The Toronto Maple Leafs have avoided arbitration with defenseman Carl Gunnarsson, with the two sides agreeing to terms on a three-year contract. TSN’s Darren Dreger is reporting it’s worth $9.45 million. Salary is listed at : $2.85m, $3.15m & $3.45m.
The 26-year-old Gunnarsson had one goal and 15 points in 37 regular-season games for the Maple Leafs in 2012-13 and added an assist in seven Stanley Cup Playoff games.
A seventh-round pick in the 2007 NHL Draft, Gunnarsson has 12 goals and 69 points in 224 games for the Maple Leafs.
But when looking at Carl Gunnarsson’s future with the Toronto Maple Leafs, it isn’t a question of ‘if?’ It’s a question of ‘how much?’ The soon-to-be 27 year old is a restricted free agent this summer (on account of a late birthday) and you’ve got think he’s the third highest priority to re-sign after fellow RFAs Nazem Kadri and Cody Franson.
On the most recent Leaf Report podcast, both James Mirtle and Jonas Siegel agreed that Gunnarsson’s cap hit would likely fall between $2.5 and 2.9 million. Given the number of tough-as-nails minutes he plays, his chemistry with Phaneuf and burgeoning offensive game, I’d reckon his money will be closer to 3.5 million come July 5.
Whatever the cost, I wouldn’t miss the money, as 30-point defensemen and shutdown defensemen are not usually contained within the body of one man, and to have one so cheaply is doubly rare. The Leafs may need to improve their D corps, but Dave Nonis has real keeper in Carl Gunnarsson.
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Here is a list of comparable cap hits among defencemen.
6 Leafs invited to Olympic Camps
Sidney Crosby and Jonathan Toews lead a list of 47 players invited to a summer orientation camp for the Canadian men’s Olympic hockey team.
The newcomers on the list include young guns like defencemen Alex Pietrangelo and P.K. Subban and forwards Steven Stamkos, John Tavares, Claude Giroux and Brad Marchand.
The others are goalie Roberto Luongo, defencemen Dan Boyle, Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, Brent Seabrook and Shea Weber, and forwards Patrice Bergeron, Corey Perry, Ryan Getzlaf, Rick Nash, Mike Richards, Eric Staal and Joe Thornton.
The goalies are Luongo, who was the starter in the 2010 gold-medal game, as well as Carey Price, Mike Smith, Corey Crawford and Braden Holtby.
The other defencemen are Karl Alzner, Jay Bouwmeester, Mike Green, Dan Hamhuis, Travis Hamonic, Kristopher Letang, Marc Methot, Dion Phaneuf, Marc Staal and Marc-Edouard Vlasic.
The other forwards are Jeff Carter, Logan Couture, Matt Duchene, Chris Kunitz, Andrew Ladd, Milan Lucic, James Neal, Patrick Sharp, Jordan Staal and Martin St.Louis.
Wingers Nikolai Kulemin and Leo Komarov were invited to orientation camps for the Russian and Finnish Olympic squads.
USA Hockey had their roster announced Monday afternoon and Leafs defenseman Jake Gardiner, wingers Phil Kessel and James van Riemsdyk were invited.
- Nazem Kadri training for bigger role next season – “I want to be a go-to guy they can count on, a guy who can really lead the way on the ice.”
- Leiweke says he wants a new legacy for Leafs – Tim Leiweke says he meant no disrespect towards former players in talking about taking down photos of past Maple Leafs at the Air Canada Centre.
- NHL: Maple Leafs want to see fans in their seats on time
- Solar Bears announce with Maple Leafs, 2nd NHL affiliate
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So I see everyone went a little crazy over my Liles for Wilson trade. Perhaps it was a little short sighted. I was in a hurry too.
However I feel like we might be a contender this year. Not sure how the new parts fit, but if they fit very well, then I could see us being in the hunt. We just need a little more depth in my opinion. The only way to get that is move Liles. But no one will take Liles in my opinion. I mean seriously...three more years at 3.8M for a guy who couldn't make our D last year.
So if you really believe we are contenders right now, I actually might, then what do you do. Keep Liles and sacrifice depth that could be brought in with cap space? Or figure out a way to move him. If you want to move him and his salary you are going to have to sweeten the pot. Anybody who thinks the Islanders or Nashville or NJ is going to take Liles off waivers or who is going to take him in trade is delusional in my opinion. If we trade him while keeping salary...how much? I mean if we keep half his salary for three years it seems pretty stupid...and even then will teams take Liles for three years at almost $2M? I wouldn't.
SO what is the realistic solution? Do you feel we are contenders that we should make a move? Probably we wait some games to see how the new line-up fairs without Grabs and Frattin. We see how Bolland fairs? We see what Clarkson brings and how the team gels. Maybe Liles plays a lot better. Either way it may make more sense to make a move mid season.
But how many feel we are legit contenders because that is the question we need to ask when thinking about the Liles problem?
So here's a question with next years cap (lets just say it's going to 70mil) and Kessel, Phanuef, Gardiner, Bolland, Kuli, Reimer, McClement, are all in need of new contracts do you think we can sign them all? I think it would be wise to sign some now so that we can have better value, rather than them have a great season and demand more. Thoughts????????
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I think the Blues have 10 Olympic invitees.
Canada: Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester
USA: Backes, Oshie, Shattenkirk
Sweden: Berglund, Steen
Other: Halak, Sobotka
I'm guessing all but Bouwmeester make their teams.
For insurance reasons, Team USA won't take ice during orientation camp. Canada dealing with same thing.
@B_Leaf How can you call yourself a contender behind the veil of that paper bag ? With that paper bag on beautiful face (presumably), we may have enlist the services of CSIS to know who you truly are.
@B_Leaf We're not contenders this year. We have a decent shot to make the playoffs, and now we know they won't back down from anyone. But we're not contenders.
Here is what I think our situation looks like for next season assuming Liles is moved by then:
J.V.R. (4.25) - Bozak (4.20) - Kessel (7.50)
Lupul (5.25) - Kadri (3.25) - Clarkson (5.25)
_________ - Bolland (3.50) - ___________
_________ - McClement (2.50) - Orr (0.925)
Gardiner (4.25) - Phaneuf (7.00)
Rielly (0.925) - Franson (3.50)
Gunnarsson (3.15) - Granberg (0.80)
CAP HIT: 64.6 million
If the cap is 70 million, we'll have an average of 1.5 million or so to spend on our remaining 3 blanks (leaving some room for call-ups, and so forth). If the cap is only say 67.5 million (probably more realistic), that leaves only 800K or so per spot - which means we might have to negotiate a smaller deal for Gardiner (2 years vs. 4/5), and barter a little harder with Phaneuf/Kessel. Or, consider trading a goalie. Either way, the writing looks to be on the wall for Kulemin.
@leafscapguru Just off the top of my head...I think it's unlikely Kuli, Bolland, Dion or McClement will even warrant raises (maybe small ones). Reimer will likely be gone (or Bernier will). We get 2.5m of dead money back off the Cap from buyouts etc. Gardiner is still a RFA, so his raise will be small too.
Kessel's gonna get a huge deal...hopefully it's from us. But we can afford his raise just based strictly on the money we get back from the expiring buyouts.
@Area49th Something about the way Grabo skates with the puck reminds me vaguely of Wayne Gretzky. So I imagine he is what Gretzky would be without his insane hockey IQ. Just a good skater winding about getting smashed into the boards with great frequency.
@Area49th Any NHL ones though?
@Radar O'Rielly Or a Wife :)
@Cameron19 Chicago has 12 or 13 don't they ?
@Murph2417 Still giving you problems?
@Burtonboy What are they going to do? Play NHL 14?
@Burtonboy too expensive to insure lol
@Cameron19 Gardiner won't get anywhere near 4.25m.
@MaxwellHowe Somewhere, right now, Wayne Gretzky is throwing up in his mouth.
@MaxwellHowe @Cameron19 @Jmessih Why is the fact that he's RFA negative to my point. It just makes it far easier for us to retain him. A back-up goalie isn't going to develop on the Marlies in one year. How much "seasoning" did everyone think Scrivens and Reimer needed initially? Most goalies aren't ready to start being a back-up until 25 or so, and Sparks and Gibson are 20/21. Reimer and Bernier are a huge strength for us right now - I have no idea why we'd tear it down so soon.
@Jmessih We cannot afford to move out a quality goalie on a whim though. Look at how long Quick dominated before they finally moved his quality back-up. You just don't turn that position over as fast as fans are expecting we will. Reimer/Bernier are probably our tandem for at least the next 2 years.
You are certainly correct about him not dominating the AHL last year - he was second best defenseman most of the year.
@Cameron19 I agree his injury affected his play...but he still didn't show anything this year. He absolutely did not dominate at the AHL level this year either...despite the propaganda coming from Eakins.
This is my main point...he's been inconsistent up to now. Committing 25m to a guy who hasn't even put together ONE great season is ridiculous. Maybe it's necessary in today's NHL...but it's also very risky.
@djamon @Cameron19 Yea, he was injured though. It would be foolish, in my opinion, to overwrite his ability based on the time period between the playoffs and his concussion. He thoroughly dominated the AHL before coming up and being one of our most significant players in the NHL playoffs. That's not nothing.
@Cameron19 He didn't show shit this year. He basically had to beat out Mike Kostka and Holzer...not exactly murderer's row. He was good LAST year...when the expectations were almost nothing.
He has zero leverage, he plays at a position we are very deep organizationally and he's not been a consistent NHL'r yet...at all. If he can pull 22 minutes this year then maybe you take a chance and do what those other teams did. But just realize that it's very risky to commit that kinda money to an unproven player.
Those other teams did it...but they're taking a huge risk.
More than that though, it's probably more beneficial to the team in the long run to just pay the guys we want around instead of constantly dicking them around and trying to get them on short, cheap deals.
Everyone wants to Subban our players and thinks that Montreal got this tremendous deal by bending him over a barrel for 2.875 million over a season and a half. In reality, they paid him 5.75 million for 120 games - which is far heftier than the cap hit makes it look. Subban was seeking 5-6 years at around 5 million. Now Montreal will have to extend him in the 6-7 million range. So that one year of cap flexibility (the one upcoming), will end up costing them 2 million per year in cap space over the following 3-4 years, based on what they COULD have had him for.
This is the dilemma we're going to be faced with on Gardiner next year. Might be better to try and lock him up around 4 million for 4-7 years. He is clearly very highly regarded around the NHL to warrant an Olympic invite based on just 87 games experience.
@djamon @Cameron19 Gardiner has done what he's done while on an ELC, and he will be negotiating a year from now, by which point he will have likely demonstrated in 3 different seasons, for 3 different coaches, that he is a difference maker at all levels - AHL, NHL, playoffs. Projecting career arcs is an important part of this. Gardiner is much younger, and has a much high ceiling, and that will be a huge factor, just as it was for all his comparables.
@Cameron19 You can say all these things about Gardiner too.
He hasn't done it consistently enough to get paid that highly though. And he did it in an extremely sheltered role. And it was a shortened season. And he has no leverage because he did not elect salary arbitration and has 2 more years of RFA. It works both ways.
@Cameron19 @djamon I think we should sign McClement soon as he would not be a big raise at this point, Kessel obviously sign him, would be upset if bolland walks for what we gave up hopefully his term is manageable, Gardiner should be signed as well that's an offer sheet waiting to happen, Phanuef is going to be the hard one I think not sure what he will demand he is our best defenseman (yes I said it) and the guy gets killed by the media not sure if he will settle with 7mil (which is a lot) Kuli I see gets traded with JML during the season I think, which is unfortunate cause I think he would wicked in the 3rd line role
@djamon @Cameron19 No they aren't. Josi has only played one season. Same with Voynov - he just completed his rookie year. We're talking about a difference of 13 and 15 games respectively separating them. Even Hamonic has played only 180 games. Shattenkirk is by far the most established having played 2 and a half season.
These guys are getting paid because they're performing at a very young age - not because of how established they are. The goal is to try to lock them up before they become expensive.
@Cameron19 Maybe...but those players are all far more established than Gardiner. I think it's more likely he follows Franson model so far.
@MaxwellHowe Lol...he has no problem with his daughter taking on the role of Internet whore. But when you compare Grabovski to him he draws a line!
@mcloki I hated the way he bitched about Carlisle. Admit you played like shit...whether that was in the role you preferred or not. We're the 2nd organization he's ripped on his way out. See a trend?
Also, he should have thanked Burke for funding his retirement plan.