Carl Gunnarsson re-signs with Leafs, 6 Leafs invited to Olympic Camps + Links

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Carl Gunnarsson
Photo: CBC.ca

The Toronto Maple Leafs have avoided arbitration with defenseman Carl Gunnarsson, with the two sides agreeing to terms on a three-year contract. TSN’s Darren Dreger is reporting it’s worth $9.45 million.  Salary is listed at : $2.85m, $3.15m & $3.45m.

The 26-year-old Gunnarsson had one goal and 15 points in 37 regular-season games for the Maple Leafs in 2012-13 and added an assist in seven Stanley Cup Playoff games.

A seventh-round pick in the 2007 NHL Draft, Gunnarsson has 12 goals and 69 points in 224 games for the Maple Leafs.

Michael Stevens Stephens had a great year end write up on Gunnarsson. He has this to say about re-signing him.

But when looking at Carl Gunnarsson’s future with the Toronto Maple Leafs, it isn’t a question of ‘if?’ It’s a question of ‘how much?’ The soon-to-be 27 year old is a restricted free agent this summer (on account of a late birthday) and you’ve got think he’s the third highest priority to re-sign after fellow RFAs Nazem Kadri and Cody Franson.

On the most recent Leaf Report podcast, both James Mirtle and Jonas Siegel agreed that Gunnarsson’s cap hit would likely fall between $2.5 and 2.9 million.  Given the number of tough-as-nails minutes he plays, his chemistry with Phaneuf and burgeoning offensive game, I’d reckon his money will be closer to 3.5 million come July 5.

Whatever the cost, I wouldn’t miss the money, as 30-point defensemen and shutdown defensemen are not usually contained within the body of one man, and to have one so cheaply is doubly rare.  The Leafs may need to improve their D corps, but Dave Nonis has real keeper in Carl Gunnarsson.

Scoring StatsGoalsAssistsIce Time
SeasonAgeTmLgGPGAPTSGC+/-PIMEVPPSHGWEVSHPPSS%TOIATOI
2009-1023TORNHL433121558103000912456.792221:26
2010-1124TORNHL68416207-21431011303695.8124018:15
2011-1225TORNHL76415196-9204000906894.5164921:42
2012-1326TORNHL3711415451410001400283.678721:17
CareerNHL2241257692225811101451112315.2459920:32
Provided by Hockey-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 7/22/2013.

Here is a list of comparable cap hits among defencemen.

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6 Leafs invited to Olympic Camps

Per TSN:

Sidney Crosby and Jonathan Toews lead a list of 47 players invited to a summer orientation camp for the Canadian men’s Olympic hockey team.

The newcomers on the list include young guns like defencemen Alex Pietrangelo and P.K. Subban and forwards Steven Stamkos, John Tavares, Claude Giroux and Brad Marchand.

The others are goalie Roberto Luongo, defencemen Dan Boyle, Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook and Shea Weber, and forwards Patrice Bergeron, Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf, Rick Nash, Mike Richards, Eric Staal and Joe Thornton.

The goalies are Luongo, who was the starter in the 2010 gold-medal game, as well as Carey Price, Mike Smith, Corey Crawford and Braden Holtby.

The other defencemen are Karl Alzner, Jay Bouwmeester, Mike Green, Dan Hamhuis, Travis Hamonic, Kristopher Letang, Marc Methot, Dion Phaneuf, Marc Staal and Marc-Edouard Vlasic.

The other forwards are Jeff Carter, Logan Couture, Matt Duchene, Chris Kunitz, Andrew Ladd, Milan Lucic, James Neal, Patrick Sharp, Jordan Staal and Martin St.Louis.

Wingers Nikolai Kulemin and Leo Komarov were invited to orientation camps for the Russian and Finnish Olympic squads.

USA Hockey had their roster announced Monday afternoon and Leafs defenseman Jake Gardiner, wingers Phil Kessel and James van Riemsdyk were invited.

Leafs Links

 

 

  • Mind Bomb

    Evening Folks, Who is Gunnarsson ?

    lol 2 more to go, I hope they are at the same reasonable rate :)

  • Mind Bomb

    And serious Brayden Fucking Holtby invited but Reimer shunned. And Mike I had one good year Smith ?

    Bah a Fucking Joke !!!!

    • Zep2

      Mind Bomb The players at top of their game in January will be in Sochi.  This a pure PR exercise.

      • Mattmark

        Zep2 Mind Bomb Well, it’s also an orientation for the nucleus that is bound to be there.

        • Zep2

          Mattmark Zep2 Mind Bomb Nucleus yes. Crosby, Stamkos , Weber, Keith. But if guys like Loungo ©o in the shitter,  someone else will take their place.
          If Lupul , kadri , are lighting it up Yzerman will consider them
          Greztzky lost the 2006 Olympics by taking guys based on what they had done, not what they were doing

      • Mind Bomb

        Zep2 Mind Bomb  Ya and We got PR’D :) 

        lol

  • Mind Bomb

    And double serious you guys can join me any time now

  • Dan39

    On Capgeek, if I regular buyout Liles, it only counts as $0.8mm of cap instead of $3.8mm. That right? Seems that’s where this is headed.

    • Komas Taberle

      Dan39 For the 1st couple of years then it counts as 2.87M and 1.25M for the rest of the buyout period.

      • Burtonboy

        Komas Taberle If they get Fraser signed before arb. which Loiselle says they expect too there will be no buyout

        • rustynail

          Burtonboy Komas Taberle how can there be?

      • .JVR.

        Komas Taberle
        How does the cap hit change?  
        I thought it was 2/3rds of his remaining salary, spread out over twice the remaining term or is that just what they have to pay him?

  • Mattmark

    Fabulous experience for Gardiner with Team USA, if he makes the cut.

    • .JVR.

      Mattmark 
      As of right now, I don’t see Gardiner making Team USA, but that could change if he gets off to a good start.

      Here is my projected Team USA defence (assuming they take 8)
      Yandle   –   Suter
      J. Johnson   –   Shattenkirk
      Martin   –   Bogosian
      (E. Johnson   –   McDonagh)

      If they decide to take just 13 forwards and go with 9 defenceman, I think Gardiner would be in a battle with Faulk and Carlson for the final spot.

      • Cameron19

        .JVR. Mattmark Ugh, the Johnson’s are both pretty bad for an Olympic roster.  I wouldn’t trade Gardiner straight up for either of them.  But yea, it is unlikely he makes it, but a strong season could really catapult him into the race. 

        And Bogosian will almost surely be injured.

        • .JVR.

          Cameron19
          That’s true, I believe both Johnsons are overrated and I also wouldn’t trade Gardiner for either of them.  Hell, I don’t think I would trade Gardiner for both of them as the return, haha.

          With that being said, that has alot to do with the potential Jake has and not because of what he is right now.

        • Mattmark

          .JVR. Cameron19 I hope they see their way clear to developing his potential for us.  For purely selfish reasons, of course…

  • MikeGartner11

    What is the cap hit for gunner? Am I missing a leaf or is Komorov counted as one of the six?

    • Mattmark

      @MikeGartner11 Komorov is history.

      • MikeGartner11

        Mattmark I’m aware I’m just wondering if I am missing a leaf or if he is one of the six in the article. I count five and komorov.

      • Cameron19

        Mattmark He’s still Leaf property though…

        • Mattmark

          Cameron19 Mattmark In NHL business terms, technically yes… but that’s hardly justifies a claim that he’s a ‘Leaf’ playing in the Olympics.

    • Mattmark

      @MikeGartner11 K. is on the ‘projected’ Finnish roster but, either way, no longer counts as a Leaf…

  • .JVR.

    Well, I called that one this morning.
    Said this place wouldn’t blow up on Friday, when Gunnarsson’s contract was signed after his arbitration hearing.
    It’s gonna come 4 days earlier.

    • Mind Bomb

      .JVR.  Gunnar Sign a Reasonable Contract ? why would it blow up bro ?

      • .JVR.

        Mind Bomb
        Somebody had mentioned in the previous thread that this place would blow up on Friday, after Gunnarsson’s arbitration award.
        I stated that, “no it wouldn’t” because he would be signing a deal before his scheduled arbitration hearing.

        • Mind Bomb

          .JVR. Mind Bomb  Ahh cool :)

  • Bernier_The_Boats

    So that leaves 6.57 mil for 3 signings…
    1)  Kadri – 2 years at 3.4 per
    2)  Franson  – 2 years at 3.157833 per (If he’s in a good mood)
    3) Fraser – ???
    She looks T-I-T tight!!!  (So tight you have to lose the GH).  What can Nonis do to pull this one off??

    • .JVR.

      Bernier_The_Boats 
      Take away the cap hits of Smith and Brennan, as I don’t think either of them will be on the Leafs’ final roster.  
      That adds $1.15 million of Cap Space, so we actually have $7.72 million left to sign Kadri, Franson and Fraser.

      • Bernier_The_Boats

        .JVR. Bernier_The_Boats Cool!!!!!  :)

        • .JVR.

          Bernier_The_Boats
          $3 million each to Kadri and Franson and $1 million to Fraser and we still have $700K of cap space

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          .JVR. Bernier_The_Boats I believe Franson is deserving of at least 3.5/  That half clapper is the shit!

        • .JVR.

          Bernier_The_Boats
          How can he justify asking for more than Gunnarsson?
          Like I said before, Gunnarsson was a 1st pairing defenceman, while Fraser was a 3rd pairing defenceman.

  • ErikGruber

    It’s pretty lame that they calculate cap hit by average salary.

    • .JVR.

      ErikGruber 
      What would you suggest?

      • ErikGruber

        .JVR. ErikGruber It should go year by year. 2.85 cap hit year 1, 3.15 year 2 and so on.

        • .JVR.

          ErikGruber
          That would really benefit us right now, but I believe it has something to do with teams being able to circumvent the cap if cap hit was calculated that way.

          Think about all the deals that would have been signed this summer, where a player makes say $1 million for the 2013/14 season and then gets $5 million for the rest of the contract.

        • The_Polish_Cannon

          ErikGruber .JVR. then all the teams would have no issue with getting under this lowered cap. It is a mirrored version of the past cap circumvention problem. Teams would back load the contract paying out more in the later years because of the cap going up

  • Bernier_The_Boats

    Are my numbers off?  Where is a cap expert to verify??  Anyone?

    • Cameron19

      Bernier_The_Boats It’s more complicated than that because so much will depend on the term of the deals we sign, and the roster size we’re willing to go into the season with. It’s pretty hard for us to say what has to happen before we see the numbers for Kadri, Franson and Fraser…

      • rustynail

        Cameron19 Bernier_The_Boats Kadri and Franson more so

      • Bernier_The_Boats

        Cameron19 Bernier_The_Boats So in your opinion do we have a chance at retaining Fraser’s services?  *fingers crossed*

        • .JVR.

          Bernier_The_Boats
          I believe we do

        • Cameron19

          Bernier_The_Boats Cameron19 We can retain them all as along as we run with a 20 or 21 man roster.

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          .JVR. Bernier_The_Boats That would be cool if he could find lightning in a jar…hat to see the team chemistry altered any more than it already has been…

        • JMAC17

          Cameron19 Bernier_The_Boats Still think we will see Liles moved and we will sign a vet late in the offseason.

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          JMAC17 Cameron19 Bernier_The_Boats Who in their right mind would take Liles without NONO retaining some salary…that is a lateral move IMO

        • JMAC17

          Bernier_The_Boats JMAC17 Cameron19 might not cost us salary, but a prospect or a pick.  
          Dont count him out as a player, he’s got skills

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          JMAC17 Bernier_The_Boats Cameron19 He plays like he is scared to get rocked again…lol

        • Cameron19

          Bernier_The_Boats JMAC17 Cameron19 I think that’s a bit of an exaggeration.  Some of us have watched Goon a few too many times.

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          Cameron19 Bernier_The_Boats JMAC17 I honestly have never seen Goon…(point taken though)

  • Area49th

    Liles is still on the books, someone must want him

    • MikeGartner11

      Area49th I think more than one team would want Liles, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him start the season as a leaf. I don’t think cap panic is required right now. I imagine somebody on the leafs thinks about this 5 days a week as a job.

    • MikeGartner11

      -Keon- Zing!

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Hey Cam, what is your new avatar??  Looks like the guy from House with a Star Wars light saber.

    • Cameron19

      Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 

      Obi Wan Kenobi.  Rusty had had enough of the Dark Side.

      • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

        Cameron19 Bon Scott was a Leaf fan 
        That’s Obi Wan Kenobi??  Looks kinda young (then again, I never watched the 3 prequils so what do I know).
        Nice to see you changing it up.

  • Cameron19

    If the rest of the resigns look something like this:

    Kadri, 3 years at 3.25 million
    Franson, 3 years at 3.50 million
    Fraser, 2 years at 1.0 million

    Our 21 man roster would be:

    j.v.r. (4.25) – bozak (4.20) – kessel (5.40)
    lupul (5.25) – kadri (3.25) – clarkson (5.25)
    colborne (0.60) – bolland (3.375) – kulemin (2.80)
    mclaren (0.70) 0- mcclement (1.50) – orr (0.925)

    gunnar (3.15) – phaneuf (6.50)
    gardiner (0.875) – franson (3.50)
    fraser (1.00) – j.m.liles (3.875)
    brennan (0.60)

    reimer (1.80)
    bernier (2.90)

    CAP HIT: 64.2 million
    CAP SPACE: 0.1 milllion -In this scenario, we would be unable to replace injured players with call-ups unless the player is injured significantly enough for LTIR.

    • Bernier_The_Boats

      Cameron19 thanks,

    • .JVR.

      Cameron19 
      Sorry, but I don’t see how Franson could possibly ask for more than Gunnarsson!
      Gunnar was playing on the top pairing with Phaneuf, against the other team’s most dangerous players, while Franson was playing on the bottom pairing with Fraser, in a sheltered role, against the other team’s weakest players.

      • Cameron19

        .JVR. Cameron19 Offensive players always get more than defensive players. It’s as simple as that.

    • Mattmark

      Cameron19 Most underpaid guy there in terms of value to the team has to be McClement.  If he gets hurt, what are the chances of replacing his contribution for the same price?

      • Cameron19

        Mattmark Cameron19 Slim.

        • Mattmark

          Cameron19 Mattmark Not many bona fide Selke candidates at 1.5 mil., you’d have to think.

    • Bernier_The_Boats

      Cameron19 would it be possible to “end Load” Kadri with a 3  year deal at 2m, 4m. 4.5m?  Does that help at al in year one, or is the cap avg. over the entire contact term?

      • Cameron19

        Bernier_The_Boats Cameron19 Sure, but Kadri’s hard to predict.  Most people seem to want to treat him as if he’d been lights out for 3 years.  It’s been 48 games.

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          Cameron19 Bernier_The_Boats I totally agree Cam…hard to measure consistency to date with a short frame of reference.  That is why it makes sense to me to award him a graduating contract..

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          Cameron19 Bernier_The_Boats If you try to award a contract value based on a “snapshot in time” I bet you could get burned pretty easily.

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          Cameron19 Bernier_The_Boats His pedigree gives me a little bit more of an easy feeling when trying to predict his future output.

        • Mattmark

          Bernier_The_Boats Cameron19 His consistency remains to be demonstrated… but you can say that about anybody no matter how much ability he has.
          What K. showed this past season was the real thing–it wasn’t done with mirrors.  He can’t be blamed for failing to demonstrate it in games he hasn’t  yet had a chance to play.

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          Mattmark Bernier_The_Boats Cameron19 He did tail off at the end of the season a bit…but I agree that he had a great campaign.

        • Mattmark

          Bernier_The_Boats Mattmark Cameron19 I think the playoff experience will prove invaluable.  That was hockey at a pretty high level.

        • Bernier_The_Boats

          Mattmark Bernier_The_Boats Cameron19 Word..

    • Burtonboy

      Cameron19 You have to think they must be fairly confident they can get a trade done to clear space .

    • Dudgee

      Cameron19 my guesses: 

      Kadri 2 years $3.75, 
      Franson 1 year $2.75, 
      Fraser 3 years $1.2 mil.

      • Cameron19

        Dudgee Cameron19 Way too much for an unproven Kadri, and way too little for Franson who was what, 7th in scoring by defenders last year?  Why does Kadri get more than Duchene did after 3 seasons?

        • Dudgee

          Cameron19 Dudgee Kadri gets more than Duch because of a) avg. salary has gone up, b) end of 1st contract is what it is and c) he finished top 25 in scoring.   Yes Franson put up the points but it was 1 year after several of being very shaky. I think he goes short term to prove he can do it, a la Subban.

        • Cameron19

          Dudgee Cameron19 No it hasn’t.  It has actually gone down since Duchene signed his deal, lol. Duchene had finished top 25 in scoring twice when he signed his 3.5 million extension, and the cap was higher.

  • Mattmark

    Can’t believe it’s only July.  This is awful.

    • .JVR.

      Mattmark 
      That’s enough out of you!
      As much as I like hockey, I like the hot summer weather even more :)

      • Mattmark

        .JVR. Mattmark You can head off to Australia when the season starts.  😉

        • .JVR.

          Mattmark
          Like fuck!!
          What’s the time difference there?  I’m not watching hockey games first thing in the morning, although that would be a good start to the day :)

        • Mattmark

          .JVR. Mattmark Just trying to cater to your expressed preference.  High maintenance, are you?

        • T_Ry

          .JVR. Mattmark You’re looking at 12 hours give-or-take, depending on the region and the time of year.  Don’t forget that Hockey Night in Canada is on Sunday mornings.  I was there for that final-game win against the Habs in 2007…had to get up at 6:30am on Easter morning.  But it was worth it!

  • Dudgee

    I hope this helps some Leafs fans who have been having the meat sweats and diarrhea because it’s JULY and we haven’t signed all our RFA’s. 

    DAVE NONIS IS NOT SLEEPING.

    • Tim Horton

      Dudgee No one is worried about the timing it happens ever year that someone holds out right until the start of the season… I am more worried about how they can fit everyone under the cap.

      • .JVR.

        Tim Horton Dudgee 
        $7.7 million for Kadri, Franson and Fraser should be more than enough.
        If Franson and Kadri get greedy, I guess we’ll have to let Fraser walk.

        • NotInsane

          .JVR. Tim Horton Dudgee 
          Yeppers.  the hockey world does not revolve around Fraser.  That said, I would like him to stay.  He maintains a certain order and dignity in front of Reimer (Bernier)

        • Burtonboy

          .JVR. Tim Horton Dudgee How do we let Fraser walk ?

        • .JVR.

          Burtonboy
          Alright then, trade his rights

        • Burtonboy

          Good luck with that

        • NotInsane

          Burtonboy 
          That’s a good point, Burtonboy.  If he receives an outrageous amount of money in arbitration that does seem bad.  However I like to think Nonis has thought of this since he didn’t trade his rights earlier.

  • mlclearwater

    Fair deal for both sides. Happy to have gunner signed. Nonis set a decent precedent for not overpaying for gunner while getting him for 3yrs. Kadri shouldn’t get anything over 3m and Franson will come in around 3-3.5. Need to get fraser too for around 1m.

  • Dangle_My_Berries

    Gunner is done!

    • MikeGartner11

      Dangle_My_Berries It’s a good day for sure. I can’t wait to see him and Phaneuf put up career years

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        @MikeGartner11 Dangle_My_Berries hope his hips are ready to go for camp

        • MikeGartner11

          Dangle_My_Berries I think he will be good to go. He played through a lot of pain this year. I’m sure they wouldn’t have risked it if they didn’t think the off-season was enough.

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          @MikeGartner11 Dangle_My_Berries gotta be at the top of his game for camp, the anointed one Granberg should be challenging lol

        • NotInsane

          Dangle_My_Berries 
          All hail our new lord of defense, Granberg.

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          NotInsane Dangle_My_Berries we are not worthy!!!

  • B_Leaf

    I have to admit I am surprised and disappointed at Lupul and Kadri being left off the camp. They are better than some of the guys there…oh well!
    Good deal getting Gunnar for 3 years instead of 2…reasonable cap hit for a top four guy.
    Franson deal might end up being very similar.

    • NotInsane

      B_Leaf 
      No respect for the Leafs, no respect at all

    • MikeGartner11

      B_Leaf It’s team Canada. Lupul isn’t on the list because he isn’t a Hockey Canada love child. This year’s world jrs were a solid reminder of the stupid politics. Oh well at least they didn’t invite Rob Zamuner lol….Bitterness against Hockey Canada politics aside I can’t wait for the first back to back gold for Canada in the modern era

      • NotInsane

        @MikeGartner11 B_Leaf 
        Its a chummy sort of selection process.  If they didn’t invite old warriors like Thornton you can beat Yzerman isn’t getting the annual Canada Day party invite.  Heavens!

      • .JVR.

        @MikeGartner11
        I think him being injured for half the season has something to do with him being left off the list.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Just like Spezza.

    • Dan39

      B_Leaf  
      Lupul is going to be injured by the time the Olympics start – if he isn’t, they can still bring him. 
      Kadri – zero chance. You don’t get invited after only like 30 games (?) of quality play in the NHL.

  • leafmealone

    Good deal, I’m happy they avoided the fairly acrimonious nature of an arbitration hearing, and even happier at the cap hit for a player that is vital to the team’s defence over the last few years. Gunner’s been a steadying presence to every pairing he’s ever been on, and I expect that not to change next year. And after upping his ppg average despite playing all season with a hip injury, I look to him to have a bit of a break out year in 2012-2014.

    • NotInsane

      leafmealone 
      I hope his hip heals and/or the surgery is successful.  Some media people were concerned about his health but he definitely improved his play as the season wore on.

  • leafsinsix

    Gunnarsson’s contract in my opinion is far too much for an average to below average player considering the cap adjustment for next season. Subban signed for less with a higher cap at the time, and went on to a Norris. Gunnarsson is not a comparable in any way to the talent of Subban and is more easily replaced than any other defenceman on the Leafs. Franson and Kadri should have been re-signed first and what was left over would go to Fraser and Gunnar, and if they don’t like it …see you later. This is the reality of a cap world. We have plenty of eager younger players in the system to replace them with. ie  Rielly’s cap hit would be 1.7 and if he is too good for the CHL  next year and can’t go to the Marlies, then let him play on the big team, and save Gunnar’s cap space.

    • Cameron19

      leafsinsix Wow. So much is wrong with this post.  Suffice to say, we disagree about pretty much everything.

    • Komas Taberle

      leafsinsix Leafs bought 2 years of UFA, you can’t compare Soupcan with Gunn, next year Habs will be paying 8M for Soupcan and we will still have Gunn under contract for 3.1.

    • B_Leaf

      leafsinsix 
      You cant compare Gunnar and Subban because of the UFA years being eaten in Gunnars.

      • leafsinsix

        B_Leaf leafsinsix Gunnar is one of those guys that doesn’t excel at anything, doesn’t put up points, doesn’t hit, doesn’t fight, and because he plays with Phaneuf, which i think everyone here agrees he shouldn’t be playing on the first pair, he is worth the money. If Gunnar sits out with an injury does any one ever notice his impact? I don’t.

        • mcloki

          leafsinsix B_Leaf we did notice when he was gone.

        • B_Leaf

          leafsinsix B_Leaf 
          I noticed him gone. He also played a little hurt all year. But also not noticing a dman is sometimes good. 
          The thing is Gunnar wins puck battles and makes inteligent plays with the puck most of the time. He is out there against the other teams best

        • NotInsane

          leafsinsix B_Leaf 
          Gunnar plays defense soundly and although he doesn’t hit he is tough.  I’m fine with him on the first line with Phaneuf.  
          We will need Gunnar when we have Gardiner and Rielly and Phaneuf pinching here, there and everywhere.

        • dlb eh

          NotInsane leafsinsix B_Leaf 
          free Phaneuf.
          find Gunnarsson a new partner.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Lidstrom never hit anybody.

    • NotInsane

      leafsinsix 
      We need Gunnar.  He and Dion are the only two d-men that consistently play the tough minutes.  I’d take two Gunnarssons if I could.

    • MikeGartner11

      leafsinsix Not the same thing. Apples to Apples the leafs got a good deal on Gunner

    • B_Leaf

      leafsinsix 
      You could compare Subban to Kadri, because they are in similar circumstances with regards years played and first round drafts etc.

      • .JVR.

        B_Leaf
        Alright then, $2.75 million for Kadri and he wins the Hart next season :)

        • B_Leaf

          .JVR. B_Leaf 
          Sounds good!

      • leafsinsix

        B_Leaf leafsinsix i realize the comparison is in the length of service and contract status, and i agree with you, and do hope we get Kadri at that number. If he went on to win the Hart like Subban the Norris, i think management would be happy to pay him what his value is at that time. I just don’t see the value in Gunnarsson even if we are buying UFA years. I wouldn’t pay a mediocre player more just because it takes him into UFA. If he had a lot of talent like Kadri, then i would consider overpaying into buying up UFA time. Gunnarsson is a dime a dozen defenceman in my opinion, and i am betting most posters won’t remember him after he is replaced in a year or two. Just my thoughts.

        • Xxxxxnew

          Kadri’s only played 99 NHL games and mosst of the first 45 were unremarkable.

        • Knights2Leafs

          Xxxxxnew 
          When Wilson had him playing wing?

        • Xxxxxnew

          He played both in London before he got here. Besides the point anyway, people are talking about paying him over $3 million after the equivalent of just over as season of nhl games.

      • Xxxxxnew

        Subban’s played over twice as much games than Kadri.

  • mcloki

    Just saw it on Twitter. Good Deal for the Leafs. But I still think it’s going to be a squeeze for Nonis to get the last three signed under the cap.
    I like Gunner and hope he has a good season. And I really can’t see a scenario where Liles doesn’t get moved or waived or bought out. there’s just no cash.

    • .JVR.

      mcloki 
      We still have $7.7 million in Cap Space left.
      I could see Fraser re-uping for $700K, which would like $7 million for Kadri and Franson, which should be more than enough.

      • NotInsane

        .JVR. mcloki 
        Yes, I don’t see Fraser making more than 700k.  If the Leafs offered him a two-year deal I imagine he’d be all over that.

        • .JVR.

          NotInsane
          Yup, much like Colborne, I think he’d be happy to just get a One-Way Deal.

        • Cameron19

          .JVR. NotInsane He’s had a 1-way deal forever though.  Not really a big deal to him. And pretty much every team would sign him if he was UFA, so I doubt he would be so generous as to just feel grateful to get a deal.

        • rustynail

          Cameron19 .JVR. NotInsane Fraser was on a 2 way deal last season

        • .JVR.

          rustynail
          Yup, which is why I think he’d be happy just to get a 1-way deal

        • Cameron19

          rustynail Cameron19 .JVR. NotInsane His last two deals before that were 1-way though.

      • mcloki

        .JVR. mcloki I think he walked away from more in the arbitration? Could be mixing him up though.

  • rustynail

    Shift_Disturber1 did Gunnar get a NTC or NMC?

    • Burtonboy

      rustynail Shift_Disturber1 Nothing on Cap Geek but he’s only quoting media sources at the moment

  • .JVR.

    Hahaha, MacTavish just said he was surprised Justin Schultz wasn’t invited to the Orientation Camp for Team Canada!

    • Uncle Otis

      .JVR. 
      Before or after expressing surprise that he wasn’t chosen to run it?
      MacT is a guy we need to target for trades…the new Feaster.

      • .JVR.

        Uncle Otis
        The rights to Mark Fraser for Nugent-Hopkins 😉

        • Xxxxxnew

          OIlers have to throw in a spare shoulder in that deal.

    • dlb eh

      .JVR. 
      i am too.  have you seen him play?  he’s closer to Doughty than Gardiner is to Karlsson.

      • Cameron19

        dlb eh .JVR. Didn’t look that way in the NHL, in my opinion.

        • Dan39

          Cameron19 dlb eh .JVR.  
          I thought Schultz was way over-rated in the limited amount I saw him.

  • rustynail

    No NTC or NMC for Gunnar and we can get under the cap by trading him:)

    • NotInsane

      rustynail 
      haha,, good thinking

    • .JVR.

      rustynail 
      We are under the cap, so why would we have to trade him?

    • B_Leaf

      rustynail 
      Rielly is still a jr and AHL year away IMO. So with a  year left on his deal Gunnar might be moved if Rielly is ready by then. Or we can drop him in the line-up. In three years 3.15M could be very managable for a cup winner…lol

      • Cameron19

        B_Leaf rustynail Keeping him is not going to be an issue.  Rielly is going to give our back-end a great deal of flexibility.

      • .JVR.

        B_Leaf
        I’d like to keep Gunnarsson around for the third pairing when Rielly is ready.
        Something like this works for me 3 years from now:

        Rielly   –   Phaneuf
        Gardiner   –   Franson
        Gunnarsson   –   Granberg/Blacker/Holzer
        (Fraser)

        • leafsinsix

          .JVR. B_Leaf So, good cap management is having a third pairing defenceman at 3.15 million??

        • Cameron19

          leafsinsix .JVR. B_Leaf Works out okay for Chicago.  Cap will be 80 million by then.

        • mcloki

          leafsinsix .JVR. B_Leaf in 2 years with the cap going up. I think it may be a reality on many teams.

        • Komas Taberle

          leafsinsix .JVR. B_Leaf What is the matter with you man, Gunner is a bonafide 4th Dman on a Stanley Cup team, the fact that he can fill in as our #2 playing with Phaneuf is a bionus, now go away and stop trolling.

        • .JVR.

          leafsinsix
          3 years from now that will be a bargain

        • NotInsane

          leafsinsix .JVR. B_Leaf 
          if he was 3rd pairing then you’d be correct in your outrage.  See the PPP post (although I hate those guys’ attitude) and observe the pretty graph they have.

        • B_Leaf

          leafsinsix .JVR. B_Leaf 
          Having good depth at D is very important…we carried Komi there at 4.5…lol…OK that isnt the model we want. But Gunnarson can play up or down the order at that dollar amount…either way he will get meaningful minutes.

        • .JVR.

          B_Leaf
          Would you rather have Rielly or Gardiner playing on the third pairing 3 years from now?

        • B_Leaf

          .JVR. B_Leaf 
          Hopefully Rielly is playing up in the lineup because of merit…But Gunnarson should also be in his prime as a defenceman so who knows.

        • leafsinsix

          Komas Taberle leafsinsix .JVR. B_Leaf sorry, next time i have an opinion, i will ask your permission to see if it is okay. as far as trolling goes, i have been on this site from the beginning, and just because i don’t go to a barbecue with George Cope, doesn’t mean i can’t express my thoughts on the leafs. so kiss my ass

        • .JVR.

          B_Leaf
          Perhaps in a few years, one of Gunnarsson, Franson, Gardiner or Rielly is traded along with one of Bernier or Reimer of the Top Line Centre we need so badly.

        • 4evrblue

          .JVR. B_Leaf Im confused, I thought we had our top line centre locked up for the next 5 years already?

        • Knights2Leafs

          4evrblue
          lol – did I miss the Kadri signing?

        • .JVR.

          4evrblue
          Meh, he (Bozak) can be included in the deal.

        • Savo43

          leafsinsix .JVR. B_Leaf Better than having Komisarek for 4.5 on your 3rd pairing/pressbox or even Liles. Scuderi made 3 with LA and he was 3rd pairing, not to mention, in JVR’s comment, whats Rielly going to be making at that point in time (not alot) so i’m not sure i get the point, Gunner will be recycled by the time his cap hit will be of any detriment.

        • .JVR.

          Savo43
          Exactly, $3 million for a third pairing defenceman isn’t really all that bad.
          Sure, it’s not ideal right now, when the Cap is going down to $64.3 million, but when it’s up around $80 million in a few years, everything will be fine.

        • Dan39

          .JVR.B_Leaf 
           This was your lineup:
          Rielly   –   Phaneuf
          Gardiner   –   Franson
          Gunnarsson   –   Granberg/Blacker/Holzer
          (Fraser)
          Your top four is all offense. Rielly is especially bad defensively, right now. Although presumably he develops that part of his game in the three year time period you allowed, but he’s still going to be a smarter version of Gardiner.
          That’s the way I see it.

        • .JVR.

          Dan39
          This was my lineup for 3 years from now, when Rielly won’t be nearly as bad defensively has he is now.

          Could play Rielly on the third pairing, but I think Gunnarsson would be a better pairing for a young guy like Granberg, Blacker, Holzer, Percy or Finn than Rielly would be.

    • Uncle Otis

      rustynail 
      Excellent deal for Gunnar all around..very pleased
      Now lets hope that hip is all healed up

  • B_Leaf

    So Fraser is up next. I see him getting a two year deal. Then they will wait on Kadri until Franson is done. Depending what happens with Franson the Leafs will see what they can do for Kadri.

    • NotInsane

      B_Leaf 
      He’d love a two year deal.

  • mcloki

    With this signing our lineup looks pretty set up. I think it will be really hard for any Marlie to break into the lineup baring injury. And Our Defensive Depth looks good.

    • NotInsane

      mcloki 
      Outside of Colborne, I don’t see many Marlies knocking on the door.  Most of them seem to need a full year playing in the AHL with lots of minutes. 
       Except Granberg, I hear he’s the new Adam Foote… and don’t I wish it were so.

      • 4evrblue

        NotInsane mcloki D’Amigo, Ashton, Blacker?

        • .JVR.

          4evrblue
          Possibly Holzer

        • NotInsane

          .JVR. 4evrblue 
          Maybe Blacker and Holzer but not Ashton or D’Amigo (or any forward).  They’ll get shots to fill in for injury but I don’t see them worthy of a spot out of camp (ie clearing up a spot so one of them can make).  But that’s just my opinion.

        • 4evrblue

          .JVR. 4evrblue I didn’t add him as he is more of a tweener now than just a marlie. He only needs to get a little better to lock down a spot in the NHL though.

        • 4evrblue

          NotInsane .JVR. 4evrblue They’re bottom 6 guys that have a shot IMO. I also think they’re at the age now where we need to start giving them a shot to see what they’re made of

        • NotInsane

          4evrblue NotInsane .JVR. 
          Yes, we need to see what they’ve got.  With injuries and an 82-game schedule, they will.  Would be great if one of them stepped it up out of camp

    • The_Polish_Cannon

      mcloki we still need a right handed defenseman to play with Liles. TJ Brennan is a lefty. They could bring up Blacker seeing as he’s a righty

      • The_Polish_Cannon

        mcloki and it’s not looking like there will be cap space for Fraser

        • NotInsane

          The_Polish_Cannon mcloki 
          I think Fraser will be cheap.  The Leafs offered him a two-way contract… not sure if that was just a formality of the process but I don’t see him making serious coin unless the arbitrator looks at his +/- and goes wild

        • The_Polish_Cannon

          NotInsane The_Polish_Cannon mcloki it worries me that Nonis is chipping away at the cap space and leaving Kadri for last. Idealy you sign your highest priority players and than evaluate with your cap space from then on. Hopefully he doesn’t dig himself into too deep of a whole with these signings before getting to kadri

        • Xxxxxnew

          Kadri said last week he wasn’t worried about it.

        • NotInsane

          The_Polish_Cannon NotInsane mcloki 
          Kadri and Franson are the toughest to negotiate with.  Franson declined arbitration because he knows he’ll eventually get a good offer.  Kadri is the same.  It’ll be like Schenn two years ago.  No party needs to move fast and so none will

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Xxxxxnew hes not worried cause hes already told Nonis he wants to be a leaf for life….my speculation

        • .JVR.

          The_Polish_Cannon
          Regardless, Fraser isn’t the right handed shot “we still need”

        • The_Polish_Cannon

          .JVR. The_Polish_Cannon No, I agree, I wasn’t implying that

        • Xxxxxnew

          Sometimes they get most of the paperwork out of the way far earlier than fans realize.

        • The_Polish_Cannon

          Dangle_My_Berries Xxxxxnew Not a good negotiation tactic lol. I think I’m actually more worried about them being able to sign Franson. Something tells me he might have a sour taste left in his mouth from the way he was handled here.  No one likes being scratched as much as he was since coming here

      • MaxwellHowe

        The_Polish_Cannon mcloki I think Liles is trade bait

        • The_Polish_Cannon

          MaxwellHowe The_Polish_Cannon mcloki with so many teams trying to fit their roster beneath the cap, it’s hard to see someone taking a chance on Liles contract without having Nonis retain salary. And i dont think he can even afford to retain salary

        • Xxxxxnew

          It’ll actually cost a team $4.2 million the next two seasons and $2.8 in the third in salary. Cap is averaged of course. But who do we see taking on $4.2 mil in real,money?

        • theacs1966

          Xxxxxnew 29 other GM’s know this and are playing hardball or just waiting till the day before the season starts to claim him off waivers.

      • .JVR.

        The_Polish_Cannon
        Blacker, Granberg and Holzer are all right-handed shots.

        • The_Polish_Cannon

          .JVR. The_Polish_Cannon yes I mentioned Blacker. I did not realize Granberg is that good to hear. I get a chill down my spine when I read Holzer’s name lol

        • .JVR.

          The_Polish_Cannon
          What causes the chill to go down your spine when you hear Holzer’s name?

        • The_Polish_Cannon

          .JVR. The_Polish_Cannon Memories of his 22 game stint with the Leafs this year

        • theacs1966

          .JVR. The_Polish_Cannon More like a cold sweat!

        • .JVR.

          The_Polish_Cannon
          Get him away from the oppositions top players and he’ll be fine.

  • 4evrblue

    awesome news. write one up for NoNo signing a major piece WITHOUT overpaying!! Good job Davie 😀

  • Burtonboy

    https://twitter.com/felixpotvin
    Not that I write bad things about the Leafs to get page hits, but when we like something nobody reads it.

    • NotInsane

      Burtonboy 
      PPP is riding with the Toronto Sun devil.
      They don’t right bad things just to get page hits but when they happen to write something bad… they will exaggerate to get page hits…. and have banners like “FIRE NONIS” and “Is Nonis a better GM than a potato?”

      • Cameron19

        NotInsane Burtonboy lol

      • .JVR.

        NotInsane
        Theres an example of why we all love MLHS so much

    • mcloki

      Burtonboy Because nobody believes you from all the bad stuff you write. It’s called a journalistic reputation

      • wendelsfist

        mcloki Burtonboy They learned journalist reputation from the Best – simmons, Berger and Cox

        • mcloki

          wendelsfist mcloki Burtonboy I just threw up a little in my mouth. Warm me next time you “bring up” those guys.

    • wendelsfist

      Burtonboy Isn’t this by definition a troll?

  • Knights2Leafs

    Nonis done good with Gunnar.  He gets shit on for not being a top pairing dman.  Hell, Dion gets shit on for not being a top pairing dman.  All I know is Gunnar is a top 4 guy for sure and I’m thrilled if our top 4 are:
    Gunnar – Dion
    Gardiner – Franson
    Much like our top 2 forward lines, our strength lies in the whole of the parts.

    • MaxwellHowe

      Knights2Leafs Maybe Gardiner and Franson will be much improved, but I have difficulty being thrilled with the very same top 4 as last year.  They did have their issues.

      • Knights2Leafs

        MaxwellHowe
        That’s the point.  It isn’t what we saw in the regular season but it is what we mostly got in the playoffs.  A freed up Gardiner with Franson.

      • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

        MaxwellHowe Knights2Leafs 
        Gardiner & Franson were amazing in the playoffs.  Should be PP1 imo.

        • theacs1966

          Bon Scott was a Leaf fan MaxwellHowe Knights2Leafs Take the captain off the PP, give him a few less minutes per  game.  He’s needed to eat minutes and can’t hit the net.

        • DWCMLHS

          theacs1966 Bon Scott was a Leaf fan MaxwellHowe Knights2Leafs Can’t hit the net? That must be why he’s 2nd among Dmen in goals since he entered the NHL. 
          Fuck.

        • getyourselfsomerest

          Bon Scott was a Leaf fan Amazing offensively sure. Defensively they were disastrous. Especially in game 7.

      • The_Polish_Cannon

        MaxwellHowe Knights2Leafs The personell is more than capable. It was Carlyle’s utilization of his roster that set us back at times. Took him far too long to realize Franson’s abilities on the powerplay and Gardiner’s well… all around ability

  • 4evrblue

    -Keon- they’re about to get a whole lot better!!

    • 4evrblue

      -Keon- having leafs on their team

    • NotInsane

      -Keon- 
      All the amazing youth we will send them, of course

    • NotInsane

      -Keon- 
      You’ll see. Next year they will miss the playoffs by 12 points.

    • wendelsfist

      -Keon- Carlyle’s and Cronin’s patented shot quality maximization training plus facepunchers

    • .JVR.

      -Keon- 
      I’m sure they’ll probably get about 10 other Leafs prospects.
      Rather than having 5+ guys sitting in the press box for every game this year, they’ll be able to send a few of them down to the Solar Bears.

    • .JVR.

      -Keon- 
      So, they’ll have 15+ Wild prospects, but only 5 Leafs prospects?

  • MaxwellHowe

    -Keon- Love the name though.

  • dlb eh

    i’m trying to reply but can’t FUCKING REPLY.

    • Knights2Leafs

      dlb eh 
      Alec’s got your number – smart guy :)

      • dlb eh

        Knights2Leafs dlb eh 
        i guess.  i’m allowed to make a comment.  but if someone replies, i’m not permitted to respond again.  i guess i’ll have to be always wrong.  even though i’m fucking BANG ON

        • theacs1966

          dlb eh Knights2Leafs Could you NOT reply a little quieter please?  For someone bang on about everything, why would you need to counterpoint?    We signed Gunnar, we have a new King, relax, its all good.

        • dlb eh

          theacs1966 dlb eh Knights2Leafs 
          that wasn’t the topic.
          and, nope.

        • dlb eh

          theacs1966 dlb eh Knights2Leafs 
          and i was kidding about being bang on.  i don’t pretend to know it all, but when i can’t reply i feel i know shit.  and that ain’t true either.

        • .JVR.

          dlb eh
          Hmmm, you just replied.  What’s the with venting above?

    • dlb eh

      anyone who wants to have an opposing view from me will have to assume i can’t reply and you canhave the final word since I FUCKING CAN’T REPLY.  again.

      • Savo43

        dlb eh …..lolll. I lost my phone…i feel your anger. >.<

  • .JVR.

    -Keon- 
    Kinda off-topic, but here’s an interesting fact.
    The average attendance in the ECHL was higher than the average attendance in the AHL last season.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    4 days with zero internet or cell connection. Liberating but I kept getting the itch.

    • Savo43

      Alec Brownscombe Where’d ya go Alec?

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Savo43 Alec Brownscombe Girlfriend’s cottage on Charleston Lake, near Brockville.

  • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

    Ping – Keon
    I started watching that 6 part documentary Auschwitz that you recommended.   Man, those Nazis were seriously fucked up.  My father visited a concentration camp when he visited Europe many years ago and managed to touch one of the ovens (gave me the creeps when he told me about it).  Watching this documentary further intensifies my hatred for what went down.  It will take me awhile to finish all 6 parts as I can’t watch it for too long without needing to turn it off.

    • .JVR.

      -Keon- 
      Yup, that was an all-around fucked up situation, but to take some good from the horrible, atleast advances in medicine were made.

    • jimmyg65

      Bon Scott was a Leaf fan I grew up in a Jewish neighbourhood here in TO in the 70s and 80s. I had friends whose parents, godparents, grandparents were concentration camp survivors. It was so awful when you see the tatoos on their wrists and realize what they’d been through.

  • Jordan29

    So where are all the people saying about 3 mil per is RIDICULOUS UNDERPAYMENT for Gunner? Lets go. Lets get this going. Everyone who said it lets hear the excues

    • DWCMLHS

      Jordan29 I had him pegged at 3.2

      • DWCMLHS

        Jordan29 But he deserves more. We’re lucky he was an RFA.

      • Jordan29

        DWCMLHS Jordan29 nice, I was a tad off I said 2.85-3 but I said a 3 year deal which elevated the salary. Very easy to digest this deal. Fair both sides and takes him to age 29-30

        • DWCMLHS

          -Keon- Very easy. We definitely can’t move him now, though. We absolutely need him. Our D is thin enough already. Hopefully a good number of our D prospects get good soon, because Nonis didn’t leave any cap space for help on D..

    • .JVR.

      Jordan29 
      Hmmmm, just because he signed for $3 million, doesn’t mean he isn’t underpaid.
      Do you think that he might have signed for less, so Nonis and Co. could retain Kadri, Franson and Fraser?

      • Jordan29

        .JVR. Jordan29 its a fair deal IMO when you factor the other deals the whole team signed. Nonis is clearly signing people who want to stay and will take the right price. Gunner is a solid defence and Im glad hes back

        • .JVR.

          Jordan29
          Agreed

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Now that I can check my email – interviews with Scott Gordon and Dave Poulin lined up for the 29th and 30th respectively.
    Going to talk to Morrison sometime this week as well.

    • Burtonboy

      Alec Brownscombe Good stuff . If they are 1/2 as good as the Cronin interview it will be a treat

    • lukethenuke

      Alec Brownscombe The Gordon one should be good… i believe he is the brightest coach on the staff

  • Jordan29

    @Cameron are you out there? Will you admit you were over estimating the Gunner contract now?

    • Savo43

      Jordan29 What was his guess? Personally from interviews ive seen Gunnar in, he seems like a team player, im not surprised really. Although i was expecting 3.8ish. Good on him. =)

      • Jordan29

        Savo43 Jordan29 I said 3.25 in my cap geek (which I knew was too much but just to shut him up lol) and he said it was obnoxiously underpay him. Lol Nonis and Burke are the same thinking on contracts and are pretty easy to predict IMO. Fransons will be very similar and start a bit low and end a bit high. 3 years and probably set him up nicely for a raise in his prime years contract

    • Cameron19

      Jordan29 lol, Just looked through my history.  I was saying 3.25 the whole time, occasionally going as low as 3.00, but adding that was always a hope.  You were saying 2.8, Jordan.  Your memory is poor.

      • Cameron19

        Jordan29 And I might add, 2.8 is the highest I ever saw you guess. I saw you as low as 2.0 on a couple mock rosters.

        • Jordan29

          Cameron19 Jordan29 No All my mock rosters were 2.75-3. I think .15 off is close. Also you said it would cost 3.5-4 if he was on a longer term like 3 years because it would eat away UFA years

        • Cameron19

          Jordan29 Cameron19 If you go through my history, you’ll see I never once said that. I said 3.5-4.0 for Franson.  In fact, almost all our conversations were about Franson.

        • Jordan29

          Cameron19 Jordan29 I dont think we can pay Franson that much now with Gunner getting 3.15 do you?

        • .JVR.

          Jordan29
          I’m thinking Franson signs a very similar deal as Gunnarsson’s.

  • getyourselfsomerest

    Good to see Gunnarsson re-sign. We need a couple more players like him. That’s why I’d like to pry Derek Morris out of Phoenix. If not now then at the deadline. Big, right-handed defensive defenseman to play along side Gardiner.
    Gunnar-Phaneuf
    Gardiner-Morris
    Fraser-Franson

    • moimoi

      getyourselfsomerest at 6’0″ 220lbs I wouldn’t call him big. Solid though.

    • .JVR.

      getyourselfsomerest 
      I’m hoping one of Blacker, Granberg or Holzer really break out this year and surprise everybody.

  • Burtonboy

    Nazem Kadri training for bigger role next season

    http://kylethereporter.com/2013/07/22/nazem-kadri-training-for-bigger-role-next-season/

    • .JVR.

      Burtonboy 
      Yup, that’s in the links above

      • Burtonboy

        .JVR. Burtonboy Never noticed lol

      • Burtonboy

        .JVR. Burtonboy The guys are ahead of the curve . Kyle only tweeted it himself 11 mins ago

        • .JVR.

          Burtonboy
          Yup, I guess they have their “inside sources” for these links.

  • DWCMLHS

    I could see Franson getting the Schenn deal, $3.6 x 5.

    • Cameron19

      DWCMLHS That would be sweet, but I doubt Franson goes for that.  He probably sees himself as being able to earn closer to 5 a year or two down the road.

      • .JVR.

        Cameron19
        How many years until Franson is eligible for Unrestricted Free Agency?

      • Tommy Cat

        Cameron19 DWCMLHS I can see that too.  He knows he can put up the offence and numbers rule.

      • Jordan29

        Cameron19 DWCMLHS franson will take that he would be stupid not to. A 5 year solid deal a year after he couldnt always make the starting lineup? People will blame Wilson all they want but he didnt play all that well

    • jimmyg65

      DWCMLHS I’d be happy with that, if they get five years out of him at that rate. I think he could have an even bigger breakout season this year….

    • Ze_theLeafsFan

      DWCMLHS I for one would be ok with that. That meas we have less cap hit for Kadi…

  • Ze_theLeafsFan

    Pretty good deal for Gunnarson. I wish it was a longer contract lol.

  • Ze_theLeafsFan

    Did we buy two years of Gunnarson’s UFA years?

  • Tommy Cat

    Excellent contact for Gunnar.  Good player.  Good contract.  Way to go Nonis.

  • Jordan29

    Im pretty sure most the guys took a tad bit cheaper for the 1st year to keep the cap down for the decrease. Like gunner goes from 2.85-3.45 in the end. Even Orr took 7.5% less then his last years 1 mil which is exactly the 7.5% decrease of the cap. I like players wanting to be here

    • Tommy Cat

      Jordan29 Seems that way.

    • Ze_theLeafsFan

      Jordan29 guess who I am?

      • Jordan29

        Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 whom

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan guess lol… I changed my name due to the new system

        • Jordan29

          Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 does it start with a p?

        • skiingallday

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan does it in with an s?

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan nop L

        • .JVR.

          Ze_theLeafsFan
          Hmm, why don’t you just tell him?

        • Jordan29

          Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 lons

        • skiingallday

          Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 was it Loric?

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          skiingallday Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 No

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          .JVR. Ze_theLeafsFan Cos it’s Jordan

        • Jordan29

          Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. what?

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. cos I would think you would remember me… :(

        • Jordan29

          Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 .JVR. i rememeber you on this name for a while. Like a long time. When did you change?

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. I don’t even remember lol. I give up… It’s Luisad

        • Jordan29

          Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 .JVR. oh ahahahahahaha ya I rememeber you saying that before actually i think. Ya you had the good old slut avatar. HMMMMM. The one who was better with clothes though

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. LOL you remmember! lol

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. That was Gunnar36’s sister LOL

        • Jordan29

          Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 .JVR. hahahahah hes been around here too sometimes. Thats how I usually remember people by their avatar. thats why i hate when people change them

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. haha I know I’ve seen him around. I come throughout the day… just can’t follow the entire convo like before

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. Good old days when Mr. AndyR was around :)

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. I miss MGKinUSSR…

        • Tommy Cat

          Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 .JVR. Mac In The USSR and 2 Minutes For Looking So Guru.
          Whet even happeded to them?  I’m sure they didn’t give up being Leaf fans.

        • Jordan29

          Tommy Cat Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 .JVR. I was just about to say I wonder where 2 mins went to. He was a champ. Seen him on UFA day I think thats it

        • Tommy Cat

          Jordan29 Tommy Cat Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. Still the same name?  He used to the the habs suck avatar.

        • .JVR.

          Ze_theLeafsFan
          Yup, this new format definitely sucks.
          But better than a fucked up disqus that never worked.

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Tommy Cat Ze_theLeafsFan Jordan29 .JVR. I know :(

        • skiingallday

          Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. but you’ve changed yours at least twice

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          skiingallday Jordan29 Ze_theLeafsFan .JVR. who me?

  • Ze_theLeafsFan

    I hope Kadri signs for a deal similar to Subban’s

    • Jordan29

      Ze_theLeafsFan he will dont worry. People go overboard with high predictions.

  • skiingallday

    so we have 6.57mill left for Kadri, Fraser and Franson….. gonna be real tight

    • Tommy Cat

      skiingallday There’s no way.  Some one has to go.

      • Jordan29

        Tommy Cat skiingallday nope watch and see. Kadri still needs to prove himself before a big deal

        • Tommy Cat

          Jordan29 Tommy Cat skiingallday He’s still getting at least 3.

        • Jordan29

          Tommy Cat Jordan29 skiingallday lol no he wont. It will sstart low and end above 3 but the average should be under

        • Tommy Cat

          Jordan29 Tommy Cat skiingallday I don’t see it.  3 plus for sure

      • Ze_theLeafsFan

        Tommy Cat skiingallday probably Fraser or a trade

    • skiingallday

      I can’t imagine that Franson gets below 3… and Fraser we’ll say settles for 900k that means we have only around 2.5 for Kadri… which I doubt he takes. Unless they sign him to a cheap 1yr or 2 year deal and so then they can give him a bigger contract when the cap goes up.

      • Tommy Cat

        skiingallday Yeah. Both Franson and Kadri will be getting 3 +

      • .JVR.

        skiingallday 
        I can’t imagine Franson getting more than Gunnarsson.  THE END!

    • skiingallday

      -Keon- ?

      • .JVR.

        skiingallday
        Brennan and Smith

      • skiingallday

        .JVR. skiingallday TJ Brennan might be there, but Smith won’t

      • Burtonboy

        .JVR. skiingallday and Holzer

      • skiingallday

        Burtonboy .JVR. skiingallday right. Ok, well then they likely won’t have trouble signing them then

      • .JVR.

        Burtonboy
        I think one of Holzer, Blacker or Granberg will probably be on the 23-man roster, or should I say 21-man roster, as I don’t think they’ll carry a 13th forward.

      • Burtonboy

        skiingallday Burtonboy .JVR. Not much wiggle room depending on the contracts these guys get . Might have to run a 21 man roster even at that

    • .JVR.

      skiingallday 
      Actually, it’s about $7.7 million when you take off Brenan and Smith’s contracts.

  • DWCMLHS

    No Bernier trade, CBO used on Liles instead of Grabo, Bozak let walk. Oh, what could have been…
    My Custom Lineup
    FORWARDS
    Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($5.500m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m) 
    James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($3.500m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m) 
    Matt Frattin ($0.488m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Nikolai Kulemin ($2.800m) 
    Jerry D’Amigo ($1.083m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m) 
    Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) / 
    DEFENSEMEN
    Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Dion Phaneuf ($6.500m) 
    Jake Gardiner ($1.117m) /  Cody Franson ($3.600m) 
    Mark Fraser ($1.200m) / 
    T.J. Brennan ($0.600m) / 
    GOALTENDERS
    James Reimer ($1.800m) 
    Ben Scrivens ($0.550m) 
    OTHER
    Buyout: Darcy Tucker ($1.000m) 
    Buyout: Colby Armstrong ($1.000m) 
    RETAINED SALARY TRANSACTIONS (0.778% of upper limit)
    Matt Frattin ($0.437m—0.5%) Ben Scrivens ($0.062m—0.1%) 
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (these totals are compiled with the http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/29659# cushion)
    SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,036,667; http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster/29659#: $512,500
    CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $3,775,833

    Better C in the top-6, more wing depth with Frattin still around, all RFAs signed to reasonable deals, Bolland and Clarkson still acquired, and enough cap space to bring in a Dman to replace (and hopefully upgrade on) Liles. Only worse off in the back-up goalie spot, which is not a big deal whatsoever. Oh, and we’d have another 2nd-round pick.

    • DWCMLHS

      And we wouldn’t be using any of our 3 retained salary trade slots, although here it shows part of Frattin’s and Scrivens’ contracts as retained salary.

    • DWCMLHS

      -Keon- Haha. Way better, actually. Grabo is a far better player than Bozak. Frattin adds wing depth. We’d likely find a much better use for cap space on D than Liles. And we’d actually be able to sign our RFAs. As it stands now, we’re probably going to have to clear more salary, making the team worse.

      • Savo43

        DWCMLHS -Keon- way worse actually. The end.

      • DWCMLHS

        Savo43 DWCMLHS -Keon- Keep telling yourself that. All hail Nonis, every move he makes is amazing! MMMMM Kool-aid.

      • DWCMLHS

        -Keon- He was pissed because his coach mis-used him. He kept his mouth shut until he was bought-out the day before his wedding, when he was probably stressed to the max.

      • Savo43

        DWCMLHS Savo43 -Keon- Telling myself? Im a singular being i don’t need to hold conversations with myself. You on the other hand seem to be having one in your post there, good on ya.

      • DWCMLHS

        -Keon- It doesn’t matter, anyways. Grabo was 100% right in his criticism of Carlyle. He should never have been used the way he was. Carlyle was too stubborn to give up the idea of having a pure shut-down line, even though he obviously didn’t have the proper personnel for it.

      • http://mapleleafshotstove.com/ daveybolland

        -Keon- Haha, what? It’s so easy to write that shit now that he’s gone. A courageous journalist writes it when it’s relevant when Grabovski was struggling.
        And of course all of this shit is just coming out now because it’s easy to write. Grabovski seemed to be  a good soldier durign the year. He said all the right things. It just appears Carlyle didn’t like him as a player.
        There are some people here who would accept literally any move and write dumb stuff like
        “Just business, man. I know you loved Kessel but at the end of the day he’s not a player you win with and he must have been bad in the locker room. In Nonis we trust. go Leafs go.”

      • .JVR.

        DWCMLHS
        And now he has the personnel for a proper shutdown line, so all is good.

    • .JVR.

      DWCMLHS 
      Yea, I don’t see that lineup being any better than what we have now!
      Who are you gonna acquire to play with Fraser and what are you gonna have to give up to get him?
      Also, you’ll be changing your tune when Bernier is a Vezina contender in a few years!

    • leafsinsix

      DWCMLHS no Komisarek in the roster, so you need to add 4.25 million which puts you over the cap. Komisarek is in because you bought out two others and didn’t include him in the roster.

      • .JVR.

        leafsinsix
        GOod catch

      • Bobsyouruncle

        leafsinsix DWCMLHS I see he bought out Liles instead of Grabs. Who else did he use a compliance buyout on?

  • Ze_theLeafsFan

    Trading Liles would solve many problems

    • DWCMLHS

      Ze_theLeafsFan Except our D would be even worse.

      • DWCMLHS

        -Keon- …
        Really? Losing our #5 Dman and having to call up an inferior player likely makes the team worse. 
        Fraser – Holzer
        Fraser – Blacker
        Fraser – Granberg
        Fraser – Rielly
        Fraser – Brennan
        Really think any of these pairings wouldn’t get absolutely shredded? Someone would have to take a big leap forward to save the pair.

      • Savo43

        DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan LOL, the way you spew your opinion as fact is very pompous, yet still entertaining and laughable. Like in that roster you posted below. Your conversations might go easier if you had an ounce of subjectivity, to others opinions. Like heck, maybe our GM’s opinion. They clearly have a vision that doesnt abide with your roster, which means, perhaps the players we booted weren’t exactly a fit. The way the players we traded played last year, is solid proof of that btw, Grabo was horrible, Scrivens was extremely inconsistent, and so was Frattin. The guy you’re comparing Grabo to (Bozak), actually had his best season, and showed massive improvements in all facets of the game at the same age that Grabo started his tenure here, while Grabo looked like a friggin ghost out there. Bozak has a higher ceiling here, especially with Kessel being one of his best friends here, its a no brainer. Not to mention that Liles guy you’re defending now was abysmal as well, he had one good moment the entire year, and it was during a 4-0 lead where he blocked a shot lollll. Your opinions are pretty limited in their understanding of the actual sport. Look at the strategy Carlyle implements and maybe you’ll understand some things =).

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan And you’re doing the total opposite man. Saying Grabovski is horrible because he had a bad 48 game season is just being ridiculous on the opposite end. And you’re giving way too much benefit to Nonis when “his” team hasn’t proven anything yet. Burke’s team made the playoffs last season, next season we find out how a more Nonis-stamped team does.
          And it will be a stiffer test. It will be tested for the full 82 games. It will play a home and home with each team in the other Conference. It’s going to be a much different season.

        • Cameron19

          -Keon- 

          Yes, and yes. You’re inventing credit for Nonis.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          -Keon-
          My sense is that it would’ve been up to Carlyle. 
          And Komisarek didn’t really get buried. He got scratched for a long time, said he would rather play a few games with the Marlies rather than sit idle.

        • Pent_House

          -Keon- Don’t forget Lombardi. Jeez thank goodness he’s gone.

        • Savo43

          Alec Brownscombe Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan Mhmmm, ok there Alec, still hurt on the Grabo subject i see. So lets trade 4.1m dollar Bozak for 5.5m dollar Grabovski, and then defend Liles for being a 4m dollar 5th defenseman. Sorry but im not the total opposite “man”, im just not obsessed with the players we lost, because we have proven we can play just fine without their contributions. I dno if you noticed but without those contributions and without them playing in roles that we apparently think they deserved, we won MORE GAMES. As for Grabovski he was effing horrible, he had 48 effin games to fix his shit. That is TONS of time. Especially considering he played how many before that in the KHL? Cmon, get over your man crush, he’s not needed.

        • DWCMLHS

          Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan Lol. Grabo’s play was a result of gross misuse. Liles has not been very good, but losing him and not bringing in a replacement will still hurt the team. Bozak rode an inflated shooting percentage. He still scored at a pace almost 30 points below Kessel, on the same line. That’s a fact. He didn’t get any better defensively, imo. He’s still a 3C putting up inflated 2C numbers in a 1C role beside a point-per-game player. He’s ideally the 3rd-line center on a team that uses 3 scoring lines. But on the Leafs, he’s an eyesore in the 1st-line center spot.  
          When I see the coach/GM make an objectively bad move, I’ll criticize it, unlike those who will come up with every reason possible to justify it. I’ll praise good moves, like getting Gunnar locked up today. Not every move coaches and GMs make are good, though. Nonis and Carlyle have each made decisions worthy of a lot of criticism. They shouldn’t get a free pass. 
          The worst are the people who will hate a rumored deal, but then convince themselves it was a good move days after it gets made. What the fuck? Have some fucking conviction. “Oh, the GM made the move, so it actually must be good”. Not everyone who has a job is always good at it.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Savo43 Alec Brownscombe DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan 
          There’s no sense in arguing here.
          I have no crush on Grabovski, I’ve never been a big fan. I just recognize what he brought to the table. 
          I get it, you like to be positive and spiritual and all that, there’s  no sense in going down this road again.

        • DWCMLHS

          Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan That’s supposed to read “at an 82-game pace”

        • Alec Brownscombe

          -Keon- It’s up to him to pick the team. The GM accommodates for that.
          Burke repeated this is how it works time and time again. Not that the GM never has any say, but we have no idea either way. I do know that Burke built the core and Nonis’ big addition for most of the season was Frazer McLaren.

        • Burtonboy

          Alec Brownscombe Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan No disrespect Alec but I think your dead wrong about Nonis . He and Burke worked on this team right from day one and what Nois is doing now is continue to impliment that plan. Would Burke have let Grabo if Carlyle, who Burke himself hired had said that was what he wanted? I think he definetly would have. BTW Nonis was the one who wanted Eakins but Burke had final say and wanted Carlyle. Can’t remember if it was Dreger or Cox that reported that but I remember reading it .

        • Savo43

          DWCMLHS Savo43 Ze_theLeafsFan Ok well i will be here mid-season when you change your views on everything you’ve been arguing. See ya then.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan What will be proven wrong?
          I’ve said we’re a marginally improved team. I don’t think Nonis has pulled off miracle work as you do.
          This tough guy act is hardly constructive conversation.

        • Savo43

          Alec Brownscombe Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan Huh? lolll

        • DWCMLHS

          Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan Lol. I won’t change my mind. Based on the info we have no, keeping Bozak and using a CBO on Grabo over Liles was an objectively bad decision, no matter how much people try to justify it. Same goes for the Bernier deal, at least from a cap-management standpoint. They are bad moves based on what we know now.

        • .JVR.

          Savo43
          What are you talking about man?
          Grabovski was a fucking beast in the playoffs!

        • DWCMLHS

          Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan now’

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Burtonboy Alec Brownscombe Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan 
          BB –
          My sense, and this comes with a little inside info, is that Burke knew how to work a trade negotiation like no other. He was a great horse trader and he usually got what he wanted. Nonis was the more quiet calculating type.
          Very good trades were responsible for the additions of Franson, Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Gardiner. We wouldn’t have been much of a team without them.

        • Pent_House

          DWCMLHS Savo43 Ze_theLeafsFan They’re bad moves based on advanced stats, not based on what we know.

        • rustynail

          .JVR. Savo43 lots of sizzle no results and still a one man band

        • Savo43

          .JVR. Savo43 lollll, he made some nice plays, the main one on being on the incredible goal JVR scored. That said, where was he when we needed a goal? where was he when we needed to stuff Krejci or win a faceoff? Did he provide on the 2nd powerplay he was given all year? Does he play penalty kill? He doesnt, and he’s a shutdown guy at 5.5? ok im confused. Why does it matter that he’s gone?

        • .JVR.

          Burtonboy
          Exactly, Nonis had more to do with putting this team together than alot of people give him credit for.

        • rustynail

          .JVR. Burtonboy sure he did :)

        • Savo43

          .JVR. Burtonboy Burke credited him with the leg work for a lot of trades and deals for sure.

        • Burtonboy

          Alec Brownscombe Burtonboy Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan I’m not criticizing Burke’s work at all . I am saying they both had a hand in how this organization progressed since they came here. I think we need to at the very least put this team on the ice before we say its a total fuck up . If it is then shit will hit the fan and Nonis will be looking for another job.

        • .JVR.

          DWCMLHS
          How was using a compliance buy-out on Grabovski instead of Liles a bad move?
          We already have Kadri, Bozak, Bolland and McClement down the middle, so Grabovski isn’t needed.
          Whereas Liles can still be a big part of the team’s backend.

        • .JVR.

          Savo43
          Hmm, I’m not arguing that he isn’t overpaid, but he wasn’t as bad as you’re making him out to be.
          If he was making $4 million or less, you’d probably think he did a good job.

        • Tim Horton

          .JVR. DWCMLHS Because Kadri Grabo Bolland McClement would be a more talented core. I really don’t think that can be successfully refuted. You can say Bozak is a better fit but don’t tell me he brings what Grabo does.

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Burtonboy Alec Brownscombe Savo43 DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan as much as we compare the two… how do we know that Nonis is not the new puppet?

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Ze_theLeafsFan Burtonboy Alec Brownscombe Savo43 DWCMLHS Burke had an autonomy clause in his contract and would go down fighting if he felt his autonomy was threatened. We certainly did know that wasn’t the case with Burke. 
          Can’t say if it is or isn’t with Nonis.
          I never liked the way it looked when Burke was mysteriously fired w/ extremely odd timing and fancypants Lieweke came strolling on in talking about being hands on.

        • .JVR.

          Tim Horton
          I can’t sit here and say that Bozak is a better player than Grabovski, because he isn’t, but the fact remains that:
          1) He took $1.3 million less than Grabovski 
          and
          2) He and Kessel have chemistry together and are best friends (which should make resigning Kessel easier)

        • Ze_theLeafsFan

          Alec Brownscombe Ze_theLeafsFan Burtonboy Savo43 DWCMLHS I feel like Burke was let go because of Lieweke. They would never be able to work together.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Ze_theLeafsFan Alec Brownscombe Burtonboy Savo43 DWCMLHS Could be just me but that sets off alarm bells in my head.
          New ownership wanted their guy running their teams. Lieweke embodies the image they strive for. Nonis has a more quiet, conservative demeanor with a more corporate image than the rough and tumble Burkie. 
          Hard to say how it’s all related. Did we wind up with one less top notch hockey executive out of this deal though? To that I definitely say yes.

        • Burtonboy

          Alec Brownscombe Lets just see how this all plays out on the ice before we go ape shit.

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Burtonboy Alec Brownscombe I’m not saying let’s go ape shit.
          Regardless of whether the team makes the playoffs next season, I think we were better off with Burke than without long term, don’t you?

        • Uncle Otis

          Alec Brownscombe 
          I believe that is very close to/ exactly what Andrew R predicted when Bell/Rogers took over interestingly

        • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

          Alec Brownscombe Burtonboy 
          As much as I believe in Nonis…I’d agree with that assessment.  Burke was always the best man for the job here in Toronto.

        • B_Leaf

          Ze_theLeafsFan Alec Brownscombe Burtonboy Savo43 DWCMLHS 
          Hey guys, i think everyone here is making some good points. Grabo had a bad year by his standards, but wow if he could have bounced back. His heart will be missed. But we were decisive and we did replace him with Bolland. Bozak had to come back, we need him he is quality. Frattin trade was a mistake all the way in my opinion but I guess we’ll have to wait and see…at least we brought in Clarkson. I don’t know why we didn’t use the compliance buyout on Liles instead of Komi, but again maybe there is a trade there or they feel Liles bounces back.

        • Uncle Otis

          Bon Scott was a Leaf fan Alec Brownscombe Burtonboy 
          I don’t think we’ll ever find a better “trader” than Burkie…he had some magic

        • Burtonboy

          Alec Brownscombe Burtonboy I still have no idea why Burke was let go and neither does anyone else. Personally I just can’t get the idea out of my head that his firing had nothing to do with how the team was being built . Thing is I’m pretty much convinced that what Nonis is doing is only a continuation of Burke original plan .

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Uncle Otis Alec Brownscombe Interesting you bring up Andrew R.
          I remember him telling me not to be surprised if Burke is gone with the new owners in town. It sounded ridiculous to me at the time and I kind of forgot.
          Now that you bring him up, I remember he did see this coming.
          Of course most else about what he argued was dead wrong, but still.. he did see it coming.

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Alec Brownscombe Uncle Otis you know what they say about blind squirrels though…lol

        • dlb eh

          Alec Brownscombe Uncle Otis 
          so the blind squirrel found that evasive nut
          he had to stay out all winter looking for it, but he found it

        • .JVR.

          B_Leaf
          Give it time man, I think in a few years when Bernier is contending for the Vezina Trophy, you’ll be saying Frattin-who? and Scrivesn-who?

          As for using the CBO on Komisarek instead of Liles, I’m alright with that.
          I believe Liles will have a bounceback year and he is way more tradeable than Komisarek.

        • Uncle Otis

          Alec Brownscombe
          I always admired his conviction and ability to withstand the onslaught of slings and arrows… mostly with dignity.
          He wasn’t off on everything, but clearly not a Burke fan
          I miss the fire he brought around here…but am clearly in the minority haha

        • DWCMLHS

          Pent_House DWCMLHS Savo43 Ze_theLeafsFan It doesn’t take advanced stats to know Grabo>>>>Bozak. He’s visibly much better, both offensively and defensively, and can produce better in a 2C scoring role with Mac and Kuli than Bozak can in a 1C role with Kessel.

        • B_Leaf

          Burtonboy Alec Brownscombe 
          Burkes work has turned out pretty good…the JVR trade was a no brainer…the Kessel trade has really taken a twist in his favour because Kessel has really grown as a player…the Phaneuf trade was pulled out of a hat…and the Lupul, gards trade was brilliance but also a no brainer….Franson deal brilliance…drafting kadri brilliance…What I really liked about Burke is that he kept the quality that was already here…Grabs, Kule, Frattin, Gunnar, Reimer, Scrivs

        • DWCMLHS

          .JVR. DWCMLHS Bozak should have been let go. That’s the point.

        • DWCMLHS

          .JVR. Tim Horton They don’t have chemistry together. Kessel producesat a higher rate away from Bozak than with him.

        • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

          Uncle Otis Bon Scott was a Leaf fan Alec Brownscombe Burtonboy 
          Forget the Dion deal.  Snagging Lupul and Gardiner was equal to pulling a rabbit out of his ass.  Funny thing is, last summer people were saying Burke got taken to the cleaners over Ledba for Lombardi and Franson.  Personally, I’ve got Franson penciled in for our top 4 for the next number of years.
          Burke was a master trader (and a brilliant hockey mind).

        • DWCMLHS

          CanuckUKinToronto DWCMLHS .JVR. Bozak’s good in the locker room? You’ve been in there? Neat. Tell us more, oh insider.

        • dlb eh

          Uncle Otis Alec Brownscombe 
          dignity?  more like ignorance and arrogance.  Andrew R didn’t like Burke and would play any angle he could find to try to slag him.  he was utterly biased.  liked nothing unless he thought of it first.
          i liked him most of the time.  but he was infuriating when you forgot where he was coming from, because there was no changing his mind.  he was unbendable because he could care less about the other perspective and who it was coming from.
          i think Andre R was that Cope guy.  no wonder he knew something.
          hi andrew.  lurker!

        • dlb eh

          DWCMLHS .JVR. 
          Bozak doesn’t like you either.

        • .JVR.

          DWCMLHS
          What people don’t seem to realize is the fact that Bozak has only really played 3 seasons in the NHL and is only gonna get better.
          I expect him to max out as a 60 point player, which isn’t horrible at all.

        • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

          DWCMLHS CanuckUKinToronto .JVR. 
          Bozak keeps Kessel happy.

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Bon Scott was a Leaf fan DWCMLHS CanuckUKinToronto .JVR. and a happy kessels scores lots of goals…..and an even happier kessel backchecks!

        • Uncle Otis

          dlb eh 
          I think that description fits a lot of posters in here
          It simply WHAT he was arguing that brought the hate
          I witnessed him stay on topic many times despite many bitter personal attacks…not sure I could have done the same
          Always admired that

        • Bon Scott was a Leaf fan

          Uncle Otis dlb eh 
          Yep….he could hold his own without lowering himself to actual troll status.

        • dlb eh

          Uncle Otis dlb eh 
          that’s true.  he started more debates than anyone else.  even the old regulars who could generate good stuff couldn’t get so many people attacking them at once like he could.

      • .JVR.

        DWCMLHS
        I think any of Fraser and Holzer, Blacker or Granberg would do alright.
        Rielly isn’t ready yet and I don’t know much about Brennan.
        Fraser and Holzer seemed to do pretty damn good as the Marlies #1/shutdown pairing during their run to the Calder Cup Finals in 2011/12 and could surely handle third pairing duties in the NHL.

      • MaxwellHowe

        DWCMLHS Ze_theLeafsFan With respect to JML, his name may as well be a synonym for expendable

        • .JVR.

          MaxwellHowe
          You must like the taste of crow!

    • .JVR.

      Ze_theLeafsFan 
      It might, but I think he is gonna have a bounce back year and prove all you doubters wrong.
      Third pairing and Phaneuf’s partner on the 2nd PP unit.

      • Ze_theLeafsFan

        .JVR. Ze_theLeafsFan I am ok with that but someone needs to go…

        • .JVR.

          Ze_theLeafsFan
          Please explain to me why somebody needs to go?

        • MaxwellHowe

          .JVR. Ze_theLeafsFan I guess to free up space to pay Franson and Kadri

        • .JVR.

          MaxwellHowe
          Yea, you guess because you don’t know!
          $7.7 million is more than enough to lock up Kadri, Franson and Fraser.

        • theacs1966

          .JVR. MaxwellHowe Well thats not good since we only have 6.5 of cap space left.

        • .JVR.

          theacs1966
          I’ve already explained why we’ll have $1.2 million more in cap space than Cap Geek currently has us down for and I’m not gonna explain it again.

        • theacs1966

          .JVR. theacs1966 Sorry to bother you, Sire.

    • Jordan29

      Ze_theLeafsFan Liles is not a problem at 3.8 mil. Hes actually quite effective when played.

  • Pent_House

    Nice deal on Gunnar, 3.15 is solid. I thought he would have came in closer to 3.5

    • B_Leaf

      Pent_House 
      I was thinking $3M for two years would be good so getting that extra year with a hit of 3.15, I think we did a solid for the team.