The 5 most unlikely fights in Leaf history

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From Conn Smythe’s likely-apocryphal quote, “If you can’t beat ‘em in the alley, you can’t beat ‘em on the ice” to Brian Burke’s tears for Colton Orr, the Toronto Maple Leafs have always encouraged fighting.  There’s not much to report on in Leaf land right now, and instead of lamenting unsigned RFAs and the cap woes, let’s take a look at some of oddest fights in Leaf history.

The combatants are unusual, the results often surprising, and most of them leave one thinking fighting has no place in hockey (especially if you can’t fight).  But they’re all still pretty hilarious, and ought to be remembered fondly by all Leafs fans.

Phil Kessel: Aikido Master

I gotta give Phil all the credit in the world for scoring the take down at the end of this grappling fest, using leverage to blunt Kris Russel’s assault.  It makes for awkward watching, but so does pretty much everything Kessel does that isn’t scoring goals.

But after watching this video I can’t understand why people call Kessel soft.  Here he is, mucking and banging in corners and answering the bell.  Look at that grit! Look at that jam! Sign him an 8-year contract extension already!  Seriously Dave, sign him to an 8-year contract extension.  Please?

Ian White just drives Ilya Kovalchuk crazy

Losing Ian White was pretty much the only sad thing about the Phaneuf trade and this video is probably the best evidence of it.  It’s not every night you can bait a Rocket Richard winner into a fight.  The diminutive Ian White antagonizes and targets Ilya Kovalchuk time and again throughout the game, demonstrably rattling the Russian superstar.  White lays a thunderous/late hit on Kovalchuk.  Kovalchuk responds with his fists, looming large over White, to an eventual draw.

While not exhilarating or decisive, it’s without a doubt the best fight on this list tactically speaking.  That’s what makes it so unlikely.  One of the league’s best players is driven mad to the point of violent criminality at the expense of the good but not amazing Ian White.  It’s one thing to take a guy off his game, another to get him out of the game for 9 minutes in penalties.

Sylvain Lefebvre and the origin story of a prominent hockey blogger

Pretty much everything about this video is amazing.  First off: remember Beckers and Xerox machines? Hilarious!

This was a terrific fight from one of the least likely candidates in Lefebvre, who was a sturdy defenseman but no noted fighter.  The fight itself starts off with a lengthy chawing session between Lefebvre and Rob Brown, before some wild flailing.  Eventually Lefebvre connects with some haymakers, and just flattens Brown into the ice. The fight spawned the moniker of the hockey journalist/humourist Sean McIndoe (though in fairness, the call on the play sounds more like, “Brown! — and he goes down!  Three in a row and Brown is down”).

Gary Leeman and Denis Savard on protracted war

What happens when a guy who scores 1300 points in his career faces off against a guy in the middle of a 50-goal season?  Perhaps the most tentative fight ever.  The video begins with Leeman and Savard together in a scrum, with Leeman landing a few shots before Savard slips way.  Around the 2:00 mark, the two stars circle each other for a solid minute, with Savard constantly conceding ground and trying to slip away from Leeman.  There have quite possibly never been two people less eager to fight each other.

By the time Leeman finally closes the gap on Savard, a streaking Dave Manson comes from off the ice to intercept him.  Manson, who would tally over 300 PIM that season, obliterates a referee and helps put the world’s most miserable fight out of its misery.

Felix Potvin shocks the world; stands up Ron Hextall

Felix Potvin has a special place in the hearts and minds of Leaf fans who saw him play in the 90s. Ron Hextall has a special place in history for being the only guy to ever take off his skate and try to stab a guy.  No, not actually, but he’s the only goalie to have three consecutive 100+ PIM seasons and was a vicious loose cannon.

So when Ronny boy took off down the ice after Potvin as the final buzzer sounded, Leafs nation collectively held their breath.  Then something impossibly awesome happened: Potvin fought back.  And well.  While no decisive take down or knock out is scored by Felix, he certainly gave the bigger, brutal Hextall an even beating.  One of my favourite Leaf moments ever, without a doubt.

BONUS: Remember that time Mats fought?

I never really questioned why Mats Sundin never fought.  He was a skill player, and the Leafs always employed a policeman or two during his tenure.  And then I stumbled upon this glory from his days with the Nordiques.

Sundin’s opponent, Dave Hannan, was a bit of journeyman and hardly a reputed fighter. He stands a half foot shorter than Sundin, but it isn’t even close to a contest.  Sundin fires off some ungainly punches before Hannan closes the distance and starts landing a flurry of rights. Hannan manages to sneak behind Sundin as the  Swede tries to swat him, in a display of puglism that would make Alex Semin snicker.  For all his hands, Mats sure couldn’t throw a right.

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  • Robbies

    Good morning…what a great way to kickstart the day..
    Felix takes the prize, with Killer leading ths cheers
    Great stuff !!!

    • phaneufoundlander

      Did you see Wendel trying to leave the bench after Manson jumped Leeman? Manson was lucky that night…..he would have lost some chiclets for sure….my boy Wendel, he will always be my favorite of all time!!

    • mcloki

      Ya just look at that team. Clark Gilmour. Potvin, Lefavre, Sundin. Such a good team

      • MaxwellHowe

        mcloki One of the best.  A golden opportunity to win the cup, but it slipped away.

        • phaneufoundlander

          Thanks to buttfuck Kerry Fraser

  • phaneufoundlander

    Bob Cole and Harry Neale…..those were the days…

  • mcloki

    Love that Felix fight. A highlight that will be shown forever.

    • Leafs rule

      mcloki I hated Hex after that ,called him names every time I had to watch him play ,good thing he couldnt hear me lol

  • phaneufoundlander

    Happy Friday morning folks…..can barley wait for the season to start….been following the juniors and our kids are looking good! I think Finn will surprise a lot of people.

  • MLHS_Luke

    Has Gauthier scored in both games he’s been in now?  Or has he just been in one game and I’ve read that article twice?

    • GeorgeCastanza

      MLHS_Luke 2 goals in 2 games so far

  • MaxwellHowe

    I was really disappointed when Lefebvre left the Leafs (traded for Clark?), in part because he was a very good player, in part because of this fight.  Brown was out there acting tough with the visor, and Lefebvre knocks his ass out.  And just leaves him there and skates away.  Too sweet.

    • Jantz

      MaxwellHowe He was without a doubt the best Defenseman on that team. In his own end the puck would be on his stick, off the glass and out. Without question…… every time. He was so damn reliable.
      I think you meant to say he was traded with Clark in the Sundin deal. Funny thing with Lefebvre, he wasn’t much of a player before getting here and his career was never the same after he left.

      • MaxwellHowe

        Jantz MaxwellHowe yeah, I recalled he was traded to the Nordiques.  The Leafs really took a gamble with that trade for Sundin – I loved Clark, but in every respect that trade turned out to be a steal.

        • Jantz

          MaxwellHoweJantzIt sure wasn’t like that in 94 as most of Leaf nation was in mourning. Hated to see Wendell go however, anyone who can’t acknowledge how one sided that trade became is delusional. Wendell’s body betrayed him and his career subsequently ended way too early.  #Alltimegreat

  • mORRganRielly

    Okay, story time.  I think I’m going to do the Mash Up on Saturday or Sunday with more details, but here we go.
    Back in 2008, I had just been promoted to Line Supervisor for a well known restaurant down time.  I had finished my apprenticeship only months before, so this was a big deal for me.  But where the perks of more responsibility in the form of a bigger paycheque were obvious, the hockey connections the restaurant owner were not.  
    His name is Wayne Cowley.  He played one game in the NHL and never played again.  Bounced around in North American minor leagues and the professional leagues oversea.  
    Anyway, there was one night where I was asked to stay behind for a party of 40.  The Leafs had just beaten the Lightning at the ACC that night during the honouring of the 1993 Leafs team.  You know that team.  Many of us had become Leafs fans because of that team.  
    Well, the entire team, including some of the current Leafs, came to the restaurant.  While I’m by myself in the kitchen, guess who walks by the line saying, “Hey bud!”
    Doug Gilmour.
    I died and went to heaven.  
    But this isn’t about Gilmour.  It’s what I said to Felix Potvin after I was told to get out of the kitchen to meet the guys.
    “Man, I cannot believe you fought Hextall.  What the fuck were you thinking?”
    You know that moment that gets frozen in time when you say something really stupid and the recipient’s face goes from pensive to incredibly offended?  
    That was me and Felix that night.  
    I am not a smart man.

    • Mind Bomb

      mORRganRielly  Good times, Good times 
      :)

    • Robbies

      Please finish this tale of unfortunate brain lock !!

      • mORRganRielly

        Robbies I will post more on the weekend.  Some amazing stories.

    • dlb eh

      mORRganRielly 
      haha, you picked a fight with felix and he didn’t throw down?  he wasn’t scared of Hex but he sweated you.  maybe it’s time you puff out your chest and tell it that way haha
      we ran into Gilmour at a golf course the year he was a free agent and he was class all the way.  no trouble stopping to chat with a couple of thugs.  reassured us something would get done.  love that guy.

    • Leafs rule

      mORRganRielly re ::You know that moment that gets frozen in time when you say something
      really stupid and the recipient’s face goes from pensive to incredibly
      offended?  Wow what a post ,thanks for sharing

  • mORRganRielly

    -Keon- Hmmm, please edit that Keon.  You know what words I’m talking about.

    • phaneufoundlander

      what wrong with it bro…they are cute little creatures :)

      • mORRganRielly

        phaneufoundlander It’s racist, derogatory, and offensive.  It also reflects badly on the site.  I doubt we would get the interviews we have been getting all summer if MLSE saw the racist comments.  No one wants to be remotely connected to that kind of language.

      • mcloki

        mORRganRielly phaneufoundlander Totally agree. I like the fact that this site is relatively civil. and the racial aspect is frowned upon.

      • mORRganRielly

        phaneufoundlander No. It’s for the same reason we’re aligned with the YCP project.  No one should have to endure any form of discrimination or bigotry.  Ever.

  • Cartsy

    I believe it was Joe Bowen who had the “Down goes Brown!” call, not Bob Cole or whoever is doing play-by-play in that clip.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Cartsy Bowen had the radio call that night, it’s a classic.

  • GeorgeCastanza

    Amazing that in 1996/97 all my favorite post ballard leafs playing together. Gilmour, Sundin, Clark, and Domi for frick’s sakes  just before Gilmour got traded.

    • Leafs rule

      GeorgeCastanza Just seeing that sentence that gilmore got traded made me wince again ,memories that will never end ,sigh

    • dlb eh

      GeorgeCastanza 
      great time to be a fan.  i also got excited when Clark-Muller-Thomas weer on the team, and when we signed Niewy and Roberts that one summer.  honorable mention goes to having Tucker-Green-Corson in there too.
      we had some tough teams back then…

      • dlb eh

        GeorgeCastanza
        i thought trading for Nolan would put us over the top but he couldn’t stay healthy.  i remember thinking “now we have a guy who can catch up with and beat on the guys we hated” in addition to score the odd big goal.  that never really materialized, of course.

  • Mind Bomb

    Morning Folks, nice Idea for a Blog Michael.  Man one of my best all time memories as a leaf fan, I couldn’t believe my eyes when Potvin Fought Hextall. 
    Good time, Good times

  • Mitch_S2

    Starting to get pretty high on Gauthier. I really wasn’t into that pick at first, but he’s definitely showing that he’s a winner. The guy battles hard and with a solid showing in during the regular season I’m willing to bet that he makes the World junior squad.  To be frank I wouldn’t be surprised to see all four leaf prospects make the team, Rupert is getting a long look.

    • Leafs rule

      FrycersGhost But U werent the only one lol,I agree he has so much potential

    • Mitch_S2

      FrycersGhost I didn’t realize he was so highly touted. I believe he was picked right after Drouin and MAckinnon in the QMJHL priority selection.  And coming into this draft most scouting reports had him in the 12-16 range. Among north american skaters he was 8th.  I can’t help but see this as a Jordan Staal pick up.

    • Jimmy Keating

      Mitch_S2Sidney Crosby was part of the scouting process for Gauthier. He called him and put a good word in for the team. 
      Leafs have Sidney Crosby to thank for first-round pick

      “Frederik Gauthier was planning to go to Harvard. He was going to play
      hockey for the Crimson and study math, sciences and psychology and get
      an Ivy League education all for free.
      But then the phone rang and his mom said a “Sidney” was on the line.
      Sidney was no girl. It was Sidney Crosby, who was calling to tell
      Gauthier to maybe forget Harvard and forget getting an Ivy League
      education and instead come play for the Rimouski Oceanic in the Quebec
      Major Junior Hockey League. And because it was Crosby, who also played
      for Rimouski years earlier before going on to become one of the best
      players in the NHL, Gauthier listened.
      “He told me how great it was when he was there,” said Gauthier. “I can say that he was right.”
      Indeed, it looks like he made the right decision.
      After scoring 60 points in 62 games as a rookie last season, Gauthier
      was selected 21st overall by the Toronto Maple Leafs in the NHL Entry
      Draft on Sunday. He was one of two players that the team selected from
      the QMJHL — a total of 29, including first overall Nathan MacKinnon,
      were taken from that league — and is the first Quebec-born player picked
      in the first round since goalie Eric Fichaud went 16th overall in 1994.
      The Leafs did not have a French-Canadian on their roster last season
      but acquired goalie Jonathan Bernier of Laval, Que., this summer.
      Gauthier hopes to add to that in the near future.
      “I’m going to do my best and try to make the team … and make them maybe draft more Montreal guys,” he said with a laugh.
      The Leafs traded their second- and fourth-round picks to the Chicago
      Blackhawks as part of the deal for Chicago’s David Bolland. Here is a
      look at who the Leafs selected with their remaining picks, along with a
      scouting report from director of amateur scouting Dave Morrison:
      No. 21: Frederik Gauthier
      Centre | 6-foot-3, 193 pounds
      Rimouski (QMJHL)
      GP 62 G 22 A 38 P 60
      Closer to 6-foot-6 than his listed height, Gauthier projects to be a
      second-line centre who models his game after Jordan Staal. He led
      rookies with a 46.6% face-off winning success rate.
      Morrison says “Frederik was on our radar quite early.
      We sort of wanted to get a centre if we could. Certainly, he’s very good
      in his own zone, he’s responsible and good on face-offs. I would say
      he’s got a developing offensive game … But we like his size, we like his
      game. He’s a big kid, but that’s a good thing.”
      http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/07/01/leafs-have-sidney-crosby-to-thank-for-first-round-pick/

      • Jimmy Keating

        Mitch_S2Alex Tran with his scouting profile: 
        http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/06/06/2013-nhl-draft-profile-series-frederik-gauthier/

        • Jimmy Keating

          Mitch_S2And a pretty kick-ass review when he was drafted. 
          Very intelligent player, which Burke put a premium on when he was here. It looks like they have kept that going and it’s panning out for them. 
          http://mapleleafshotstove.com/2013/06/30/frederik-gauthier-leafs-first-round-pick/

      • Black_Hawk

        Jimmy Keating Mitch_S2 nice

  • Jmessih

    Morning all,
    Been a good camp from Gauthier, Finn and Rupert so far. Gauthier has been controling games and playing effectively defensively (including a huge shot block) and scoring a goal in each game. Finn has scored and been huge on the PK and Rupert has played his role well and brought some energy and good pking.
    Gotta be happy to have positive reports from all, instead of “didn’t notice them” stuff.

    • Mitch_S2

      Jmessih Would love to see Finn traded to the Knighs, see him take a team deep in the playoffs.

      • Jmessih

        Ya that would be great. Would be good for him to get a deep playoff run in his last year of jr, plus the coaching in London is top notch.

      • Black_Hawk

        Mitch_S2 Jmessih might happen

  • mlclearwater

    Watching the Felix highlights reminds me how much I loved Potvin as a kid. would always pretend to be him when me and my brother played ball hockey on the driveway or in the basement. What a beaut he was

  • peterbleafs

    Never get tired watching that Potvin fight, makes me chuckle every time.

  • Jantz

    CanuckUKinToronto Agreed. Nonis will find a way to hopefully make a Hockey trade. Time will sort everything out so we need a little faith.

  • mr_hanie

    People here may be too young to remember the “Broad St. Bullies”, but the greatest collection of fighers the NHL has ever seen. They were the Philly Flyers of the early 1970’s. They also had the dirtest stickman eve…D-man Ed Van Impe, who never used his fists but would carve his intials on your face.

    • Jantz

      mr_hanie I grew up a Bruins fan as my dad watched hockey but was never a Leaf fan.He took to my first game probably around 1972 to see Espo and the gang.
      Needless to say i hated the Flyers and still do to this day. The last playoff game I saw was Roenick’s OT winner…….. bastards.
      Looking forward to going into Phily and beating up the Flyers again this year.

      • LightmyLeaf

        Jantz mr_hanie I remember them well. I also remember as a small kid the Montreal/Toronto blood bath fights. The fight wasn’t over til there was blood everywhere, and seem to remember the Habnots bleeding much worse than the Leafs…..

        I was reminded as to the impact, when 4 years ago my boy went out for his first full equip Jr. Tyke skate, and just as he went to go on to the ice, he turned and asked me “Dad, do I have to fight?” …I guess he was ready to go, if he had to, I sure wasn’t and I couldn’t believe I missed talking about that……anyways, he’s doing awesome, loves the fights (on TV)…and UFC….but I will never forget those early bouts….

      • Dink

        Jantz mr_hanie 
        I remember a Flyer-Leaf playoff game the Leafs won 8-5 (think this was game Sittler had 5 goals) 
        Anyway once the Flyers knew they weren’t going to win they went ballistic…blood all over the ice…worse display of sportsmanship I ever saw..can still see Shultz being led off the ice…
        Back when 4 hour games were not only common, but expected.

        • Jantz

          @Dink Jantz mr_hanie Was it Sittler or Turnbull that had the 5 goal game ? I was a little young then but Salming was getting killed but we still had a lot of toughness from Sittler, Turnbull and some others that I can’t recall there names.

        • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

          Jantz mr_hanie Sittler got the 5 vs. the Flyers in a playoff game. Turnbull got 5 vs. the Wings in regular season.

        • LightmyLeaf

          ingy56 Jantz mr_hanie I remember Sittler’s 10 point night…can’t remember who they were against, had to be late 70’s…but I remember counting every one of those points….I think it was 5 goals….could be wrong….

        • LightmyLeaf

          ingy56 Jantz mr_hanie against the Bruins…6 goals 4 assists

        • LightmyLeaf

          ingy56 Jantz mr_hanie ..and it was 1976…dating myself a bit here….

        • Jantz

          LightmyLeaf ingy56 Jantz mr_hanie  Reece,  I believe was the goalie and that was pretty much the end of his career.

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      mr_hanie I can remember Dave Schultz throttling Dale Rolfe of the Rangers one night. Rolfe was a big guy, but no fighter. Schultz pretty much ended his career.

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    Leaf “History” is a bit of a reach here, so many good candidates for unlikeliest fights. Recent history perhaps. Eddie Shack trying to escape from the Plagers and Bob Kelly was a good one.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8PeOwP88o

    • Jantz

      ingy56 All time classic.

  • dlb eh

    Poni vs Ray stood out to me at the time too

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      dlb eh Remember Rob Ray vs. the idiot fan?
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp7ApYx6Qbc

  • Uncle Otis

    Cool thread Micheal
    Wendel vs Savard?
    Love the Hab that first comes “to the rescue” haha
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f-HRbIGnCs

    • dlb eh

      Uncle Otis 
      was it Manson who went after Savard (another time)?

      • Uncle Otis

        dlb eh 
        Don’t recall that one..but he was a dirty prick with the stick,so it figures true

        • dlb eh

          Uncle Otis dlb eh
          started with Leeman, forgot about that part
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEB8ysTJajg

        • Uncle Otis

          dlb eh
          Great stuff.DLB
          fav line
          “I heard Gary Leeman can really fight” !!! lol
          I think Harry got his F words confused 😉

        • dlb eh

          Uncle Otis dlb eh
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvMX1Yan0Es

        • GeorgeCastanza

          Uncle Otis dlb eh Al Iafrate’s wife would agree.

        • Uncle Otis

          GeorgeCastanza
          haha…glad somebody figured that out
          Crater face must have been all tripod. 😉

        • dlb eh

          Uncle Otis GeorgeCastanza 
          oh i think we knew…i couldn’t post  a reply until i came to

        • GeorgeCastanza

          Uncle Otis GeorgeCastanza LOL!

        • Jantz

          GeorgeCastanza Uncle Otis dlb eh Is that when Secord punched out Leeman ?

    • Leafs rule

      Uncle Otis Wow  Clark just wow takin on all comers on the habs team ,fuc I miss ……

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    Tie Domi and the water bottle dude in Philly was very unlikely and the most unlikely fight (Not Leaf) had to be Milbury pummeling that poor bastard with his own shoe.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjupnYB5vUI

    • Jantz

      ingy56 Ingy is rolling now.

    • mlclearwater

      ingy56 Milbury beating a guy with his own shoe is fucking amazing. really awesome and only thin that makes me even remotely enjoy the Bruins

      • Marlies Man

        mlclearwater ingy56 I don’t care who you cheer for and how ridiculous a moment it is, it is fuckin’ hilarious! He beat him with his own shoe. Someone should track down that guy for an interview.

  • dlb eh

    i remember Kessel’s first game vs Tampa there…wow.
    a lot of us were unsure it was the right move trading picks for a supposedly soft kid like Phil.
    he was coming off shoulder problem, took one of the biggest open ice hits i’ve ever seen, and got up and continued the game.
    i remember how much faster he was than aything in recent memory.  he was absolutely flying out there, and that’s his speed.  Mogilny was a hell of a talent, someone who reminded us that we didn’t have a lot of them through the recent years.  well, Kessel is all that.  and we got him when he was a kid.  he’s a beauty all right.  hopefully we lock him up for 8 years and he breaks some records here.

    • mcloki

      dlb eh Amen Brother.

    • steele123

      dlb eh the kid is a gamer and gives his all, is emotional and wears his heart on his sleeve…plus he is from minnesota. 8 years at 7.5…or more whatever…

      • dlb eh

        steele123 dlb eh 
        8 yrs and 64 million and i’m happy to have him

    • Black_Hawk

      dlb eh yeah i remember him getting laid out by ohlund and thinking uh oh

    • Black_Hawk

      dlb eh and i agree i hope we lock him up

  • Leafs rule

    -Keon- Me either ,I thought it was stupid then and still do , Injuries be damed ,he was/is the heart of this leaf nation imho

  • wiski

    How bout that Phaneuf vs Prust fight 😉

    • Uncle Otis

      wiski 
      haha…mepps #4?

      • wiski

        Uncle Otis wiski Rapala 😉

        • Uncle Otis

          wiski 
          Funny..no bites 😉

        • wiski

          Uncle Otis wiski # 17 woulda bit 😉

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    Semin’s “slap fight” was unlikely:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM

  • Ratzshite

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzKktoIKaT4

    • Jantz

      Ratzshite Love Stumpy. Never understood why we traded him to Chicago.

  • mlclearwater

    God I wish we had a young wendel on our team again. The early male baldness seemed to contribute to his one ice rage. What a tough tough s.o.b

    • Leafs rule

      mlclearwater re the wish for a young Wendel ,me too,still remember his early games where he took on some tough guys who didnt take him seriously at first ,wham ,he got respect quickly

      • Ratzshite

        Leafs rule mlclearwater i wish for a young Wendel that could play center and win face-offs this year, maybe we send Bozie to UFC for a year.

        • mlclearwater

          Ratzshite Leafs rule mlclearwater Bozak would need Phil to come into the octagon with him hahah

        • Leafs rule

          mlclearwater Ratzshite Leafs rule LMao ,haaaaaaaaalol

      • mlclearwater

        Leafs rule mlclearwater Plus he could score and his team sucked (early years). Bob Probert was a drunk manchild and Clark took him on all the time to stick up for his teammates. Clarke is in my top 5 leafs off all time but i was born in 84 so I am biased towards players over the past 3 decades

    • Uncle Otis

      mlclearwater 
      There is only one Wendel..never to be repeated

      • Leafs rule

        Uncle Otis mlclearwater I hope your wrong lol ,……

  • CaptainMorgan

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSMuzYxukrc

    • CaptainMorgan

      Here’s an unlikely fight if i’ve ever seen one

  • Uncle Otis

    My kinda thread…sadly I have to leave
    One for Phook 😉
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YmDhswtU5A

  • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

    https://twitter.com/scottcwheelerhttps://twitter.com/scottcwheeler/status/365840346460073985
    Max Domi was on SN590 this morning talking World Junior Evaluation Camp and he was quick to note Gauthier as the team’s MVP so far. Domi said Gauthier has blocked a ton of shots and been excellent on the PK.

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      ingy56 suck it Bergevin!

    • MLHS_Luke

      ingy56 We obviously need to not let our excitement overwhelm this kid’s development (not that Leaf fans would ever do that….), but it is awesome that he is doing well.
      We may also recall that Pogge and D’Amigo were WJC stars..

      • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

        MLHS_Luke ingy56 This is true, but it still shouldn’t spoil the moment.

      • mlclearwater

        MLHS_Luke ingy56 Good point, it is two goals in pre-tourney warm up games. However it is still better then a kick in the nuts. THe kid seems like a gamer and we have heard nothing but good things about him. Hopefully he continues to develop at his own pace and isn’t rushed. I like the way we are developing our prospects

      • Jantz

        MLHS_Luke ingy56 Debbie downer…….. but you are right my friend. After all it is only exhibition but as someone mentioned in the previous thread, these positive contributions by G,Finn,Rupert and Toninato ( sp ? ) are encouraging and is a helluva lot better than not hearing a word about any of them.

        • mlclearwater

          Jantz MLHS_Luke ingy56 How did Toninato do in yesterdays game? Didn’t hear about it

        • MLHS_Luke

          Jantz MLHS_Luke ingy56 Absolutely nothing wrong with having fun with it.  It just isn’t fair to the kid to assume he will become our next Kadri RIGHT AWAY OR ELSE WE TURN ON HIM.  Which again, never happens….

        • Jantz

          mlclearwater Jantz MLHS_Luke ingy56  Didn’t hear a thing . I won’t be able to see tomorrow’s game but i will check in here to hear some of your game reviews.

        • Jantz

          MLHS_Luke Jantz ingy56   Nothing you can do about those fans with unrealistic expectations. All we need to do is look back at the summers of 2010,2011 and 2012 on here to see how many had given up on Kadri. I know BB and others were adamant about keeping him but many wanted him moved.
          Personally I don’t expect to see Gauthier with the Leafs until 2017 or so however, i do look forward to him dominating in the Q and making the world Jr team this year.

      • dlb eh

        MLHS_Luke ingy56 
        agreed.  but it does feel different to me
        with Pogge, i was never sold, simply because goalies are a different breed, and we’ve seen plenty of kids do well at junior then disappear, and also plenty come out of nowhere (seemingly) when they’re 28 to be stars.
        D’Amigo was a little different because he wasn’t doing anything else except scoring the big goals (at least, i never heard about any other part of his game).  there was nothing to make it feel like he was suddenly a sniper, though.
        Gauthier feels more like he’s not over-achieving to me.  the goals are a bonus, of course, but good smart defensive play leads to offensive chances, especially when you’re playing with other good players.  the kid’s size and development path suggest he’s just doing what he’s capable of doing…

        • Jantz

          dlb eh MLHS_Luke ingy56 Nice post although I disagree with your take on D’Amigo. He was dominant at the WJC and ” scoring big goals ” is a pretty important thing in this game.

        • dlb eh

          Jantz
          i didn’t see a lot of footage with D’Amigo doing anything other than scoring the goals. there was definately the feeling he could be that big moment player, but it didn’t feel like he was creating goals in a way that would make him a regular goal scorer. to me, he became a Claude Lemieux? for our future 3rd line hopeful…and there’s nothing bad about that.  Josh Leivo feels like a different type of goal scorer, for instance.

        • Jantz

          dlb eh Jantz I know what you mean but the hype was unreal. It is so much different today with all of the numbers that we have in our system combined with a winning product ( finally ) at the ACC. I think Gauthier, Reilly and others will be given lots of rope.
          Leivo clearly has a higher ceiling.

    • Black_Hawk

      ingy56 awesome

  • mORRganRielly

    For those wondering, this is the game in which I met the entire 1993 Leafs team (some weren’t able to show up, but I couldn’t tell you who they were because I don’t remember).

    http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/recap.htm?id=2006020446

    • wiski

      mORRganRielly They are replaying the 93 game vs the kings today on tsn.

      • mORRganRielly

        wiski Dude.  No.

        • MLHS_Luke

          mORRganRielly wiski For me, that game now pales in comparison to our recent game 7 collapse.  Hopefully time heals the Boston series as it (mostly) has the LA one..

  • Dink

    All these bloody ads are causing my PC personal grief

    • mORRganRielly

      @Dink What ads?

      • Dink

        mORRganRielly the video that plays when entering is the biggest culprit, why does it have to play unless clicked…

        • mORRganRielly

          @Dink mORRganRielly Honestly, I have no idea what you’re talking about.  You should try using Ad Block or something…

        • Dink

          mORRganRielly blitz corner video plays every time I enter

  • AC

    Hey, what about McCabe and Chara… McCabe fell and Chara picked him back up to continue the fight…

  • Mitch_S2

    TSN has highlights of the Canada/Sweden game, shows Gauthier’s goal. Dont get to see te rough stuff though.

    • Jantz

      Mitch_S2 Just saw them myself. Maybe TSN got some flack from Leafs fans because they didn’t show that goal yesterday. Nice stick tap by Gauthier to get the attention of his winger before redirecting it into the net.

      • Mitch_S2

        Jantz Mitch_S2 Good hands on em, I really wanted to see the shot block too.

        • Jantz

          Mitch_S2 Jantz I know what you mean but not too many shot  blocks make the highlight pkg in August. LOL

  • mlclearwater

    I know it has been mentioned, but all this Gretzky talk is actually pissing me off. I DON”T CARE ABOUT WAYNE GRETZKY GETTING TRADED…AT ALLLLLL

    • MLHS_Luke

      mlclearwater Like it or not, it was a turning point in NHL history, which is why it is a big deal.

      • Jmessih

        I think he is saying he doesn’t like it lol

        • mlclearwater

          Jmessih Oh I understand what it was, its just annoying as fuck

    • Black_Hawk

      mlclearwater yeah kinda old news there lol

  • Ratzshite

    Anybody know anything about this Kevin Marshall kid (Marlies) ?

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      Ratzshite hes got a mean beard….and hes french canadian,….thats all I know. Apparently plays a physical punishing game…. He could be related to Leonidas from 300

      • Jantz

        Dangle_My_Berries Ratzshite Picked him up last season ( forget the Marlie that we gave up for him ) Solid AHL vet as DGB said above.
        Deschamps possibly ? Funny how quickly you forget about ex marlies like Caputi ETC who was at one time was in our top 5 list of prospects.

        • TOHockeyNut

          Jantz Dangle_My_Berries Ratzshite It was a trade for Deschamps. Eakins really thought highly of Marshall as a really dependable D. Eakins made a comment that he could be this years Fraser and surprise.

        • Jantz

          CanuckUKinToronto Jantz Dangle_My_Berries Ratzshite Very interesting and tough to properly evaluate, especially with not having seen Granberg play. He could be a real wildcard.
          I think by October it will be a little easier to rank once everyone has settled into a team whether it be Leafs, Marlies or Jr

      • Ratzshite

        Dangle_My_Berries Ratzshite Respect The Beard

  • skippysleafs

    For All the Clark fans…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e9wI5JxfqU

    • Jantz

      skippysleafs Awesome clip. 34 goals and he only finished 9th in Rookie scoring…… different era back them

  • Burtonboy

    Jacques Martin is now an assistant coach with the Pens. Hmmmmm Pens are going to play a trap now eh.

    • Robbies

      There is a curse that comes with him…….Pierre Gauthier

    • Burtonboy

      -Keon- Might be a reaction to getting their arses kicked by a defensive club like the Bruins . Guess the old run and gun is about to undergo a face lift

      • Jantz

        Burtonboy -Keon- Changes are definitely needed since they keep getting bounced after dominant regular seasons. Maybe Jacques can play net ?

      • Jmessih

        He will help with d-zone coverage, the pens didn’t know what they were doing in their own blue line, it was embarrassing to watch.

    • Ratzshite

      Burtonboy When the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Senators, a struggling expansion team with a very poor overall record, needed a new head coach in 1996 they hired Martin. Martin led the team to great regular season success (341–255–96), winning the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Division_(NHL) three times and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Trophy once. Martin was thrice nominated for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Adams_Award for top NHL coach and won it in 1999.
      Playoffs are his achilles heel

      • Jantz

        Ratzshite Burtonboy As for his playoff record….. that’s why we love him in T.O ………. when he is with the opposition.

      • Jantz

        -Keon- You misunderstood.
        Meaning he is not a good coach and we kick his ass at every opportunity

      • Ratzshite

        -Keon- i strongly dislike the Sens, you can say i hate them mofo’s

    • Black_Hawk

      Burtonboy not bad

    • http://i.imgur.com/MyKj5C3.gif ingy56

      Burtonboy Wait til he gets a load of Fleury, shades of Patrick Lalime.

  • Alec Brownscombe

    Points for trying, McCabe.
    http://youtu.be/LMWLFca67ng

    • Ratzshite

      Alec Brownscombe Mr. Can Opener

      • Alec Brownscombe

        Ratzshite Alec Brownscombe You could tell he was pissed at Chara and didn’t want to back down, but never really liked the idea of fighting him either. haha.

        • Mind Bomb

          Alec Brownscombe Ratzshite  HE is a real good Guy Alec, I helped export his personal effects back to Florida when he was traded. He Randomly phoned me in the spring, He was in Buffalo for a Game. He gave me 4 Tickets, row 5, Met me afterword, thank me gave me autograph got my picture taken with him, he totally did not have to do that, he is a nice guy

        • Jantz

          Mind Bomb Alec Brownscombe Ratzshite That gives  a little different perspective on him.

        • MLHS_Luke

          Mind Bomb Alec Brownscombe He definitely did get a bit of a raw deal towards the end there.  Hopefully a lesson to players on signing those big contracts..

        • Mind Bomb

          Jantz Mind Bomb Alec Brownscombe Ratzshite Aye Jantz, he was a good leaf and a good guy.

        • Mind Bomb

          MLHS_Luke Mind Bomb Alec Brownscombe Ha they will never learn, owners or players lol. Greed Kills

        • Alec Brownscombe

          Mind Bomb Jantz Alec Brownscombe Ratzshite Got the impression when I saw video of him walk up to chat with Matt Finn, congratulate and talk with him about getting drafted by the Leafs… seemed like a good guy.

        • Jantz

          Mind Bomb Jantz Alec Brownscombe Ratzshite  Like most people here, recent history with the Muskoka 5 sours our opinion. Lot’s of people probably forget that he was the 7th or 8th D man in Turin. I know it might has only happened because of Quinn…… nonetheless that team was awful.

        • Jmessih

          I Liked the guy, and its true he did do that when Finn was drafted. People get the wrong idea of him.
          Great story btw.

        • rustynail

          Jmessih 1st NMC ever I believe

        • Mind Bomb

          rustynail Jmessih  Theres a First lol

        • Jmessih

          rustynail Jmessih Yes I believe it was

        • Black_Hawk

          Alec Brownscombe Mind Bomb Jantz Ratzshite yeah he was finns favourite player i think

        • Black_Hawk

          rustynail Jmessih really? wow

        • Leafs rule

          Mind Bomb MLHS_Luke Alec Brownscombe Holy crap re greed kills .are u always so f in right ,lol

  • daveybolland

    TheCanucksnaphook Didn’t Ron Wilson ban it?

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      @daveybolland TheCanucksnaphook he banned it cause we couldn’t kill a penalty to save our lives…

      • mlclearwater

        TheCanucksnaphook Dangle_My_Berries Speaking of not giving a rats ass, where the fuck did Wilson go? Got fired and Houdini’d

      • Jmessih

        I’m sure he only banned it during training camp (understandable) I really don’t remember him banning it during the season.

      • Jmessih

        He was an assistain coach in the A last year, not sure about this up coming year tho

      • mlclearwater

        Jmessih Wilson was????

      • rustynail

        mlclearwater Jmessih not our RW

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        mlclearwater TheCanucksnaphook Dangle_My_Berries resurfaced at the Spengler Cup years back and never seen of again.

      • Jantz

        Jmessih Really…. I never heard that.

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        TheCanucksnaphook Dangle_My_Berries oh I agree it was awful but the reasoning behind it wasnt cause he didnt like fighting lol, its cause he was afraid of the goals against that would result from having to kill a penalty due to fighting lol…..kinda funny actually, talk about trying to tip toe around a problem..

      • rustynail

        Dangle_My_Berries TheCanucksnaphook I call Shenanigans. Fighting is almost always offsetting so no PK required

      • Dangle_My_Berries

        rustynail Dangle_My_Berries TheCanucksnaphook thats true, who knows then. I think Alec and the boys need to track down Wilson and set up a Q and A…if they managed to get that done then the site would have effectively won the internet

      • Jmessih

        mlclearwater Jmessih Yup

  • mlclearwater

    -Keon- I know how i’ll be spending my afternoon, thanks Davey

  • rustynail

    TheCanucksnaphook most embarassing night ever as  a Leaf, Tucker vs the entire Sens team.

    • rustynail

      TheCanucksnaphook rustynail with no help at all that game. Pissed me off beyond belief

    • rustynail

      TheCanucksnaphook rustynail him I loved the rest of his team not so much that night.

  • .JVR.

    Thanks for posting a link to the MLHS Keeper League on ESPN and for anybody who missed it, here it is again:
    http://games.espn.go.com/fhl/leagueoffice?leagueId=7209&seasonId=2014

    • Pent_House

      .JVR. How did my team get raped? I lost all my stars wtf. I had them all on Keeper.

  • .JVR.

    Speaking of the MLHS Keeper Leauge on ESPN, William Maple Leafs pointed out that all players on their now only have single position eligibility and JVR is listed as a C, which got me thinking of the possibilities:

    Lupul   –   JVR   –   Kessel
    Kulemin   –   Kadri   –   Clarkson
    Colborne   –   Bolland   –   Bozak
    McLaren   –   McClement   –   Orr

    • skiingallday

      .JVR. when they changed that it really irked me since apparently I don’t have any RW’s now

  • Xxxxxnew

    My favourite goal

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PS6S85g8Xs

    • Mcost61

      Xxxxxnew Defense 101: Throw the puck at your own net

  • Mitch_S2

    Didn’t realize Chris Gibson was a 2nd round pick, and the 3rd
    goaltender overall from the 2011 draft, why did LA give up on him so
    soon?

    • Dangle_My_Berries

      Mitch_S2 Quick….lol

      • Black_Hawk

        Dangle_My_Berries Mitch_S2 yeah pretty much

        • Dangle_My_Berries

          Black_Hawk Dangle_My_Berries Mitch_S2 The LA kings, Toronto’s new goalie factory….Quicks rise to prominence seems to really helping us out

        • Black_Hawk

          Dangle_My_Berries Black_Hawk Mitch_S2 yeah looks like it

  • thelongroad

    Good morning all, does anyone know if you need a tv provider to order game center live or can you purchase it direct if you use an anntena for you tv service.

    • ConnorCrisp

      Gamecentre live uses an Internet connection.. It’s not really a TV service.. You can view it on your tv throug a PS3 or other console, or you can connect your computer to your tv in a variety of ways (HDMI, AirPlay, chrome cast etc) you can also view the content on your phone or tablet.

      • dlb eh

        ConnorCrisp 
        how much

        • ConnorCrisp

          dlb eh ConnorCrisp I think its gonna be in the $150 – $175 range this year. If you live in the GTA, make sure you also use a DNS redirect service like Unblockus.com ($3 a month) to convince the NHL that you are actually viewing the content from Hawaii or HongKong etc to get around the media blackout

        • wiski

          ConnorCrisp dlb eh Hockey streams is better and I use this https://mediahint.com/ for hulu and pandora it’s free.

        • ConnorCrisp

          wiski ConnorCrisp dlb eh does hockeystreams have a native PS3 application now, or do you still need to serve it through a computer?

        • wiski

          ConnorCrisp wiski dlb eh I do game center through a computer the PS3 app sucks.

        • ConnorCrisp

          wiski ConnorCrisp dlb eh it works alright, just a little clunky when shuttling. The iPad and phone apps are pretty good, at least last seasons iterations.

        • ConnorCrisp

          wiski ConnorCrisp dlb eh you have to use that as an extension in chrome or firefox right? How does it handle mobile/tablet/stand alone ps3? Unblockus changes your DNS at the router level so all of your devices regardless of platform can use it.
          $3 a month is worth it for US netflix via PS3, iPad, iPhone (anything outside of a firefox or chrome browser) imo

        • wiski

          ConnorCrisp wiski dlb eh I use mediahint in chrome the problem for me with unblockus is that it’s blocked at work. lol

        • ConnorCrisp

          wiski ConnorCrisp dlb eh haha how ironic hehe

        • wiski

          ConnorCrisp wiski dlb eh Also hockey streams has no black outs so no need for unblockus, and you get ahl and ohl games as well. The new chromecast dongle will make wireless streaming much simpler for everyone. all for half the price of game center.

        • wiski

          ConnorCrisp wiski dlb eh I was pissed. lol

        • ConnorCrisp

          wiski ConnorCrisp dlb eh have you used hockeystreams on an ipad or iphone? Is it HTML 5? Im really on the fence this year between Gamecentre and Hockey streams

        • wiski

          ConnorCrisp wiski dlb eh You can check their web site for the answer to that, I’m an android guy. 😉

      • Dink

        ConnorCrisp buy a roku  … you can use that

        • Dink

          ConnorCrisp still need internet though

        • ConnorCrisp

          @Dink ConnorCrisp Yeap! But even on a crappy connection its pretty good.. the image scales to the speed of the system dynamically so you can watch it even on an 800kbps download speed which is retarded slow

        • ConnorCrisp

          Murph2417 ConnorCrisp ouch! I think it can still stream something out of a 300kbps but yeah the image quality would  postage stamp size

  • Pent_House

    .JVR. 
    Is the ESPN keeper league mentioned our regular league?

    • Mind Bomb

      Pent_House .JVR.  Just sent you a trade PH, A gift :)

      • Pent_House

        Mind Bomb Pent_House .JVR. I’ll check this attempted rape shortly lol

        • Mind Bomb

          Pent_House Mind Bomb .JVR. Hahahah

      • Pent_House

        Mind Bomb Pent_House .JVR. I hope JVR changes the draft time, it’s right during a pre-season game against the Red Wings.

        • skiingallday

          Pent_House Mind Bomb .JVR. for the keeper league? 
          /JVR picked up all the latest draftees, what a smart and sneaky move considering he was the one that activated the league.

        • .JVR.

          Pent_House
          I will do that, just had to put in a preliminary date and time and I activated the pool before the pre-season schedule was announced.
          When the time gets nearer, I will post a message asking what day works best for everybody and pick the one the works for the most people.

        • .JVR.

          skiingallday
          If you read the LM message, you’d see that I did that not for my own benefit, but so nobody else could pick them up and they’d go into the draft like they should.

        • Pent_House

          .JVR. skiingallday So does that mean I have to give Monahan back? lol

        • skiingallday

          .JVR. skiingallday ahhh ok, I wasn’t mad, that’s a great idea tho.

        • skiingallday

          .JVR. Pent_House make sure it’s later in the day too because of work/school. And preferably not a Monday.

        • .JVR.

          Pent_House .JVR. skiingallday I don’t foresee him ever being a huge offensive threat, let alone in his rookie year, so if you wanna waste a keeper on him, go right ahead.

      • Pent_House

        Mind Bomb Pent_House .JVR. MB if you can replace Richards with Seabrook I’d do the trade. I don’t really need a C, I got 4 of 5 of em already.

        • Mind Bomb

          Pent_House Mind Bomb .JVR.  Alright Bro I can do that.

        • Mind Bomb

          Pent_House Mind Bomb .JVR.  Sent revised Offer bro.

        • Pent_House

          Mind Bomb Pent_House .JVR. Ok I’ll check it now, just got back in.

  • Black_Hawk

    those fights are awesome

  • Alec Brownscombe

    I absolutely love these type of fights. I’d watch them over two enforcers dropping ’em, wrecking their brains to fight a pointless, scripted battle, every day of the week. 
    For me, these are the evidence of why fighting should always have it’s place in the game. In the case of Kessel, McCabe, Sundin and White, it’s two players doing battle and things getting heated to the point where the two decide to drop the gloves and settle it. No dirty stickwork, no waiting till later to get in a filthy head shot or hit from behind, just two players pushing each other over the edge and then settling it. I’d hate to see the game and what could become of it if the players didn’t have this outlet.

    • Black_Hawk

      Alec Brownscombe yeah they are pretty awesome

    • Pent_House

      Alec Brownscombe I liked all those fights except the White fight. I thought he was being a big bitch. Giving Kovalchuk a headshot then running him from behind while interfering at the same time. Not a fan of that. The Kess fight was the best lol

      • Black_Hawk

        Pent_House Alec Brownscombe yeah kess gave it his all and got the takedown

        • MaxwellHowe

          Black_Hawk Pent_House Alec Brownscombe I think he had an inclination to drop them with Marchand in the playoffs, but figured his presence on the ice was worth more than breaking that prick’s big nose.  Must habve been a difficult choice to make.

        • Black_Hawk

          MaxwellHowe Black_Hawk Pent_House Alec Brownscombe yeah it was though. he was our best player