An Addendum on Friday Morning’s Scoring Chance Post

An Addendum on Friday Morning’s Scoring Chance Post

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On Friday morning, I took some shots at a particular writer at the PPP community that were misinterpreted. I will be taking the time to make some clarifications here.

The scoring chance tangent of my previous post had everything to do with Greg Cronin’s interview last week with Alec Brownscombe. Cronin explicitly stated that he believed that the Leafs were not out-possessed last season and made a mention that the coaching staff tracked scoring chances. I thought the premise was odd given that scoring chances are generated via shots – more shots, more scoring chances. Unfortunately, we only have one source to track scoring chances. Cam Charron will not be publishing the numbers pulled from last season, so we’re left with using Greg Sinclair’s excellent shot-tracker website.

By the way, apologies to Charron for my persistence about his scoring chance tally. I wasn’t aware he had already posted his reasons for refusing to divulge that information. I was tweeting from my phone and was on my way out the door for the weekend. So confusion aside, I don’t like it, but I understand why he’s refusing to share it. I just wanted to find out what Cronin is talking about.

According to www.somekindofninja.com site the Leafs were out-chanced at even-strength 392 to 355. I had also stated that the discrepancy of the scoring chances were not that significant for this reason from @Taylor_Wright:

That said, I think it’s safe to say that the Leafs were soundly out-possessed at even strength – the shots taken, and not just scoring chances, by their opponents is too significant to ignore. As said before, more shots lead to more chances. However, many members from PPP and MLHS have noted that the Leafs did a fairly good job throughout the season suppressing scoring chances, but the Leafs’ first pass game exacerbated the shots against issue.

SkinnyPPPhish took a look at goals given up at four increments of distance – less than 10 feet, 10 to 20, 20 to 30, and 30+. The chart he provided showed that the Leafs were below the league average in goals given up – e.g., the Leafs were indisputably poor in suppressing scoring chances. Since the cumulative totals suggested that the Leafs were poor defensively, I had this theory that it wasn’t the system, but the goaltender: Ben Scrivens.

A while ago, Anthony Petrielli posited that the system Carlyle had in place was design to not only protect the low defensive comportment of the Leafs defense, but to funnel shots into the goaltender. As we can see, James Reimer played into that theorized system completely:

James Reimer: 34 goals, 262 shots: .870%

But Ben Scrivens didn’t:

Ben Scrivens: 25 goals, 128 shots: .805%

I think it is important to highlight that the Leafs were a totally different team with Reimer in net. For whatever reason, Scrivens lacked the ability to stop scoring chances at or above the league average.

Last season, the Leafs gave up an estimated total of 392 scoring chances. Of those chances given up, they gave up 59 goals for a save percentage of .849. I took the liberty of charting the other 29 team’s even strength scoring chances and goals given up.

Scoring Chances

A few notes from the chart above:

a) Edmonton had the league’s best save percentage, but also the worst at suppressing scoring chances;
b) Chicago was surprisingly one of the worst teams in giving up scoring chances, but somehow managed to keep the puck out of the net;
c) New Jersey was the league’s best at suppressing scoring chances (worth noting that Mark Fraser compared the Leafs defensive system to the Devils;

So to summarize the chart, the Leafs were 8th overall in suppressing scoring chances, at league average in both goals against and save percentage. These numbers do NOT line up with SkinnyPPPhish’s conclusions. While total shots against were definitely an issue, scoring chances were not. If the Leafs wanted to suppress scoring chances, they did an excellent job of it last season.

I thought about the numbers in front of me and theorized that many of the teams who managed to suppress scoring chances and / or prevent resulting goals had a very strong defense – Los Angeles, Chicago, etc. Or had incredible goaltending – New York Rangers, Columbus, etc. Or both. For me, the Leafs result goes back to what Petrielli said about the Leafs’ defensive system: the defense was atrocious and the goaltenders needed to play into the shot funneling. While Reimer played his role, Scrivens did not. This might partially explain why the Leafs traded for upside in Jonathan Bernier.

I’m still not convinced that Cronin was giving us the entire story. We know that the Leafs have their own in-house shot trackers – this is indisputable as every team has some arrangement of video and stat tracking. Carlyle has made a few mentions about the shots against being an issue, but if I am remembering correctly, he inferred that the issue had to do with execution – it may also suggest a personnel issue. Unfortunately, thanks to the many topics on this subject, Google turned up too many results. So until someone finds the article, you’ll have to take my word for it.

Some of the issues are as followed:

1) The lack of a consistent breakout game absolutely robbed the Leafs of momentum in many games this season. In some sequences, in particular against Boston during the first round, the Leafs were hemmed in their own end unable to move the puck out of their zone;
2) The rotation of the centre in lieu of a defenseman moving to cover the net did not always result in good board coverage. This might be one of the execution issues that Carlyle referred to;
3) Because the Leafs used a variant of a box plus one system, they were usually down one extra break out option;
4) The wingers often broke out of the zone and ahead of the play to beat the defensemen for a scoring chance.

All these issues compounded the shot suppression problem. My hope is that with a full training camp and a positive outcome with Franson’s contract negotiation, with improvements from the defense with Gardiner taking a full time role in the Leafs top-four, the organization can move forward in suppressing shots, while maintaining their proficiency in eliminating scoring chances against.

I hope my explanation clears up Friday morning’s many questions.

164 comments
Doit4Dougie
Doit4Dougie

What kind of penalties can the league enforce on teams who start the season over the cap?

n1ck13
n1ck13

I've checked in on this site many times, but never posted.  Been thinking about Franson quite a bit, and think he is a perfect sell high candidate.  He had almost 2 full years in Nashville where he was not anything special, and one full year (albeit spread over 2 years) in TO.  He had a great season and playoff, but last offseason no one knew, or cared for that matter, whether he was coming back from Europe.  I think you sell high and recoup part/most of what was gave up for Bolland.

Lescott
Lescott

Does the scoring chance count missed shots? Blocked shots? Missed one-T's? Or is this just shot tracking? Does it take into account who is shooting?

Stats...

palmspringsleafer
palmspringsleafer

There needs to be a breakdown of the shots further. We all remember Jason Blake crossing the blue line firing a weak shot into the goalie's belly. Whistle, line change end of any threat no scoring chance but a shot on goal. I think he led the leafs in shots but struggled to score!!

Shots aren't always the best indicator of a game. They can certainly be but they can be deceiving as well. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

Fraser can go. He's a replacement level player. Also, in arbitration for this sort of stuff, +/-, hits and blocked shots are not taken into acct. Justin Bourne had info on backhand self about that. Nice story for him, but he's a 7th d on most teams.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Fines up to $5 million that count against the cap, loss of draft picks, suspension of team officials including GM, forfeiture of games.

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

I don't think the team can play the season

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

Welcome to the site. And yeah we cud sell high on franson but would only if the offer is really goo d

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

I think gunner is way more valuable than fraserand imo is just as valuable. As franson but I think franson gets more

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

True. A Kulie shot does not equal a Kessel shot except as as a stat.

whalz
whalz

FRANSON is licking his chops,,,,,,,,,,

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

Philly's $2 million over.

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

They had to overpay to get their rfa's signed I think

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

What's your ceiling on his salary? I'm struggling with it myself.

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@-Keon-  But then Dion goes, what did Bogo just get ? Hmmmm lol, then its not so good


Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

Bogosian is better then fransom so it should work in our favour yeah

jcg_4
jcg_4

@DeclanK I don't agree; Fraser is the type of player you don't miss til he's gone. He keeps the other teams forwards constantly looking over their shoulders. We've been looking for that guy since Burke got here and now that we've found him people are saying he's unnecessary.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

My favourite thing I liked about Fraser is it was no risk putting him out against the other team's 3rd or 4th line grinders.

I think an arbitration jackpot will be difficult for him because of his small number of NHL games played and the fact it was a 48 game season.

ingy56
ingy56

@DeclanK He's a Leaf or an expensive Marlie though, unless they can trade him. 

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

Must be getting some coaching from his dad, who is a judge.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

It hurts when I'm reminded about when teams could set their own cap. Detroit was spending $77 million over 10 years ago.

Mitch92
Mitch92

@-Keon- Maybe, but I would like to see him doing his "proving" with the Leafs than elsewhere!  I think bigger dollars and longer term is the way to go here.  Franson should be in the top two highest paid defensemen on the team.  So many here expect Gardiner or Rielly to develop into a top pairing d-man but there are no guarantees.  Right now our top four should include Phaneuf, Franson, Liles and Gardiner.  As much respect as I have for Gunnar, he will never be considered for the Norris trophy.  I truly believe Franson could be in the discussion over the next five years.

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

I don't disagree, it's more about Fraser asking for $2 million in a cap reduced season, coupled with the fact he's never played a full NHL season. He's trying to play salary catch-up after just 143 NHL games played since being drafted in 2005.

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

Those "we don't care" signings are adding up.

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

I know. Sucks. I'd prefer that spot for Blacker. Leafs are asking for a 2 way, so at least he's buriable.

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

Picks are nice but I would want something that cud help us now

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@n1ck13 @Black_Hawk Welcome to the Sight, Franson is a 6.5 Right shot Dman who just finnished top 10 in scoring, I would bet any return for Franson would start with a 1st and high end prospect bro :)

IMHO

 

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

I got ur point just giving my jus giving my 2 cents

Mind Bomb
Mind Bomb

@Yaknowwhat @Mind Bomb  Hmm, man I toss and turn on this one. Their is shit to replace him with ATM. I dont think we can afford to lose him, but 8 years at 7m, 56 mil, that does kinda make me think about offers.


Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

That will disappear after a few games.

Black_Hawk
Black_Hawk

Yea now we as fans need to worry about the cap situation of our teams on top of all the on ice stuff. If there were no cap no one would be bitching about the Clarkson deal.

whalz
whalz

too much..........worth 1-1.3 max

Xxxxxnew
Xxxxxnew

I think I'd agree if his contract came up next year with a higher cap. It's the short season that I don't trust, not just with Fraser but with a lot most players who had a jump in their play last year. I'm thinking the arbitrator will probably go $1.3 or thereabouts.

rustynail
rustynail

@DeclanK if he's a Leaf it means he beat somebody else for the job.

DeclanK
DeclanK moderator

If he's a Marlie, who cares. If he's a Leaf, I'm not in that camp.