of Lupul. We gave Lupul a new chance and he thrived. Could maybe work for Stastny too.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          Mattmark TheColborneUltimatum skippysleafs Stastny reminds me of Lupul. We gave Lupul a new chance and he thrived. Could maybe work for Stastny too.

      • Mattmark

        TheColborneUltimatum skippysleafs Stastny, maybe?

  • skiingallday

    Welll my new roster as of now for the leafs would be
    Lupul Kadri Kessel
    JVR  Grabo  Kulemin
    Colborne Bolland ___
    D’amigo McClemment Orr
    Phaneuf Gunnar
    Franson Gards
    Fraser Blacker
    Who fills in the blank? Does Mac come back?
    Do we see
    JVR Bolland Colborne as a line and reunite the MacGrabboKuli line?

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      skiingallday I think Kulemin drops to the third and a free agent fill the second line wing.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      skiingallday I think Kulemin drops to the third and a free agent fill the second line wing.

      • skippysleafs

        TheColborneUltimatum skiingallday um Clarkson hello

        • skiingallday

          skippysleafs TheColborneUltimatum skiingallday we’re banking on the “hometown reasonable price” otherwise that guy will make bank as he’s one of the only decent FA’s

        • TerrancePelletier

          skiingallday skippysleafs TheColborneUltimatum the Rangers are letting Clowe walk too!

        • rustynail

          TerrancePelletier skiingallday skippysleafs TheColborneUltimatum pass

        • rustynail

          TerrancePelletier skiingallday skippysleafs TheColborneUltimatum pass

      • skiingallday

        TheColborneUltimatum skiingallday so that’s where Clarkson comes in? but I feel someone will overpay for him

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          skiingallday TheColborneUltimatum I’d like Clarkson but not for too much money. Horton then maybe.

        • skippysleafs

          TheColborneUltimatum skiingallday Lets hope Clarkson and Bolland are good buddies then

        • skippysleafs

          TheColborneUltimatum skiingallday Lets hope Clarkson and Bolland are good buddies then

        • skiingallday

          TheColborneUltimatum skiingallday heeellllll no to Horton, he’s way to injury prone. We’ve already got Lupul (sorry but true).

        • skippysleafs

          skiingallday TheColborneUltimatum Well we could get maybe a total of 82 games between them, just share a postion

        • skippysleafs

          skiingallday TheColborneUltimatum Well we could get maybe a total of 82 games between them, just share a postion

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          skiingallday TheColborneUltimatum I’m not a Horton fan either. Just thinking about free agents who can fill the gap. I hope we’ve said goodbye to Mac

        • skiingallday

          skippysleafs skiingallday TheColborneUltimatum lol

        • skiingallday

          TheColborneUltimatum skiingallday I’m not a Mac fan at all, but he’s sure better than a lot of the guys out there.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          skiingallday TheColborneUltimatum I’d bring him back if we’ve missed out on Clarkson.

        • skippysleafs

          skiingallday TheColborneUltimatum Yep I dont really care for big mac much anymore, someone deserves his spot

  • Burtonboy

    -Keon- I never could understand spending 24 million to acquire a 20 yr old prospect who hasn’t played a game in the NHL

    • -Keon-

      Well, I am not sure that’s really the issue for me. You hear and read it all the time, a certain team, a certain owner just doesn’t have the money to pay these players out etc. I think that we’re people get it wrong, these guys have money, lots of it and their interests are more diversified than just hockey. They can all find th money if they wish to, all they have to do is move money around between their different holdings to account for it.
      Young players and 1st round picks are so valuable these days with the salary cap, even picks that have not even been selected yet carry a huge value. In order t come in under the cap, especially this year, teams have to have young players on ELCs to make it work.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      -Keon- The Islanders should have no problem getting under the cap. I dont even know if they can get to the floor. Just there’s a difference between when we basically bought Franson from Nashville then buying someone like Strome from the Isles. Strome hasn’t even played a game. So much of a question mark there.

    • Burtonboy

      -Keon- Totally agree with you on that . Just wait and see how many mid range players are put out of jobs because of cheaper ELC.s . Just like the last lockout

    • skippysleafs

      Burtonboy -Keon- Europe teams are gonna get stacked again

    • Burtonboy

      -Keon- I can see something on a much lower dollar value for sure . I think under the surface when Nonis said he wanted to make room for a couple of the Marlies its because he wants a couple more cheaper contracts on his roster

    • Uncle Otis

      -Keon- 
      I think the Isles should have taken the $$ and run..prudent financial decision in a place where few would notice/short memories.
      If these owners ran their businesses like they do their hockey teams,they’d need a Center Ice package just to watch them.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Burtonboy -Keon- Some of these guys are pretty close though.

    • TheColborneUltimatum

      Burtonboy -Keon- Some of these guys are pretty close though.

    • Burtonboy

      TheColborneUltimatum Burtonboy -Keon- For sure which makes it a lot easier

    • Burtonboy

      TheColborneUltimatum Burtonboy -Keon- For sure which makes it a lot easier

  • skiingallday

    fuuuck I’m so excited for the prospect tourney this summer. Always so fun to watch.

  • TheColborneUltimatum

    Management deserves a ton of credit from building the bulk of this team through trade vs drafting.

    • thebigbokowski

      TheColborneUltimatum Was kinda forced upon the Burke era as we have basically nothing when he arrived.

      • TheColborneUltimatum

        thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum Oh for sure but it’s still impressive.

        • TheColborneUltimatum

          thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum Still think the 1C will come from us drafting one though.

        • thebigbokowski

          TheColborneUltimatum thebigbokowski Not if we continue to make the playoff and draft @ 20+

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum we just gotta get lucky in the second round like Boston has done countless times

        • skiingallday

          Dangle_My_Berries thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum Like drafting Matt Finn 😉

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          skiingallday Dangle_My_Berries thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum exactly….but of the centre position

        • thebigbokowski

          Dangle_My_Berries skiingallday thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum Soooo Matt Stajan 2.0. haha.

      • TheColborneUltimatum

        thebigbokowski TheColborneUltimatum Oh for sure but it’s still impressive.

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      TheColborneUltimatum he most certainly took the hard road