Thursday Morning Leafs Roundtable: I Came, I Saw, I Awakened Leafs Nation

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As most of you have probably already heard/seen, Tim Leiweke gave a rather incendiary interview with Bloomberg.  The written version can be found here or feel free to check out the video below:

Leiweke on NFL in Toronto, Maple Leafs ‘Winning’

“He arrived alone, bringing no staff with him from California. He took a look around. He didn’t like much of what he saw.”

Just yesterday, Cathal Kelly from the Toronto Star had the opportunity to interview Tim Leiweke and he echoed many of the points he touched upon in his interview with Bloomberg, including the ones that really polarized Leafs fans.  You know what I’m talking about; the stripping down of glory day photos from the ACC and  having the Stanley Cup parade route planned for Toronto.   As with the Bozak and Clarkson signings, I once again made it a point to survey the landscape before reacting to Leiweke’s comments on Tuesday. On the one hand, many are labeling Leiweke as arrogant and dismissive of Toronto’s storied history, while others say he’s the disruptive infusion the organization needs in order to become…*deep breath*…Stanley Cup contenders.  As a matter of full disclosure, I lean more to the latter and believe that Leiweke is the kind of leader/winner who will be instrumental in driving top-down organizational behavior that is befitting of a Stanley Cup Champion.  In reading the Toronto Star article, here are some of the reasons why I think Leiweke is the right guy for the present day Maple Leafs:

He has the personality and demeanor to be the CEO of the Maple Leafs

 “Leiweke is impressive in front of a group. One-on-one, he’s Clintonian”

“The key to this charisma is the apparent guilelessness of his enthusiasm, the easy confidence”

Whether you hated, or loved, Brian Burke, you couldn’t deny that he had charisma and brought a different tone to the organization.  Burke was a larger-than-life personality.  Most of us can only judge Leiweke based on what we’ve seen and heard over television, radio, and print media. In person, charisma and aura are things that can permeate through an entire organization and I reckon that our opinion of him would be quite different if we had the opportunity for face-to-face interaction.  “But Aaron, charisma can’t win you a Cup”. That statement is 100% correct and, thankfully for us, he won’t be lacing-up for Randy Carlyle any time soon.  MLSE didn’t bring him to to play, they brought him in because…

His vision for the Leafs is infectious

“If Chicago had one million people, Toronto will have two.”

“We’ve built more arenas and stadiums than anyone in the world, ever – including the Romans!”

After almost of decade of fruitless, and sometimes embarrassing, attempts at gaining entry into the Stanley Cup Playoffs, Leiweke is asking us to envision a time where 2 million Torontonians will flood the streets and create a sea of blue and white throughout the city.  People are edified by the substance of their ambitions and I don’t blame Leafs fans for not seeing what he sees. However, just because our suffering has dulled our imagination doesn’t mean that thinking big is wrong or arrogant. Also, there is something to be said about someone who compares his prior accomplishments to that of the Romans. Still, a vision without action is only a dream and I think MLSE will execute because of…

His unprecedented ambition

“I asked (Rogers CEO) Nadir (Mohammed) and (Bell CEO) George (Cope), ‘If I came to you with David Beckham, would you let me sign him?’ And they said, ‘Yes’.”

“Then I said, ‘If that’s the case, then why haven’t you?’ And they said, ‘Because no one ever asked.’ And that was it.”

“That’s his M.O. – the big splash. He isn’t a builder. He’s the guy who stages the place before the open house.”

The David Beckham comment is the most telling. This may be a soccer example but it tells you something about ownership’s eventual impression of Brian Burke. Please note, I don’t mean to say that Burke wasn’t ambitious.  If anything, I have always sung his praises for how he was able to salvage a substantial amount of value from the scrap pile he inherited in 2008, and how he subsequently built the organizational depth back to respectability. You, however, cannot deny that Brian Burke was not stubborn and unwilling to fully exploit MLSE’s financial advantage. Remember the 5-year contract rule? Championship teams are built through a combination of internal development and synergistic free agency additions.  Often times, Burke’s self-imposed rules priced us out of the running for big name players. I’m not saying that back-loaded, deep-sea diving, 15-year contracts are acceptable for the Leafs, but we were never really swinging for the fences either. Fast forward to the signing of David Clarkson, probably the most sought-after free agent this summer and this is the first time the Leafs have really shown a willingness to pay top dollar for, what management deems as, a key player going forward. No disrespect to Burke, but if he were still the Leafs’ GM, we wouldn’t be contemplating 7-year contracts for free agents.

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Here’s what some of our writers had to say. Also, Michael Langlois from Vintage Leaf Memories was kind enough to join us for this week’s round table.

“We likely need to draw a distinction between these incessant “ceremonial” events that MLSE seems to construct every few games, as well as the in-game video tributes to former players and all that.  If the organization wants to dial that stuff down, I’m fine with that.  I’ve said before that if they want to truly honour the old-time great teams, invite (at no cost) older fans to attend an event at the ACC or wherever on a non-game day/night.  (We oldsters might prefer daytime!) You might only draw a few thousand people, but every single person that did attend would actually be there to honour the former players and teams.  We know those players and have such fond memories of them and of those really good Leaf teams. When they host these events at the ACC on a game-night, the vast majority of the people in the stands (those that bother to sit in their seats) don’t have a clue who some of the old players are, and just want the game to start.  It’s a waste of everyone’s time.  That’s not “honouring” players.

 But when it comes to taking down pictures, I don’t get that at all.  Whether we’re talking about photos from the ’50s or the ’90s, those photos are part of Leaf lore, and more importantly, those great old-time players are an integral part of the Maple Leaf legacy.

Were it not for those players and coaches (and the success the franchise did have at times from the 1930s under Conn Smythe to the ’60s under the ownership of Stafford Smythe) does anyone really believe people would still care about the Leafs?  They built such a fantastic heritage that, despite 45 plus years without a Stanley Cup, the team is still relevant today. In fact, probably more popular in a sense than ever. This new guy talks like he invented the concept of “change”, “winning” and all that.  How much did this individual really have to do with the success of the Lakers, Kings or Galaxy?  C’mon.  He was not the GM, not the coach, not the owner, not a scout.   The Leafs don’t need to change their culture.  They just need to win.  Perhaps this guy will learn that what will impress most Leaf fans is running a classy organization, one that respects and truly honours the past, and also wins games-and championships – now. Some fans seem to see these Leiweke comments as some kind of welcome breakthrough.  I’m trying to understand that perspective but I’m struggling to.

For me, his bold proclamations are the same old thing we’ve been hearing for years.  Culture of change, excellence, winning…” -Michael Langlois (@VintageLeaf)

“The Toronto Maple Leafs are a franchise with a very deep history and the fans have an almost equally long memory. When Leiweke said, “I don’t want the players walking in the hallways of the Air Canada Centre and seeing pictures from 1962. Get rid of those pictures and tell them, this is your legacy.” My initial reaction was, “fucking right.”  I might get a lot of flak for saying this but, I love the balls that Tim Leiweke has. I’m sure that my view on this might be due to my young age, (the Leafs I grew up with were Sundin, Domi, Tucker and Kaberle) but I think it’s pretty easy to get mired in Toronto’s history and it’s refreshing to hear that it’s healthy to move on and forge a new legacy.

I’m not a big football or soccer fan so those elements of the article weren’t particularly interesting to me, though I do enjoy Leiweke’s candour when speaking to the damage that has been done to the brands and the failings of the teams. His ambitious goal to double the company’s value in 5-7 years and his estimation that 30% comes from winning is also heartening to hear and seems consistent with what we had  previously heard about creating a winning mentality and erasing “blue and white disease” from Burke.

The exciting part of Leiweke is that he seems like he understands that Toronto has resources at its disposal that put it in an advantageous position relative to other teams. Things like having excellent facilities, an in-city AHL team, and developing desired staff (whether it’s coaches, general managers, video guys, etc.) are areas where Toronto can flex its financial muscle, and has recently. I like hearing that Leiweke understands that and seemingly plans to exploit those advantages. ” –Taylor Wright (@Taylor_Wright)

“There’s a fundamental difference between hoping for success and planning for success. People who consistently achieve success do the latter. Lieweke’s comments are being blown out of proportion. He’s not saying we should ignore the Leafs’ history, he’s saying the brand – as it currently stands – is far too reliant on it. I do not disagree, at all.

Look at the New York Yankees. They revere their history, but the modern-day team has achieved success by being defined by a modern-day core of players. We still talk about Darryl Sittler’s 10-point game like it was yesterday. We roll out Wendel Clark to forcibly push the idea that a recently-acquired player (however good he may be) is even close to a comparable. The Yankees remember Babe Ruth, but they don’t build PR and Marketing campaigns around him. That is what Lieweke means.

He’s saying we can’t step into tomorrow with our feet firmly planted in yesterday. He’s not wrong. We’ve been doing that for a long time, now – and haven’t achieved a morsel of success. Move forward.” –Matt Mistele (@TOTruculent)

“My thoughts on MLSE CEO Tim Leiweke are fairly simple. He’s certainly brought the type of overwhelming self-confidence and bluster not seen since Brian Burke departed seven months ago, albeit in a much more significant executive role.  Similarly to Burke, Leiweke is coming to Toronto after  earning his sports management laurels in California.  At the helm of Anschutz Entertainment Group, he guided the LA Lakers, Galaxy and Kings to a combined 9 titles during his tenure.  He’ll be given a wide berth from ownership, and has already hinted at his desire to make major player acquisitions to build a winner.  But, much like Burke, pedigree is no indicator of future success; and he’ll soon find that bravado and bull shit ahead of failure will tire in this city quickly.As to his parade planning, two things.  Firstly: what, did you expect the guy with 9 championships to be meek? Secondly: how many people would have eaten that line up if it had come from Brian Burke in November of 2009?And on the topic of the photos being taken down? Grow up.  If the Toronto Maple Leafs have to stretch and further back into history to find someone to praise, they’ll be rolling coffins onto the ice.  The Leafs don’t even play in the same home rink as they did when they won all their Stanley Cups, and you’re getting upset over Leiweke taking down some photos on the way to the dressing room in the ACC? C’mon, Maple Leaf Gardens is LITERALLY a grocery store now, and you think this picture nonsense is sacrilege? Give your head a shake.Now, all this said… has he made the right choice to place so much confidence in Dave Nonis? The answer is beyond us until October, but it’s possible.  I’m also not a fan of his blatant nepotism hires in the acquisition of Troy Bodie.  Seriously, who wants their son-in-law to live in the same city as him, as well as pay for the move? Guy might not be dealing from a full deck.” –Michael Stephens (@MLHS_Mike)

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  • Optimustic

    I don’t know if TL is the man to bring LSC to Toronto or not, but I don’t have any choice but to hope that he is.  Here’e to the future of the TML.  I’ll never let go of the past though —- Too much glory and respect —  Until the last while the boys deserve to be honoured.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Michael Langlois nailed it.

    • Optimustic

      Alec Brownscombe I agree, “those great old players are an integral part of the Maple Leaf legacy” .  And, yes we’ve heard the bold proclamations before, I think he was reffering to Burkie mostly.

    • Greg Fenton

      -Keon- He isn’t removing history. He is taking some of the pictures that are constant reminders of the past to put more of a focus on the present.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    I don’t know why Burke is getting this rep as if he wasn’t willing to make a big splash, though.
    How many blockbusters has that guy pulled off? Maybe the reason why he didn’t sign a crazy long term deal is because, when he was in office, there was nobody who for whom he could justify the risk.
    Tough to say if he would’ve signed Clarkson at that term. I lean toward yes.

    • Optimustic

      Alec Brownscombe Clarkson was his type of player so you could be right,  I’m not sure about that though.   One thing for sure is that he would have tried.

    • Greg Fenton

      Alec Brownscombe First, we have no idea how good or bad Richards would have been here. He might have clicked with Kessel and/or Lupul and had back to back 80 point seasons. Second, if Burke got his way Richards would be a Leaf, for 3 or 4 less years but at a much higher cap hit. Its not as if Burke has some great foresight that kept him from signing Richards. He had a set of self-imposed rules which prevented him from getting the player he wanted.

    • Greg Fenton

      -Keon- If the rules allow it, how it is cheating the system? The NHL didn’t like that the rules allowed it, but they did. And he did try sign Richards. He did try to trade for Mike Richards, who is locked up until 2020 on a sliding scale contract. 
      Its not as if he just avoided those contracts all costs or anything. He was never in a position to have to give one out (if Kessel had wanted a 15 year contract who he was goign to walk, do you think Burke would have let him go?), and missed out on the players he wanted who were either on those kinds of contracts or who would have demanded them.

      • Greg Fenton

        -Keon- No, but if Burke had his way Brad Richards would be a Leaf right now with an 8.5 or 9 or 9.5 cap hit. And he wasn’t so against the contracts that he didn’t try to trade for a couple players on them. 
        I’m just saying holding Burke as some example of a GM with great foresight who saw what was coming or great integratey who refused to do something that was wrong is really looking back with rose coloured glasses.

      • Greg Fenton

        -Keon- Except for when he tried to sign Brad Richards to a huge contract and tried for trade for Mike Richards how is on one of those long term contracts……

      • Greg Fenton

        -Keon- Also, its not integrity when you don’t do something because you think you be punished for it down the line. Thats avoiding punishment, which is the opposite of integrity. 
        And if he knew Mike Richards contract was against the spirit of the CBA, why would to aquire him? Why endorse the contract by bringing into the fold? Why not avoid it because you know/think it will come back to hurt you in a few years? If he has his great foresight about Brad Richards, why offer him a huge contract, with a big cap hit? 
        Burke did some good things with the Leafs and screwed them up a bit. I’m just not a fan of attributing things to him in hindsight that he clearly didn’t have.

      • Bobsyouruncle

        Greg Fenton -Keon- Burke didn’t think Mike Richards contract was against the spirit of the CBA.   
        “The term isn’t the issue. Mike Richards’ deal and Rick DiPietro’s deal — there’s no issue there. There’s no back diving, there’s no cap saving and they’re guys that can be reasonably expected to play until that point in time”

  • Dink

    This topic is filed in my “who gives a shit” file

  • mlclearwater

    I like Tim, lets give him some time. No offence but this article is boring.

    • Optimustic

      mlclearwater I like the article enough, maybe it just seems boring because the last one was so interesting.   It was a really good interview, and we only seem to get them in the summer in either this form or in the Leafs Annual that used to come out in August or September.

  • dlb eh

    BURKE’s 5 YEAR CONTRACT RULE
    was for OLD guys.
    seems he was right about Richards and Kovalchuk.
    there’s NO evidence to suggest he wouldn’t resign Kessel or any other young star to a long contract.
    there’s no certainty to whether or not Burke would have offered Clarkson the same contract Nonis did.  it would have been ONLY a question of whether or not he felt the player would have still been a worthy contributor on the latter years of the contract.  i’d bet Burke would have taken the chance on Clarkson.  there’s no guarantee.  ask him.
    but i hate reading stuff that’s only half true, sorry.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      -Keon- Exactly, he hated those back-diving deals that were designed for cap circumvention. He couldn’t compete against teams that offered them, or I should say he chose not to compete. Time has shown he was correct for the most part.

    • Greg Fenton

      dlb eh Also no evidence he would have resigned them to a long term contract. If we go by his words and actions, I think its reasonable to assume/conclude that he wouldn’t have gotten into a long term contract with anyone. For example, I dunno if he woul dhave given Kessel a 15 year contract under the old system.  
      As for Clarkson and the 7 years, the landscape changed, that might have changed how Burke did things. Ultimately we don’t know, and Burke probably doesn’t know.

    • Cameron19

      -Keon- It didn’t seem to matter how many times he explained his stance, almost no one understood him.

  • Faalcon

    Alec,
                 Very good interview with Cronin. Well done.

  • .JVR.

    I may have gotten too much sun/heat the past few days, but what does everybody think about possibly bringing in Jagr?

    He’s over 35, so he could technically sign a deal with a base salary of $600K and then have $5 million in different bonuses, much like the deal Iginla signed with Boston.

    His cap hit for this season would only be $600K and any of the bonuses he reaches would go against the cap next year and it’s gonna be going up anyway.  It’d definitely suck if he reached all his bonuses and we were stuck with a $5 million cap hit next season and no player, but that’s a chance I’d be willing to take:

    JVR   –   Bozak   –   Kessel
    Lupul   –   Kadri   –   Clarkson
    Kulemin   –   Bolland   –   Jagr
    McLaren   –   McClement   –   Orr
    (Colborne, D’Amigo, Ashton)

    • dlb eh

      .JVR. 
      NO

    • dlb eh

      .JVR.
      give Manny Molhotra a chance along with the Marlies to battle McLaren for his 4th line position (and i’m fine if McLaren wins it)
      Jagr’s position there is for a Marlie or a player we haven’t even considered yet
      Manny has size and speed and was once great at faceoffs and making the smart plays.  what is he now?  i vote we take the chance on him.

      • .JVR.

        dlb eh
        If nobody else is brought in, I wouldn’t mind seeing Malholtra signed to centre the fourth line, with McClement on the wing with Bolland and Kulemin.

        • rustynail

          .JVR. dlb eh he can’t see

    • Optimustic

      .JVR. I’d rather do it with ” our own team”  Bringing in Jagr, reminds me of the days when we kept trying to win by bringing in veterans that used to be great.

      • Greg Fenton

        Optimustic .JVR. No team does it with 100% home grown talent. 
        I don’t think bringing in Jagr is the right move, he doesn’t strike me as the kind of veteran you want in a leadership role or anything, but bringing in a payer like that is no different then bringing in Clarkson. They are/would obvisouly be brought in to serve different purposes, but still bringing in veterans players to try to win. 
        If it was Iginla, I’d be all for the move.

        • Optimustic

          Greg Fenton Optimustic .JVR. IU agree that no team wins with all home grown talent, but we used to try bringing in too many players that were at the end of their careers and had little left to offer.  I’m not sure about Iginla, but I like the addition of Bolland, and the addition of Clarkson for the short term.   Once in a while bringing in an older player is great, but we’ve done it too often in the past.

        • Greg Fenton

          Optimustic Greg Fenton .JVR. Absolutly. The Leafs are still a team build on trades and UFA signings. And building around 33+ year old UFA”s isn’t how they should try to win. But ignoring all players 32 or older is bad as well. This team needs/could use 1, 2 or 3 33+ year old veteran players. 
          7 years of Clarkson isn’t short term. Kids who are born now will be in 2nd grade when that contract is up.

        • Optimustic

          Greg Fenton Optimustic .JVR. I agree that Clarkson’s isn’t a short term contract, I meant that I like it for the first 3 or 4 years, after that, we may ( or may not ) like the cap hit.  It depends on how he’s playing at the time and what happens to the cap by then.  It the cap rises significantly then it could be OK still.  If it doesn’t rise by much and Clarkson is injured often or not playing well, then we may regret the term of the deal.

      • .JVR.

        Optimustic
        Oh, you mean the years where this team actually had success in the playoffs and made it to the Conference Finals?

        You’re right, that would be horrible!

        • Optimustic

          .JVR. Optimustic We bought limited success most of them years, and were not usually considered legit contenders for the cup.  Even in 93 I don’t think the Leafs were expected to go as far as we did.

        • theacs1966

          Optimustic .JVR. No one thought they would get by Det in the first round.

        • Optimustic

          theacs1966 Optimustic .JVR. Thats what I felt, if you remember the final four teams that year were TML, LAK, NYI, and the Habs.   None of them were top two in their devision so once they got past the first round most of the best teams were eliminated.

        • theacs1966

          Optimustic theacs1966 .JVR. They were down 0-2 to Det going back to the Joe.  They had no business winning that series.  Det and PItt went down in the first round, it was wide open after that.

    • Dink

      .JVR. Jagr will go to highest bidder anyway, it is his modus operandi

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      .JVR. Would rather take a flyer on Brunner, he’s young and fits into the stable of young players the team is assembling. If they had to bring in a vet, Cleary would also be a good choice IMO.

    • Pent_House

      .JVR. That’s not how it works for the cap-hit. All the bonuses are on the cap-hit, you have to have that cushion. No thanks to Jagr any way

      • .JVR.

        Pent_House
        Nope, I believe the “cushion” is above and beyond the cap and doesn’t count against it this year.
        If he reaches the bonuses, then the hit goes towards the cap next year.

    • mcloki

      Love Jagr,but no he should retire gracefully.

  • jcg_4

    Just what we need, another loud mouth; we don’t put up with ” I ” guy’s on the team; why do we have them in leadership. This idiot has come in a the perfect time; our team is on the upswing and when they win people are going to think it’s cause this moron  pissed on our history…f//k him and the arrogant horse he rode in on

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      jcg_4 I’m more than willing to give the guy a chance, but he’s pissed me off with his attitude about the franchise history and the wave of proclamations about what he’s going to do. I prefer “show me” types vs. “tell me” types.

    • NotInsane

      jcg_4 
      Calling him an idiot smacks of jealousy.  He’s clearly smart.  Don’t think he pissed on our history; he just took down some pictures in a hallway for players.

  • NotInsane

    Great article, Michael.
    I have no problem with nepotism so long as the person is competent.  Think Blake Geoffrion got a job as a scout with Columbus because of his SAT scores? 
    Who doesn’t want their son-in-law in the same city?  I’d be keeping a close eye on my little girl… especially when the son-in-law is a 6’5 beast of a man.  Damn!

  • NotInsane

    LN-093 
    He’s always won before and expects the same here in TO.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      NotInsane LN-093 Courtesy of @bobsyouruncle who posted this yesterday:
      Tim Leiweke was hired to run L.A. in 1996.  
      Tim Leiweke’s  Kings “Run to the Cup”:   
      96/97 – Missed playoffs.   
      97/98 – Lost 1st round.   
      98/99 – Missed playoffs.   
      99/00 – Lost 1st round.  
      00/01 – Lost 2nd round.   
      01/02 – Lost 1st round.   
      02/03 – Missed playoffs.   
      03/04 – Missed playoffs.   
      05/06 – Missed playoffs.   
      06/07 – Missed playoffs.   
      07/08 – Missed playoffs.  
      08/09 – Missed playoffs.  
      09/10 – Lost 1st round.   
      10/11 – Lost 1st round.   
      11/12 – Won Stanley Cup.    
      Kings won one (1) playoff round in Leiweke’s first 14 years with L.A.   
      ALL ABOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Dink

        ingy56 NotInsane LN-093 why did they hire him I’d like to know..lol

      • Tommy Cat

        ingy56 NotInsane LN-093 That puts it into prespective!  No wonder he said cups are won through the draft.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        LN-093 ingy56 NotInsane Just pointing out that this “winning culture” he supposedly brings is a lot of spin. I also think Phil Jackson and Kobe Bryant had quite a bit more to do with the Lakers success than Wickie did.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        LN-093 ingy56 NotInsane No, I didn’t neglect it. I just don’t consider it in the same vein as the other major sports. Anyone can write a cheque.

      • Belfour20

        ingy56 NotInsane LN-093 I dont care how many rounds he won, at the end of the day they won a stanley cup. the MLS team also won titles, the lakers also won titles. Why do you only look at the kings?

      • Dink

        Belfour20 ingy56 NotInsane LN-093 lol well the Toronto soccer and basketball team sure won’t

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        -Keon- Absolutely, however given that record though do you think he would have been at the helm in Toronto for 14 seasons? I doubt it. I’m just pointing out that this “success at every level” narrative that seems to be evolving around Wickie isn’t exactly true.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        -Keon- I tend to think the wolves would have been circling after 4 seasons in Toronto. Different market, in LA, the “ice hockey” team sits behind  NFL, MLB, college sports and MSL in terms of visibility in the MSM.

      • theacs1966

        ingy56 NotInsane LN-093 That’s the power of positive thinking.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        -Keon- For sure, how many “5 year plans” have we all witnessed?

      • wendelsfist

        ingy56 NotInsane LN-093 So the leafs are ahead of schedule

      • Greg Fenton

        ingy56 NotInsane LN-093 In the same time period the Leafs missed the playoffs just as many times and won 8 playoff rounds but have no cup to show for it. 
        Which record would you rather have?

      • Greg Fenton

        ingy56 -Keon- The problem in Toronto is, they keep getting aborted after year 2.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

      LN-093 NotInsane There is no question this guy is about the money, that is his main job, but the difference is, he knows that a winning team makes his job easier.

    • Greg Fenton

      LN-093 NotInsane I don’t think its a loser mentality. Its an acceptance mentality. Its a “personal best” mentality.

  • mcloki

    Initially I was wary of Tim. But the more I read and see, I can see its just his style. He just has to win. And he needs to surround himself with loyal people. I don’t think he’s ready for the internal politics if Toronto sports. And combine that with the internal politics of 2 media companies. Backs are just waiting to be stabbed in the halls of Rogers and Bell everyday.

  • mcloki

    Well the old pictures weren’t winning and the hockey Hall of Fame is down the Street.

  • Dink

    3 Leafs I expect to really get to the next level this season are :
    JVR
    Gardiner
    Kadri

    • Komas Taberle

      @Dink I’ll add Bernier, Granberg & Rielly

  • Belfour20

    I dont get why people continue to complain about Tim Leiweke, so what if he wants to take the old photos down? if you want to see all the old leafs, go to the HOF! I love this city but I hate most of the fans. I want to win as much as anybody else does, and if  that means taking down a bunch of old pictures then im more than ok with that. 
    The guy is passionate about what he does and sure maybe he talks a lot of shit, but so what? we arent paying his salary. he has even been on the job 6 months yet and the city is ready to crucify him. 
    But he planned a parade you say? 
    Pretty sure if it wasnt for BOSTON’s miraculous comeback, half the city already had the parade planned. 
    Let the guy do his job, let him create a buzz and excitement about this city. He wants us to be on the same level as the Yankees, Man U, Lakers, and Cowboys. 
    I’m not sure about you guys, but I for one would be hella proud to be on the same level as any of those teams. 
    That’s the kinds of organizations winners want to play for. 
    people are just getting upset over his words, grow up! 
    He wants to bring change, guess what, times are changing, and if you dont change with them you get left behind. 
    Take all the damn photos down, I dont need to be reminded of not winning anything since 1967 anyways! 
    same people who have an issue with these photos being taken down probably dont even know women have rights yet either.

    • Dink

      Belfour20 I guess he should have just did it without announcing it…

      • Belfour20

        @Dink Belfour20 You can’t please everybody, then when people show up at the ACC wondering where all the pics have gone, he’ll have to hold a press conference to announce  what he did to them.

    • Belfour20

      -Keon- Was just annoyed

      • Belfour20

        -Keon- Why does this city love to live in the past? im proud of the past, but damn! we havent won anything since the past! 
        keeping those pics up hasnt helped us win anything since 1967, so why not try another avenue?

      • Belfour20

        -Keon- I’m proud of this team regardless if they have pictures up or down. Tim Leiweke taking down these pics wont change how i feel about my teams heritage. 
        It’s just change, the past will always be there.

      • Belfour20

        -Keon- plus if you have leafs tv you can still relive the past all summer long and throughout the season.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Belfour20 This is one hilarious final sentence.

      • wiski

        Alec Brownscombe Belfour20 LOL who let them out of the kitchen anyway. 😉

  • Komas Taberle

    I have the parade planned, it starts in Newfoundland and wins it way all across Canada to Victoria Island.
    And Leiweke is only taken down some pictures from the players area, so unless some of you are Leaf players it won’t matter a bit to the rest of us.

  • Dan39

    Tim Liewicke is going to make the Leafs a Stanley Cup Champion by changing the culture? By being more ambitious? Are you kidding me?
    This guy is absolutely irrelevant in a salary cap environment.
    What I can see him being successful at is buying a championship for the TFC and rebuilding that organization into a sell-out franchise and big money success – I could care less.
    He might even be able to do something with the Raptors, like have their uniforms redesigned to be cooler – I could care less.
    But, I don’t see him being able to do anything with the Leafs except add to the already over-the-top commercialization of the team.

    • MaxwellHowe

      Dan39 I do think the Leafs should be ambitious when it comes to player development.  Now if he invests heavily in this respect, the Leafs might benefit from their financial advantage.  And I mean making the Marlies a player development outfit first and foremost, with the best training facilities and coaches in the world.  The Leafs are the richest hockey team in the world, so why not?

      • GeorgeCastanza

        MaxwellHowe Dan39 Exactly what I’ve always said. MLSE can spend loads of money on scouts and player development. Use their vast resources to buy, bribe, extort insider information , tips, clues, and scoops on every prospect that can skate all over the world, trying to find those hidden gems.

        • GeorgeCastanza

          MaxwellHowe Dan39 Leafs should be stealing great scouts from other organizations with their money.

        • Greg Fenton

          GeorgeCastanza MaxwellHowe Dan39 The Leafs drafting is the problem. They are a pretty good drafting team. Have been for at least a decade, if not longer now. The only problem wit hthe drafting in recent years is that they haven’t gotten lucky, and you can’t really blame them for that.

        • Greg Fenton

          GeorgeCastanza MaxwellHowe Dan39 The Leafs drafting ISN’T the problem, sorry.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Greg Fenton GeorgeCastanza MaxwellHowe Dan39 Leafs have never bottomed out to the point where they could pick up an immediate impact player like Towes or Tavares. They have done quite well in the spots they have picked, but you have to go all the way to the bottom to pick the franchise guys and Leafs never have.. There’s no drafting skill required to pick a Taylor Hall or a Yakupov. You actually don’t even need a GM to select players when you finish last or second last for long stretches. The trainer could do it.

        • Greg Fenton

          Xxxxxnew Greg Fenton GeorgeCastanza MaxwellHowe Dan39 Or you have to get lucky (see the Red Wings). And the Leafs have bottomed out, the problem is the Bruins had the picks. 
          I disagree about no skill being involved in drafting early though. I think the Thrashers/Jets would like have Pieterangelo instead of Bogosian at this point. I’m sure Tampe would like to have Duchene or Kane instead of Hedman today. Thomas Hickey doesn’t look so hot at 4th overall. 
          I’m saying that drafting isn’t the Leafs problem. They have drafted well for a long time now and when/if they get a series of early pick I’m not scared they’ll mess it up or anything. Their development system doesn’t seem to be an issue either. As you said, its just lack of oppertunity to get the top prospects.

        • MaxwellHowe

          Greg Fenton Maybe more initiative is required.  With 2 weeks remaining in the 2011-2012 season, Carey Price suddenly discovered he had an unexplained and vague injury.  Budai starts the rest of the Habs games and, lo and behold, they fall to 3rd last in the standings.  And take Galchenyuk, who probably will be the #1 centre the Leafs need.
          Thats how i remember it anyway

        • Greg Fenton

          MaxwellHowe Greg Fenton I don’t think the Leafs are bad enough to be int hat position anymore, but I’d be all for tearing this team down and starting over (As I’ve said, I don’t think this roster has cup winning potential). 
          During Burkes first year here had a similar situation, Toskala was out to deal with an injury (they still thought he was a #1 guy) so Pogge couldn’t stop a beach ball, rather then let Pogge play out the season they brought in Gerber, who won more games that Pogge probably have and ruined their draft position.

        • Dan39

          If Tim came out and said something sensible like “We’re going to double our spending on scouting” I would be thrilled.
          Änd I’m not a stats guy but even if he said “We’re going to invest heavily in building an advanced stats department””
          Again, I would be thrilled.
          Instead, he’s going to change the culture and tell people to aim higher and blah blah. Couldn’t be more unimpressed.

  • Jay_Berg

    Sorry if this was posted already but nice to see PHT giving MLHS some props.
    http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/17/leafs-assoc-coach-i-was-thinking-about-round-2-home-ice-during-boston-collapse/

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/43_Kadrihttps://twitter.com/43_Kadri/status/357893752993480705
    Tough shift this morning bro https://twitter.com/search?q=%23legdays&src=hash http://t.co/Zuaz3fPDYg
    This is how I work out too :)

    • wiski

      ingy56 Doesn’t look like Roberts place?

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        wiski ingy56 I wouldn’t know LOL

      • Xxxxxnew

        wiski ingy56 Dont think it is. Heard he’s doing daily sessions with the skating coach so he’s probably at a leafs facility.

    • MaxwellHowe

      ingy56 Tomorrow’s Toronto Star will feature this picture tomorrow with a caption calling out Kadri for lying on his back and lazing around all summer.

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        MaxwellHowe ingy56 Haha….exactly.

      • B_Leaf

        MaxwellHowe ingy56 
        looks like Clarkson

      • Dink

        MaxwellHowe ingy56 or injured

  • theacs1966

    I’m a negative person by nature.  I don’t like being positive just for the sake of being positive.  4 yrs ago my Mom got very sick, she should have died, we were told by more than one Doc that she would and they pretty much gave up on her.  I was positive, not because it was my Mom and I didn’t want her to die, but because I knew how tough she was.  I knew her, the Docs didn’t.  It took 2 yrs but she made it home and is there to this day.  Contrast that with my Dad.  He died a few months ago, I didn’t go see him the last 2 weeks because it was far too upsetting and he wasn’t asking for me.  He had quickly lost his mind and he had some serious heart and kidney problems.  I knew he was going to die from it, others around me were more positive.  Why?  Because the thought of him dying was too much and they saw a way out for him.  I didn’t.  No one wanted to be more wrong than I, my Dad was the person in my life I was closest to.

      Last yr the Republican party was convinced that Romney would win, despite evidence to the contrary, polling and such.  No matter, the thought of losing was too much for them.  So, they suspended any knowledge of anything else and simply decided to believe that he would win.  They were shocked that they lost, not just that they lost, but lost bad.  LIewicki isn’t acting like I did when my Mom was ill, he acting like the Republican party.

       He has not said one word about how he would achieve the results he believes will happen.  Again, no one wants to be more wrong than I.  A Leafs dynasty would be heaven on earth, I still don’t think it will happen.  It’s not like we can spend more money on players, the single largest expense of a winning team.  You can talk about intangibles till the cows come home, but it will not mean a thing if you don’t have the right players.  Bringing in Beckham, or taking down black and white pictures will not translate into one more goal or save on the ice.  He hasn’t told us how positive thinking will translate to on ice success.  He hasn’t’ said anything about how he will get or hold onto assets.  Getting and keeping good players will lead to success, not taking down old pics, and he hasn’t said how his positive thinking will work.  I could believe with all my heart and soul that my hair will come back, but it won’t, or I could believe that I could play pro hockey, but I can’t.  Positive thinking alone will not accomplish anything.  He sounded just like what he is, a CEO.  I believe he can double the price of the MLSE in 7 years, not because of him but because of the brands and the market, a market that can be abused with contempt.  Lousy teams, ticket hikes every year, and we still belly up to the bar for more, that is why he will be successful.  Besides, what else is he going to say?  I think our teams will be lousy and the value of the MLSE will be cut in half under my leadership?

    • theacs1966

      P.S. sorry about the book length of my comment.

    • B_Leaf

      theacs1966 

      Leafs prospered last year with Carlyle’s humble no excuses approach. Do your talking on the ice…that is all.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

      theacs1966 Sorry about your Parents.

      • theacs1966

        Radar O’Rielly theacs1966 Thanks, it was just my Dad that passed, Mom is still going strong, the are/were both 79.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/43_Kadrihttps://twitter.com/43_Kadri/status/357893752993480705
    Tough shift this morning bro https://twitter.com/search?q=%23legdays&src=hash http://t.co/Zuaz3fPDYg

    • theacs1966

      wiski GET UP!  I have you down for 80pts next year, no lollygagging.

    • Komas Taberle

      wiski he is practicing his rolling in money look.

  • Reimocerous

    Welder24 Dislike.

  • Belfour20

    Welder24 Kind of hard to say that when the guy owns every leaf record tho.

    • Belfour20

      -Keon- Oh is that all hes missing?

    • Belfour20

      -Keon- well if we measure greatness by points, than i guess that would mean hes the greatest Leaf ever. but if it’s measure by most points and goals in a game, than I guess sittler is the best by far! 
      I dont get why people don’t give mats any credit, is it because we traded Clark to get him? or maybe it’s because hes european.

    • Xxxxxnew

      Belfour20 -Keon- At the time it was both, even though Clark was pretty broken down by then.

    • Welder24

      Belfour20 -Keon- No, neither of those.  It’s because he was just plain mediocre, plain and simple.  Never won a single thing in the NHL.

  • MaxwellHowe

    Wow! Congrats on the superfast reaction to the Sundin troll.  He was disappeared like Hoffa.

  • .JVR.

    Just wondering, how much say will Leiweke actually have in Hockey Operations?
    I mean, aren’t Nonis and his crew the ones making the decisions?

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      .JVR. Hopefully none, but acquiring Bodie leaves me wondering.

    • theacs1966

      .JVR. That is what I”m worried about.  We’ve seen this movie before.

  • Xxxxxnew

    Last person to get rid of historical Leafs stuff was Harold Ballard. Got rid of a lot of the old Stanley Cup winning banners and had the gondola ripped out of the MLG and sold for scrap.
    I take it Leiweke has never been to the Bell Centre. Absolutely fabulous the way Habs history is part of the building. The concourse walking in and the museum in the rink itself.

    • .JVR.

      Xxxxxnew 
      I agree, history should be honoured!

    • Komas Taberle

      Xxxxxnew And how many cups have the Habs won in the Bell Centre?

  • theacs1966

    What does this guy know of history?  He came from a team born in 67.  The Leafs have been around for almost a century.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

    Simple really, and probably what will actually happen.  They will build a wing onto the ACC and it will be called The Toronto Maple Leafs Hockey Hall of Fame.

    • Greg Fenton

      Radar O’Rielly They used to have a museum on the York side of the building, above the shop. They closed it down about 5-6 years ago.

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

        Greg Fenton Radar O’Rielly I wasn’t aware of it, bad advertising I guess.

    • Xxxxxnew

      Radar O’Rielly I like the way the habs have done it right in the building. You access it from the hall on one of the levels, just a few steps down and it’s like you’re in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

    • theacs1966

      Radar O’Rielly The Maple Leaf Gardens memorial wing.

  • B_Leaf

    Who will be the most improved Leaf this coming season?
    1) Jake Gardiner…50 pts? 2-way top four.
    2) Jonathan Bernier…9.25 save percentage, 2.00 GAA
    3) Nazem Kadri…80 pts, more TOI
    4) Phil Kessel…40+ goals, 100+ points
    5) Tyler Bozak…close to 70 pts
    6) JVR…0.9 pts/game
    7) Cody Franson…top four, 50+ points
    8) Petter Granberg…makes team, plays meaningful minutes
    9) Nic Kulemin…scores 25 goals
    10) James Reimer…2.00 GAA, .930 save %

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ Radar O’Rielly

      B_Leaf 9.25?

    • theacs1966

      B_Leaf I’ll go with Gardiner and in keeping with the latest in positive thinking, he will get 70 pts and get nominated for the Hart and Norris.  I see him as a Karlsson type player, as far as his success goes, he just needs the ice time and of course he must stay healthy.  He should be on the first PP setting up passes on pillows for Franson to blast home, much like Kaberle and McCabe did for a couple of years.  He was great in the playoffs once he finally got in and I expect his confidence to be sky high.

    • Tim Horton

      B_Leaf All of the above!

    • Alec Brownscombe

      B_Leaf I say none of these things will happen outside of maybe Phil breaking 40.

    • MaxwellHowe

      B_Leaf Joe Colborne.  Going to make the starting line-up out of camp and be an impact player on the 3rd line.

    • Xxxxxnew

      B_Leaf Trouble is its getting tougher and tougher to put up points every year. It’s just dwindled over the past decade and more so now you only have one guy who tops 100 points in a season. Phil was sixth in scoring two years with 82 points. The year Gilmour had 127 points he was eighth in scoring and 13 guys had between 100 and 160 points.

    • Greg Fenton

      B_Leaf It will probably be Gardiner or Bernier
      It would mean the most to the team if its Kessel and/or Phaneuf. Its not so much the stat increase, but if either or both can take their overall game to that next level. That would truely fill a need the team has.

    • Dink

      B_LeafThe Presidents Trophy if all that happened…
      how about a #11…Lupul plays 82 games

    • Leafbites

      B_Leaf Emergence of Gards as a regular, lethal threat.

  • Komas Taberle

    Burke and Nonis have gone fishing in Queen Charlotte Islands

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Komas Taberle They even took an enforcer.

  • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

    I like Matt and Mike’s comments. 
    I find it embarrassing we have old Leafs at games and 1967 is this thing that will never be matched again. 
    At some point, you have to give the ball to the players and say: “You have to win a cup with this group and anything else is a complete failure.” 
    I love the Leaf’s history, I love the players, I love the ceremonies, but enough is enough. As Matt said, we’re going to be walking out guys in coffins to represent the history of the team very soon. “Modern Day” high-water marks are losses in the ECFs. That’s disgraceful and the club should be ashamed. The lovable losers shit has to stop and now is a good a time as any. “Burn the boats”. All of them. It’s going to take a seismic shift in thinking from the fans, the players, the management and the ownership to get to the point where only a cup matters.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

      I like the idea of having full sized photos of all the players around the building. “This is your team and your legacy as a Leaf” and it be loud and proud.

    • wiski

      DeclanK Fuck the ceremonies, I liked how Carlyle kept them in the room last year. If you want to have a ceremony have it at 6:30pm.

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

        wiski DeclanK I gave him a slow clap on that one. Thank god.

    • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

      TheCanucksnaphook DeclanK The reason they have an increasing fan base has nothing to do with the past, it has to do with dominating the media and national HNIC/TSN broadcasts.

      • rustynail

        DeclanK TheCanucksnaphook and why do they do that?

      • Tommy Cat

        -Keon- Well said.

      • rustynail

        -Keon- 100% true

    • Greg Fenton

      TheCanucksnaphook DeclanK Removing some of the pictures isn’t discarding the past.

      • Greg Fenton

        TheCanucksnaphook Greg Fenton First, have you been the ACC? The hall ways are so packed before and after the games, and in between periods no kids are looking at the pictures and asking “who is that” and getting a history lesson from their mom or dad. 
        Second, they’ll continue to learn about it the same way their learn about it now – from their parent, family members, tv broadcasts, books, DVD’s, etc… Its not like some pictures being gone will mean the end of questions and learning. 
        Third, do we even know if he had ALL the pictures removed? Or did he just have some? ANd what is the negative in trying to change the players and fans mind set from “this is af ranhciset hat had a lot of success in the past” to “this is the team that is going to win the next stanely cup in this city”?

      • Greg Fenton

        TheCanucksnaphook Greg Fenton Can’t I have my opinion on it?

      • wiski

        TheCanucksnaphook Greg Fenton Soup Natzi

    • Xxxxxnew

      DeclanK I don’t think hiding Leafs’ history will have even the remotest effect on future success.  
      The recent swell of recognizing the Leafs past is because the team’s past was flushed down the toilet during the Ballard era and wasn’t revived afterward until recently. The organization has been playing catch-up.
      Under Ballard former players were not welcome around the rink and most evidence of past success was ripped down in the building. And what was the team’s record during those years. 13 seasons in a row when the Leafs never won more games than they lost, struggling most seasons to put up 25 wins.

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

        Xxxxxnew DeclanK Not sure it’s worth debating at this stage. I see both sides of the coin and I’m not sure any convincing could take place. I’d like to see a new legacy with this team. 9 years of walking out Leaf greats with no playoffs soured me on it, TBH.

  • Jmessih

    Am I the only person worried that Carlye may not play Gardnier and Franson together?
    They were fantastic together during the playoffs, but I feel like he did it our of necessity. I’m not sure he will go back to it if he has other options, I sure hope he does though.

    • jimmyg65

      Jmessih I complained a few times on here about Carlyle’s stubborness last year in regards to sticking with line combinations and players that weren’t getting it done–no PP time for Gardiner, using Bozak on PP only because he had an 8% better chance of winning the face off, benching guys like Gardiner and Liles to play Koska, etc.

      I will say this: Carlyle does seem to recognize when he’s wrong and make the necessary adjustments. I hope he remembers how effective Gardiner and Franson were together and gives them a chance at the beginning of the year.

      • mlclearwater

        jimmyg65 Jmessih they were also the two dmen on the ice that passed the puck to bergeron so he could tap it into an empty net…but I like them both, they just need to to keep working and being physical defensively to gain ole randys trust

        • jimmyg65

          mlclearwater jimmyg65 Jmessih That’s it exactly: it takes a while for a player to earn his trust, but once they do Carlyle can let them run with it. I think he understands (being a former Norris winner) just how long it takes to learn how to be a solid D man who doesn’t just rely on offensive skill (a la Subban). That can only be a good thing in the long run.

        • mlclearwater

          jimmyg65 mlclearwater Jmessih Franson was way more physical last yr and he needs to continue that, he got beat wide a bit too much. Gardiner struggled but went fuckin nuts against boston. If Carlyle doesnt equate us getting hemmed in our zone for long periods with Gardiner not playing i’ll be surprised. He is a great puck mover and a minute muncher

      • Jmessih

        I love him as a coach but some decisions (2 enforcers) were just head scratching. All I hope is they start together, because they were such a good pair that they would only grown and give no excuss to be separated.

        • Dink

          Jmessih they said that about the last coach to win the cup in Toronto

      • Xxxxxnew

        jimmyg65 Jmessih Gotta remember that it was only a 48 game season without a training camp and Carlyle was still figuring out his personnel. He was only behind the bench for 18 games the year before and a guy like Gardiner was out for long stretches of time with his concussion.

        • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ DeclanK

          Xxxxxnew jimmyg65 Jmessih The shortened season allowed the AHL players to come in (I hate this saying), hitting the ground running, in terms of game conditioning and timing. Players like Kostka, Holzer, etc had an edge over some of the NHLers. That subsided as players got their game legs under them and I think Carlyle was slow to react to that.

      • The_Polish_Cannon

        He didnt correct his mistakes until the playoffs tho. It took a game 1 loss and injuries for him to put together the line combinations we’ve been calling for all year. That’s been my biggest complaint against Carlyle as well, his personel management is atrocious and frustrating to try and comprehend.

        • jimmyg65

          The_Polish_Cannon I’m hoping that making the playoffs and having a real training camp will make him a bit more flexible about giving some of the young guys a chance to take bigger roles on the team.

  • wiski

    https://twitter.com/MapleLeafshttps://twitter.com/MapleLeafs/status/357908710665879552
    The https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Leafs&src=hash begin the preseason on September 15th against the https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Flyers&src=hash: http://t.co/uoxmN3ocAM https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TMLtalk&src=hash

  • Jmessih

    I can’t believe we actually have to debate this, removing the pictures is just stupid and very disrepectful.
    I loved everything else TL said but he inharated a team with no history (they couldn’t even win with the great one) and he is not a sports guy he is a business guy. People are acting like he gave the lakers, galaxy and kings those championhips, NO! He just said “yes, spend the owners money” when GM’s asked him if he could. Yes he has great marketing ideas and I can’t wait to see them but he needs to respect the history of this organization. Ok end of rant!

    • Xxxxxnew

      Jmessih It’s really grasping to think that the reason the Leafs aren’t where they want to be is because of photos in a lobby. The players never come in that way anyway.

      • Jmessih

        LOL the second sectence killed me.
        Like you don’t see teams in any sport taking down pictures of their glory days. I find it surprising the peopel actually agreed with his comments on the photos.

  • Dink

    I just removed 4 people I was following on Twitter because they are obsessed with Corsi, spouting it on and on and on…
    Sorry guys, nothing personal…

    • Aaron Chan

      @Dink I cleansed my timeline not too long ago as well. It was well worth it.

      • Dink

        Aaron Chan :)

  • Aaron Chan

    So it sounds like I’m in the minority here eh? :)

    • Greg Fenton

      Aaron Chan I agree with you

    • Dink

      Aaron Chan depends if Harold Ballards picture is one of them

  • rustynail

    https://twitter.com/andystricklandhttps://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/357891676938829824
    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23stlblues&src=hash Chris Stewart appears headed for Arb…rejects Oshie deal http://t.co/99cpWaBuF7

    • mlclearwater

      rustynail Kulemin + Liles for stewart? I would love this guy in blue and white

      • rustynail

        mlclearwater rustynail I like Kulie better

        • mlclearwater

          rustynail mlclearwater I like Kulemin but feel he walks after this season to go with his butt buddy grabbo. Met kulemin last summer outside the Steamwhistle brewery and have never met anyone so unenthusiastic about the leafs. Id love to resign him if he stays in the 3-3.5 range but i just dont see it so we need to get something for him

      • Greg Fenton

        mlclearwater rustynail So would I, but I think it will take a lot more then that. 
        Just a useless side note on Stewart, in 2006 Barry Trapp wanted to draft Chris Stewart with the 13th pick. Ferguson wanted to draft Tlusty. Trapp was very vocal about his opinion and wrong he thought Ferguson was. Ferguson drafted the guy he wanted and fired Trapp for disagreeing/the way he disagreed. So if the Leafs head scout at the time had his way, Chris Stewart would have been a Leaf.

        • rustynail

          Greg Fenton mlclearwater rustynail they may end up walking away from his arbitration if it is over 3.5

        • Greg Fenton

          rustynail Greg Fenton mlclearwater if thats the case, they certainly aren’t taking 6.675 salary back for him.

        • rustynail

          Greg Fenton rustynail mlclearwater nope they are not

        • NotInsane

          Greg Fenton
          Damn you JFJ

        • phaneufoundlander

          Greg Fenton mlclearwater rustynail Jeez, just what I needed..another reason to hate Gonzo…

  • mlclearwater

    Our vets will be honored when this fuckin team wins again. Sure he didnt need to take the pics down but the greatest way to bring pride to the vets is to win today=relive the glory days imo

  • Welder24

    Are we not allowed to criticize Mats Sardine on this forum?  Just curious why any criticism of Mats Sardine has to  be removed.  I thought only TSN did that.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Welder24 TSN is actually the place to do that. Go hang out on TSN Your Call.

      • mlclearwater

        Alec Brownscombe Welder24 Sundin is one of my all time favourite players and was a CLASS ACT

      • Welder24

        Alec Brownscombe Welder24 Really Alec?  Calling Mats a symbol of mediocrity  is an opinion I’m entitled to have.  If you disagree, fine, but to say “spare us all the garbage” sounds like you’re taking your moderator role a bit too seriously.  Are you suggesting your views are the exact same views as everyone in this forum?  Should we all just make sure our opinions and views align with yours?  
        As for the nickname Sardine, how is that more offensive than any of the vitriol and swearing that litters the vast majority of the posts here?  
        You need to look up the difference between dictator and moderator.  You’re ill suited for either.

  • Area49th

    Dustin Brown has agreed to an eight-year extension with the LA Kings with an AAV of a little over $5.75M.

    • wiski

      Area49th Hope our captain follows suit.

      • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

        5.75 per for Dion??  Sounds about right.  Hope he’s amenable to taking a slight haircut.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Bon Scott was a Leaf fan  He’ll actually make 5.5 mill next season. But he isn’t taking a paycut from the AAV of his last contract. Nor should he.

        • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

          I was thinking from his 6.5 cap hit.
          Just out of curiosity, Alec…..what do you think Dion’s next contract should come in at??   And what term??

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Bon Scott was a Leaf fan He signed the original deal when the cap was what? 50 mill?
          And he wasn’t the captain of his team or playing the extremely difficult minutes he is now.
          I’d be ecstatic if he came back with the same cap hit he has now. Fully expect and am fine with a million more if that’s what it takes.

        • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

          I’d be ok with 6.5 per on a 7 or 8 yr deal.  Not sure I’d be comfortable with anything much higher though.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Bon Scott was a Leaf fan I think if we give him that term there’s a decent change he’ll come back at 6.5 AAV.

        • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

          Just out of curiosity, Alec….do you put any merit in the trade rumors surrounding Dion??  Do you think Nonis floated anything to see if there would be any takers??  I may knock him from time to time….but I certainly don’t want him traded.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Bon Scott was a Leaf fan As you know Nonis does not have my confidence.
          I have no idea why he would ever say, “we haven’t had many calls on Dion.”
          That’s your fucking Captain and the player we leaned on so heavily this year. Say no one’s untouchable, sure, that’s fine.. makes sense. Everyone has their price. But to phrase it as if no other team is banging down his door for Dion? Why are you saying shit like that?

        • rustynail

          Alec BrownscombeAlec Brownscombe off subject but was your interview yesterday the most referenced MLHS article ever?

        • Greg Fenton

          Alec Brownscombe Bon Scott was a Leaf fan He probably phrased it that way because no other team was banging down the door for Dion. 
          As to way Nonis made that info public…… Who knows. Nonis doesn’t strike me as the kind to just say stuff publiclly for no reason and/or without knowning it won’t cause a problem.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          rustynail Alec Brownscombe It had to be. It got tweeted out by some big hockey media people. Got mentioned on fan590. Was first page on reddit hockey. Shitstorm on PPP and TLN.  Etc etc.

        • rustynail

          Alec Brownscombe rustynail congrats it was super well done. Made us all proud

        • NotInsane

          Alec Brownscombe
          Negotiations perhaps?  Letting Dion know he is expendable?  Nonis doesn’t need to explain his every action to MLHS or PPP.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          NotInsane Alec Brownscombe I don’t need him to.
          If he says something I think is crazy though I’m gonna question him on it.

        • NotInsane

          Alec Brownscombe
          Its just business IMO.  If Nonis said “we need to unload Phaneuf ASAP” — that’s crazy.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          NotInsane Alec Brownscombe I dunno, I think a GM should nickel and dime his lower roster fringe players and treat his most valued players with a high level of respect. You then hope your most valued players reciprocate that respect so that you foster a symbiotic relationship wherein they want to be here and settle at a price they feel works for them and the team.

        • NotInsane

          Alec Brownscombe
          For sure that’s legitimate.  He was our best defender and least replaceable player last season.  But I suspect in the view of management, Phaneuf isn’t written in stone as our #1 D after 2013-14.

        • Tommy Cat

          Alec Brownscombe NotInsane I think all the players should be afforted the same token of respect.  The 4th liner will miss the 2 % off his check more than the fat cats.

        • TMLfan_15

          NotInsane Alec Brownscombe I think you are bang on with your comment that management doesn’t see him as a #1 in the future.  Reilly? Gardiner? They need to be signed down the road.

        • Greg Fenton

          Alec Brownscombe NotInsane You’re right that a teams most valuable players should be treated with respect, but all players should be. You never know if todays 3rd line, fringe player will be tomorrows 40 goal scorer….
          The question is, are the most valued players really the players you want too lock into for 5-8 years. If they aren’t and/or don’t stack up against other teams most valued players, it isn’t disrespect to sign them to contracts that you feel are fair/slotted properly.

    • Jmessih

      At first glancce I was like wow that is a good cap hit but it is because it is for 8 years.

    • Bobsyouruncle

      Area49th Leiweke you big talking bum!!!!!  Couldn’t even get us Dustin Brown.   lol

  • Bobsyouruncle

    “No disrespect to Burke, but if he were still the Leafs’ GM, we wouldn’t be contemplating 7-year contracts for free agents.”   
    I imagine this has already been said but this is wrong. Burke made it clear that he would sign longer term for the right player.

    • Greg Fenton

      Bobsyouruncle The question is, is a player like Clarkson the “right player” Burke was talking about. We are ultimately talking about a guy who will be a 2nd line forward, maybe 3rd line.

      • dlb eh

        Greg Fenton Bobsyouruncle 
        yes

        • Greg Fenton

          dlb eh Greg Fenton Bobsyouruncle I wouldn’t be so sure. A #1 center coming off two over a PPG seasons wasn’t “the right player”, I doubt a 20-30 goal, 2nd or 3rd line winger would be . 

          I think by “right player” Burke meant someone the team be built around.

    • Alec Brownscombe

      Bobsyouruncle Find myself actually agreeing with Fenton here. Clarkson seems like a Burkie guy for sure but is he of the calibre Burke reserves a 7 year deal for. That’s pretty debatable.

    • DAOLGY

      Bridge jumping maniac What bothered Burke was the cap circumventing contracts not somuch the length of the contract

      • Xxxxxnew

        It was the back diving contracts that pissed him off.

  • T_Ry

    Apologies if this has already been addressed, but Lieweke is just taking down the pictures, right?  He’s not pulling a Ballard and having a bonfire in the backyard with them?
    I see this as a for-the-present move.  No need to completely forget the past, but the organization has tended to go on and on about it for quite some time.  It’s hard to focus on future success if every Saturday night you’re celebrating some anniversary of a goal scored by a player who needs a walker to make it to centre ice.
    For now, I say ditch the ceremonies and focus on the task at hand.  Once the team has seen some success again, go ahead and hang the pictures back up; hell, toss in a ceremony every once in a while.  But for the love of god, let’s not flog a dead mule with those things.

    • NotInsane

      T_Ry 
      Yes, focus on the task at hand.  If a few bleeding-hearts shed tears so be it.  And if the Leafs tank under Leiweke then everyone can blame his cruelty to pictures.

    • T_Ry

      LN-093 T_Ry I forget which of the Jays it was that complained last year (I think it was a few of them) that the team was doing these constant tributes and giveaways related to the championship teams from ’92 and ’93, but this reminds me of that.  We can say the players shouldn’t be put out by having to look at these old images, but doesn’t it also take away some of their zeal if they feel like they’re constantly being compared to these icons of 50 years ago?  Bernier and Reimer don’t want to be compared to Sawchuk and Bower; they just want to go out there and do their best for the team right now.

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Arrived early for a training seminar (2-6pm).  Waiting for everyone else to show up.  Figured I’d lurk here on MLHS for a few minutes.
    Btw….I absolutely hate laptops.

  • Tim Horton

    If I hear one more comment about some damned pictures, I am going to lose my mind.

    • colino17

      Tim Horton Two dollar pitchers at the pub tonite

      • Tim Horton

        colino17 Tim Horton …. touche.

    • Tommy Cat

      Tim Horton I remember when there used to be a photo of Tim Horton in every Tim Hortons.  They took them down.  Now kids think Tim Hortons is just coffee and fucking donuts.

      • Tommy Cat

        LN-093 Tommy Cat Tim Horton Should be a special brew for the hab fans.  1 part coffee, 2 parts piss.

    • rustynail

      Tim Horton no way they should touch the pictures  :)

  • NotInsane

    -Keon- 
    Its hard to argue luck when you have a 48 game sample size.

  • phaneufoundlander

    Dam right, take the old
    pics down, make a more present and fresh start….at least put up pics of
    Dougie, Wendel and Sundin, not archaic photos from decades ago…….honoring
    them old folks on game day as is embarrassing…buy them a fucking Mercedes if
    you want to honour them…Im fucking sick of the pregame crap. I don’t even
    watch it.

    • NotInsane

      phaneufoundlander 
      Its boring, agreed, and there are better ways to honour them.  And I’m sick to death of hearing how “Montreal does it right”.  They are just as boring combined with self-satisfied arrogance.  Old men passing torches to little children: no thanks.  Habs suck.

      • phaneufoundlander

        NotInsane phaneufoundlander don’t get me started on those puke schabs..it makes me violent

        • Komas Taberle

          phaneufoundlander NotInsane Pocket rocket almost fell down the Ball Centre stairs holding onto to that fucking lava lamp they use.

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    OK…training is about to start.  Smell yas later.

  • Tim Horton

    Dam had a whole thing written up that got erased when I clicked back by accident but in summation it was. Brown just signed for 500,000 more and an extra year than Clarkson so I was just checking to see how comparable they were.

    Brown 2012 – G-22 A-32 P-54
    2013 – G-18 A- 11 P-29
    Wendel Clarkson 2012 – G-30 A-16 P-46 
    2013 – G-15 A-9 P-24 
    Clearly Brown brings more elements and is a captain but Clarkson brings a bit more toughness.. Brown also has more of a pedigree but since given a top 6 role Clarckson has been pretty on par stat wise, with less hitting and more face punching.

    • mlclearwater

      Tim Horton Clarkson and Kadri on the same line is going to be fun to watch. A pair of mean assholes on skates

      • Tim Horton

        mlclearwater Tim Horton Kadri is going to have a great time playing with the skill of Lupul and toughness of Clarkson, its pretty much the perfect situation for him.

        • mlclearwater

          Tim Horton mlclearwater That line is going to be fun too watch. hopefully the jvr boz kess line can use their speed and skill and bozak can actually pass jvr the puck cause he is a beast rushing it up the ice. I would almost like to see JVR with kadri and clarkson at some point too

  • TMLfan_15

    Alex, I loved the interview you did with Cronin.  I’ll respectfully disagree with you again regarding a new contract for Phaneuf.  That would be a disaster.

    • Tim Horton

      TMLfan_15 Just to be straight, It would be a disaster to give your captain and best defender a $500,000 raise? Even with the cap going up much more than that?

      • Xxxxxnew

        Defence men making between $7-$6-million a season:
        Boyle, Garrison, Wisniewski, Meyers, Kronwall, Timonen, Green, Bouwmeester, Campbell …

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Xxxxxnew lol @ Meyers

        • TMLfan_15

          Alec Brownscombe Xxxxxnew 8 Years.  we have no idea what the cap will be in the future.  It’s pure speculation. Nobody on this board with any degree of confidence can predict what the cap will be 5 or 8 years from now.  i think Gardiner is a stud, and Riley has the potential to be a true # 1.  When its time to pay them down the road, we’ll only be 4 or 5 years into a 7 to 8 million a year deal for our number 3 or 4 Defenseman.  Thinking long term.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Yeah, they tossed all that cash at him pretty fast, didn’t they. I think that list just shows what the going rate is out there when fans consider Phaneuf’s next contract. The defencemen getting between $6-$5- million is an eye opens as well:
          Enstrom, Gonchar, Wideman, Martin, Bieksa, Carl, Mezaros, Coburn, Streit, …..

      • mlclearwater

        Tim Horton TMLfan_15 Phaneuf will get paid big bucks and it will be hard to argue against it. Hopefully he’ll take a home town discount and a long term but I could see him going for 7+ which puts us in a tough spot. Remeber when he got that contract with Calgary he was probably the best young dmen in the league, a recent norris nominee and a 19/20 goal scorer who laid out everything that moved.

        • Greg Fenton

          mlclearwater Tim Horton TMLfan_15 He’ll probably get something similar to what Letang got (maybe a little more if he signs next off-season). 7.25 million, give or take, for 7 or 8 years. 
          Is he worth it….depends on how you are going to look at it. Is Phaneuf one of the best D-men in the game, the kind of D-man you can build around etc…. No, he hasn’t really looked like one since 2008. He is the Leafs captain, and their best D-man and its unlikely they’ll be able easily find a D-man as good or better then Phaneuf. That probably increases his value to the Leafs. 
          So unless Nonis is sure he can get Weber in a deal, wants to blow up the roster, or Phaneuf demands something crazy (like 74 over 8 years), he’ll most likely be resigned for somewhere between 7-7.5 million.

    • Dink

      TMLfan_15 8 years would be a disaster, 5 years tops

  • Kouba

    I don’t get the Burke part. Essentialy his team and his coach made the playoffs and we can only speculate what would be his moves during the offseason.
    Leiweke is more of a business man but I don’t care if the Leafs are no. 1 in Forbes. Cup!